Hi, can anyone help with this Inquiry> Bro. Gillam was a minister in Erath County for 30 years or more, but I have no specific info which woulkd help. Charles Wy;ly --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Mary A. Old" <[email protected]> To: "Charles A. Wyly" <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:16:06 -0700 Subject: Re: PML Search Result matching "gillam" Charles, Caught your message through my personal mailing list at rootsweb. Do you have any more details on the brother Gillam mentioned below? I would very much like to publish the info. free of charge in my newsletter, Gillams Galore, and to check it against my data base of Gillam info gathered over 23 years. All I need is a snail mail (postal address) and any details you care to add. P.S. Sounds like you really know the area. Would really like to hear from you. My husband has Old and Jones relatives in the McClennan and Karnes Co. areas of TX. Mary At 10:25 PM 5/12/03 -0600, you wrote: >===================================================================== >A result of your requested PML search. To refine or cancel this >search, please visit http://pml.rootsweb.com/ >===================================================================== >Source: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [ERATH] Fw: Mail Not Delivered > > >Hi, > >There was a Baptist pastor at Selden, probably bivocational back then, >who was named Brother Gillam. He performed the wedding for my >grandparents Henry and Ida Kathryn Moxley Wyly, appx. 1900, then for my >parents, Eddie and Emma Carey Wyly >about 1925 or 1926. He had a habit of having Sunday dinner with a family >when a wedding was planned, then carefully "lost" a silver dollar there. >That night at Church he would announce that he lost a Silver dollar with >certain date and marking and would perform a wedding for anyone who found >it. Naturally, Mom had "found " it. > >Br. Gilliam's grandson was Ben Jack Cage of Cage and Crow and Trammell >banking families. Ben Wyly, Jr. age 17 had deliverred 3000 head of Sheep >from Atlanta, Georgia to to San Angelo appx. 1890, age 17- Engilsh Sheep >from Atlanta, Ga. to San Angelo, for ranges toward Balmoreah.These sheep >were deliverred to Trammel and Crow of San Angelo and Stephenville. part >payment was in a Selden, Texas Ranch, a store on Stephenville Square, and >some Stephenville homes owned by Trammel or Crow families. My sister in >law Leota Narrell or Norrill of Van, Texas now and Born in Ropesville, >Texs said her grandad was also a Br. Gilliam or Gillum. About 5 years ago > >they held their Gillum Reunion in the Fort Worth Sportsman Club area at >Thurber. One year this family met at Lake Cisco or Ranger. > >You mentioned the Hills. Some Hills lived in Itasca- another family in >Walnut Springs, Texas and one had a farm in Chalk Mountain. He married a >Hale if I remember right. He used to combine dad's Vetch and Wheat mix >with a very old Regular Farmall and Allis Chalmers Combine. I attend >church with a John Hill , a Gideon, formerly from Louisiana. > >Also, there used to be a Mr. Boggus in 1940-50's who had a small farm or >large garden, usually wore Blue overalls, and drove a wagon with 2 Mules >hauling a Walking plow to plow gardens for Stephenville City dwellers. > >. > >. > >Take care, >Charles A. Wyly > >On Sun, 11 May 2003 20:10:31 -0700 David Gilliam <[email protected]> >writes: > > Hello again Mr. Wyly, > > > > It is of great interest to me--the stories of Mingus and Thurber. > > My great > > grandfather Ferd Hill had a store in Thurber during the boom years I > > would > > say possibly the 20's. He later lived in Mingus and had a dairy > > there and > > had 80 acres of pecans. I posted to the Rootsweb Palo Pinto site > > stories > > that my dad, Everett Jones told about his life in the Mingus area > > and things > > that he remembered happening. I believe the webmaster posted them > > under > > Ferdinand Hammond Hill. The night before my dad died, he began > > telling > > stories as he remembered them the more he talked the more I took > > notes. No > > one knew that his last remembrances would be about Mingus and some > > of the > > folks there. > > > > > > His Uncle Tom Boggus, married Nell Hill one of Ferd Hill's > > daughters. Uncle > > Tom was a bootlegger but also was elected to public office in either > > Mingus > > or Strawn. > > > > If any other of you folks in and around the Mingus, Thurber area > > know or > > have heard of any stories about the life there I would love to add > > more to > > my Mingus notes. > > > > Sincerely, > > Jean > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Charles A. Wyly <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 7:25 AM > > Subject: [ERATH] Fw: Mail Not Delivered > > > > > > > Hi, > > > Apparently Tom's box is full again. Perhaps he will see it here. > > My E > > > mail company will store messages for a few days- short term. have > > that > > > problem too sometimes and have to file or delete like Crazy- > > nothing for > > > a few days then 15 to 20 in one day. > > > > > > In addition to Txerath news in letter below, Read all Historical > > Markers > > > in Stephenville listed on a Texas list. The private non charterred > > bank > > > of Cage and Crow on Northwest corner of Stephenville was 2 story. > > A > > > marker there stated that an italian Opera House was in the second > > floor > > > of the bamnk and many Italian and other European miners came to > > the > > > Stephenville Cage and Crow Opera house over the bank. Not sure, > > but I > > > think this was when Stephenville had open saloons instead of > > hiding > > > behind the skirts of private Clubs of today. Bet that has cut in > > on the > > > Mingus and Glen Rose trips . Also read the Erath County Historical > > > calendars published by Dan Young - Brenda Lamb assisted on some of > > them. > > > ( Historic calendars are old calendars- Historical calendars are > > recent > > > printing from collection of Historic events day by day). > > Stephenville > > > Century or 20 th Century club still publishes new calendars of > > historic > > > events., different each year. > > > > > > I never went to Mingus except passing through to other towns. A > > one time > > > the Horseshoe shaped bar there, run by some Italians at one time, > > was the > > > largest bar between Fort Worth and El Paso. , or so the Big Boys > > said. > > > Uncle Lewis Wyly and dad hauled Thurber Bricks from the Baptist > > Church, > > > 1930's. Building for foundations of Chicken houses and a milk > > shed on > > > same land Selden ( Hatchett related) Cemetery is on. The old > > Bandstand > > > from Thurber was moved to Hwy 6 road to Duffau , back to Mingus in > > the > > > last few years. . It was a "Round" or Hexagonal shape- and was the > > home > > > of 2 brothers who came to Bosque Valley League adult Baseball > > games at > > > Johnsville and Iredell in a Model T open top touring Car. They > > traded > > > even for a new Ford in Cleburne,as they said it was cooler for > > their > > > hounds when they attended Hunting dog shows. > > > > > > The Historical Calendars (with references)state that when > > karankawa > > > Volcano erupted in Indonesia, people in Stephenville, Mineral > > Wells and > > > Eastland heard a slow low rumble- Stage drivers said it was > > reported in > > > all towns they stopped in. The ash circulated the globe 3 & 1/2 > > times. > > > Sound Ridicilious? For the second time since 1989, the Mexican > > farmers in > > > Drouth stricken Central American countries are doing their annual > > field > > > burn offs to plow for the next crop in Jungle clearings and the > > fires are > > > out of hand. Yesterday in area from Austin to past Waco we did not > > see > > > the sun on a clear day, because of the smoke- sometimes there was > > a light > > > spot in the haxe, but no full sun. This blows across the Gulf into > > > Houston- corpus area or comes across the Rio Grande, depending on > > Jet > > > stream fluctuations.In 1988, it reached Lubbock. If your friends > > are > > > strange lately, maybe the smoke has a little Marijuana in it. > > Naw, it's > > > just the lack of normal sunlight. > > > > > > Take care, > > > Charles A. Wyly > > > > > > --------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected] > > > Date: 11 May 2003 03:27:43 -0000 > > > Subject: Mail Not Delivered > > > From: "Charles A. Wyly" <[email protected]> > > > > > > Tom, > > > read your Thurber History again. TP Coal and Oil had recruited > > short men > > > all over Europe for digging the coal from veins in some mines, > > that a 6 > > > foot man would have to lay on his side and kneel or crawl in. The > > Company > > > had separate Catholic Churches for the Irish in one group and > > Czechs > > > and Italians in the other, and they were assigned as groups to > > some > > > jobs.They had some differences in holidays and famil;y life. The > > word > > > Mingus is Italian. I have talked to elderly Czech men in West, > > Texas , > > > McLennan County who said they were born in either Mingus or > > Newcastle > > > Mine town near Graham. Oklahoma Coal Miners in Yukon, Okla, and in > > > another town east of OKC towards Tahlequah also had similar > > history of > > > European Coal miners- but only 2 restaurants in Okla, still make > > good > > > Kolaches and Koblisneik and Strudle . > > > > > > Some in the edge of Eastland and Erath County who now own land > > had > > > Italian roots. They have posted to this site a few years ago. > > Should be > > > in Archives of Txerath or Southern Trails. Wendell Montgomery of > > West > > > Pharmacy and Bakery died last month. he was Catholic and had some > > Erath > > > County connections- and knew the history of the Dr. Wylie of > > Bosque > > > County, as Wendell 's dad had bought Dr. Wylie's home and clinic- > > 2 story > > > frame, on hill behind West Dairy Queen.Wendell's 35 women and > > Co-op > > > school kids supplied Czech food for Ennis Polka Festival every > > year. > > > > > > When I was in the West Kiwanis Club and teaching there, Vince > > Incardona , > > > deputy, and later County Commisioner was also a member. He was > > born in > > > Marlin. One of the West Lumber Tuckers was kidding him just before > > > Westfest as to why he spoke Czech and Vince laughed and said > > speaking > > > Czech was desireable for an Italian in Falls County. One black > > man I > > > taught with said he had bought land from a white farmer who > > carried his > > > own note and he preferred to sell to him than one of the Italians > > who > > > wanted it. Back then West and Cameron Churches of Unity of the > > Brethern > > > ( Moravian) had Czech language preaching by Rev. Bezdek of West.On > > other > > > Sundays all services were in English (1960's) They were similar to > > Modern > > > Menninites or conservative Baptists.One of these churches south > > of Texas > > > A&M on Hwy 6 is unusually beauriful . > > > > > > 2 blocks towards the railroad in West is the Aderholdt Funeral > > Home- and > > > was run by Al Payne for many years- a kin. Dr. Aderholdt had > > practiced > > > medicine in Erath County before moving to West. Could he have been > > Czech > > > or Italian?Sounds more Swiss or Moravian. His granddaughter in > > 1998 was > > > Chief administrator of Ridgecrest Retirement Village on south side > > of > > > Lake Waco- on Hwy 6 in Woodway, near Bosque Blvd > > > > > > I suppose you know about the Mexican group in Falls county who > > were > > > Charcoal burners with a big pit- and sold the charcoal to some > > > Wholesaler. Also, the village around the Falls County gravel > > works. I > > > would have had to recruit Adult Ed students from there had I > > taken the > > > job, after retirement, with headquarters in old Elm Mott School > > (near > > > Wao) for > > > several countiues. Sounded like too much time for the pay. > > > > > > For a starter,check Google for the San Francisco Library daily > > newspapers > > > of japanese and Italians who were relocated from the West Coast > > when WW2 > > > started. New York Library or Smithsonian should have this on line > > for > > > East Coast. > > > Same happened on the East Coast- notsure about Gulf of Mexico. > > Some went > > > to kansas on a 2 week notice with Military Escort guards. . My > > present > > > neighbor - Hoshizaki, wasfirst generation American born and left > > San > > > Francisco area for Louisville, Ky resetlement area- old Barracks > > and > > > cottages. he attended Baptist > > > Seminary in Louisbille and becamea Japanese Missionary to Japan. > > His son > > > is now involved in English- Japqnese Computer programs and spends > > muv=ch > > > of his time there. He is a Baylor Grad. > > > > > > Those in present Mexia State School buildings in WW2, and those > > in > > > Cleburne were German Prisoners of War, not relocated civilians. In > > > Cleburne they lived under the North Football bleachers on U.S. > > 67,built > > > in 1930's by WPA, and openings were coverred with tarps. > > > > > > Take care, > > > Charles A. 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