Hello Again Mr. Wyly, I enjoy your stories about Erath Co., being as I was born there, although my birth certificate states Mingus, Erath Co. I know that Mingus is in Palo Pinto Co., Several years when my parents were living they took me by where I was born and it was off Highway 108 about 16 miles north of Stephenville going toward Thurber and Mingus. I have made a "Charles Wyly Information" folder and saved many of your stories about the Indians, Texas Rangers, and other Texas history stories. I was wondering if you ever heard about or knew a Baptist Minister by the name of Dr. Calvin Guy Carter from Granbury, TX that died in 1982. Did you know of a Spillers family living in the Stephenville area back in the late 1930's? I enjoy your e-mails. Sincerely, Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles A. Wyly <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [ERATH] Chalk Mountain > Hi, > as I understand it from H. Grady Perry's book GRAND OLE ERATH- the > Story of a Cross Timbers County, the main street of old Chalk Mountain > was the old dirt Hwy 67, which I was born on in Johnsville, Grandad Henry > Wyly bought some land from Reed Cox family in 1920's and Grandad Henry > Carey's brother George Carey bought the adjoining land between us and > the Duffau Creek branch near the Selden Hatchett Cemetery. Some of the > Bordner- Hatchett- Hammic connections are buried in Selden Cemetery, not > Chalk Mountain. One Anderson is also there. > \ > Bordners were Bortner in Germany and, like Riggs men, came from Illinois > and points east to the area. > > Old Dirt Hwy 67 was very crooked- I and Truett Carey and Williams and > Carver and Wright kids and some Coxes and Pitman and McGee and Scotts > and Mills and Little kids and Dr. Morris Johnson walked the old Hwy > past the Johnsville Church and post office and turned off to right to > old location of Johnsville School, before it became the main building of > 3 way school on new Hwy 67. The present paved U.S. 67 was being built > when I was born. Dad went for a Doctor through the construction rather > than follow the crooked old dirt U.S. 67 to old Valley Grove area, then > into Stephenville. One bridge was out near Cedar Point road- graded but > not finished, and it was cold and muddy, so dad jumpped the ditch in his > Model T pickup.I beat the Doctor there, and was kept warm on the south > side of the wood stove in a quilt and orange crate. > > The open road from Chalk Mountain to Walnut Springs was the last open > road before dropping off the steep hill into Somerville County. It past > the park and picnic area of 1900 at Panther Cave, and Odom Chapel was > on the other side of the road. Roy Fallin may have paved Erath portion of > the road. Emerson Rhodeslived on the road near the cave where one of the > Stephen brothers lived and wife had twins in the cave while he freighted > by Ox Cart from Bellmead to Fort Graham and Foprt Griffin. Stephenville > was named for a Stephen brother. The twins were Cliff and Cave. Emerson > said- and was in papers- that Cliff Stephen led some of his family to > the site in 1960's and, before leaving, he stared across the Tress Rios- > 3 rivers Glen Rose area, towards Cleburne prairie and towards Comanche > Peak in silence. His mom had killed a Panther after her bulldog had > stopped him at the cowhide wall to their living quarters- one shot with > a shotgun. Parhams, Ice, Fretwell, McCarty, and others lived at the foot > of the hill. Jim Ice and dad traded livestock often. > > Cecil Fretwell's dad Scott was given Cecil's Congressional Medal of honor > Posthumously by a marker on Glen Rose Courthouse square after Cecil was > found dead in Korea. Way I read it at the time, some U.S. officers were > dead in a dugout shelter room, several North Koreans were dead outside > with bayonet wounds and Cecil was between the two groups with the only > bloody bayonet in the bunch. Cecil visited some Johnsville friends to > swap Motorcycle parts before we all went swimming in the Duffau, late > 1940's. > > I rode the bus with Jiggs Laney's wife- an Edwards. His dad and mom, Ben > and Ruth Laney, often exchanged visits with mom and Dad after they > retired in Selden and also exchanged fruit and vegetables.Funny how old > age turns lifetime acquaintances into good friends checking on each > other. They had common memories. > > Oscar Parham, in his School bus , said there was once a cavern off the > Panther Cave rock overhangs and the spring from solid rock- but so many > dogs were lost in dropoffs while chasing animals, that the cavern part > was bulldozed full- One used to see a place where dirt was moved and > setled away from the ceiling, just enough for small animals and > Rattlesnakes to enter and make a tremendous den. This is the first spring > & waterfall on Hill Creek which turne back towards the Ralls Ranch and > the Brazos near Eulogy. . The Parham Store in Stephenville was moved from > the Crossroads area below this hill. > > THIS CAVE IS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY NEAR NEWER HOUSES- BUT IS DANGEROUS- > KEEP OUT. I visited it as a local teacher with a Biology class with > permission and gatherred specimens where "Bull " Adams, Rhodes Scholar, > had found 4 Indian Graves under an overhang and sent his find to some > museum. > > Sorry if I bored any of you, but hope your delete button still works- > many books could be written on this area of many former Tennessee and > other Frontiersmen > > Take care, > Charles A. Wyly > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >

David where do u live now. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Gilliam" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [ERATH] Chalk Mountain > Hello Again Mr. Wyly, > > I enjoy your stories about Erath Co., being as I was born there, although my > birth certificate states Mingus, Erath Co. I know that Mingus is in Palo > Pinto Co., Several years when my parents were living they took me by where I > was born and it was off Highway 108 about 16 miles north of Stephenville > going toward Thurber and Mingus. > > I have made a "Charles Wyly Information" folder and saved many of your > stories about the Indians, Texas Rangers, and other Texas history stories. > > I was wondering if you ever heard about or knew a Baptist Minister by the > name of Dr. Calvin Guy Carter from Granbury, TX that died in 1982. > > Did you know of a Spillers family living in the Stephenville area back in > the late 1930's? > > I enjoy your e-mails. > > Sincerely, > Jean > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Charles A. Wyly <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 2:21 PM > Subject: Re: [ERATH] Chalk Mountain > > > > Hi, > > as I understand it from H. Grady Perry's book GRAND OLE ERATH- the > > Story of a Cross Timbers County, the main street of old Chalk Mountain > > was the old dirt Hwy 67, which I was born on in Johnsville, Grandad Henry > > Wyly bought some land from Reed Cox family in 1920's and Grandad Henry > > Carey's brother George Carey bought the adjoining land between us and > > the Duffau Creek branch near the Selden Hatchett Cemetery. Some of the > > Bordner- Hatchett- Hammic connections are buried in Selden Cemetery, not > > Chalk Mountain. One Anderson is also there. > > \ > > Bordners were Bortner in Germany and, like Riggs men, came from Illinois > > and points east to the area. > > > > Old Dirt Hwy 67 was very crooked- I and Truett Carey and Williams and > > Carver and Wright kids and some Coxes and Pitman and McGee and Scotts > > and Mills and Little kids and Dr. Morris Johnson walked the old Hwy > > past the Johnsville Church and post office and turned off to right to > > old location of Johnsville School, before it became the main building of > > 3 way school on new Hwy 67. The present paved U.S. 67 was being built > > when I was born. Dad went for a Doctor through the construction rather > > than follow the crooked old dirt U.S. 67 to old Valley Grove area, then > > into Stephenville. One bridge was out near Cedar Point road- graded but > > not finished, and it was cold and muddy, so dad jumpped the ditch in his > > Model T pickup.I beat the Doctor there, and was kept warm on the south > > side of the wood stove in a quilt and orange crate. > > > > The open road from Chalk Mountain to Walnut Springs was the last open > > road before dropping off the steep hill into Somerville County. It past > > the park and picnic area of 1900 at Panther Cave, and Odom Chapel was > > on the other side of the road. Roy Fallin may have paved Erath portion of > > the road. Emerson Rhodeslived on the road near the cave where one of the > > Stephen brothers lived and wife had twins in the cave while he freighted > > by Ox Cart from Bellmead to Fort Graham and Foprt Griffin. Stephenville > > was named for a Stephen brother. The twins were Cliff and Cave. Emerson > > said- and was in papers- that Cliff Stephen led some of his family to > > the site in 1960's and, before leaving, he stared across the Tress Rios- > > 3 rivers Glen Rose area, towards Cleburne prairie and towards Comanche > > Peak in silence. His mom had killed a Panther after her bulldog had > > stopped him at the cowhide wall to their living quarters- one shot with > > a shotgun. Parhams, Ice, Fretwell, McCarty, and others lived at the foot > > of the hill. Jim Ice and dad traded livestock often. > > > > Cecil Fretwell's dad Scott was given Cecil's Congressional Medal of honor > > Posthumously by a marker on Glen Rose Courthouse square after Cecil was > > found dead in Korea. Way I read it at the time, some U.S. officers were > > dead in a dugout shelter room, several North Koreans were dead outside > > with bayonet wounds and Cecil was between the two groups with the only > > bloody bayonet in the bunch. Cecil visited some Johnsville friends to > > swap Motorcycle parts before we all went swimming in the Duffau, late > > 1940's. > > > > I rode the bus with Jiggs Laney's wife- an Edwards. His dad and mom, Ben > > and Ruth Laney, often exchanged visits with mom and Dad after they > > retired in Selden and also exchanged fruit and vegetables.Funny how old > > age turns lifetime acquaintances into good friends checking on each > > other. They had common memories. > > > > Oscar Parham, in his School bus , said there was once a cavern off the > > Panther Cave rock overhangs and the spring from solid rock- but so many > > dogs were lost in dropoffs while chasing animals, that the cavern part > > was bulldozed full- One used to see a place where dirt was moved and > > setled away from the ceiling, just enough for small animals and > > Rattlesnakes to enter and make a tremendous den. This is the first spring > > & waterfall on Hill Creek which turne back towards the Ralls Ranch and > > the Brazos near Eulogy. . The Parham Store in Stephenville was moved from > > the Crossroads area below this hill. > > > > THIS CAVE IS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY NEAR NEWER HOUSES- BUT IS DANGEROUS- > > KEEP OUT. I visited it as a local teacher with a Biology class with > > permission and gatherred specimens where "Bull " Adams, Rhodes Scholar, > > had found 4 Indian Graves under an overhang and sent his find to some > > museum. > > > > Sorry if I bored any of you, but hope your delete button still works- > > many books could be written on this area of many former Tennessee and > > other Frontiersmen > > > > Take care, > > Charles A. Wyly > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > > -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >