Although it is not politically correct in some circles, I still consider myself to be Scotch-Irish. That's what my Dad said I was, and I've found nothing in my background to lead me to a different conclusion. Blakely/Murphree/Blackburn/Hancock/Goyne/Byars/White/Woodard/Burson/McInish/Ray/ Buckner/Phillips/Nall/Winder/Herrin etc. etc. mygen@att.net wrote: >Scots-Irish is the correct term. > >-------------- Original message from Rick and Susan <rickandsusan@swva.net>: >-------------- > > > > >>The term Scotch-Irish is an American invention for the Scots that moved to >>Ireland for nearly a century & then moved to America. So sez the Scotch-Irish >>mailing list administrator. >> >> >> > >

Could you tell me about the name Byars, please? We have a daughter-in-law that Byars was her maiden name. Thanks. Dortha ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Blakley" <geneb@htcomp.net> To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [ERATH] Skin colors > > > Although it is not politically correct in some circles, I still consider > myself to be Scotch-Irish. > > That's what my Dad said I was, and I've found nothing in my background > to lead me to a different conclusion. > > Blakely/Murphree/Blackburn/Hancock/Goyne/Byars/White/Woodard/Burson/McInish/Ray/ > Buckner/Phillips/Nall/Winder/Herrin > etc. etc. > > > mygen@att.net wrote: > >>Scots-Irish is the correct term. >> >>-------------- Original message from Rick and Susan >><rickandsusan@swva.net>: >>-------------- >> >> >> >> >>>The term Scotch-Irish is an American invention for the Scots that moved >>>to >>>Ireland for nearly a century & then moved to America. So sez the >>>Scotch-Irish >>>mailing list administrator. >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

Dortha, one of my earlier Byars ancestors was Stripling Byars, who d. in Jefferson Co. AL in the 1830s.His daughter, Elizabeth, m. my John Goyne there before their descendants continued their migration west to Hamilton County. Dortha Greenlee wrote: > Could you tell me about the name Byars, please? We have a > daughter-in-law that Byars was her maiden name. Thanks. > > Dortha > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Blakley" <geneb@htcomp.net> > To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 10:23 PM > Subject: Re: [ERATH] Skin colors > > >> >> >> Although it is not politically correct in some circles, I still consider >> myself to be Scotch-Irish. >> >> That's what my Dad said I was, and I've found nothing in my background >> to lead me to a different conclusion. >> >> Blakely/Murphree/Blackburn/Hancock/Goyne/Byars/White/Woodard/Burson/McInish/Ray/ >> >> Buckner/Phillips/Nall/Winder/Herrin >> etc. etc. >> >> >> mygen@att.net wrote: >> >>> Scots-Irish is the correct term. >>> >>> -------------- Original message from Rick and Susan >>> <rickandsusan@swva.net>: >>> -------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> The term Scotch-Irish is an American invention for the Scots that >>>> moved to >>>> Ireland for nearly a century & then moved to America. So sez the >>>> Scotch-Irish >>>> mailing list administrator. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== >> --- Author Retains Copyright --- >> -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved >> Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com >> Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com >> ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >> >> > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > >

Well we have quite a discussion going on here. My Grandfather Carvin was very proud to be Scotch-Irish. When I was a teenager back in the 1960s, someone rudely scolded my Grandmother Carvin by telling her it was Scots-Irish, not Scotch-Irish. And that Scotch was a drink! I say rudely because she was so embarrassed, the term Scots-Irish stuck with her. My Grandfather maintained firmly that he was Scotch-Irish. The RootsWeb mailing list is for Scotch-Irish. And the list owner had a discussion about how Scotch-Irish is the correct American term a year ago. "If all else fails, I will retreat up the valley of Virginia, plant my flag on the Blue Ridge, rally around the Scotch-Irish of that region, and make my last stand for liberty amongst a people who will never submit to British tyranny whilst there is a man left to draw a trigger. George Washington, at Valley Forge."BTW this is where we live. "There has been some controversy as to the term, "Scotch-Irish." The term "Scotch-Irish" supposedly originated in mid-eighteenth century America to distinguish the Ulster Presbyterian emigrants of Scottish ancestry from other Irish settlers in the colonies. But the first to use the term, Scotch-Irish, was Queen Elizabeth as far back as 1573 when in a manifesto she said "....We are given to understand that a nobleman names "Sorley Boy," and others, who be of the Scotch-Irish race, and some of the wild Irish, at this time are content to acknowledge our true and mere right to the country of Ulster and the Crown of Ireland...." Its obvious from this that the Scotch Irish as a people have been recognized to have existed some 500 years ago. "In America the first to use the term was by Sir Thomas Laurence Secretary of Maryland when in June of 1695, he said; "In the counties of Dorchester and Somerest, where the Scotch-Irish are numerous, they clothe themselves by their linen and woolen manufactures." "And an Anglican minister named George Ross wrote in 1753: "They call themselves Scotch-Irish, and are the bitterest railers against the Church of England that ever trod on American ground."For almost a hundred years the term seems to have disappeared, until the influx of the Catholic Irish during the potato famine of 1845-46. "In order to distinguish themselves and their ancestors for the newly arriving Catholic Irish they revived the rarely used term of Scotch-Irish and it stuck. So now after 150 years of common use it at last expresses a historical reality, no other word is quite able to fulfill. "The term is seldom used in Northern Ireland, Scotland or Britain, they prefer Ulsterman or Ulster Scot but none the less these are the same people separated only by distance and time." From http://www.scotchirish.net/What%20about%20the%20name.php4 I could give pages of quotes on the correct term being Scotch-Irish. But on many of the sites, the name Scots-Irish is used also. In books for sale the two names are used in titles. Another example is this "The Scotch-Irish Foundation (PO Box 181, Bryn Mawr, PA 19010) was established as a Pennsylvania non-profit corporation in 1949, specifically to collect records relating to the Scots-Irish and to preserve their history." It seems to be used interchangeably today. I say today, because I haven't yet found any old quotes using the name Scots-Irish. So I will continue to say that Scotch-Irish is the correct term according to the old ways. Others may say Scots-Irish is the correct term. And it is very Scot to argue about it to the "death". But I am done. Susan In the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia Many Irish in the past and present for reasons only apparent to them selves have always had a problem with the term. As long ago as 1897 Irish American Historical Society tried to debunk the term as a new finagled notion, promulgated in America and born of sheer ignorance and pharisaical Calvinistic pride. ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Blakley To: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [ERATH] Skin colors Although it is not politically correct in some circles, I still consider myself to be Scotch-Irish. That's what my Dad said I was, and I've found nothing in my background to lead me to a different conclusion. Blakely/Murphree/Blackburn/Hancock/Goyne/Byars/White/Woodard/Burson/McInish/Ray/ Buckner/Phillips/Nall/Winder/Herrin etc. etc. mygen@att.net wrote: >Scots-Irish is the correct term. > >-------------- Original message from Rick and Susan <rickandsusan@swva.net>: >-------------- > > > > >>The term Scotch-Irish is an American invention for the Scots that moved to >>Ireland for nearly a century & then moved to America. So sez the Scotch-Irish >>mailing list administrator. >> >> >> > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== --- Author Retains Copyright --- -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

lol Susan,,,,,,,,,,,,well researched I enjoyed reading it,,,,,,,,,,I wonder if i have scotch irish blood lol eva ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick and Susan" <rickandsusan@swva.net> To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:03 PM Subject: [ERATH] Scotch-Irish/Scots-Irish > Well we have quite a discussion going on here. > My Grandfather Carvin was very proud to be Scotch-Irish. When I was a teenager back in the 1960s, someone rudely scolded my Grandmother Carvin by telling her it was Scots-Irish, not Scotch-Irish. And that Scotch was a drink! I say rudely because she was so embarrassed, the term Scots-Irish stuck with her. > My Grandfather maintained firmly that he was Scotch-Irish. > > The RootsWeb mailing list is for Scotch-Irish. And the list owner had a discussion about how Scotch-Irish is the correct American term a year ago. > "If all else fails, I will retreat up the valley of Virginia, plant my flag on the Blue Ridge, rally around the Scotch-Irish of that region, and make my last stand for liberty amongst a people who will never submit to British tyranny whilst there is a man left to draw a trigger. George Washington, at Valley Forge."BTW this is where we live. > > "There has been some controversy as to the term, "Scotch-Irish." The term "Scotch-Irish" supposedly originated in mid-eighteenth century America to distinguish the Ulster Presbyterian emigrants of Scottish ancestry from other Irish settlers in the colonies. But the first to use the term, Scotch-Irish, was Queen Elizabeth as far back as 1573 when in a manifesto she said "....We are given to understand that a nobleman names "Sorley Boy," and others, who be of the Scotch-Irish race, and some of the wild Irish, at this time are content to acknowledge our true and mere right to the country of Ulster and the Crown of Ireland...." Its obvious from this that the Scotch Irish as a people have been recognized to have existed some 500 years ago. > > "In America the first to use the term was by Sir Thomas Laurence Secretary of Maryland when in June of 1695, he said; "In the counties of Dorchester and Somerest, where the Scotch-Irish are numerous, they clothe themselves by their linen and woolen manufactures." > > "And an Anglican minister named George Ross wrote in 1753: "They call themselves Scotch-Irish, and are the bitterest railers against the Church of England that ever trod on American ground."For almost a hundred years the term seems to have disappeared, until the influx of the Catholic Irish during the potato famine of 1845-46. > > "In order to distinguish themselves and their ancestors for the newly arriving Catholic Irish they revived the rarely used term of Scotch-Irish and it stuck. So now after 150 years of common use it at last expresses a historical reality, no other word is quite able to fulfill. > > "The term is seldom used in Northern Ireland, Scotland or Britain, they prefer Ulsterman or Ulster Scot but none the less these are the same people separated only by distance and time." From http://www.scotchirish.net/What%20about%20the%20name.php4 > > I could give pages of quotes on the correct term being Scotch-Irish. But on many of the sites, the name Scots-Irish is used also. In books for sale the two names are used in titles. Another example is this "The Scotch-Irish Foundation (PO Box 181, Bryn Mawr, PA 19010) was established as a Pennsylvania non-profit corporation in 1949, specifically to collect records relating to the Scots-Irish and to preserve their history." It seems to be used interchangeably today. I say today, because I haven't yet found any old quotes using the name Scots-Irish. > > So I will continue to say that Scotch-Irish is the correct term according to the old ways. Others may say Scots-Irish is the correct term. And it is very Scot to argue about it to the "death". But I am done. > > Susan > > In the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia > > > > > > > > Many Irish in the past and present for reasons only apparent to them selves have always had a problem with the term. As long ago as 1897 Irish American Historical Society tried to debunk the term as a new finagled notion, promulgated in America and born of sheer ignorance and pharisaical Calvinistic pride. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Charles Blakley > To: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 11:23 PM > Subject: Re: [ERATH] Skin colors > > > > > Although it is not politically correct in some circles, I still consider > myself to be Scotch-Irish. > > That's what my Dad said I was, and I've found nothing in my background > to lead me to a different conclusion. > > Blakely/Murphree/Blackburn/Hancock/Goyne/Byars/White/Woodard/Burson/McInish/ Ray/ > Buckner/Phillips/Nall/Winder/Herrin > etc. etc. > > > mygen@att.net wrote: > > >Scots-Irish is the correct term. > > > >-------------- Original message from Rick and Susan <rickandsusan@swva.net>: > >-------------- > > > > > > > > > >>The term Scotch-Irish is an American invention for the Scots that moved to > >>Ireland for nearly a century & then moved to America. So sez the Scotch-Irish > >>mailing list administrator. > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >

What difference does it really make whether its Scotch or Scots.......its preference and it means the same thing ..........the important thing is to learn about our ancestors , when they came to this counrty and why and to share it with others on the message boards. when feasible .... to not acknowledge that it means the same , many who stand on the firm lines of one set definition , may miss out on getting vital answers or needed information to complete their trees........ the same thing happens over the spellings of names ..... I have so many different variations of spellings of some of my ancestors that I would have missed many opportunities of information gathering, if I hadn't appreciated the fact that some of my ancestors couldn't read and write and couldn't spell either.......The most important thing is to be proud of who we are and where we came from and call ourselves what is comfortable to us, and I am a Scots-Irish descendent and I'm not arguing... Ha!....... Good luck to all in your research........... Cyndislist.com and South Carolina Scots-Irish is a good site also for information on this subject. as well North Carolina ......M.Kalapus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick and Susan" <rickandsusan@swva.net> To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:03 PM Subject: [ERATH] Scotch-Irish/Scots-Irish > Well we have quite a discussion going on here. > My Grandfather Carvin was very proud to be Scotch-Irish. When I was a teenager back in the 1960s, someone rudely scolded my Grandmother Carvin by telling her it was Scots-Irish, not Scotch-Irish. And that Scotch was a drink! I say rudely because she was so embarrassed, the term Scots-Irish stuck with her. > My Grandfather maintained firmly that he was Scotch-Irish. > > The RootsWeb mailing list is for Scotch-Irish. And the list owner had a discussion about how Scotch-Irish is the correct American term a year ago. > "If all else fails, I will retreat up the valley of Virginia, plant my flag on the Blue Ridge, rally around the Scotch-Irish of that region, and make my last stand for liberty amongst a people who will never submit to British tyranny whilst there is a man left to draw a trigger. George Washington, at Valley Forge."BTW this is where we live. > > "There has been some controversy as to the term, "Scotch-Irish." The term "Scotch-Irish" supposedly originated in mid-eighteenth century America to distinguish the Ulster Presbyterian emigrants of Scottish ancestry from other Irish settlers in the colonies. But the first to use the term, Scotch-Irish, was Queen Elizabeth as far back as 1573 when in a manifesto she said "....We are given to understand that a nobleman names "Sorley Boy," and others, who be of the Scotch-Irish race, and some of the wild Irish, at this time are content to acknowledge our true and mere right to the country of Ulster and the Crown of Ireland...." Its obvious from this that the Scotch Irish as a people have been recognized to have existed some 500 years ago. > > "In America the first to use the term was by Sir Thomas Laurence Secretary of Maryland when in June of 1695, he said; "In the counties of Dorchester and Somerest, where the Scotch-Irish are numerous, they clothe themselves by their linen and woolen manufactures." > > "And an Anglican minister named George Ross wrote in 1753: "They call themselves Scotch-Irish, and are the bitterest railers against the Church of England that ever trod on American ground."For almost a hundred years the term seems to have disappeared, until the influx of the Catholic Irish during the potato famine of 1845-46. > > "In order to distinguish themselves and their ancestors for the newly arriving Catholic Irish they revived the rarely used term of Scotch-Irish and it stuck. So now after 150 years of common use it at last expresses a historical reality, no other word is quite able to fulfill. > > "The term is seldom used in Northern Ireland, Scotland or Britain, they prefer Ulsterman or Ulster Scot but none the less these are the same people separated only by distance and time." From http://www.scotchirish.net/What%20about%20the%20name.php4 > > I could give pages of quotes on the correct term being Scotch-Irish. But on many of the sites, the name Scots-Irish is used also. In books for sale the two names are used in titles. Another example is this "The Scotch-Irish Foundation (PO Box 181, Bryn Mawr, PA 19010) was established as a Pennsylvania non-profit corporation in 1949, specifically to collect records relating to the Scots-Irish and to preserve their history." It seems to be used interchangeably today. I say today, because I haven't yet found any old quotes using the name Scots-Irish. > > So I will continue to say that Scotch-Irish is the correct term according to the old ways. Others may say Scots-Irish is the correct term. And it is very Scot to argue about it to the "death". But I am done. > > Susan > > In the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia > > > > > > > > Many Irish in the past and present for reasons only apparent to them selves have always had a problem with the term. As long ago as 1897 Irish American Historical Society tried to debunk the term as a new finagled notion, promulgated in America and born of sheer ignorance and pharisaical Calvinistic pride. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Charles Blakley > To: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 11:23 PM > Subject: Re: [ERATH] Skin colors > > > > > Although it is not politically correct in some circles, I still consider > myself to be Scotch-Irish. > > That's what my Dad said I was, and I've found nothing in my background > to lead me to a different conclusion. > > Blakely/Murphree/Blackburn/Hancock/Goyne/Byars/White/Woodard/Burson/McInish/ Ray/ > Buckner/Phillips/Nall/Winder/Herrin > etc. etc. > > > mygen@att.net wrote: > > >Scots-Irish is the correct term. > > > >-------------- Original message from Rick and Susan <rickandsusan@swva.net>: > >-------------- > > > > > > > > > >>The term Scotch-Irish is an American invention for the Scots that moved to > >>Ireland for nearly a century & then moved to America. So sez the Scotch-Irish > >>mailing list administrator. > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >