My gggggrandfather, Matthew Haning came to this country 2 Nov 1752. All records of him ( and he is well documented-- but not by me) as Black Dutch or Pennsylvania Dutch. Matthew was a Palatine German. The Palatines were from the Palatinate State in the old German Empire. Refugees from persecution many came to America and settled, especially in Pa. The definition of palatine, " of or pertaining to a palace, possessing royal privileges, as, a count or earl palatine; an officer of the imperial palace; A NATIVE OR INHABITANT OF THE PALATINATE. " From this definition "palatine" may refer to royalty or simply to persons residing in or natives of the Palatinate state - earls, counts and chimney sweeps alike. Pennsylvania Dutch refers to the High German dialect used by German colonist of the Mennonite faith and other German religious groups many of whom settled in Pa. Although none were from the Netherlands they were referred to as Dutch by the non-German speaking colonists who misunderstood and mispronounced the word "Deutsche". Pronounced like Doysch it sounds like Dutch but Deutsche means German. The Pa. Dutch handle was also liberally used to describe the other Germans in that general area. As to the "Black Dutch" reference it is likely that the term was used to describe the conservative black attire associated with the "Pa. Dutch" and which is still favored by many. The above is from "Matthew Haning (c 1730 - 1807) and Descendants". by the late James Leslie Haning Alice Moore

I'm also doing research on the Keahey family. My great great grandmother was Euphemia Aver Keahey daughter of John P Keahey. Sandra Hill -----Original Message----- From: R F KENNEDY [mailto:roy_bethkennedy@msn.com] Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 11:29 AM To: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ERATH] Genealogy Research My Grandmother Flora May Keahey-Kennedy, may have attended school (possibly somewhere, exact location unknown, in Southern Texas) from 1902 until around 1908-09. In 1902 Flora was six-years old. Her brother, Vernard Arthur Keahey (born 1900) may also have attended school later on. I seek school records on grandma in hopes they will reveal the names of the couple who raised her after her mother (Sarah "Sallie" L. Burd-Keahey) died in 1901. I would greatly appreciate your help in my quest. Thank you for your time and consideration. I remain, hopefully yours Roy Kennedy ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== --- Author Retains Copyright --- -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

Hi Roy Was your Vernard Keahey any kin to Thomas J Keahey, that married Frances Arena King? They had 2 children: Archie Keahey and Elizabeth Keahey. Callie ----- Original Message ----- From: "R F KENNEDY" <roy_bethkennedy@msn.com> To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 11:29 AM Subject: [ERATH] Genealogy Research > My Grandmother Flora May Keahey-Kennedy, may have attended school (possibly > somewhere, exact location unknown, in Southern Texas) from 1902 until around > 1908-09. In 1902 Flora was six-years old. Her brother, Vernard Arthur Keahey > (born 1900) may also have attended school later on. > I seek school records on grandma in hopes they will reveal the names of the > couple who raised her after her mother (Sarah "Sallie" L. Burd-Keahey) died in > 1901. > I would greatly appreciate your help in my quest. Thank you for your time and > consideration. I remain, hopefully yours > > Roy Kennedy > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >

the term was only used in america in the early days. Eva

when tom rogers gets back on line I will get his cousins name who did the research on black dutch. In all the research I did and he did,,,,,,,,it was obvious the term was used to cover up the real ethnic background of a person who was usually of an ethnic background that was black, indian or dark, arab, jewish and gypsy. If they had swarthy skin and could say they were black dutch,,,,,,then for some reason people accepted that. But tom's cousin wrote a book on it and he is a geneaologist researcher. I know this book would help y'all to understand there is no such thing as black dutch. Eva

Mike are they drilling for oil or gas eva ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Furman" <mefurman@wayfarer1.com> To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [ERATH] Old Erath > Dear Erath fans, > Wonders never cease! Mr grandfather, John P. Kay, died about 1937, and last > month my cousins and I were informed he held mineral rights on little pieces > of land in Erath County. A company wants to drill, so we all signed before > a notary as to our identity and now have an extra $100 bucks with dreams of > more should anything spurt up! Granddad Kay was broke when he died. He had > several farms/ranches around Seldon at one time, but Granny always said he > was a master at making bad deals. Wouldn't he be happy? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "emrog" <emrog@htcomp.net> > To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 11:53 AM > Subject: [ERATH] Old Erath > > > >I talked to Todd,,,,,,he is not happy with the way the book is bound,,,,,,, > > > > I saw it and thought it was ok,,,,,,,,,,lol > > > > But Todd being the perfectionist,,,,,,,,,,is doing the binding > > over,,,,,,,,,therefore there will > > be a slight delay. > > > > Eva > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >

Dear Erath fans, Wonders never cease! Mr grandfather, John P. Kay, died about 1937, and last month my cousins and I were informed he held mineral rights on little pieces of land in Erath County. A company wants to drill, so we all signed before a notary as to our identity and now have an extra $100 bucks with dreams of more should anything spurt up! Granddad Kay was broke when he died. He had several farms/ranches around Seldon at one time, but Granny always said he was a master at making bad deals. Wouldn't he be happy? ----- Original Message ----- From: "emrog" <emrog@htcomp.net> To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 11:53 AM Subject: [ERATH] Old Erath >I talked to Todd,,,,,,he is not happy with the way the book is bound,,,,,,, > > I saw it and thought it was ok,,,,,,,,,,lol > > But Todd being the perfectionist,,,,,,,,,,is doing the binding > over,,,,,,,,,therefore there will > be a slight delay. > > Eva > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > >

http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/cgi-bin/aris/maps/maplookup.php3?mapnum=4599 Hope this helps. Sarah :) --- emrog <emrog@htcomp.net> wrote: > Margaret can you get a copy of that map made > > Eva > ===== Sarah Herring Claburn http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=sarclaburn Researching: Herring - Thornton - Sechrist - Lammert - Timian - Torrans - Squyres - Claburn __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/arc/maps/copies.html I found this information. Sarah :) --- Cindy Shipman <cshipman@htcomp.net> wrote: > I have a copy of this map too (or one about the same > time period). I ordered > it from the Texas State Archives ... I think they > charged $1 plus postage. ===== Sarah Herring Claburn http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=sarclaburn Researching: Herring - Thornton - Sechrist - Lammert - Timian - Torrans - Squyres - Claburn __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo

What book is this? Sarah :) > > Eva, > > where are our Grand Ole Erath book reprints? Did > mine get lost in the > > mail? > > Charles ===== Sarah Herring Claburn http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=sarclaburn Researching: Herring - Thornton - Sechrist - Lammert - Timian - Torrans - Squyres - Claburn __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

I have always been told I was Black Irish (on the Sechrist side), which meant we are fair skinned and dark haired as opposed to red heads. Sarah C. ===== Sarah Herring Claburn http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=sarclaburn Researching: Herring - Thornton - Sechrist - Lammert - Timian - Torrans - Squyres - Claburn __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

This is the original site,I went to. I got it off my old computer. Callie http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~mtnties/mlgnfaq.html Frequently Asked Questions About Melungeons a.. Who or What are Melungeons? b.. Who Are the Melungeons? c.. What are the Physical Characteristics of the Melungeons? d.. What are the Common Melungeon and Melungeon-Related Surnames? e.. What are the Common Melungeon and Melungeon-Related Surnames by Geographic Area? f.. Who are the Melungeons Related To? g.. What other sources of information are available about the Melungeons? h.. What about my Grandmother/father who was an Indian Maiden/Warrior? i.. What Mediterrean Diseases may Affect Melungeon Descendants? j.. Avoiding Pitfalls in Melungeon Research by Pat Spurlock (link to William (Bill) A. Waller's Homepage) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have a question or would like to contribute information, please email Martha Short.

The term Scotch-Irish is an American invention for the Scots that moved to Ireland for nearly a century & then moved to America. So sez the Scotch-Irish mailing list administrator. The question I have in this discussion is about the skin color of the Spanish. Since they are Europeans, their skin color would not be much different than the rest of Europe. They also have Celts with very white skin. (The Mexicans also have the darker Indian skin colors of the tribes native to Mexico.) I also understood the darker skin of Germans came from their Aryan roots? And then in most of Europe would include some Arab bloodlines from the Moor's invasions? Just my thoughts? Susan

There are a lot of sites on Google that tell a lot of different versions of all this, not just Indians. I just happened to choose that URL. I didn't know it just told about Black Dutch Indians. I assumed it told about the spainards also. Callie ----- Original Message ----- From: <mygen@att.net> To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [ERATH] Black Dutch indians > Just because the Neatherlands and Germany say that they don't have any records > of a group known as "Black Dutch" doesn't mean that they didn't exist. > Remember.....the term "Scots-Irish" doesn't exist is Great Britain either. > > Margaret > > -------------- Original message from emrog <emrog@htcomp.net>: -------------- > > > > Dorothy that is one of the old stories they told to cover up their real > > ethnic backgound,,,,,,,,,,,.like I said I called the > > netherlands,,,,,,,,,,,they have no records of a group known as black > > dutch,,,,,,,i even called germany. > > > > eva > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 8:53 PM > > Subject: Re: [ERATH] Black Dutch indians > > > > > > > I don't know about the black Dutch Indians. My grandmother was black > > dutch. > > > > > > Her story was that in old days, Spain invaded Holland. Holland girls > > either > > > married the Spaniards or became pregnant by the Spaniards. When these > > > children were born, they had darker skin, ths were called black Dutch. > > I've > > > read > > > this somewhere, can't remember where at this time. > > > > > > Dorothy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > > > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > > > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > > > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >

You would probably have to go to an Architect place that prints up house blueprints. Callie ----- Original Message ----- From: <mygen@att.net> To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [ERATH] Erath 1896 map > I will have to do some checking. I know that it is too big to fit on my > scanner. > > Margaret > > -------------- Original message from emrog <emrog@htcomp.net>: -------------- > > > > Margaret can you get a copy of that map made > > > > Eva > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 4:51 PM > > Subject: [ERATH] Erath 1896 map > > > > > > > I have an 1896 map of Erath County that shows all of the land owners at > > that > > > time and a few from neighboring Hood and Palo Pinto Counties. The map is > > 18" by > > > 24". The printing is very small and a lot of it must be read with a > > magnifying > > > glass. I ordered it from > > > > > > KJ5KE > > > Tim W. Seawolf > > > P.O. Box 3282 > > > Quail Valley, CA 92587 > > > > > > about 5 years ago. I do not remember how much it cost. > > > > > > As time allows, I will do look ups on the map if you can tell be the > > general > > > area of the county where you think that your ancestor might have been in > > 1896. > > > > > > Please do not send requests to the list, but to me instead. Put 1896 map > > in the > > > subject line. > > > > > > Margaret McCleskey, Arlington, Texas > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > > > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > > > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > > > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >

I will have to do some checking. I know that it is too big to fit on my scanner. Margaret -------------- Original message from emrog <emrog@htcomp.net>: -------------- > Margaret can you get a copy of that map made > > Eva > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 4:51 PM > Subject: [ERATH] Erath 1896 map > > > > I have an 1896 map of Erath County that shows all of the land owners at > that > > time and a few from neighboring Hood and Palo Pinto Counties. The map is > 18" by > > 24". The printing is very small and a lot of it must be read with a > magnifying > > glass. I ordered it from > > > > KJ5KE > > Tim W. Seawolf > > P.O. Box 3282 > > Quail Valley, CA 92587 > > > > about 5 years ago. I do not remember how much it cost. > > > > As time allows, I will do look ups on the map if you can tell be the > general > > area of the county where you think that your ancestor might have been in > 1896. > > > > Please do not send requests to the list, but to me instead. Put 1896 map > in the > > subject line. > > > > Margaret McCleskey, Arlington, Texas > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >

Just because the Neatherlands and Germany say that they don't have any records of a group known as "Black Dutch" doesn't mean that they didn't exist. Remember.....the term "Scots-Irish" doesn't exist is Great Britain either. Margaret -------------- Original message from emrog <emrog@htcomp.net>: -------------- > Dorothy that is one of the old stories they told to cover up their real > ethnic backgound,,,,,,,,,,,.like I said I called the > netherlands,,,,,,,,,,,they have no records of a group known as black > dutch,,,,,,,i even called germany. > > eva > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 8:53 PM > Subject: Re: [ERATH] Black Dutch indians > > > > I don't know about the black Dutch Indians. My grandmother was black > dutch. > > > > Her story was that in old days, Spain invaded Holland. Holland girls > either > > married the Spaniards or became pregnant by the Spaniards. When these > > children were born, they had darker skin, ths were called black Dutch. > I've > > read > > this somewhere, can't remember where at this time. > > > > Dorothy > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >

My Grandmother Flora May Keahey-Kennedy, may have attended school (possibly somewhere, exact location unknown, in Southern Texas) from 1902 until around 1908-09. In 1902 Flora was six-years old. Her brother, Vernard Arthur Keahey (born 1900) may also have attended school later on. I seek school records on grandma in hopes they will reveal the names of the couple who raised her after her mother (Sarah "Sallie" L. Burd-Keahey) died in 1901. I would greatly appreciate your help in my quest. Thank you for your time and consideration. I remain, hopefully yours Roy Kennedy

Eva, Thanks for the info. Dorothy

Dorothy that is one of the old stories they told to cover up their real ethnic backgound,,,,,,,,,,,.like I said I called the netherlands,,,,,,,,,,,they have no records of a group known as black dutch,,,,,,,i even called germany. eva ----- Original Message ----- From: <DReid30257@aol.com> To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [ERATH] Black Dutch indians > I don't know about the black Dutch Indians. My grandmother was black dutch. > > Her story was that in old days, Spain invaded Holland. Holland girls either > married the Spaniards or became pregnant by the Spaniards. When these > children were born, they had darker skin, ths were called black Dutch. I've > read > this somewhere, can't remember where at this time. > > Dorothy > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >