Well put,,,,, eva ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcia Kalapus" <stanmar@comcast.net> To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [ERATH] Scotch-Irish/Scots-Irish > What difference does it really make whether its Scotch or Scots.......its > preference and it means the same thing ..........the important thing is to > learn about our ancestors , when they came to this counrty and why and to > share it with others on the message boards. when feasible .... to not > acknowledge that it means the same , many who stand on the firm lines of one > set definition , may miss out on getting vital answers or needed > information to complete their trees........ the same thing happens over the > spellings of names ..... I have so many different variations of spellings of > some of my ancestors that I would have missed many opportunities of > information gathering, if I hadn't appreciated the fact that some of my > ancestors couldn't read and write and couldn't spell either.......The most > important thing is to be proud of who we are and where we came from and call > ourselves what is comfortable to us, and I am a Scots-Irish descendent and > I'm not arguing... Ha!....... Good luck to all in your research........... > Cyndislist.com and South Carolina Scots-Irish is a good site also for > information on this subject. as well North Carolina ......M.Kalapus > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick and Susan" <rickandsusan@swva.net> > To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:03 PM > Subject: [ERATH] Scotch-Irish/Scots-Irish > > > > Well we have quite a discussion going on here. > > My Grandfather Carvin was very proud to be Scotch-Irish. When I was a > teenager back in the 1960s, someone rudely scolded my Grandmother Carvin by > telling her it was Scots-Irish, not Scotch-Irish. And that Scotch was a > drink! I say rudely because she was so embarrassed, the term Scots-Irish > stuck with her. > > My Grandfather maintained firmly that he was Scotch-Irish. > > > > The RootsWeb mailing list is for Scotch-Irish. And the list owner had a > discussion about how Scotch-Irish is the correct American term a year ago. > > "If all else fails, I will retreat up the valley of Virginia, plant my > flag on the Blue Ridge, rally around the Scotch-Irish of that region, and > make my last stand for liberty amongst a people who will never submit to > British tyranny whilst there is a man left to draw a trigger. George > Washington, at Valley Forge."BTW this is where we live. > > > > "There has been some controversy as to the term, "Scotch-Irish." The term > "Scotch-Irish" supposedly originated in mid-eighteenth century America to > distinguish the Ulster Presbyterian emigrants of Scottish ancestry from > other Irish settlers in the colonies. But the first to use the term, > Scotch-Irish, was Queen Elizabeth as far back as 1573 when in a manifesto > she said "....We are given to understand that a nobleman names "Sorley Boy," > and others, who be of the Scotch-Irish race, and some of the wild Irish, at > this time are content to acknowledge our true and mere right to the country > of Ulster and the Crown of Ireland...." Its obvious from this that the > Scotch Irish as a people have been recognized to have existed some 500 years > ago. > > > > "In America the first to use the term was by Sir Thomas Laurence Secretary > of Maryland when in June of 1695, he said; "In the counties of Dorchester > and Somerest, where the Scotch-Irish are numerous, they clothe themselves by > their linen and woolen manufactures." > > > > "And an Anglican minister named George Ross wrote in 1753: "They call > themselves Scotch-Irish, and are the bitterest railers against the Church of > England that ever trod on American ground."For almost a hundred years the > term seems to have disappeared, until the influx of the Catholic Irish > during the potato famine of 1845-46. > > > > "In order to distinguish themselves and their ancestors for the newly > arriving Catholic Irish they revived the rarely used term of Scotch-Irish > and it stuck. So now after 150 years of common use it at last expresses a > historical reality, no other word is quite able to fulfill. > > > > "The term is seldom used in Northern Ireland, Scotland or Britain, they > prefer Ulsterman or Ulster Scot but none the less these are the same people > separated only by distance and time." From > http://www.scotchirish.net/What%20about%20the%20name.php4 > > > > I could give pages of quotes on the correct term being Scotch-Irish. But > on many of the sites, the name Scots-Irish is used also. In books for sale > the two names are used in titles. Another example is this "The Scotch-Irish > Foundation (PO Box 181, Bryn Mawr, PA 19010) was established as a > Pennsylvania non-profit corporation in 1949, specifically to collect records > relating to the Scots-Irish and to preserve their history." It seems to be > used interchangeably today. I say today, because I haven't yet found any old > quotes using the name Scots-Irish. > > > > So I will continue to say that Scotch-Irish is the correct term according > to the old ways. Others may say Scots-Irish is the correct term. And it is > very Scot to argue about it to the "death". But I am done. > > > > Susan > > > > In the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many Irish in the past and present for reasons only apparent to them > selves have always had a problem with the term. As long ago as 1897 Irish > American Historical Society tried to debunk the term as a new finagled > notion, promulgated in America and born of sheer ignorance and pharisaical > Calvinistic pride. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Charles Blakley > > To: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 11:23 PM > > Subject: Re: [ERATH] Skin colors > > > > > > > > > > Although it is not politically correct in some circles, I still consider > > myself to be Scotch-Irish. > > > > That's what my Dad said I was, and I've found nothing in my background > > to lead me to a different conclusion. > > > > > Blakely/Murphree/Blackburn/Hancock/Goyne/Byars/White/Woodard/Burson/McInish/ > Ray/ > > Buckner/Phillips/Nall/Winder/Herrin > > etc. etc. > > > > > > mygen@att.net wrote: > > > > >Scots-Irish is the correct term. > > > > > >-------------- Original message from Rick and Susan > <rickandsusan@swva.net>: > > >-------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>The term Scotch-Irish is an American invention for the Scots that > moved to > > >>Ireland for nearly a century & then moved to America. So sez the > Scotch-Irish > > >>mailing list administrator. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >