I forgot to give you Ramsey Information. Someone else also wanted Ramsey info. Bob Ramsey was around 50 when I attended church at the Pony Creek (Box) Church. He and his son Bobby and wife attended there but lived near the Mitchell Creek Church past Miller Hill and Pony Creek School. He was a Deacon. Don't know if Ted was his son or brother. Ted lived near the old Crockett School across from where the Selden Paved road hits U.S. 67. Cedar Point is a few miles farther north There was a cluster of houses across from Ned Gristy, farm. Ted and Billy and Bobby lived there near Elvis Riggs, by the celar Elvis Riggs found Mr. Snow's stepson's head in a tow sack. By the way, a gun did not kill those 3- it was an axe- Let's all outlaw axes. They are too easy to get. ???? When I returned from the Army in 1952 Beth Ramsey was in Tarleton, Ted's daughter. About this time was when Crockett Ross was killed by Dan White ant Robert Bagwell. The teenager who shot him, robbing a station by Tarleton got life- his Uncle was was outside in the car and was later converted and baptized by a Selden pastor who held Jail Worship and I think the Selden Church accepted him, bur he made no appeal and was executed. He had trained his nephew to rob and steal. Another Ramsey, Bob's sister, married Oscar Eades, not long out of Georgia, and a Selden Deacon. One of their daughters, Ruby, is now past 90. She married Glen Kay, who was David Hensley Kay's son. "Uncle Hense" married Lenora Estelle Wyly in Georgia and lived next to Grandad. "Aunt Nora" was one of the 23 kids and 3 others raised by Oliver Cromwell Wyly in Hiawassee and Habersham County, Ga. Glen's brother was Roy Kay who was Supt. of San Marcos Academy. His daughter Velma Kay Hutchins of Houston is a certified genealolgist. Her brother Roy Roland lives in Stephenville now. Jump back- don't know the connection, but Velma does if it is there. The first Tennessee Historian was Dr. J.G. Ramsey who was born at Swan Pond, Strawberry Plains at the Junction of the Tennessee (Holston) and Hiawasse Rivers and the Presbyterian Church - oldest in Tennessee is on the hill there by the cemetery. Only the giant columns and slab remain. The first church was log. The Ramseys built the present 2 story house called Swan Pond before 1830It has guided tours now. My wife's ancestor Jeremiah Jack, my John Sevier, the first Governor and Rev. War Hero who won 45 + battles with British and Indians backing the British, and sometimes White, Gillespie, & Mc Allies ( my wife's ancestors) worshiped at the church (Holston I think - Scottish Presbyterian) in A,M,. and often met at the Ramsey home for social life, singing, and worship. They had come to Tennessee on the same type single trail Daniel Boone used, with a backpack and a pack mule with narrow load. They traded with Nancy Ward and friendly Indians at the Blue Peace City of Refuge (Cherokee) No photos or graven images were allowed in Scottish homes but parent photos and the President's photos on the wall. They had a small window about chair high by the fireplace- about 8" square, glassed- This was the Welcome candle window. If someone was home the candle would be burning and anyone- Indian- Black- or white could come into the kitchen, pull the swinging iron soup pot out, dip some food, and sleep on the kitchen floor- and be gone before the Ramseys needed the kitchen. the next day. Today someone would drop drugs in the pot. They there or nearby told us that if one on the underground railroad saw a Log Cabin Quilt on the clothes line and the center was brighrt red or orange, that meant keep moving, the house was being watched. If the center was black or dark blue it meant come on in and eat. They would have a cellar entrance under a deer hide or hook rug and if someone knocked on the door, visitors hid in the cellar and rug and table were back in place before the soldiers or bounty hunters were admitted. Knoxville area was mostly Republican - some slave owners- just one or 2 and mostly live and let live. Baylor museum workers had never heard this. A teacher at Lake Air Waco school said her family has at least 3 of these quilts with the home fire out- a dark center. Check Greeneville College (Now part of Tuscullum College , ) Greeneville, Tennessee and Blont College (Now Univ. of Tennessee at Knoxville) for family records. Robert & other Wylys are recorded there. John Sevier was a trustee of both- the two oldest west of the Apalachians and both the first two co-educational in the U.S. Not sure te boys and girls took all the same courses- but co-educational.I bet Ramseys had students in one of them. . Seems Geneaology is not a study of lines but of the loops and swirls we did in elementary handwriting. Will quit boring you. Charles Augustine Wyly On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:49:24 -0700 jollyj@u.arizona.edu (Kay Jolly) writes: > >Charles, > >Thanks for the info on the Keiths. Seems like I descend from a long >line >of ministers. My Thomas C. Capell, Born August 11, 1834, Died July 3, >1914 >was a Methodist minister. My Reuben D. Ross, Born September 26, 1824, >Died >December 29, 1908 was a Baptist minister. I understand Reuben was one >of >the first ministers in Erath County and was known as Comanche Rube. > >Kay > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]