Charles, you bring up an interesting connection. I have only one Bateman in my database.......a second great-grand uncle who married Mary Ann See. They came from The Cove, Meriwether County, GA. Henry was born about 1830 and died during the Cival War and is buried in the See Cemetery, The Cove, Meriwether County, GA. I know nothing of his family, but there is an excellent genealogy group in Meriwether with a lot of old history. Mary Ann See Bateman's sister was Barbara Virginia See, my paternal ggreat-grandmother. Barbara married James J. Brown in Meriwether and they and their children later moved to Erath County. This was Boone Brown's ancestral family: Mac Henry, Napolian J., Claudia Lee, William Serene, Molly, Alva L., and O. Bun. . Could it be possible that some of the Bateman's that your related to also came from the same area along with the Browns? The Browns probably arrived in Erath in the 1880's. The other interesting connection here is the Indian one. This is the side of my family that my Cherokee blood came from Barbara Virginia See Brown's daughter, my great-grandmother was supposedly half Cherokee. Her mother, Claudia Lee, looks full blooded Indian in her picture. Meriwether County GA is in the northwestern part of the state, and was immediatly south of Cherokee Territory prior to the Trail of Tears. I suspect there was a lot of inter-marrying with Cherokees and also Creeks who lived in that area, and that this was lied about and hidden due to the forced deportation of all Indians from the area. Many who had married anglos would state they were "Black Irish" instead of admitting they were Indian to keep from being deported. Because of this, and because the Indian Rolls you refer to only have those who went along with the deportation to OK, many of our Indian ancestors will never be able to be proven....unless they come up with a DNA test that connects us sometime in the future. With the evidence I have, I was able to join the Cherokees of California, but it is not a federally recognized tribe. So, with the Bateman/Brown Meriwether/Erath connections and the Indian history from the same ones, I suspect there may be a real connection here. I would be interested in hearing what you think. Also, I have no current connection to the Browns. They have seemed to have disappeared off the face of the earth. Some are burried in Lingleville. The rest, except for Boone, must have moved away from Erath. Anyway, thought you might find this interesting and possibly even a good lead on your Batemans. My Best, Randy Haynes All e-mails protected by Norton Anti-virus Please sign my petition at: http://petitiononline.com/fadoct/petition.html May you always walk the beautiful path.....Navaho ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles A. Wyly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [ERATH] Carters- Mitchell- Bateman-Scrimsher-Eddins-Stone clues > Hi, and thanks, Haynes. > > One other name we have tried to connect was Bateman- must be dozens of > them from Erath County to Waco on the Bosque River. I am a James T. > Stone- Sarah Bateman > descendant. One of the 23 children of Oliver Cromwell Wyly the first, was > Eugene Wyly who married a Loudelia Bateman- some records say > Graham-others say Stephenville area. All agree they lived at Stephenville > and he gained a Railroad position while in Stephenville and all > promotions meant moving west to California. Son Be, S. Wyly and siblings > and nieces and nephews from California and Arizona and Oklahoima, mostly > would visit the Stephenville Wyly Family Reunion. Ben would play his > professional type harmonica at Stephenville Country Opry during > intermission and was so good, musicians in the Opery would not play with > him > > Garvin Wood and Olive Wyly Wood always made the reunions- she was > chairman when they started in Selden School then the American Legion > hall. > > Debbie Shaw of Seminole, Ok. had reason to think that Loudelia Bateman, > her grandmother was Cherokee or Choctaw. I have found many Batemans on > the Cherokee Rolls of Western Cherokees, but Loudelia nor Sarah neither > show up. > > The Eugene buried at Indian Creek near Dorothy Scrimsher Wood's family > was of the Ben Franklin Line. This Ben was one of the 23. Ben is buried > at his Comanche County farm. He was Great Grandad Robert Augustine Wyly's > half brother- Robert son of O.C. and Lucy Eddins and Eugene son of O.C. > and 3rd wife, Martha Catherine Mitchell, the niece of Lucy Eddins. > Minnieola Wyly Fulbright is past 90. She said that our Great Uncle > Charlie showed her and other Wyly Girls where his Mitchell Uncles and > Aunts are buried in Ireland Cemetery, Hamilton County,( This cemetery has > a second name- similar th Box- Pony Creek) a few miles from Ben and other > Wylys are buried in Comanche County. Both families had Georgia Roots. > > ANY HELP THERE FROM BATEMAN RESEARCHERS? > > Thanks, > Charles Wyly > > On Thu, 29 May 2003 10:53:08 -0700 "HaynesO'Neil" > <[email protected]> writes: > > The only Carey I have in my database is Truet who married Dorothy > > Scrimsher. > > I have Dorothy because she married Garvin Wood. > > > > The Packs came from TN to MO then to TX and probably didn't do any > > more than > > pass through AR enroute. Of course, there are or at least were so > > many in > > Erath County that most families in Erath probably have a Pack > > connection > > somewhere. Interestingly though, the Pack surname is a small one > > here in the > > US as a whole with Erath probably having the largest concentration > > of them. > > > > The Stones are heavily intermarried with the Packs. Claudia Stone > > married > > Henry Keister Pack. Cora Eppie Stone married Jake Randolph Pack. > > Francis > > Pearl Stone married Edgar Lewis Pack. Lela Clerecy Pack married > > Henry > > Keister Pack (second Stone marriage for him). Myrtle Stone married > > Robert E. > > Pack. Naoimi Stone married (guess who) Henry Keister Pack (3rd Stone > > marriage). Has to be an interesting story with old Henry, wish I > > knew what > > it was. > > > > I don't show any Copeland marriages to Packs, but there could have > > been > > some. I do have some Copelands married to my Watson side. > > > > I don't have any Cannon's in my database. > > > > My Best, Randy Haynes > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Charles A. Wyly" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [ERATH] Carters > > > > > > > Hi, Haynes, > > > mom was Emma Irene Carey, born Hope, Arkansas, 1901 to John Henry > > Carey > > > and Nancy Elizabeth Hipp Carey. She said the Stones, Careys, > > Copelands, > > > and Pack families of Erath County nd Arkansas were her "Cousins > > but > > > never pegged down how the Packs fit in. James T. Stone Sr. > > married Sarah > > > Bateman and are buried in Bateman Cemetery, north Arkansas, Also a > > Cannon > > > in the lineage. Any clues? > > > > > > Charles Wyly > > > > > > On Wed, 28 May 2003 10:26:17 -0700 "HaynesO'Neil" > > > <[email protected]> writes: > > > > I have some Carters who married into my Pack family starting > > with > > > > George > > > > Washington Carter b. 10 March 1850. I don't know if they tie in > > with > > > > the others > > > > or not. I also have a Dolly Laura Carter b. about 1860 who > > married > > > > Joseph > > > > Woodford Watson...don't know her parents. > > > > > > > > I also have a Lucille Carter b. about 1912 who married Horace > > Elmer > > > > Gilbert. > > > > > > > > Hope this is helpful. > > > > > > > > My Best, Randy Haynes > > > > All e-mails protected by Norton Anti-virus > > > > > > > > Please sign my petition at: > > > > http://petitiononline.com/fadoct/petition.html > > > > > > > > May you always walk the beautiful path.....Navaho > > > > > > > > Descendants of George Washington Carter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Generation No. 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. GEORGE WASHINGTON1 CARTER1 was born March 10, 18501, and died > > > > June 18, 19301. > > > > He married MARGARET ANN PACK1 April 16, 1874 in Collins County, > > TX1, > > > > daughter of > > > > THOMAS PACK and ELIZABETH DILL. She was born July 20, 1855 in > > > > Webster County, > > > > MO1, and died December 20, 1931 in Erath County, TX1. > > > > > > > > More About GEORGE WASHINGTON CARTER: > > > > > > > > Burial: Mt. Pleasant Cemetery, Erath County, TX1 > > > > > > > > > > > > Children of GEORGE CARTER and MARGARET PACK are: > > > > > > > > i. WILLIE2 CARTER1, b. August 04, 18761; m. CLAUDE CHAMBERS, > > January > > > > 1897; b. > > > > Abt. 1872; d. February 05, 1901. > > > > > > > > 2. ii. JOSEPH EDGAR CARTER, b. September 13, 1877; d. April 25, > > > > 1939. > > > > > > > > 3. iii. CHARLIE ALBERT CARTER, b. February 11, 1880; d. November > > 05, > > > > 1946. > > > > > > > > 4. iv. MATTIE BELL CARTER, b. January 10, 1881; d. June 01, > > 1973, > > > > Erath County, > > > > Texas. > > > > > > > > 5. v. WALTER EDWARD CARTER, b. August 12, 1888; d. October 1971, > > > > Stephenville, > > > > Erath County, Texas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Generation No. 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. JOSEPH EDGAR2 CARTER (GEORGE WASHINGTON1)1 was born September > > 13, > > > > 18771, and > > > > died April 25, 19391. He married LULA RAWLINGS1 April 14, 19071. > > She > > > > was born > > > > Abt. 1880. > > > > > > > > > > > > Children of JOSEPH CARTER and LULA RAWLINGS are: > > > > > > > > i. MARRIE BELL3 CARTER1, b. July 13, 19081. > > > > > > > > ii. HERMAN MAXWELL CARTER1,2, b. February 25, 19103; d. October > > 05, > > > > 1991, Erath > > > > County, Texas4,5. > > > > > > > > iii. THURMAN CARTER6, b. November 15, 19116. > > > > > > > > iv. EXIA CARTER6, b. November 12, 19136. > > > > > > > > v. EUGENE RAWLINGS CARTER6, b. April 24, 19166; d. November 17, > > > > 1997, Smith > > > > County, TX7,8. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. CHARLIE ALBERT2 CARTER (GEORGE WASHINGTON1)9 was born > > February > > > > 11, 18809, and > > > > died November 05, 19469. He married NANCY PENDERGRASS9 August > > 18, > > > > 19029. She was > > > > born February 26, 18869, and died March 02, 1972 in Erath > > County, > > > > TX. > > > > > > > > More About CHARLIE ALBERT CARTER: > > > > > > > > Burial: West End Cemetery, Stephenville, Erath County, TX9 > > > > > > > > > > > > Children of CHARLIE CARTER and NANCY PENDERGRASS are: > > > > > > > > i. BEADIE3 CARTER9, b. March 20, 19049. > > > > > > > > ii. KAY CARTER9, b. July 09, 19069. > > > > > > > > iii. PEARL CARTER9, b. June 04, 19089. > > > > > > > > iv. OSCAR DAY CARTER9, b. October 08, 19109; d. October 195210. > > > > > > > > v. GOLDIE JUANITA CARTER11, b. September 10, 191311. > > > > > > > > vi. CHRISTINE CARTER11, b. June 23, 191811. > > > > > > > > vii. WALDIEN CARTER11, b. June 23, 191811. > > > > > > > > viii. GEORGE WASHINGTON CARTER11, b. December 25, 192011. > > > > > > > > ix. CHARLIE ALBERT CARTER11, b. August 23, 192311; d. April 12, > > > > 1982, Bexar > > > > County, TX12,13. > > > > > > > > x. RUBY LEE CARTER14, b. November 16, 192614. > > > > > > > > xi. TEMPLE OVERTON CARTER14, b. May 18, 193114. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. MATTIE BELL2 CARTER (GEORGE WASHINGTON1)14 was born January > > 10, > > > > 188114, and > > > > died June 01, 1973 in Erath County, Texas15. She married R. > > KYSER > > > > DUNN16 April > > > > 02, 1898 in Erath County, TX17. He was born Abt. 1878. > > > > > > > > > > > > Children of MATTIE CARTER and R. DUNN are: > > > > > > > > i. EFFIE MARIE3 DUNN18, b. August 10, 190018. > > > > > > > > ii. CHARLES ALBERT DUNN18,19, b. December 11, 190120,21; d. > > March > > > > 29, 1986, > > > > Erath County, Texas21,22. > > > > > > > > iii. SAMMY DUNN23, b. 191123. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. WALTER EDWARD2 CARTER (GEORGE WASHINGTON1)23 was born August > > 12, > > > > 188823, and > > > > died October 1971 in Stephenville, Erath County, Texas24. He > > married > > > > CORA LEE > > > > GARRISON25 February 11, 190725. She was born Abt. 1890, and died > > > > November 11, > > > > 1985 in Erath County, Texas26. > > > > > > > > > > > > Children of WALTER CARTER and CORA GARRISON are: > > > > > > > > i. TROY PRENTIS3 CARTER27, b. May 26, 191027; d. October 24, > > 1995, > > > > Bell County, > > > > Texas28,29. > > > > > > > > ii. FLOYD ALBERT CARTER30, b. March 05, 191330; d. January 01, > > 1995, > > > > Erath > > > > County, Texas31,32. > > > > > > > > 6. iii. IVY CECIL CARTER, b. Abt. 1910; d. April 11, 1999, Erath > > > > County, Texas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Generation No. 3 > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. IVY CECIL3 CARTER (WALTER EDWARD2, GEORGE WASHINGTON1)33 was > > born > > > > Abt. 1910, > > > > and died April 11, 1999 in Erath County, Texas34. She married > > LUTHER > > > > RAY > > > > PACK35,36, son of THOMAS PACK and ROSA MCLAUGHLIN. He was born > > July > > > > 03, > > > > 190737,38, and died March 29, 1988 in Erath County, Texas38,39. > > > > > > > > More About LUTHER RAY PACK: > > > > > > > > Burial: 1988, Huckabay Cemetery, Erath County, TX40 > > > > > > > > Military service: Pvt US Army WW II > > > > > > > > > > > > Children of IVY CARTER and LUTHER PACK are: > > > > > > > > i. THOMAS EDWARD4 PACK41, b. February 20, 1929, Erath County, > > TX41. > > > > > > > > ii. ALAN DAN PACK41, b. December 06, 194641; d. December 20, > > 1990, > > > > Erath County, > > > > Texas42,43. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Endnotes > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Thomas Houston Pack 1825-1886 book by Elwood and Nan Knox > > 1971. > > > > > > > > 2. Texas Death Records. > > > > > > > > 3. Thomas Houston Pack 1825-1886 book by Elwood and Nan Knox > > 1971. > > > > > > > > 4. Social Security Death Index. > > > > > > > > 5. Texas Death Records. > > > > > > > > 6. Thomas Houston Pack 1825-1886 book by Elwood and Nan Knox > > 1971. > > > > > > > > 7. Social Security Death Index. > > > > > > > > 8. Texas Death Records. > > > > > > > > 9. Thomas Houston Pack 1825-1886 book by Elwood and Nan Knox > > 1971. > > > > > > > > 10. Social Security Death Index. > > > > > > > > 11. Thomas Houston Pack 1825-1886 book by Elwood and Nan Knox > > 1971. > > > > > > > > 12. Social Security Death Index. > > > > > > > > 13. Texas Death Records. > > > > > > > > 14. Thomas Houston Pack 1825-1886 book by Elwood and Nan Knox > > 1971. > > > > > > > > 15. Texas Death Records. > > > > > > > > 16. Thomas Houston Pack 1825-1886 book by Elwood and Nan Knox > > 1971. > > > > > > > > 17. Texas Marriages, 1851-1900. > > > > > > > > 18. Thomas Houston Pack 1825-1886 book by Elwood and Nan Knox > > 1971. > > > > > > > > 19. Social Security Death Index. > > > > > > > > 20. Thomas Houston Pack 1825-1886 book by Elwood and Nan Knox > > 1971. > > > > > > > > 21. Social Security Death Index. > > > > > > > > 22. Texas Death Records. > > > > > > > > 23. Thomas Houston Pack 1825-1886 book by Elwood and Nan Knox > > 1971. > > > > > > > > 24. Social Security Death Index. > > > > > > > > 25. Thomas Houston Pack 1825-1886 book by Elwood and Nan Knox > > 1971. > > > > > > > > 26. Texas Death Records. > > > > > > > > 27. Thomas Houston Pack 1825-1886 book by Elwood and Nan Knox > > 1971. > > > > > > > > 28. Social Security Death Index. > > > > > > > > 29. Texas Death Records. > > > > > > > > 30. Thomas Houston Pack 1825-1886 book by Elwood and Nan Knox > > 1971. > > > > > > > > 31. Social Security Death Index. > > > > > > > > 32. Texas Death Records. > > > > > > > > 33. Erath County Birth Records of Thomas Edward Pack. > > > > > > > > 34. Erath County Death Records. > > > > > > > > 35. Thomas Houston Pack 1825-1886 book by Elwood and Nan Knox > > 1971. > > > > > > > > 36. Social Security Death Index. > > > > > > > > 37. Thomas Houston Pack 1825-1886 book by Elwood and Nan Knox > > 1971. > > > > > > > > 38. Social Security Death Index. > > > > > > > > 39. Texas Death Records. > > > > > > > > 40. Huckabay Cemetery Records Online. > > > > > > > > 41. Erath County Birth Records. > > > > > > > > 42. Erath County Death Records. > > > > > > > > 43. 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