This message as shown by my computer return had improper protocol or/and a fatal error. I punched the return button and it did not go through, now what? Charles Wyly --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON@MCI.Com> To: <wyly1@juno.com> Subject: Returned mail: User unknown Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:30:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <199808312030.PAA28439@beta.mcit.com> This is a MIME-encapsulated message --PAA28439.904595422/beta.mcit.com The original message was received at Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:30:19 -0500 (CDT) from m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <wyly1@mci.com> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to ndcrelay.mcit.com.: >>> RCPT To:<wyly1@mci.com> <<< 550 <wyly1@mci.com>... User unknown 550 <wyly1@mci.com>... 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User unknown Last-Attempt-Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:30:22 -0500 (CDT) --PAA28439.904595422/beta.mcit.com Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: <wyly1@juno.com> Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA28415 for <wyly1@mci.com>; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:30:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from wyly1@juno.com) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DMZP3L4Y; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:23:08 EDT To: wyly1@mci.com Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:33:19 -0500 Subject: wyly1@juno.com (charles a Wyly): Re: [ERATH] 1872 cattle drive Message-ID: <19980831.153330.3206.15.Wyly1@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-9,25-26,37-38,48-49,61-62,66,75-76,83-84,90-107,111-112 From: wyly1@juno.com (charles a Wyly) --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: wyly1@juno.com (charles a Wyly) To: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ERATH] 1872 cattle drive Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:15:00 EDT Message-ID: <19980831.152532.3206.8.Wyly1@juno.com> References: <199808301952.MAA26491@chatlink.com> Lana- after re-reading your letter and my reply, let me simplify my answer. if your ancestors joined the Goodnight- Loving Trail in the present Erath County, it is reasonable this drive did not originate in the Palo Duro Canyon south of Amarillo. The Texas Almanac shows another East branch of the trail starting west of Fort Worth in the vicinity of the W.T. Waggoner Ranch near Weatherford. If they drove cattle straight west on the presentgeneral route of I-20 and climbed the Ranger hill they were in Erath County in the vicinity of Thurber and may have turned south toward Desdemona (Hogtown) then to Comanche, Brownwood, and San Angelo, intersecting Palo Duro Canyon Branch in the Concho River and Colorado River (Of Texas) near San Angelo, below Colorado City, Texas. Depends on the grass, Indians, and new fences. They could have crossed Erath and continued due west along the present I-20 route to Abilene and then turned south through the Buffalo Gap, then to San Angelo.The Abilene route was more open, except for the Callahan Mesqitue groves. Would be more water and less mesqitue through Comanche and Brownwood The Spanish had named the High Plains the LLano Estacado or the Staked Plains. The Indian guides for Spanish taught them to collect tall Yucca bloom stems and at night by the campfire, peel them They were used to put a bright- almost white stake every so many yards across the High Plains. There were no other landmarks to sight on and avoid going in a circle. Even the wind isn't from a constant direction all day every day, At Camp Val Verde, Waco, they taught us how to break sticks or pile rocks making an arrow point down the trail., Indian style. Flat on the ground, the wind would not move these markers. A combination of Stakes and arrows on the ground would be simple to read and easy to change to decieve an enemy following you. Perhaps your family joined a larger drive of Waggoner or other cattle for the Goodnight- Loving trail. The Waggoner was a favorite of Teddy Roosevelt and one ranch house near Cresson had a room he had stayed in . The Fort Worth Star- Telegram has carried stories on the ranch and some western trails over the years, usually during the Southwestern Exposition and Livestock Show. The season for this fair has also changed over the years. I attended the 1936 Texas State Centenial in both Dallas and Fort Worth with my parents. . For educational trips like that with parents, you were counted present at school- I had a perfect attendance slip that year. By the way, it sounds strange to some that they drove cattle from Colorado to the Palo Duro Canyon area, then later drove them farther south to get back to Colorado up the Pecos and Rio Grande Rivers. No stranger than the Kuykendalls, who were active in Bosque County from 1830-s on, in the 1940's they would buy East Texas cattle as needed to supplement the herd. If Bosque County range got too dry they, in 1950's sometimes loaded cattle in Diesel Truck trailers and took them to Wyoming or other summer pasture in the area, and when winter set in, they would send them to market or bring some back to the fresh winter green grain grazing in Bosque County. Their Kuykendall Land & Cattle, downtown office in Clifton , Texas was open until a few years ago. I no longer see their signs. According to PBS programs, the surplus Black Drovers put out of business when the trail drives ceased, often joined the Buffalo Soldiers and manned the Fort Concho and other Southwestern Forts. Think one was in Yellowhouse Canyon, west of Levelland. The Indians named them in honor of their fear and respect of them . They drew 2/3 of the pay of a White soldier, as did the ones who served in the Civil War. The U.S.Army kept troops segregated until after WW2- usually with some White officers. I was in the first integrated Heavy Tank Batallion in the Korean War. A main street in Fort Hood is named for the 751 Black Tank Batalion , across the street from us at Camp Polk. Most of them in WW2 fought under the French Flag- not their own Stars and Stripes. Some had Czech officers from Central Texas- who had lived near Black farm workers. The Confederacy and the Georgia, Militia, had integrated troops from 1812 to the end of the Civil War and they were given the same pay as white soldiers. One entire company of Black soldiers volunteered to Louisiana Civil War officers, only to be rejected as untrustworthy after a lengthy argument among white officers. They preferred integrated units to encourage each other. The volunteer Free Blacks rode north and joined the Northern Army to get respect. In the war of 1812, Gen. James Rutherford Wyly was second in command of the Georgia Militia unit that sacked and burned Talahassee, Fla. They had 700 White and 400 Cherokee slodiers- the Cherokees were mad at the Seminoles for backing the British against their Anglo cousins. They were paid back by Andrew Jackson with the Trail of Tears when the Anglos found the Georgia Gold Fields. Seems sometimes we are our own worst enemy. Happy Hunting, Charles Wyly On Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:04:56 -0700 "lana" <lana@chatlink.com> writes: >My Tuckers left on a cattle drive in 1872 heading for Colorado or >Montana, >I am told they went south, because of the Indians, & took the >Loving-goodnight trail. If they left Erath Co, where does the trail >start. >If it starts in Texas, what counties does it go thru in Texas. I am >told >they were attacked & my Tucker family lost there herd, also there was >a >doctor that was killed, any one know about this story ? Lana > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. 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