Hi, Charles, I just noticed that not all were always moving west. Seems my Ancestor John Copeland was born in Ireland in 1748 and wife Margaret Blakely was born in Ireland in 1788. John died in Duncan Creek Presbyterian Cemetery, South Carolina in 1826, but Margaret's mom, Rachael Orr Blakely, daughter of William John Blakley was buried in Fairview Cemetery, Marian Alabama. Did Margaret ever live in Alabama then move East to Clinton, S.C. or both with roots in Mecklenburg County , N.C. and the older parents going west after John and Margaret were married and had moved to Duncan Creek. ? I have a Copeland Family History for the 1930's Copeland Reunion in Clinton , S.C. which lists down to Grandmother Nancy Hipp Carey , daughter of Charles Madison Hipp and Sarah Copeland of Huricane Baptist Church, S.C.It had all of Grandmother Carey's grandchildren born before that listed in the records printed in South Carolina. I also found a record in Waco City library, Geneaology Department which told of these settlers in Duncan Creek meeting to hear Rev. Hezekiah Balch , press. from Greeneville College, Greeneville, Tennessee . He came by horseback from Greeneville to Duncan Creek and preached to them about the older Documents of Presbyterians who were admonished to refuse Instrumental music in worship and stick to singing the Psalters (Psalms) rather than the "Sinful modern music" like Amazing Grace. Robert Wyly had married Dorcas Balch and gave land or in some way he and Rev. Balch are listed in Cleveland Family History of 1899 as founders of the College. Great Grandad Gov. John Sevier ( 8 times back)and William Blount were on the first Board of Greeneville College (Now Tuscullum)- the oldest Coed College with all courses open to both sexes and oldest west of the Appalachian Ridge in the U.S. it seems our ancestors in Duncan Creek - brought their rifles to church and wore Buckskin Shirts and Legging Wraps and women wore long Sack Dresses and had Deerskin Moccisans similar to the men, except the women had tacked Wood Blocks on them for high heels. Also, The Laurens District land between the Episcopal Bluebloods on the Coast, and some Quakers, was assigned to Presbyterians first- but next generations of Copeland- Dillard- Blakley- White- Hipp-Nabors- Neighbors- Vaughn- Vaughan were mostly Baptist. I visited the Church there by the Huricane Cemetery near Newbury and Duncan Creek. The Charleston group preferred the Scotch- Irish as their inland neighbors to stop the Indian Raids from the Smokies. In other words, they were human barriers. Also, Do you have the connection to the Carleton's Store in Stephenville or the Community of Carleton or the Carleton or Blakley lady who taught our daughter in Walnut Springs first Grade? She lived between the Hwy and the at Park and was retired from Malakoff Schools. She lived next door to Retired Merchant Marine Capt. Mitchell Massey and a block from us. Also, one survivor of a Ww2 Battleship sinking was a Copeland in Oklahoma. One Nephew with Copeland connections claimed that Rev. Kenneth Copeland of Fort Worth we somewhere on the family tree- more like a Kudzu Vine. Take Care, Charles Wyly On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:21:52 -0800 mygen@att.net writes: > Charles, > > I seriously doubt that "political correctness" had anything to do > with it. The > term "Scots-Irish" was around at least 200 years before we became > what was or > was not politically correct. > > Margaret > > -------------- Original message from Charles Blakley > <geneb@htcomp.net>: > -------------- > > > > > > > > Although it is not politically correct in some circles, I still > consider > > myself to be Scotch-Irish. > > > > That's what my Dad said I was, and I've found nothing in my > background > > to lead me to a different conclusion. > > > > > Blakely/Murphree/Blackburn/Hancock/Goyne/Byars/White/Woodard/Burson/McIni sh/Ray/ > > > Buckner/Phillips/Nall/Winder/Herrin > > etc. etc. > > > > > > mygen@att.net wrote: > > > > >Scots-Irish is the correct term. > > > > > >-------------- Original message from Rick and Susan : > > >-------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>The term Scotch-Irish is an American invention for the Scots > that moved to > > >>Ireland for nearly a century & then moved to America. So sez the > Scotch-Irish > > >>mailing list administrator. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

Dortha, one of my earlier Byars ancestors was Stripling Byars, who d. in Jefferson Co. AL in the 1830s.His daughter, Elizabeth, m. my John Goyne there before their descendants continued their migration west to Hamilton County. Dortha Greenlee wrote: > Could you tell me about the name Byars, please? We have a > daughter-in-law that Byars was her maiden name. Thanks. > > Dortha > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Blakley" <geneb@htcomp.net> > To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 10:23 PM > Subject: Re: [ERATH] Skin colors > > >> >> >> Although it is not politically correct in some circles, I still consider >> myself to be Scotch-Irish. >> >> That's what my Dad said I was, and I've found nothing in my background >> to lead me to a different conclusion. >> >> Blakely/Murphree/Blackburn/Hancock/Goyne/Byars/White/Woodard/Burson/McInish/Ray/ >> >> Buckner/Phillips/Nall/Winder/Herrin >> etc. etc. >> >> >> mygen@att.net wrote: >> >>> Scots-Irish is the correct term. >>> >>> -------------- Original message from Rick and Susan >>> <rickandsusan@swva.net>: >>> -------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> The term Scotch-Irish is an American invention for the Scots that >>>> moved to >>>> Ireland for nearly a century & then moved to America. So sez the >>>> Scotch-Irish >>>> mailing list administrator. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== >> --- Author Retains Copyright --- >> -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved >> Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com >> Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com >> ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >> >> > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > >

Well, Queen Elizabeth used the term, Scotch Irish, to describe my folks back in 1573. When was "Scots-Irish" first used? See: http://www.scotchirish.net/What%20about%20the%20name.php4 I haven't researched my ancestors back that far, and certainly not 200 years before then. Most of the early settlers in Erath and surrounding counties were from Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, etc., and had their origins in Scotland, Ireland, and England. I think! mygen@att.net wrote: >Charles, > >I seriously doubt that "political correctness" had anything to do with it. The >term "Scots-Irish" was around at least 200 years before we became what was or >was not politically correct. > >Margaret > >-------------- Original message from Charles Blakley <geneb@htcomp.net>: >-------------- > > > > >>Although it is not politically correct in some circles, I still consider >>myself to be Scotch-Irish. >> >>That's what my Dad said I was, and I've found nothing in my background >>to lead me to a different conclusion. >> >> >> >> >Blakely/Murphree/Blackburn/Hancock/Goyne/Byars/White/Woodard/Burson/McInish/Ray/ > > > >>Buckner/Phillips/Nall/Winder/Herrin >>etc. etc. >> >> >>mygen@att.net wrote: >> >> >> >>>Scots-Irish is the correct term. >>> >>>-------------- Original message from Rick and Susan : >>>-------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>The term Scotch-Irish is an American invention for the Scots that moved to >>>>Ireland for nearly a century & then moved to America. So sez the >>>> >>>> >Scotch-Irish > > >>>>mailing list administrator. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >>==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== >>--- Author Retains Copyright --- >>-- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved >>Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com >>Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com >>ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >> >> >> > > > >==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== >--- Author Retains Copyright --- >-- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved >Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com >Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com >ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > >

Callie - someone may have already responded to your note about the specific map order number...try http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/cgi-bin/aris/maps/maplookup.php3?mapnum=4599 and then click on map 4599. Ordering instructions are posted online. By the way, if you are interested in seeing what Stephenville proper looked like about this time, locate the Sanborn Insurance maps. They are available online through the TexShare Database (if you live in Texas) and other academic facilities. Cindy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Callie Waits" <calliewaits@digitex.net> To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [ERATH] Erath 1896 map > Thank you Cindy. Is there a special number for it? I do want the one with > the Land owners names. Do they make these for other counties? > Thanks for you Response > Callie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cindy Shipman" <cshipman@htcomp.net> > To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 7:36 PM > Subject: Re: [ERATH] Erath 1896 map > > > > Texas State Archives > > Lorenzo de Zavala State Archives & Library Building > > 1201 Brazos Street > > P.O. Box 12927 > > Austin TX 78711-2927 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Callie Waits" <calliewaits@digitex.net> > > To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 10:24 AM > > Subject: Re: [ERATH] Erath 1896 map > > > > > > > Cindy, Do you have the address for the Texas State Archives that you > > > ordered your Map from? > > > Eva, I will send you some money for the map you sent me. > > > Thanks > > > Callie > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Cindy Shipman" <cshipman@htcomp.net> > > > To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 11:45 PM > > > Subject: Re: [ERATH] Erath 1896 map > > > > > > > > > > I have a copy of this map too (or one about the same time period). I > > > ordered > > > > it from the Texas State Archives ... I think they charged $1 plus > > postage. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: <mygen@att.net> > > > > To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 6:51 PM > > > > Subject: [ERATH] Erath 1896 map > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have an 1896 map of Erath County that shows all of the land owners > > at > > > > that > > > > > time and a few from neighboring Hood and Palo Pinto Counties. The > map > > > is > > > > 18" by > > > > > 24". The printing is very small and a lot of it must be read with a > > > > magnifying > > > > > glass. I ordered it from > > > > > > > > > > KJ5KE > > > > > Tim W. Seawolf > > > > > P.O. Box 3282 > > > > > Quail Valley, CA 92587 > > > > > > > > > > about 5 years ago. I do not remember how much it cost. > > > > > > > > > > As time allows, I will do look ups on the map if you can tell be the > > > > general > > > > > area of the county where you think that your ancestor might have > been > > in > > > > 1896. > > > > > > > > > > Please do not send requests to the list, but to me instead. Put > 1896 > > > map > > > > in the > > > > > subject line. > > > > > > > > > > Margaret McCleskey, Arlington, Texas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > > > > > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > > > > > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > > > > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > > > > > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > > > > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > > > > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > > > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > > > > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > > > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > > > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > > > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

Could you tell me about the name Byars, please? We have a daughter-in-law that Byars was her maiden name. Thanks. Dortha ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Blakley" <geneb@htcomp.net> To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [ERATH] Skin colors > > > Although it is not politically correct in some circles, I still consider > myself to be Scotch-Irish. > > That's what my Dad said I was, and I've found nothing in my background > to lead me to a different conclusion. > > Blakely/Murphree/Blackburn/Hancock/Goyne/Byars/White/Woodard/Burson/McInish/Ray/ > Buckner/Phillips/Nall/Winder/Herrin > etc. etc. > > > mygen@att.net wrote: > >>Scots-Irish is the correct term. >> >>-------------- Original message from Rick and Susan >><rickandsusan@swva.net>: >>-------------- >> >> >> >> >>>The term Scotch-Irish is an American invention for the Scots that moved >>>to >>>Ireland for nearly a century & then moved to America. So sez the >>>Scotch-Irish >>>mailing list administrator. >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

Hi, I added the possible Erath County spellings (In parenthes). Rest is self explanatory.Some Ramsey families in Erath County and some spelled it Ramsay. Gee, are some of us descended from McRoberts? I have not dug that deep yet. Charles A. Wyly --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "ramsey.list" <ramsey.list@comcast.net> To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:35:02 -0500 Subject: Re: [Sc-Ir] McRoberts/McClanachan /Hyland(Highland)/Donnel "Diane Graham" <meregra@cableone.net wrote: I recently connected with this McROBERTS/McCLANCHAN line. Can anyone help me to add/correct these facts and figures please? To extend your research go to: http://www.rootsweb.com/~vaaugust/ Cleck onto "Resources" followed by "Chronicles of the Scotch-Irish." Just a quick look look reveals 15 refs. for Samuel McRoberts in Vol III; 2 refs. in Vol II; 3 refs. in Vol. I. There are refs. for McClanachan also. After you click onto the first page of each vol. of the "Chronicles...scroll down to the bottom of the page for the indexes. Lee Ramsey > > > Samuel McROBERTS, (said to have been from Ulster) m. Sarah McCLANACHAN. > > 1Samuel jr. m. Margery ? > 2John b. Augusta County Virginia > 3Jane m. Gabriel Smither > 4Alexander b. 1755 Augusta County Virginia, m. Nancy HYLAND/HIGHLAND, > 1784 in Virginia > ___________________________________ > Samuel jr. and Margery ? > > John b. 1733 Virginia > William b. 1789 Virginia > James b. Shenandoah Valley, Virginia > Alexander > Mary > _____________________________________ > > Alexander McRoberts and Nancy Hyland had these children > Alexander H. (Squire) McRoberts m. Nancy DONNEL > Samuel > Nancy > > > Any help will be very much appreciated. > > Diane > >

Boy! Do I wish that I knew what happened to the mineral rights to all of the land that my two great great grandfathers owned in Bosque County. Margaret -------------- Original message from Mike Furman <mefurman@wayfarer1.com>: -------------- > I don't know; either will do! > Janie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "emrog" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 4:20 PM > Subject: [ERATH] drilling at selden > > > > Mike are they drilling for oil or gas > > > > eva > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mike Furman" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 12:43 PM > > Subject: Re: [ERATH] Old Erath > > > > > >> Dear Erath fans, > >> Wonders never cease! Mr grandfather, John P. Kay, died about 1937, and > > last > >> month my cousins and I were informed he held mineral rights on little > > pieces > >> of land in Erath County. A company wants to drill, so we all signed > > before > >> a notary as to our identity and now have an extra $100 bucks with dreams > > of > >> more should anything spurt up! Granddad Kay was broke when he died. He > > had > >> several farms/ranches around Seldon at one time, but Granny always said > >> he > >> was a master at making bad deals. Wouldn't he be happy? > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "emrog" > >> To: > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 11:53 AM > >> Subject: [ERATH] Old Erath > >> > >> > >> >I talked to Todd,,,,,,he is not happy with the way the book is > > bound,,,,,,, > >> > > >> > I saw it and thought it was ok,,,,,,,,,,lol > >> > > >> > But Todd being the perfectionist,,,,,,,,,,is doing the binding > >> > over,,,,,,,,,therefore there will > >> > be a slight delay. > >> > > >> > Eva > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > >> > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > >> > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > >> > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > >> > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > >> > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > >> --- Author Retains Copyright --- > >> -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > >> Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > >> Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > >> ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >> > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >

Charles, I seriously doubt that "political correctness" had anything to do with it. The term "Scots-Irish" was around at least 200 years before we became what was or was not politically correct. Margaret -------------- Original message from Charles Blakley <geneb@htcomp.net>: -------------- > > > Although it is not politically correct in some circles, I still consider > myself to be Scotch-Irish. > > That's what my Dad said I was, and I've found nothing in my background > to lead me to a different conclusion. > > Blakely/Murphree/Blackburn/Hancock/Goyne/Byars/White/Woodard/Burson/McInish/Ray/ > Buckner/Phillips/Nall/Winder/Herrin > etc. etc. > > > mygen@att.net wrote: > > >Scots-Irish is the correct term. > > > >-------------- Original message from Rick and Susan : > >-------------- > > > > > > > > > >>The term Scotch-Irish is an American invention for the Scots that moved to > >>Ireland for nearly a century & then moved to America. So sez the Scotch-Irish > >>mailing list administrator. > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >

I don't know; either will do! Janie ----- Original Message ----- From: "emrog" <emrog@htcomp.net> To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 4:20 PM Subject: [ERATH] drilling at selden > Mike are they drilling for oil or gas > > eva > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Furman" <mefurman@wayfarer1.com> > To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 12:43 PM > Subject: Re: [ERATH] Old Erath > > >> Dear Erath fans, >> Wonders never cease! Mr grandfather, John P. Kay, died about 1937, and > last >> month my cousins and I were informed he held mineral rights on little > pieces >> of land in Erath County. A company wants to drill, so we all signed > before >> a notary as to our identity and now have an extra $100 bucks with dreams > of >> more should anything spurt up! Granddad Kay was broke when he died. He > had >> several farms/ranches around Seldon at one time, but Granny always said >> he >> was a master at making bad deals. Wouldn't he be happy? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "emrog" <emrog@htcomp.net> >> To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 11:53 AM >> Subject: [ERATH] Old Erath >> >> >> >I talked to Todd,,,,,,he is not happy with the way the book is > bound,,,,,,, >> > >> > I saw it and thought it was ok,,,,,,,,,,lol >> > >> > But Todd being the perfectionist,,,,,,,,,,is doing the binding >> > over,,,,,,,,,therefore there will >> > be a slight delay. >> > >> > Eva >> > >> > >> > >> > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== >> > --- Author Retains Copyright --- >> > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved >> > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com >> > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com >> > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== >> --- Author Retains Copyright --- >> -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved >> Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com >> Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com >> ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >> > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > >

Perhaps you are right Eve, I don't claim to be any kind of expert. However James Haning was. A retired navy commander, he spent better than 20 years doing the research for his book including Princeton University and the Ohio archives. During this time he made numerous trips finding statements by descendants, in official records, in abstracts from Holy Bibles, in merchants journals, and old histories. He always told me, "if I can't prove it, I don't print it." Alice Moore

Although it is not politically correct in some circles, I still consider myself to be Scotch-Irish. That's what my Dad said I was, and I've found nothing in my background to lead me to a different conclusion. Blakely/Murphree/Blackburn/Hancock/Goyne/Byars/White/Woodard/Burson/McInish/Ray/ Buckner/Phillips/Nall/Winder/Herrin etc. etc. mygen@att.net wrote: >Scots-Irish is the correct term. > >-------------- Original message from Rick and Susan <rickandsusan@swva.net>: >-------------- > > > > >>The term Scotch-Irish is an American invention for the Scots that moved to >>Ireland for nearly a century & then moved to America. So sez the Scotch-Irish >>mailing list administrator. >> >> >> > >

Very interesting Charles. I always thought the Moors that Isabella drove out of Spain were African Arabs, but not black skinned people? Can you recommend some links for me? I would like to learn more about this. Yes, thank you, I did get the Mulengeon link and read it last night. All this is very interesting. Susan

Pennsylvania Dutch and Black dutch are not the same. eva ----- Original Message ----- From: <xmasmom@juno.com> To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [ERATH] Black Dutch > My gggggrandfather, Matthew Haning came to this country 2 Nov 1752. All > records of him ( and he is well documented-- but not by me) as Black > Dutch or Pennsylvania Dutch. Matthew was a Palatine German. > > The Palatines were from the Palatinate State in the old German Empire. > Refugees from persecution many came to America and settled, especially in > Pa. > > The definition of palatine, " of or pertaining to a palace, possessing > royal privileges, as, a count or earl palatine; an officer of the > imperial palace; A NATIVE OR INHABITANT OF THE PALATINATE. " From this > definition "palatine" may refer to royalty or simply to persons residing > in or natives of the Palatinate state - earls, counts and chimney sweeps > alike. > > Pennsylvania Dutch refers to the High German dialect used by German > colonist of the Mennonite faith and other German religious groups many of > whom settled in Pa. Although none were from the Netherlands they were > referred to as Dutch by the non-German speaking colonists who > misunderstood and mispronounced the word "Deutsche". Pronounced like > Doysch it sounds like Dutch but Deutsche means German. The Pa. Dutch > handle was also liberally used to describe the other Germans in that > general area. As to the "Black Dutch" reference it is likely that the > term was used to describe the conservative black attire associated with > the "Pa. Dutch" and which is still favored by many. > > The above is from "Matthew Haning (c 1730 - 1807) and Descendants". by > the late James Leslie Haning > > Alice Moore > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >

At one time they had planned to make Oklahoma an all Indian and black state according to the history channel. Michaellann Jones, Shipman, Hendrickson, Fleming, Crowder

Yep, Scotch is a drink. I learned that the hard way, and I'm a Scottish descendant. ----- Original Message ----- From: mygen@att.net To: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [ERATH] Skin colors Scots-Irish is the correct term. -------------- Original message from Rick and Susan <rickandsusan@swva.net>: -------------- > The term Scotch-Irish is an American invention for the Scots that moved to > Ireland for nearly a century & then moved to America. So sez the Scotch-Irish > mailing list administrator. > > The question I have in this discussion is about the skin color of the Spanish. > Since they are Europeans, their skin color would not be much different than the > rest of Europe. They also have Celts with very white skin. (The Mexicans also > have the darker Indian skin colors of the tribes native to Mexico.) > I also understood the darker skin of Germans came from their Aryan roots? And > then in most of Europe would include some Arab bloodlines from the Moor's > invasions? > > Just my thoughts? > > Susan > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== --- Author Retains Copyright --- -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

Scots-Irish is the correct term. -------------- Original message from Rick and Susan <rickandsusan@swva.net>: -------------- > The term Scotch-Irish is an American invention for the Scots that moved to > Ireland for nearly a century & then moved to America. So sez the Scotch-Irish > mailing list administrator. > > The question I have in this discussion is about the skin color of the Spanish. > Since they are Europeans, their skin color would not be much different than the > rest of Europe. They also have Celts with very white skin. (The Mexicans also > have the darker Indian skin colors of the tribes native to Mexico.) > I also understood the darker skin of Germans came from their Aryan roots? And > then in most of Europe would include some Arab bloodlines from the Moor's > invasions? > > Just my thoughts? > > Susan > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >

I have a Mary M. Keahey (1859-1879) married to Jacob E. Tinnin (1859-1896) 11 January 1877. I do not have her parents. Margaret -------------- Original message from Callie Waits <calliewaits@digitex.net>: -------------- > Hi Roy > Was your Vernard Keahey any kin to Thomas J Keahey, that married Frances > Arena King? They had 2 children: Archie Keahey and Elizabeth Keahey. > Callie > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "R F KENNEDY" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 11:29 AM > Subject: [ERATH] Genealogy Research > > > > My Grandmother Flora May Keahey-Kennedy, may have attended school > (possibly > > somewhere, exact location unknown, in Southern Texas) from 1902 until > around > > 1908-09. In 1902 Flora was six-years old. Her brother, Vernard Arthur > Keahey > > (born 1900) may also have attended school later on. > > I seek school records on grandma in hopes they will reveal the names of > the > > couple who raised her after her mother (Sarah "Sallie" L. Burd-Keahey) > died in > > 1901. > > I would greatly appreciate your help in my quest. Thank you for your time > and > > consideration. I remain, hopefully yours > > > > Roy Kennedy > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >

Hi, Mike, some Selden land leased for $300.00 per acre last year. From Lipan to Weatherford andtowards Wise and Denton Counties may go for $350.00 per acre- The Denton- Wise County gas wells are from the same deep strata of flint hard shale many feet thick and from 400 to 1000 feet deep. This is now supplying many States between Decatur and Canada. As long as Crude is above $40.00 per barrel they will drill for the gas. Many years agpo, appx. 1950, Grandad and Wyly and Kay families leased for about $5.00 to $10.00 per acre. A test well was capped at Selden Church which had some oil, 2 layers of Coal and some Gas, like the shallow Laney Wells. So far, if Grandad's old home place is leased, we have not seen our half of the lease money. Others adjoining it is leased.Kay land joined Grandad on 2 sides- Three , counting Roy's summer place in "Hatchettville". Good to hear from you, Charles On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:43:37 -0800 Mike Furman <mefurman@wayfarer1.com> writes: > Dear Erath fans, > Wonders never cease! Mr grandfather, John P. Kay, died about 1937, > and last > month my cousins and I were informed he held mineral rights on > little pieces > of land in Erath County. A company wants to drill, so we all signed > before > a notary as to our identity and now have an extra $100 bucks with > dreams of > more should anything spurt up! Granddad Kay was broke when he died. > He had > several farms/ranches around Seldon at one time, but Granny always > said he > was a master at making bad deals. Wouldn't he be happy? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "emrog" <emrog@htcomp.net> > To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 11:53 AM > Subject: [ERATH] Old Erath > > > >I talked to Todd,,,,,,he is not happy with the way the book is > bound,,,,,,, > > > > I saw it and thought it was ok,,,,,,,,,,lol > > > > But Todd being the perfectionist,,,,,,,,,,is doing the binding > > over,,,,,,,,,therefore there will > > be a slight delay. > > > > Eva > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

Hi, I remember mom and Dad talking about the Keaheys in Erath County- think some are buried in Indian Creek Cemetery south of Stephenville. Charles Wyly On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:29:26 -0800 R F KENNEDY <roy_bethkennedy@msn.com> writes: > My Grandmother Flora May Keahey-Kennedy, may have attended school > (possibly > somewhere, exact location unknown, in Southern Texas) from 1902 > until around > 1908-09. In 1902 Flora was six-years old. Her brother, Vernard > Arthur Keahey > (born 1900) may also have attended school later on. > I seek school records on grandma in hopes they will reveal the names > of the > couple who raised her after her mother (Sarah "Sallie" L. > Burd-Keahey) died in > 1901. > I would greatly appreciate your help in my quest. Thank you for your > time and > consideration. I remain, hopefully yours > > Roy Kennedy > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

Susan, I thought Southern Spain had always had Africans- called Moors - influence and race blending. They do today- the Moorish- or today, the Muslims in Southern Spain and France today with African Roots are a fast growing group and their political influence was what caused the Spanish and French to pull troops out of Iraq. Morocco has darker skinned folk also. A brother of Great Great Grandad Hatchett stayed in Mexico, after the U.S.- Mexico war, 1845, and a great great Granddaughter of him left Mexico City to live in Morocco. The Persian ships from the Black Sea and Constantinople Trade routes went around Spain and France to England at least 1000 years before Christ. These migrations included Angles, Jutes, Saxons,Huns, Goths and Visigoths and many others who moved into Celtic England. Recently they have found red headed not orientals buried in Russia- the site was kept secret by Communist Russias but National Geographic finally pick up photos of the hair of the desert mummified bodies. Did you get the note about the Mulengeon Families with Scotch- Irish names and roots and other blood in Carolinas, Tennessee, Kentucky, and Arkansas? Try http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/Melungeon/2000-07/0964177788 Also, Freedom, Oklahoma was started by former slaves who had some Indian blood- not by us Anglos. Charles Wyly On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:36:06 -0800 Rick and Susan <rickandsusan@swva.net> writes: > The term Scotch-Irish is an American invention for the Scots that > moved to > Ireland for nearly a century & then moved to America. So sez the > Scotch-Irish > mailing list administrator. > > The question I have in this discussion is about the skin color of > the Spanish. > Since they are Europeans, their skin color would not be much > different than the > rest of Europe. They also have Celts with very white skin. (The > Mexicans also > have the darker Indian skin colors of the tribes native to Mexico.) > I also understood the darker skin of Germans came from their Aryan > roots? And > then in most of Europe would include some Arab bloodlines from the > Moor's > invasions? > > Just my thoughts? > > Susan > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >