http://www.maladidaho.org/one_man_2_headstones.htm Must have just been his leg buried there. Vicki

That's what I'm thinking also. We had a little cousin in 1932 that died and his certificate says "Accidental poisoning by Aspirin", so anything that says "Homicidal" means they think it was intentional. Marylee Knight wrote: > If the doctor or coroner had believed that the child had accidentally ingested the poison, it would have been noted on the death certificate as accidental. However, by the use of the word "homocidal" the person signing the death certificate clearly believed that the child was murdered. > > --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Kimberly Carrillo <kimm@leadmarket.com> wrote: > > > From: Kimberly Carrillo <kimm@leadmarket.com> > Subject: [TXGEN] Homicide > To: txgen@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 3:21 PM > > > Okay, I have a weird question. My mother's brother died when he was 4 years > old and I am just now looking at his death certificate. He died of food > poisoning, but the certificate says "strychnine poisoning - homicidal". > This is the first I have ever heard of this. Was that a different way that > they called food poisoning at that time? This would have been 1927 in La > Grange, TX. > > Thanks, > Kimm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Kimm, Homicide would have meant there was an investigation into his death. You may be able to obtain the coroner/medical examiner's records, also check the local newspapers during that time for details. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimberly Carrillo" <kimm@leadmarket.com> To: <txgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 3:21 PM Subject: [TXGEN] Homicide > Okay, I have a weird question. My mother's brother died when he was 4 > years > old and I am just now looking at his death certificate. He died of food > poisoning, but the certificate says "strychnine poisoning - homicidal". > This is the first I have ever heard of this. Was that a different way > that > they called food poisoning at that time? This would have been 1927 in La > Grange, TX. > > Thanks, > Kimm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Sounds homicidal to me. You should check the newspapers or court records of that place and time, and see if there were any criminal procedings. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Inge" <wolfhuntress2002@yahoo.com> To: <txgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [TXGEN] Homicide Peggy you are correct in that it is rat poison. Robin R Inge "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the number of moments that take our breath away" ________________________________ From: Peggy <findingfamily@gmail.com> To: txgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2009 3:27:57 PM Subject: Re: [TXGEN] Homicide I believe Strychnine is rat poison. If they are calling it a homicide, then it means that he didn't accidentally ingest it, it was put in the food. Kimberly Carrillo wrote: > Okay, I have a weird question. My mother's brother died when he was 4 > years > old and I am just now looking at his death certificate. He died of food > poisoning, but the certificate says "strychnine poisoning - homicidal". > This is the first I have ever heard of this. Was that a different way that > they called food poisoning at that time? This would have been 1927 in La > Grange, TX. > > Thanks, > Kimm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I believe Strychnine is rat poison. If they are calling it a homicide, then it means that he didn't accidentally ingest it, it was put in the food. Kimberly Carrillo wrote: > Okay, I have a weird question. My mother's brother died when he was 4 years > old and I am just now looking at his death certificate. He died of food > poisoning, but the certificate says "strychnine poisoning - homicidal". > This is the first I have ever heard of this. Was that a different way that > they called food poisoning at that time? This would have been 1927 in La > Grange, TX. > > Thanks, > Kimm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Maybe it's considered accidental homicide if someone doesn't decease of natural causes? Joe -----Original Message----- From: txgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:txgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kimberly Carrillo Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 3:22 PM To: txgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [TXGEN] Homicide Okay, I have a weird question. My mother's brother died when he was 4 years old and I am just now looking at his death certificate. He died of food poisoning, but the certificate says "strychnine poisoning - homicidal". This is the first I have ever heard of this. Was that a different way that they called food poisoning at that time? This would have been 1927 in La Grange, TX. Thanks, Kimm

Okay, I have a weird question. My mother's brother died when he was 4 years old and I am just now looking at his death certificate. He died of food poisoning, but the certificate says "strychnine poisoning - homicidal". This is the first I have ever heard of this. Was that a different way that they called food poisoning at that time? This would have been 1927 in La Grange, TX. Thanks, Kimm

Elaine If Charley was decended from the Cleavland line, I have this story. I forget the lands involved but here goes... War for the Vikings had not been going too well. Now this one Viking has just been in battle and had his leg cut off. [we will call him Olaf]  So as their boats was approching another land the one in charge yelled  "I will give rulership to the first man that puts his foot on land".  As the boats drew near the land Olaf took his leg and threw it on the beach. He was given the rulership. The Cleaveland crest shows an arm throwing a leg. Dorris ________________________________ From: Elaine Martin <mcstumped@suddenlink.net> To: txgen <txgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2009 9:59:44 AM Subject: [TXGEN] Tombstone Meaning Ok......who has an idea of what this one means.  First one like this I have ever seen. http://www.txgenes.com/TXUpshur/art/Cemeteries/SimpsonvilleCem/CouchCharlie_Leg.jpg Thanks! Elaine -- If you look like your passport picture, you probably need the trip. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Elaine, He would not necessarily have died to have lost a leg. He may have been diabetic and lost a limb to circulatory problems and they had to amputate. He may have been involved in a car accident which was not fatal...but his leg could not be saved. I had a friend who lost his hand 35 years before he died. They couldn't bury the rest of him because the rest of him was still living! There is at least one tombstone in Fannin county where it is noted that a limb is all that is buried. I forget now which limb it was...but it was spelled out on the stone so we were not guessing as in this case. On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Elaine Martin <mcstumped@suddenlink.net>wrote: > In 1920 he is still single and living with his father J F who is a > physician. His occupation is listed as none. > > In 1930 he is married with 2 children, one being the Billy he is on the > double tombstone with. > > What has me puzzled is why the 2 stones. Is the one with the leg on it > the came Charlie as the one on the double stone? It is impossible to > know for sure since the stone with the leg on it has no dates. > > Then the added puzzle of the leg........and my first and last instinct > is that the leg is all they had to bury originally. Which would then > raise the next question of how did he die and how did they eventually > recover more to need to bury him beside his son Billy, thus the double > headstone. > > Elaine > > Suzie Henderson wrote: > > The only Charlie Couch listed in Upshur county is a Charlie C. who shows > in > > 1930 list as a stockman. He is buried with a different marker at the same > > cemetery showing that he died in 1958. He is listed on the same stone > with > > his son, Billy. > > > > The possibility that it is only a limb buried under this marker, gets > > stronger. It would be interesting to know if the stones were in close > > proximity. > > > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Elaine Martin <mcstumped@suddenlink.net > >wrote: > > > > > >> Ok......who has an idea of what this one means. First one like this I > >> have ever seen. > >> > >> > >> > http://www.txgenes.com/TXUpshur/art/Cemeteries/SimpsonvilleCem/CouchCharlie_Leg.jpg > >> > >> Thanks! > >> Elaine > >> > >> -- > >> If you look like your passport picture, you probably need the trip. > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > If you look like your passport picture, you probably need the trip. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Maybe he was a runner. Wanda Qualls Matthew 5 - 7 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine Martin" <mcstumped@suddenlink.net> To: "txgen" <txgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: [TXGEN] Tombstone Meaning > Ok......who has an idea of what this one means. First one like this I > have ever seen. > > http://www.txgenes.com/TXUpshur/art/Cemeteries/SimpsonvilleCem/CouchCharlie_Leg.jpg > > Thanks! > Elaine > > -- > If you look like your passport picture, you probably need the trip. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

If the doctor or coroner had believed that the child had accidentally ingested the poison, it would have been noted on the death certificate as accidental.  However, by the use of the word "homocidal" the person signing the death certificate clearly believed that the child was murdered. --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Kimberly Carrillo <kimm@leadmarket.com> wrote: From: Kimberly Carrillo <kimm@leadmarket.com> Subject: [TXGEN] Homicide To: txgen@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 3:21 PM Okay, I have a weird question.  My mother's brother died when he was 4 years old and I am just now looking at his death certificate.  He died of food poisoning, but the certificate says "strychnine poisoning - homicidal". This is the first I have ever heard of this.  Was that a different way that they called food poisoning at that time?  This would have been 1927 in La Grange, TX. Thanks, Kimm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have now found the Charlie C Couch death certificate. He was in the grocery business in Simpsonville, TX. He was sick for 16 days with heart trouble and died from heart problems. No mention of a leg. He was creamated. So, here is my guess. He lost a leg in some accident and it was buried with the marker erected. Charlie died and was creamated, maybe buried, maybe not. Then when his son died the family put up a double marker to also show Charlie's stats. Will probably never know for sure, but that is what it is looking like at this point. Elaine Suzie Henderson wrote: > The only Charlie Couch listed in Upshur county is a Charlie C. who shows in > 1930 list as a stockman. He is buried with a different marker at the same > cemetery showing that he died in 1958. He is listed on the same stone with > his son, Billy. > > The possibility that it is only a limb buried under this marker, gets > stronger. It would be interesting to know if the stones were in close > proximity. > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Elaine Martin <mcstumped@suddenlink.net>wrote: > > >> Ok......who has an idea of what this one means. First one like this I >> have ever seen. >> >> >> http://www.txgenes.com/TXUpshur/art/Cemeteries/SimpsonvilleCem/CouchCharlie_Leg.jpg >> >> Thanks! >> Elaine >> >> -- >> If you look like your passport picture, you probably need the trip. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- If you look like your passport picture, you probably need the trip.

In 1920 he is still single and living with his father J F who is a physician. His occupation is listed as none. In 1930 he is married with 2 children, one being the Billy he is on the double tombstone with. What has me puzzled is why the 2 stones. Is the one with the leg on it the came Charlie as the one on the double stone? It is impossible to know for sure since the stone with the leg on it has no dates. Then the added puzzle of the leg........and my first and last instinct is that the leg is all they had to bury originally. Which would then raise the next question of how did he die and how did they eventually recover more to need to bury him beside his son Billy, thus the double headstone. Elaine Suzie Henderson wrote: > The only Charlie Couch listed in Upshur county is a Charlie C. who shows in > 1930 list as a stockman. He is buried with a different marker at the same > cemetery showing that he died in 1958. He is listed on the same stone with > his son, Billy. > > The possibility that it is only a limb buried under this marker, gets > stronger. It would be interesting to know if the stones were in close > proximity. > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Elaine Martin <mcstumped@suddenlink.net>wrote: > > >> Ok......who has an idea of what this one means. First one like this I >> have ever seen. >> >> >> http://www.txgenes.com/TXUpshur/art/Cemeteries/SimpsonvilleCem/CouchCharlie_Leg.jpg >> >> Thanks! >> Elaine >> >> -- >> If you look like your passport picture, you probably need the trip. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- If you look like your passport picture, you probably need the trip.

Peggy you are correct in that it is rat poison. Robin R Inge "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the number of moments that take our breath away"     ________________________________ From: Peggy <findingfamily@gmail.com> To: txgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2009 3:27:57 PM Subject: Re: [TXGEN] Homicide I believe Strychnine is rat poison. If they are calling it a homicide, then it means that he didn't accidentally ingest it, it was put in the food. Kimberly Carrillo wrote: > Okay, I have a weird question.  My mother's brother died when he was 4 years > old and I am just now looking at his death certificate.  He died of food > poisoning, but the certificate says "strychnine poisoning - homicidal". > This is the first I have ever heard of this.  Was that a different way that > they called food poisoning at that time?  This would have been 1927 in La > Grange, TX. >  > Thanks, > Kimm >  > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >  ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The only Charlie Couch listed in Upshur county is a Charlie C. who shows in 1930 list as a stockman. He is buried with a different marker at the same cemetery showing that he died in 1958. He is listed on the same stone with his son, Billy. The possibility that it is only a limb buried under this marker, gets stronger. It would be interesting to know if the stones were in close proximity. On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Elaine Martin <mcstumped@suddenlink.net>wrote: > Ok......who has an idea of what this one means. First one like this I > have ever seen. > > > http://www.txgenes.com/TXUpshur/art/Cemeteries/SimpsonvilleCem/CouchCharlie_Leg.jpg > > Thanks! > Elaine > > -- > If you look like your passport picture, you probably need the trip. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Actually that thought did cross my mind, but I didn't think anyone would actually put that on a stone. LOL Gina Heffernan wrote: > Someone is dancing on his grave? > > > Gina Heffernan > Rusk Co, Texas > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Elaine Martin <mcstumped@suddenlink.net> > To: txgen <txgen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2009 11:59:44 AM > Subject: [TXGEN] Tombstone Meaning > > Ok......who has an idea of what this one means. First one like this I > have ever seen. > > http://www.txgenes.com/TXUpshur/art/Cemeteries/SimpsonvilleCem/CouchCharlie_Leg.jpg > > Thanks! > Elaine > > -- If you look like your passport picture, you probably need the trip.

As far back as I can follow him on the census, he was a farmer. No mention of blacksmith at all. He is a farmer at age 24 through age 66 on every census. Elaine Suzie Henderson wrote: > Without the footstone balanced on top, it does appear to be an anvil. > > Perhaps he enjoyed being a blacksmith or ferrier for himself and his > neighbors, but for several census years, he is listed as a farmer with no > mention of a trade requiring an anvil. > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Elaine Martin <mcstumped@suddenlink.net>wrote: > > >> At first I thought this one was an anvil, but after looking at it >> closer, I am not sure. And if it is, does it mean he was a blacksmith? >> >> http://www.txgenes.com/TXUpshur/art/Cemeteries/SimpsonvilleCem/BrownWR2.jpg >> >> Elaine >> >> -- >> If you look like your passport picture, you probably need the trip. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- If you look like your passport picture, you probably need the trip.

Without the footstone balanced on top, it does appear to be an anvil. Perhaps he enjoyed being a blacksmith or ferrier for himself and his neighbors, but for several census years, he is listed as a farmer with no mention of a trade requiring an anvil. On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Elaine Martin <mcstumped@suddenlink.net>wrote: > At first I thought this one was an anvil, but after looking at it > closer, I am not sure. And if it is, does it mean he was a blacksmith? > > http://www.txgenes.com/TXUpshur/art/Cemeteries/SimpsonvilleCem/BrownWR2.jpg > > Elaine > > -- > If you look like your passport picture, you probably need the trip. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Perhaps Charlie is an amputee?...and only his leg is buried here? On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Elaine Martin <mcstumped@suddenlink.net>wrote: > Ok......who has an idea of what this one means. First one like this I > have ever seen. > > > http://www.txgenes.com/TXUpshur/art/Cemeteries/SimpsonvilleCem/CouchCharlie_Leg.jpg > > Thanks! > Elaine > > -- > If you look like your passport picture, you probably need the trip. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >