Hi, If he names you are hunting are German- let me know. I have names on the Historic Marker and gravesite of Texas Germans killed while going to Mexico and stay out of the Civil War. They had just lost the Aborptive Revolution in Germany and felt secession was wrong- and the Federal Govt should be setting up training schools and subsidize former slaveholders for their loss and the Union should not be broken up. Germans of that era mostly supported 3rd party candidate- either Breckenridge or Buchannan. Texas Partizan Rangers attacked them at night with guns blazing while the Germans were having Vespers and preparing for sleep without posted guards.Hermanson Lodges or Sons of herman nationwide supported the third party Candidate. Lincoln was a Minority President- but he served anyway. Maybe we need Presidential Runoffs??? These men were not buried for 3 years and Coyotes had scaterred their bones. Bones were buried on Old Comfort School yard and a monument erected. For over 100 years , when the Texas flag was raised by students, others laid roses or flowers on the Monument. Not all Confederate Partizan Rangers were as corrupt as Capt. McDuff- a Lt. McRae was always sent out on other duties when captured "Outlaws" were executed for "Trying to Escape. " One of the officers faced McDuff down one one day and called him a cold blooded killer with not enough guts to draw on him while looking him in the eye.He was a reject from other armies and described by some as resembling a Bull Frog. Women and kids in new Braunfels were placed behind Barb Wire stockade for a short time after that. Seems that some of McDuff's men and/or some Comanchero Indian half breeds were raiding frontier German homes.and blaming German Outlaws. They did not have friendly Caddoes and Intermarrieds betwen them and Indian raiders as did Erath County folk during the Civil War. That was the intention of the Partizan Rangers (Not Texas Rangers)- to protect the Frontier Homeland in absence of other troops and Texas Rangers in the Army. . Raiders captured several German children , tied them to horses, and ate roadkill and were in Big Spring in 2 days with little sleep. Even then they tied the legs of the children around a tree to sleep- with bleeding legs- but several survived. . This is recorded by a German who was captured and rescued years later- a Herman - Lehman? Don't remember his last name but have it in records if you need it.When he returned to Fredricksburg to live with his sisters, he spoke German, English, and Apache or Comanche. he preferred sleeping outside, and one night, while attending a Methodist Revival with Mourners or Seeker's Bench, he got carried away and stood on a bench in the street- on the back bench- and let out an apropriate War Whoop. He emptied the outdoor worship area in the street in a rapid rate. One home from this German area- rock- was moved to the Texas Tech outdoor Pioneer Museum with its Windmill. Most 2 Story Rock homes in Erath County were built from Rock Church down the Paluxy and towards Chak Mountain. Underwoods from Tennessee built some of them. The story in the book was also published in either True West or Frontier Times, edited by Dr. Walter Prescott Webb of University of Texas in Austin. I am still not sure if this was what some called the Battle of The neuces- one of the last of the Civil War- but there was no Battle- and within 2 days there were no German survivors. One could spend a month or 2 coverring the area you spoke of. There are over 20 Cemeteries on Fort Hood and a Fort Hood office has a record of all buried there. Plans were at one time to bring Fort Hood to Valley Mills Ranch- 30 years ago- but was not done. From Lampassas County south is all Old German Country of those who left Germany for Texas during Aborptive Rev. My sources for the above are from Secondary Translations of Texas Gernans in University of North Texas Library and the magazines mentioned which match,. This a large collection of German Texas books and magazines printed for immigrant families with equivalent of a Junior College Education. Take care, Charles A. Wyly On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:02:08 -0500 "Lewis" <[email protected]> writes: > i just returned saturday from THE GREAT STATE OF TEXAS and some > great places. > > i stayed one night in johnson city and met pat althaus tuesday at > her > ofice in the courthouse. she is a fine lady and pretty well versed > on > blanco county and its history. she helped me find post oak cemetery > where i located the grave of a 3d great grandfather and i took pics > of > quite a few headstones there. i also photographed stones in > gillespies stonewall and trinity lutheran cemeteries. > > spent the next night in fredericksburg. went to llano for cooper's > bbq. > could not find anyone to help with the stadt friedhof or greenwood > cemeteries so i left the next morning for mason. located and > stopped > at the gooch cemetery but could not locate my relative's grave there > and i went on to coleman to meet up with a cousin who works with > me on family history. in mccolloch county i stopped at fife > cemetery > and photographed almost all stones in it - a few were unreadable. > > we went on to abilene and while there i was in anson and stamford. > took a few fotos in stamford's cemetery but we failed to locate the > gravesite of our relative there. > > i returned to louisiana saturday via gustine in comanche county. > stopped in at gustine and met a distant cousin and quite a few of > his > folks. i took a few fotos in the evergreen cemetery there and later > took > a lot in the hazeldell cemetery. > > i wanted to stop in gatesville to visit a lady but was just too > tired and > ready to get back here. > > me and my cousin are researching: westfall, cauley, blanco county > smith, > george webb slaughter and i am researching mother's family - feeler, > from > callahan, crane, upton and ector counties. > > lewis westfall > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

charles, my family, westfall, was all of german extraction but had been in the country since 1640 so the germanic sympathy was limited or nil. there are at least tswo i can recall off the top of my head that served in CSA service. of the lindig line i have little or no knowledge thanks lewis westfall *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 9/22/2003 at 4:18 PM Charles A. Wyly wrote: Hi, If he names you are hunting are German- let me know. I have names on the Historic Marker and gravesite of Texas Germans killed while going to Mexico and stay out of the Civil War. They had just lost the Aborptive Revolution in Germany and felt secession was wrong- and the Federal Govt should be setting up training schools and subsidize former slaveholders for their loss and the Union should not be broken up. Germans of that era mostly supported 3rd party candidate- either Breckenridge or Buchannan. Texas Partizan Rangers attacked them at night with guns blazing while the Germans were having Vespers and preparing for sleep without posted guards.Hermanson Lodges or Sons of herman nationwide supported the third party Candidate. Lincoln was a Minority President- but he served anyway. Maybe we need Presidential Runoffs??? These men were not buried for 3 years and Coyotes had scaterred their bones. Bones were buried on Old Comfort School yard and a monument erected. For over 100 years , when the Texas flag was raised by students, others laid roses or flowers on the Monument. Not all Confederate Partizan Rangers were as corrupt as Capt. McDuff- a Lt. McRae was always sent out on other duties when captured "Outlaws" were executed for "Trying to Escape. " One of the officers faced McDuff down one one day and called him a cold blooded killer with not enough guts to draw on him while looking him in the eye.He was a reject from other armies and described by some as resembling a Bull Frog. Women and kids in new Braunfels were placed behind Barb Wire stockade for a short time after that. Seems that some of McDuff's men and/or some Comanchero Indian half breeds were raiding frontier German homes.and blaming German Outlaws. They did not have friendly Caddoes and Intermarrieds betwen them and Indian raiders as did Erath County folk during the Civil War. That was the intention of the Partizan Rangers (Not Texas Rangers)- to protect the Frontier Homeland in absence of other troops and Texas Rangers in the Army. . Raiders captured several German children , tied them to horses, and ate roadkill and were in Big Spring in 2 days with little sleep. Even then they tied the legs of the children around a tree to sleep- with bleeding legs- but several survived. . This is recorded by a German who was captured and rescued years later- a Herman - Lehman? Don't remember his last name but have it in records if you need it.When he returned to Fredricksburg to live with his sisters, he spoke German, English, and Apache or Comanche. he preferred sleeping outside, and one night, while attending a Methodist Revival with Mourners or Seeker's Bench, he got carried away and stood on a bench in the street- on the back bench- and let out an apropriate War Whoop. He emptied the outdoor worship area in the street in a rapid rate. One home from this German area- rock- was moved to the Texas Tech outdoor Pioneer Museum with its Windmill. Most 2 Story Rock homes in Erath County were built from Rock Church down the Paluxy and towards Chak Mountain. Underwoods from Tennessee built some of them. The story in the book was also published in either True West or Frontier Times, edited by Dr. Walter Prescott Webb of University of Texas in Austin. I am still not sure if this was what some called the Battle of The neuces- one of the last of the Civil War- but there was no Battle- and within 2 days there were no German survivors. One could spend a month or 2 coverring the area you spoke of. There are over 20 Cemeteries on Fort Hood and a Fort Hood office has a record of all buried there. Plans were at one time to bring Fort Hood to Valley Mills Ranch- 30 years ago- but was not done. From Lampassas County south is all Old German Country of those who left Germany for Texas during Aborptive Rev. My sources for the above are from Secondary Translations of Texas Gernans in University of North Texas Library and the magazines mentioned which match,. This a large collection of German Texas books and magazines printed for immigrant families with equivalent of a Junior College Education. Take care, Charles A. Wyly On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:02:08 -0500 "Lewis" <[email protected]> writes: > i just returned saturday from THE GREAT STATE OF TEXAS and some > great places. > > i stayed one night in johnson city and met pat althaus tuesday at > her > ofice in the courthouse. she is a fine lady and pretty well versed > on > blanco county and its history. she helped me find post oak cemetery > where i located the grave of a 3d great grandfather and i took pics > of > quite a few headstones there. i also photographed stones in > gillespies stonewall and trinity lutheran cemeteries. > > spent the next night in fredericksburg. went to llano for cooper's > bbq. > could not find anyone to help with the stadt friedhof or greenwood > cemeteries so i left the next morning for mason. located and > stopped > at the gooch cemetery but could not locate my relative's grave there > and i went on to coleman to meet up with a cousin who works with > me on family history. in mccolloch county i stopped at fife > cemetery > and photographed almost all stones in it - a few were unreadable. > > we went on to abilene and while there i was in anson and stamford. > took a few fotos in stamford's cemetery but we failed to locate the > gravesite of our relative there. > > i returned to louisiana saturday via gustine in comanche county. > stopped in at gustine and met a distant cousin and quite a few of > his > folks. i took a few fotos in the evergreen cemetery there and later > took > a lot in the hazeldell cemetery. > > i wanted to stop in gatesville to visit a lady but was just too > tired and > ready to get back here. > > me and my cousin are researching: westfall, cauley, blanco county > smith, > george webb slaughter and i am researching mother's family - feeler, > from > callahan, crane, upton and ector counties. > > lewis westfall > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== --- Author Retains Copyright --- -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl