I don't know if some were predistined or not Charles. My Grandfather was an ordained deacon with the Primitive Baptist church. I remember as a small boy while attending church services in a private Hamilton residence, he sure liked to sing. They did not really have Ministers or preachers as I understand it. Supposedly his sister was accused of "Heterodox principles" whatever that is, by the church in probably late 1800's. She told them she was happy the way she was so they kicked her out. According to a cousin, the records for the Hopewell Primitive Baptist are in Stephenville somewhere. I also have never heard of a Sam Rose or the barbers in Stephenville you mentioned. My Ggrandfather did have a brother named Samuel Adam Burney Rose. He fought in the War between the States from AL and never left that area. I have no info that any of his descendents ever were in Erath county. Burt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles A. Wyly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [ERATH] Clairette > Hi, I found the site by going to Bosque County History Site, and there > was a link to BOSQUE PRIMITIVE BAPTIST ASSOCIATION. It also refers to > oter primitive Associatios and doctorinal splits over such as types of > music and - were some Predestinated to go to hell.?? > > The Bosque Association spread from Little Flock Church between Oglesby > and Temple to the Brazos. Across the Brazos, a Rev. Roberts- a Hatchett > descendant- was preaching. As you may know, there is a Duffau Association > primitive Baptist camp between Glen Rose and the State inoisaur park. > Someone there may have more records. Sometimes they used to lease the > camo for a week to Bosque County United Pentocal Churches. > > Charles A. Wyly > > ______________________________