Good News, The owner of the property has been located in Lewisville, TX. Judy Turpin has made the the first call to the owners. She said the lady said she had been wondering about the family buried there. They had even been putting flowers on some of the graves. The land is leased at the present time. So that puts another person in this. But, we do have his name. Susan, thank you for posting the statue. We do intend to abide by the law. I know that this cemetery is on a road off the highway. I want to thank everyone for their help and encouragement. Now, if we can get the decendants together on this, we will get it going. Thank you, Pat

would MARY ANN KINCAID MURRAY please contact me [ iwnet@webtv.net ] My husband is the great grand son of Alexander jackson Kincaid=would like to compare and share info==imogene welch

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: KINCAID Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/1hB.2ACE/267.1.1 Message Board Post: My husband's grandfather JOHN MARCUS KINCAID was half brother to GEORGE A. KINCAID. be glad to share info=imogene

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I'm afraid they don't have that law here in Texas. They do have a law that allows a county judge to authorize expenditures within a city or county if they so choose. But of course Fannin Co. will not be able to because right now they cannot even replace the bridges that were washed out a year ago. It is only optional to the county. A city also can authorize funds but they rarely do. Occasionally Inglish cemetery gets mowed but that's about it. I wish they would require the surrounding land owners to keep the cemetery decent and fenced and marked out on the road nearest to it. I don't know how a law could be passed doing so though. THere is a new law that allows papers to be filed on any 'abandoned' or discovered cemetery anywhere in a county. You can take down the location ( I suggest using a global positioning device ,many fishermen have them as do fire dept's etc) so it can't be lost and file the papers with the county clerks office on their location and description. They are required to make these available along with any deed or land papers it is connected with in the future. It is the first move Texas has made since passing laws about vandalizm. We are behind in a lot of ways. Susan Linda Baker wrote: > > I got this on another list and thought it was interesting and may be helpful > to some. > Linda > > 36-72-1: > > The care accorded the remains of deceased persons reflects respect and > regard > for human dignity as well as cultural, spiritual, and religious values. The > General Assembly declares that human remains and burial objects are not > property to be owned by the person or entity which owns the land or water > where the human remains and burial objects are interred or discovered, but > human remains and burial objects are a part of the finite, irreplaceable, > and > nonrenewable cultural heritage of the people of Georgia which should be > protected. > > 36-72-3: > > Counties, anywhere within the county boundaries, and municipalities, > anywhere > within the municipal boundaries, are authorized, jointly and severally, to > preserve and protect any abandoned cemetery or any burial ground which the > county or municipality determines has been abandoned or is not being > maintained by the person who is legally responsible for its upkeep, whether > or not that person is financially capable of doing so, to expend public > money > in connection therewith, to provide for reimbursement of such funds by > billing any legally responsible person or levying upon any of his property > as > authorized by local ordinance, and to exercise the power of eminent domain > to > acquire any interest in land necessary for that purpose. > > I found this through SavingGraves.com > > Stephanie

----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Swindell" <sss@texoma.net> To: <TXHUNT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 5:14 AM Subject: [TXHUNT-L] Buy You a Home > >From "The Greenville Independent," 1873: > > Buy You A Home > 160 acres of black sandy prairie, 70 acres under a good fence, a good young orchard of all kinds of fruit, good well water, comfortable dwelling and 45 acres of good timbered land, good Schools and Churches, convenient. Situated near White Rock, Hunt County, Texas. Title good. Call Dr. D. J. Jernigan, the owner of said farm, or Jim Farr. > 160 acres of the best quality of black sandy land, 50 acres under good fence and hedge, two comfortable dwellings, plenty of timber, fruit of all kinds, three living wells of water, near Harrell's Camp Ground, Hunt County, Texas, title good. Apply to D. M. Brougher, the owner of said farm, or Jim Farr. > 250 acres of best quality of black sandy land, situated near Lankford's Bridge, on South Sulphur. South ___ ten miles east of Greenville, Hunt County, Texas. 100 acres under fence abundance of good timber, good well of water. Peach orchard, three dwelling houses, title good. Apply to Thomas M. Kimball, the owner of said farm, or Jim Farr. > > > ==== TXHUNT Mailing List ==== > Do you have family information to submit? Contact the county coordinator > at vpltz@peoplescom.net >

I got this on another list and thought it was interesting and may be helpful to some. Linda 36-72-1: The care accorded the remains of deceased persons reflects respect and regard for human dignity as well as cultural, spiritual, and religious values. The General Assembly declares that human remains and burial objects are not property to be owned by the person or entity which owns the land or water where the human remains and burial objects are interred or discovered, but human remains and burial objects are a part of the finite, irreplaceable, and nonrenewable cultural heritage of the people of Georgia which should be protected. 36-72-3: Counties, anywhere within the county boundaries, and municipalities, anywhere within the municipal boundaries, are authorized, jointly and severally, to preserve and protect any abandoned cemetery or any burial ground which the county or municipality determines has been abandoned or is not being maintained by the person who is legally responsible for its upkeep, whether or not that person is financially capable of doing so, to expend public money in connection therewith, to provide for reimbursement of such funds by billing any legally responsible person or levying upon any of his property as authorized by local ordinance, and to exercise the power of eminent domain to acquire any interest in land necessary for that purpose. I found this through SavingGraves.com Stephanie

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: VERMILLION Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/1hB.2ACE/1455 Message Board Post: I would like to exchange information on Jesse and Minnie M. VERMILLION buried at Sandy Creek Cemetery in Fannin Co. Thank You

Apparently, I accidently deleted the message about Allie Viola Ward and her brother Jessie. This is my family and I will be happy to tell you what I know about them. Carolyn in Oklahoma csclark01@msn.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/1hB.2ACE/929.2.1 Message Board Post: Jerri--I am going to send you an email message. I do have information.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/1hB.2ACE/1390.1 Message Board Post: Hello, I believe the Mary Polly Davis you are looking for is buried in an unmarked grave in the Lee Family Cemetery located in Hunt County....a site you might be interested in is www.rootsweb.com/~txfannin/ceme-boblee please contact me - with any info you might have

health and Safety Code SUBTITLE C. CEMETERIES CHAPTER 711. GENERAL PROVISIONS RELATING TO CEMETERIES Subchapter A. § 711.041. Access to Cemetery (a) Any person who wishes to visit a cemetery or private burial grounds for which no public ingress or egress is available shall have the right to reasonable ingress and egress for the purpose of visiting the cemetery or private burial grounds. This right of access extends only to visitation during reasonable hours and only for purposes usually associated with cemetery visits. (b) The owner or owners of the lands surrounding the cemetery or private burial grounds may designate the routes of reasonable ingress and egress. Added by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 634, § 22, eff. Sept. 1, 1993. -------------------------my notes The key to this law is reasonable . If you determine the shortest least bothersome route that is reasonable. They cannot make you go great distances if a car can make it . Also the Handicapped have the right of access that is provident to give such as being able to take a gator to drive one in or drive through a pasture-so long as you are careful and do not damage anything. Also the owner of the property cannot block you from coming in, they must provide a number or way to get permission if they want you to be able to ask. If no owner is evident ( you can't find one , or their number or a house that seems to be an owner) then they have not provided the normal means to make it easy to get their opinion on which route to go in by. They 'may designate' the route, this is best by posting signs on the easiest route. You may go in to a cemetery at any time but chances are a Judge will side with a property owner that midnight is not reasonable. Nor is everyday visiting perhaps if it is bothersome. However if it is a Mexican decendant visiting a grave it is 'reasonable ' to eat and place food on the grave once a year, or for a group of family reunion visitors to all go to the cemetery for prayer and visit, or for items to be placed on the grave without removing. The land owner NEVER has the right to alter the graves or cemetery land unles it is to do so in a reasonable manner, which means to clean and repair it. The property owner ( and by that I mean surrounding , no one can OWN a cemetery it is covered under landmark useage and not able to be owned, though the upkeep can be owned such as in a commercial cemetery) is not responsible to build or keep a fence though at the same time he can be sued for allowing his cattle to destroy a tombstone. You would have to prove damage by THEIR cattle and not time and other cattle before theirs. A fence may be erected by anyone wanting to fence the cemetery , however they NEVER have the right to fence it so no one may visit the cemetery in a reasonalbe manner. The people in Bonham have broken this by their fencing of the Russell cemetery . They did not include a gate. So the fence is such you cannot visit it without climbing a fence. I cannot do that and need someone to climb it. The Russell decendants ought to have them either remove the fence or cut a gate. The owners of that property either need to post hours of visitation on their main gate or else leave the gate to the property open at all times. But there is no excuse for the gateless cemetery. The laws are based on what is resonable usage. For instense this past month I dealt with an irate land owner in south texas. she insisted she owned the property and after proving she cannot own a cemetery but lost control of it when a burial first took place she was angry someone stood on her land to take a picture of the cemetery in its little fence. The person going in to photograph it took a picture of the cemetery on the way in . That is reasonable use of a cemetery visit. So it is covered under the law. You can show a judge thousands of such pictures, it is a common practice. It is common to place flowers on the grave and not expect them to be removed (UNless you contract for that by burial in a cemetery with a law in its charter already). You also have the right to ornament a cemetery and place a bench there, that is reasonable use and common. You would not have the right to construct a pyramid for instance in this country and therefor not average resonable usesage . You have the right to bury a spouse by their spouse, even if 70 yrs between their passing. No matter what the surrounding land owner wants. It would however be unreasonable to open a new section and take on a few acres for new family graves.However if the cemetery is spread out, you can bury within the current boundaries, that includes the right to bring in digging equipment and a funeral procession. You can only do what is considered reasonable. Have your plan in mind , laws in hand and you can protect yourself from silly law men. I am amazed at how stupid they can be. Don't hesitate to contact a county judge if you are having trouble with a surrounding land owner or a sheriff. They do not have the right to stop you , but you have to know right where you stand in the law. Susan in Texas

You by chance know if there is a list of the "Civil War veterans" that are buried in this cemetery? Thanks, Karen -----Original Message----- From: tabearc@msn.com <tabearc@msn.com> To: TXFANNIN-L@rootsweb.com <TXFANNIN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, August 18, 2002 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [TXFANNIN-L] White Family Cemetary >Susan: > >I totally agree with Pat. The state of the cemetaries in both Grayson and Fannin is a disgrace. >My Great Grandparents are buried in Greenwood Cemetery just south of Savoy and the brush >and overgrowth is so intense that I lost my glasses in it in June. My GGrandfather is a Civil >War veteran (having fought for the Texas 9th Infantry from the beginning until the end of the >war when he was released as a prisoner of war at Meridian Mississippi). There are numerous >other veterans from the Civil War buried there and there is a Special Civil War Marker inside >the Cemetery. > >The land was donated to Savoy by Col Langner (Jenkins descendent) who is retired military >and too old to take care of it. Cindy Page (BellsTx web page) recommended we ask the >Bonham prison warden to bring the prisoners out and have them do the clean up on these. >I fully support this action and am ready to do whatever is necessary to get this thing >organized. > >I will gladly approach the warden with this project with support and organization. We need >to know which cemeteries are in need and the extent of clearing out, their exact locations, >size, the estimated time, etc. This could become a big project that could reap the Warden >and his prisoners some accolades among the community with some good press coverage, >but achieve the desired results we are seeking. > >If interested, I'll be glad to do whatever I can. I've handled many projects in the past and >dealt with the press on numerous occasions, so this is a very familiar area for me. Have >anyone interested contact me and we'll get this project going. > >Jan Good >tabearc@msn.com > > >----- Original Message ----- >Wrom: YCGPKYL >Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 11:04 AM >To: TXFANNIN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [TXFANNIN-L] White Family Cemetary > >although you may have to explain it to the landowner, no one can stop >someone from visiting a cemetery in Texas. It doesn't' matter who owns >the land around it. Anyone can make 'reasonable' access to the cemetery >for visiting. If anyone needs the laws and the statutes to keep I can >send them . >It is frustrating how many landowners don't understand this but they >need to be informed. NO land owner can change the fact the cemetery has >precedence over their usage of the land. >susan > >PHa2221@aol.com wrote: >> >> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >> >> Surnames: Paternal lines Moore, Burrell, White, Daugherty, Davis, Clack >> Classification: Query >> >> Message Board URL: >> >> http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/1hB.2ACE/1452 >> >> Message Board Post: >> >> Is there a way for decendants to be able to get to this cemetery. My Dad wanted to go to it one last time. But was unable to do so. I couldn't get his wheel chair through the dirt and barbed wire. >> >> That was a very sad moment for both of us. He has since passed away. I would like to be able to get there before all the markers are gone or destroyed but need someone to direct us decendants to the owner of the property and how we go about getting permission to cross into land that has been fenced to get to a cemetary that needs help before it is completely destroyed. >> >> Would appreciate all the help we can get. Oh by the way, the only sign I saw was "Goats for sale". >> >> Please someone help us. >> >> Pat >> >> ==== TXFANNIN Mailing List ==== >> Genealogists are time unravelers. > > >==== TXFANNIN Mailing List ==== >Genealogists are time unravelers. > > >==== TXFANNIN Mailing List ==== >So many dead men! So little time! >

trish -- There is no one in TX in 1880 with the name Lendeman. Robert Lynn Taylor

trish -- I check in the LDS 1880 Census and there is no JLC Breed (or any of the given names); there is also no Amelia/Permelia Lenderman in the 1880 Census, TX, or elsewhere. There are no Breed s in Fannin CO, TX in 1880. There is only ONE Lenderman family in TX in 1880: 1880 Census Place: Precinct 3, Houston, Texas Source: FHL Film 1255312 National Archives Film T9-1312 Page 311C Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Hiram LENDERMAN Self M M W 32 NC Occ: Farmer Fa: VA Mo: VA Nancy A. LENDERMAN Wife F M W 32 MS Occ: Keeping House Fa: --- Mo: --- William E. LENDERMAN Son M S W 5 TX Occ: At Home Fa: NC Mo: MS Edgah LENDERMAN Son M S W 2 TX Occ: At Home Fa: NC Mo: MS Oscar LENDERMAN Son M S W 1 TX Occ: At Home Fa: NC Mo: MS Drucilla MCCOMB SDau F S W 11 TX Occ: At Home Fa: AL Mo: MS Amelia/Permelia may have been part of this family. Otherwise, she probably was not living in TX in 1880. Hope that this helps. Robert Lynn TAylor

Old Pilot Grove Cemetery:: I have asked this before, but I've had a serious computer crash and lost my information. My GGGGrandfather Rev. John Tate is buried in the Old Pilot Grove Cemetery. His headstone is in great need of repair. Is there anyone on here that knows someone or someplace that could fix it. Thanks, Rebecca

Susan, Regarding the White Family Cemetary, I would like a copy of the statue for allowing us on the property. I live in Wichita Co., TX so my husband and I do intend on doing some work out there. He kindly agreed to help me. It will have to be done a little at a time. Any Byrd Allen White and Eunice Mahalia Daugherty family decendants, feel free to join in. Please contact me at my email address PHa2221@aol.com. We won't start the work until it gets alot cooler. We are having 100 plus degrees right now. We want to avoid snakes and give this time to get organized. Judy Turpin is going to try and locate the owner tomorrow. If she can't get the information that way, I'll try the fire dept if I have to. I would like premission but I also want the proof that I have a right to be there as well. Just something my "Daddy" taught me to do. Jan Good we may need your help on getting this organized because alot of the decendants are strung across this Great Nation of ours. Thanks everyone. Pat PHa2221@aol.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Merritt, Simmons, Grizzard, James, Lewis, Burroughs, Black, McAdory, Meade, Hancock, Hamm, Swain Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/1hB.2ACE/1454.1 Message Board Post: Hey Cuz...........My great grandmother was Victoria Elizabeth James Simmons. (b. Sept. 25, 1971) married my great grandfather William Henry Simmons Jan. 14, 1892 in Lamar County, Texas. Victoria Elizabeth Simmons was my grandfather John Henry Simmons' sister. Victoria Simmons married Andy J. Hayes Oct. 8, 1911. Victoria Elizabeth James Simmons is buried at Oakwood Cemetary in Honey Grove, Texas. Her daughter died in Chickasha, Oklahoma. Is this the link you are looking for?!?!?!? :-) Nancy Merritt Texarkana, Texas (daughter of Virginia Lee Simmons Merritt)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: James, Hayes, Barnett, Glazner Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/1hB.2ACE/1014.1.1 Message Board Post: Hello, I did not find any Victoria James in Fannin Co. The only Victoria James was in Williamson Co Florence tsp p 439 of the 1870 TX census. Since you didn't list any dates I don't know if this is a possible for your ancestor. She is not living with her parents as they have a different name. I hope this helps. Glazner(?not sure) John 66 farm laborer NC '' '' '' Bell 51 keeping house IL James Victoria 13 TX '' '' George 9 TX It does not list any relationship to the above people so I am not sure if they are grandparents or adoptive parents. There are other James children living in another household nearby but they also are not living with their parents: Barnett Isaac and Margret plus their children and James Amanda 19 TX "" Sarah 16 TX "" Mary 14 TX "" Laura 12 TX

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: SIMMONS, JAMES, HAYES Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/1hB.2ACE/1014.1 Message Board Post: I'm the fifth or forth Victoria Elizabeth in the Simmons family of Fannin County, Texas. My Dad left me genealogical information on this family before he passed away. I'm VERY interested in getting further info on the women of this line, and hopefully pictures? (PLEASE! <G>) My Dad's name was John Henry Hayes. His mother's maiden name was Victoria Elizabeth Simmons, from Fannin County, Texas. Her Mom was Victoria Elizabeth James, I think. (I do have it all in writing.) I would just dearly love to get together with other members of my family to share information. I'm using my second Mom's computer and you are VERY welcome to respond to her email. She will quickly get it to me :) Thanks so much for any help I can get and I hope to be able to help someone else. Victoria Elizabeth Elaine Hayes