Callie, It is probably distant kin. Our immigrant McElroy family had five sons, and our ancestor was Archibald McElroy. He had three brothers that moved to KY. The closest match I find is a John McElroy, II, born 1754, married bef 1772, in NC, to Elizabeth. Thanks for writing. Dortha ----- Original Message ----- From: "Callie Waits" <calliewaits@digitex.net> To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 10:02 PM Subject: [ERATH] McElroy > Dortha, Is this one of your McElroy's > Callie > > > VITALS: Various Marriage Records, 1876-1882, Boone County, Kentucky > > ------------------------------------------------- > Contributed by: Phyllis Hill > " phill@redrock.net " December 21, 1998 > ------------------------------------------------- > > VITALS: Marriage Records, various, Boone Co. > Submitted by: phill@redrock.net (Phyllis Hill) > > * indicates second marriage > > > Grooms Brides Date > > > McElroy, John* Dickson, Elizabeth 15 May 1877 > > > http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ky/boone/vitals/marr/varmarr.txt > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

Dortha, Is this one of your McElroy's Callie VITALS: Various Marriage Records, 1876-1882, Boone County, Kentucky ------------------------------------------------- Contributed by: Phyllis Hill " phill@redrock.net " December 21, 1998 ------------------------------------------------- VITALS: Marriage Records, various, Boone Co. Submitted by: phill@redrock.net (Phyllis Hill) * indicates second marriage Grooms Brides Date McElroy, John* Dickson, Elizabeth 15 May 1877 http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ky/boone/vitals/marr/varmarr.txt

I agree with you about the book, "Born Fighting, How the Scots-Irish Shaped America." I have been reading it also and it has given me such a wonderful insight into the Scots-Irish people and my ancestors. I recommed it to anyone who wants to learn more about these wonderful people that we call Scots-Irish. Jane McEndree -----Original Message----- From: mygen@att.net [mailto:mygen@att.net] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 4:32 PM To: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ERATH] Scotch-Irish/Scots-Irish I just purchased and have read about 1/3 of, "Born Fighting, How the Scots-Irish Shaped America," by James Webb. I am to the point where the first wave has made it to America and begun to spread south and west. So far, it is a good book. It covers the history of the Scots including William Wallace and Robert the Bruce, then the plantations in Ireland and then what led up to the Scots-Irish leaving Ireland for the Colonies. I bought my copy from Barnes and Noble. Margaret McCleskey ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== --- Author Retains Copyright --- -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

I just purchased and have read about 1/3 of, "Born Fighting, How the Scots-Irish Shaped America," by James Webb. I am to the point where the first wave has made it to America and begun to spread south and west. So far, it is a good book. It covers the history of the Scots including William Wallace and Robert the Bruce, then the plantations in Ireland and then what led up to the Scots-Irish leaving Ireland for the Colonies. I bought my copy from Barnes and Noble. Margaret McCleskey

Well put,,,,, eva ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcia Kalapus" <stanmar@comcast.net> To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [ERATH] Scotch-Irish/Scots-Irish > What difference does it really make whether its Scotch or Scots.......its > preference and it means the same thing ..........the important thing is to > learn about our ancestors , when they came to this counrty and why and to > share it with others on the message boards. when feasible .... to not > acknowledge that it means the same , many who stand on the firm lines of one > set definition , may miss out on getting vital answers or needed > information to complete their trees........ the same thing happens over the > spellings of names ..... I have so many different variations of spellings of > some of my ancestors that I would have missed many opportunities of > information gathering, if I hadn't appreciated the fact that some of my > ancestors couldn't read and write and couldn't spell either.......The most > important thing is to be proud of who we are and where we came from and call > ourselves what is comfortable to us, and I am a Scots-Irish descendent and > I'm not arguing... Ha!....... Good luck to all in your research........... > Cyndislist.com and South Carolina Scots-Irish is a good site also for > information on this subject. as well North Carolina ......M.Kalapus > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick and Susan" <rickandsusan@swva.net> > To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:03 PM > Subject: [ERATH] Scotch-Irish/Scots-Irish > > > > Well we have quite a discussion going on here. > > My Grandfather Carvin was very proud to be Scotch-Irish. When I was a > teenager back in the 1960s, someone rudely scolded my Grandmother Carvin by > telling her it was Scots-Irish, not Scotch-Irish. And that Scotch was a > drink! I say rudely because she was so embarrassed, the term Scots-Irish > stuck with her. > > My Grandfather maintained firmly that he was Scotch-Irish. > > > > The RootsWeb mailing list is for Scotch-Irish. And the list owner had a > discussion about how Scotch-Irish is the correct American term a year ago. > > "If all else fails, I will retreat up the valley of Virginia, plant my > flag on the Blue Ridge, rally around the Scotch-Irish of that region, and > make my last stand for liberty amongst a people who will never submit to > British tyranny whilst there is a man left to draw a trigger. George > Washington, at Valley Forge."BTW this is where we live. > > > > "There has been some controversy as to the term, "Scotch-Irish." The term > "Scotch-Irish" supposedly originated in mid-eighteenth century America to > distinguish the Ulster Presbyterian emigrants of Scottish ancestry from > other Irish settlers in the colonies. But the first to use the term, > Scotch-Irish, was Queen Elizabeth as far back as 1573 when in a manifesto > she said "....We are given to understand that a nobleman names "Sorley Boy," > and others, who be of the Scotch-Irish race, and some of the wild Irish, at > this time are content to acknowledge our true and mere right to the country > of Ulster and the Crown of Ireland...." Its obvious from this that the > Scotch Irish as a people have been recognized to have existed some 500 years > ago. > > > > "In America the first to use the term was by Sir Thomas Laurence Secretary > of Maryland when in June of 1695, he said; "In the counties of Dorchester > and Somerest, where the Scotch-Irish are numerous, they clothe themselves by > their linen and woolen manufactures." > > > > "And an Anglican minister named George Ross wrote in 1753: "They call > themselves Scotch-Irish, and are the bitterest railers against the Church of > England that ever trod on American ground."For almost a hundred years the > term seems to have disappeared, until the influx of the Catholic Irish > during the potato famine of 1845-46. > > > > "In order to distinguish themselves and their ancestors for the newly > arriving Catholic Irish they revived the rarely used term of Scotch-Irish > and it stuck. So now after 150 years of common use it at last expresses a > historical reality, no other word is quite able to fulfill. > > > > "The term is seldom used in Northern Ireland, Scotland or Britain, they > prefer Ulsterman or Ulster Scot but none the less these are the same people > separated only by distance and time." From > http://www.scotchirish.net/What%20about%20the%20name.php4 > > > > I could give pages of quotes on the correct term being Scotch-Irish. But > on many of the sites, the name Scots-Irish is used also. In books for sale > the two names are used in titles. Another example is this "The Scotch-Irish > Foundation (PO Box 181, Bryn Mawr, PA 19010) was established as a > Pennsylvania non-profit corporation in 1949, specifically to collect records > relating to the Scots-Irish and to preserve their history." It seems to be > used interchangeably today. I say today, because I haven't yet found any old > quotes using the name Scots-Irish. > > > > So I will continue to say that Scotch-Irish is the correct term according > to the old ways. Others may say Scots-Irish is the correct term. And it is > very Scot to argue about it to the "death". But I am done. > > > > Susan > > > > In the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many Irish in the past and present for reasons only apparent to them > selves have always had a problem with the term. As long ago as 1897 Irish > American Historical Society tried to debunk the term as a new finagled > notion, promulgated in America and born of sheer ignorance and pharisaical > Calvinistic pride. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Charles Blakley > > To: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 11:23 PM > > Subject: Re: [ERATH] Skin colors > > > > > > > > > > Although it is not politically correct in some circles, I still consider > > myself to be Scotch-Irish. > > > > That's what my Dad said I was, and I've found nothing in my background > > to lead me to a different conclusion. > > > > > Blakely/Murphree/Blackburn/Hancock/Goyne/Byars/White/Woodard/Burson/McInish/ > Ray/ > > Buckner/Phillips/Nall/Winder/Herrin > > etc. etc. > > > > > > mygen@att.net wrote: > > > > >Scots-Irish is the correct term. > > > > > >-------------- Original message from Rick and Susan > <rickandsusan@swva.net>: > > >-------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>The term Scotch-Irish is an American invention for the Scots that > moved to > > >>Ireland for nearly a century & then moved to America. So sez the > Scotch-Irish > > >>mailing list administrator. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >

What difference does it really make whether its Scotch or Scots.......its preference and it means the same thing ..........the important thing is to learn about our ancestors , when they came to this counrty and why and to share it with others on the message boards. when feasible .... to not acknowledge that it means the same , many who stand on the firm lines of one set definition , may miss out on getting vital answers or needed information to complete their trees........ the same thing happens over the spellings of names ..... I have so many different variations of spellings of some of my ancestors that I would have missed many opportunities of information gathering, if I hadn't appreciated the fact that some of my ancestors couldn't read and write and couldn't spell either.......The most important thing is to be proud of who we are and where we came from and call ourselves what is comfortable to us, and I am a Scots-Irish descendent and I'm not arguing... Ha!....... Good luck to all in your research........... Cyndislist.com and South Carolina Scots-Irish is a good site also for information on this subject. as well North Carolina ......M.Kalapus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick and Susan" <rickandsusan@swva.net> To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:03 PM Subject: [ERATH] Scotch-Irish/Scots-Irish > Well we have quite a discussion going on here. > My Grandfather Carvin was very proud to be Scotch-Irish. When I was a teenager back in the 1960s, someone rudely scolded my Grandmother Carvin by telling her it was Scots-Irish, not Scotch-Irish. And that Scotch was a drink! I say rudely because she was so embarrassed, the term Scots-Irish stuck with her. > My Grandfather maintained firmly that he was Scotch-Irish. > > The RootsWeb mailing list is for Scotch-Irish. And the list owner had a discussion about how Scotch-Irish is the correct American term a year ago. > "If all else fails, I will retreat up the valley of Virginia, plant my flag on the Blue Ridge, rally around the Scotch-Irish of that region, and make my last stand for liberty amongst a people who will never submit to British tyranny whilst there is a man left to draw a trigger. George Washington, at Valley Forge."BTW this is where we live. > > "There has been some controversy as to the term, "Scotch-Irish." The term "Scotch-Irish" supposedly originated in mid-eighteenth century America to distinguish the Ulster Presbyterian emigrants of Scottish ancestry from other Irish settlers in the colonies. But the first to use the term, Scotch-Irish, was Queen Elizabeth as far back as 1573 when in a manifesto she said "....We are given to understand that a nobleman names "Sorley Boy," and others, who be of the Scotch-Irish race, and some of the wild Irish, at this time are content to acknowledge our true and mere right to the country of Ulster and the Crown of Ireland...." Its obvious from this that the Scotch Irish as a people have been recognized to have existed some 500 years ago. > > "In America the first to use the term was by Sir Thomas Laurence Secretary of Maryland when in June of 1695, he said; "In the counties of Dorchester and Somerest, where the Scotch-Irish are numerous, they clothe themselves by their linen and woolen manufactures." > > "And an Anglican minister named George Ross wrote in 1753: "They call themselves Scotch-Irish, and are the bitterest railers against the Church of England that ever trod on American ground."For almost a hundred years the term seems to have disappeared, until the influx of the Catholic Irish during the potato famine of 1845-46. > > "In order to distinguish themselves and their ancestors for the newly arriving Catholic Irish they revived the rarely used term of Scotch-Irish and it stuck. So now after 150 years of common use it at last expresses a historical reality, no other word is quite able to fulfill. > > "The term is seldom used in Northern Ireland, Scotland or Britain, they prefer Ulsterman or Ulster Scot but none the less these are the same people separated only by distance and time." From http://www.scotchirish.net/What%20about%20the%20name.php4 > > I could give pages of quotes on the correct term being Scotch-Irish. But on many of the sites, the name Scots-Irish is used also. In books for sale the two names are used in titles. Another example is this "The Scotch-Irish Foundation (PO Box 181, Bryn Mawr, PA 19010) was established as a Pennsylvania non-profit corporation in 1949, specifically to collect records relating to the Scots-Irish and to preserve their history." It seems to be used interchangeably today. I say today, because I haven't yet found any old quotes using the name Scots-Irish. > > So I will continue to say that Scotch-Irish is the correct term according to the old ways. Others may say Scots-Irish is the correct term. And it is very Scot to argue about it to the "death". But I am done. > > Susan > > In the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia > > > > > > > > Many Irish in the past and present for reasons only apparent to them selves have always had a problem with the term. As long ago as 1897 Irish American Historical Society tried to debunk the term as a new finagled notion, promulgated in America and born of sheer ignorance and pharisaical Calvinistic pride. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Charles Blakley > To: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 11:23 PM > Subject: Re: [ERATH] Skin colors > > > > > Although it is not politically correct in some circles, I still consider > myself to be Scotch-Irish. > > That's what my Dad said I was, and I've found nothing in my background > to lead me to a different conclusion. > > Blakely/Murphree/Blackburn/Hancock/Goyne/Byars/White/Woodard/Burson/McInish/ Ray/ > Buckner/Phillips/Nall/Winder/Herrin > etc. etc. > > > mygen@att.net wrote: > > >Scots-Irish is the correct term. > > > >-------------- Original message from Rick and Susan <rickandsusan@swva.net>: > >-------------- > > > > > > > > > >>The term Scotch-Irish is an American invention for the Scots that moved to > >>Ireland for nearly a century & then moved to America. So sez the Scotch-Irish > >>mailing list administrator. > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >

Glad to do lookups for the Barbee Cemetery. Have connected 866 of the 998 buried there by blood or marriage. Information also on World Connect on www.rootsweb.com under database 93stealth

Hi, Ever of Kiker's Gin (Cotton Gin) ? Wasn't there a communioty there who had a reporter to Stephenville Weekly Newspaper? These community reporters from all communities kept us up to date on other areas of the County. Charles Wyly On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:00:27 EST RMendelson@aol.com writes: > Hi Margaret and list, > I read the notice of the McCleskey Reunion and noticed two > related > families that I might have an interest in- Adams and Kiker. My Adams > are descendents > of Tom and Catherine Adams who settled near Thorp Springs in Hood > County in > the 1870s. One of their daughters, Melissa Elizabeth, married Tom > Kennon, and > they settled at Ward Mountain in Palo Pinto County. As to the > Kikers, one of my > great aunts was Kate Young. She married a Kiker and I would really > like to > contact any of her descendants. > If any of these people sound familiar, please contact me. > Shirley Young Mendelson > Austin, Texas > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

At 15:18 12.02.05 -0600, you wrote: >why do you say 1011 would protect the cemeteries, seems it supports >getting rid of them easier? is it the part of the THC being able to >block the removal? THC and local historical Commissions can become parties to a suit to block it. Here to fore the plaintiffs in such a suit had to be some relation to the persons buried there. That's a big step from where it is now.

State Representative Harvey Hilderbran has introduced the following bills HB1011 deals with abandoned cemeteries on private property and the changes will allow the property owner to petition a District Court to remove the cemetery dedication on the land and will then require the removal of all human remains. This bill changes will also require notice of such filing requiring it must be given to the Texas Historical Commission and will allow the THC and local county historical commissions to intervene as parties to the lawsuit. HB1012 deals with desecration of cemeteries and abusing a corpse (as in digging up graves) and toughens the criminal prosecution, juvenile courts and restitution procedures. If the juvenile is unable to pay the restitution costs, the parents are to pay and the individual is required to perform community service. The conviction of any offense under this new law will be a state jail Felony or Class C misdemeanor. The law will allow for the protection of ground burials but also adds wording protecting, crypts, mausoleums, niches, etc. This law also adds wording specifically related to anyone who "defaces, vandalizes, injures, or removes a gravestone, monument, or other structure commemorating a deceased person or group of deceased persons, whether located within or outside of a cemetery." The bill adds protective language so that actions taken by cemetery associations or other individuals caring for the cemetery are not subject to this law. We have lost some cemeteries here in Erath county which HB1011 might have helped protect. And HB1012 is needed to make people understand damaging the monuments in a cemetery is not a prank. I would hope we would let our State Representatives know we want the to support these bills. I know Sid Miller of Erath is very interested in the protection of historical monuments and would support these bills.

why do you say 1011 would protect the cemeteries, seems it supports getting rid of them easier? is it the part of the THC being able to block the removal? ----- Original Message ----- From: "John A. Stovall" <johnastovall@earthlink.net> To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 1:36 PM Subject: [ERATH] New bills supporting Cemetery Preservation > State Representative Harvey Hilderbran has introduced the following bills > > HB1011 deals with abandoned cemeteries on private property and the changes > will allow the property owner to petition a District Court to remove the > cemetery dedication on the land and will then require the removal of all > human remains. > > This bill changes will also require notice of such filing requiring it > must be given to the Texas Historical Commission and will allow the THC and > local county historical commissions to intervene as parties to the lawsuit. > > HB1012 deals with desecration of cemeteries and abusing a corpse (as in > digging up graves) and toughens the criminal prosecution, juvenile courts > and restitution procedures. If the juvenile is unable to pay the > restitution costs, the parents are to pay and the individual is required to > perform community service. The conviction of any offense under this new law > will be a state jail Felony or Class C misdemeanor. > > The law will allow for the protection of ground burials but also adds > wording protecting, crypts, mausoleums, niches, etc. This law also adds > wording specifically related to anyone who "defaces, vandalizes, injures, > or removes a gravestone, monument, or other structure commemorating a > deceased person or group of deceased persons, whether located within or > outside of a cemetery." > > The bill adds protective language so that actions taken by cemetery > associations or other individuals caring for the cemetery are not subject > to this law. > > We have lost some cemeteries here in Erath county which HB1011 might have > helped protect. And HB1012 is needed to make people understand damaging the > monuments in a cemetery is not a prank. > > I would hope we would let our State Representatives know we want the to > support these bills. I know Sid Miller of Erath is very interested in the > protection of historical monuments and would support these bills. > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

Hi, There is also a Mary Duty associated with Waco Schools. Wonder if some changed the spelling? I once took a Rauschuber boy to State Vica contests, and noticed the mail box by his spelled it Rauschubber. I said I thought they were brothers. he said they were. I asked why the names were spelled differently. He said it was because his Uncle had lived In Wichita Falls. Made no sense to me, but possibly when they were learning and translating from Czech or Germqanto English, the one in Wichita Falls might have been influienced by a teacher with roots in Windthorst or Pep or Muenster, home of the Cheese plant. . One of my teachers at Johnsville- a long friend of my parents, tried to make me spell my name Wylie. Most folk don't pay that much attention to anything but the sound. Charles Wyly On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:08:11 -0600 "Callie Waits" <calliewaits@digitex.net> writes: > Hi Lola > It is so nice to hear from you. > Yes, I am pretty sure this is the same family. > When I was trying to find out if this was truely my husbands > grandmother, > that was buried by Harlin Doty at Crawford Cemetery, All I knew was > she had > married a Doty after her Husband died and he had some children by > another > marriage and one had married an Edmonds. I looked up Harlin Doty on > World > Connect and came up with him married to Sara Clinkingbeard and they > had a > bunch of children. I was so disappointed, I thought that wasn't my > Sarah, > anyway I finally found an obituary for a Tinsley Doty and his mother > was my > Sarah and his father was Harlin Doty. I looked up the Russells that > were > buried behind them and they were my Sarah's father,mother, brother > and his > family inside the same curb. Sarah, Harlin and the Edmonds didn't > have a > curb. > I have gathered a few things and have been trying to confirm all > of them. > I will be glad to share what I have, if you want any of it and > would love > to correspond more with you. Thank you so much for answering my > query. > Please keep in touch. > Callie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lola" <lolam6@sbcglobal.net> > To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 9:34 AM > Subject: RE: [ERATH] Off Topic > > > > Callie, I have Harlin Doty and Sara Elizabeth Clinkenbeard in my > family > > tree. They had nine children. I have some of their Children's > spouses, but > > not all. > > Harlin's father..Harvey Doty..Mother Sally Coram. > > Sara Elizabeth's Father..Robert Clinkenbeard..Mother..Hannah ??. > > Is this the same family? > > LolaM. in Calif. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Callie Waits [mailto:calliewaits@digitex.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 1:29 PM > > To: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [ERATH] Off Topic > > > > > > Hello Clyde > > Thanks for answering my email. > > My Russells and Doty also came from Missouri. Harlin Doty had a > 1st wife > > named Sara Clinkingbeard, they had a lot of children and lived in > Mo.. I > > think it was one his children that married an Edmonds. > > Her name was Martha ? Edmonds. I took a picture of her and her > husbands > > stones. She was the mother of one of our neighbors by the name of > Newton > > Edmonds. He said she was a sister to my husbands Grandmother, Dora > Clark. > > Dora's father died in Monitau County Mo. in a water well accident. > Dora's > > mother and father were married in Laclede County MO. > > Anyway it was worth a try. Thank you very much for your answer > and good > > luck on finding your ancestors > > Callie > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "edmonds" <edmonds01@bresnan.net> > > To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 2:51 PM > > Subject: Re: [ERATH] Off Topic > > > > > > > Hi Calliet , > > > Probably not. My grandparents lived near Blufdale,and he came > from MO > > > His father was killed in MO at age 22 so I know very little of > my > > ancestry. > > > > > > Callie Waits wrote: > > > > > > >Hello Clyde, > > > > I noticed the name Edmonds on your email and was wondering if > you're > > any > > > >kin to Harlin Doty that married my husband's great grandmother, > Sarah > > > >Russell Clark Doty. They are buried at Crawford Texas. There > are > Edmonds > > > >buried beside them and I know they are kin. Harlin and Sarah > had a son > > named > > > >Tinsley Doty. > > > > I would love to find some of their family. > > > >Respectfully > > > >Callie > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "edmonds" <edmonds01@bresnan.net> > > > >To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> > > > >Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 11:10 AM > > > >Subject: Re: [ERATH] Off Topic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Hi, > > > >>I attepted to respond to your request but the message bounced > back > with > > > >>no such address. > > > >>Clyde > > > >> > > > >>Rick and Susan wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>>Hello, > > > >>> > > > >>>My husband & I are thinking of moving to Erath. > > > >>>We have lots of questions. > > > >>>Would some of you be willing to discuss the area with us off > of the > > list? > > > >>> > > > >>>Thank You! > > > >>> > > > >>>rickandsusa@swva.net > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > > > >>>--- Author Retains Copyright --- > > > >>>-- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > > >>>Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > > > >>>Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > >>>ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > > > >>--- Author Retains Copyright --- > > > >>-- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > > >>Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > > > >>Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > >>ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > > > >--- Author Retains Copyright --- > > > >-- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > > >Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > > > >Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > >ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > > > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > > > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > > > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

Hi Lola It is so nice to hear from you. Yes, I am pretty sure this is the same family. When I was trying to find out if this was truely my husbands grandmother, that was buried by Harlin Doty at Crawford Cemetery, All I knew was she had married a Doty after her Husband died and he had some children by another marriage and one had married an Edmonds. I looked up Harlin Doty on World Connect and came up with him married to Sara Clinkingbeard and they had a bunch of children. I was so disappointed, I thought that wasn't my Sarah, anyway I finally found an obituary for a Tinsley Doty and his mother was my Sarah and his father was Harlin Doty. I looked up the Russells that were buried behind them and they were my Sarah's father,mother, brother and his family inside the same curb. Sarah, Harlin and the Edmonds didn't have a curb. I have gathered a few things and have been trying to confirm all of them. I will be glad to share what I have, if you want any of it and would love to correspond more with you. Thank you so much for answering my query. Please keep in touch. Callie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lola" <lolam6@sbcglobal.net> To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 9:34 AM Subject: RE: [ERATH] Off Topic > Callie, I have Harlin Doty and Sara Elizabeth Clinkenbeard in my family > tree. They had nine children. I have some of their Children's spouses, but > not all. > Harlin's father..Harvey Doty..Mother Sally Coram. > Sara Elizabeth's Father..Robert Clinkenbeard..Mother..Hannah ??. > Is this the same family? > LolaM. in Calif. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Callie Waits [mailto:calliewaits@digitex.net] > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 1:29 PM > To: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ERATH] Off Topic > > > Hello Clyde > Thanks for answering my email. > My Russells and Doty also came from Missouri. Harlin Doty had a 1st wife > named Sara Clinkingbeard, they had a lot of children and lived in Mo.. I > think it was one his children that married an Edmonds. > Her name was Martha ? Edmonds. I took a picture of her and her husbands > stones. She was the mother of one of our neighbors by the name of Newton > Edmonds. He said she was a sister to my husbands Grandmother, Dora Clark. > Dora's father died in Monitau County Mo. in a water well accident. Dora's > mother and father were married in Laclede County MO. > Anyway it was worth a try. Thank you very much for your answer and good > luck on finding your ancestors > Callie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "edmonds" <edmonds01@bresnan.net> > To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 2:51 PM > Subject: Re: [ERATH] Off Topic > > > > Hi Calliet , > > Probably not. My grandparents lived near Blufdale,and he came from MO > > His father was killed in MO at age 22 so I know very little of my > ancestry. > > > > Callie Waits wrote: > > > > >Hello Clyde, > > > I noticed the name Edmonds on your email and was wondering if you're > any > > >kin to Harlin Doty that married my husband's great grandmother, Sarah > > >Russell Clark Doty. They are buried at Crawford Texas. There are Edmonds > > >buried beside them and I know they are kin. Harlin and Sarah had a son > named > > >Tinsley Doty. > > > I would love to find some of their family. > > >Respectfully > > >Callie > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "edmonds" <edmonds01@bresnan.net> > > >To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 11:10 AM > > >Subject: Re: [ERATH] Off Topic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Hi, > > >>I attepted to respond to your request but the message bounced back with > > >>no such address. > > >>Clyde > > >> > > >>Rick and Susan wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>>Hello, > > >>> > > >>>My husband & I are thinking of moving to Erath. > > >>>We have lots of questions. > > >>>Would some of you be willing to discuss the area with us off of the > list? > > >>> > > >>>Thank You! > > >>> > > >>>rickandsusa@swva.net > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > > >>>--- Author Retains Copyright --- > > >>>-- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > >>>Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > > >>>Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > >>>ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > > >>--- Author Retains Copyright --- > > >>-- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > >>Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > > >>Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > >>ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > > >--- Author Retains Copyright --- > > >-- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > >Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > > >Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > >ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >

Callie, I have Harlin Doty and Sara Elizabeth Clinkenbeard in my family tree. They had nine children. I have some of their Children's spouses, but not all. Harlin's father..Harvey Doty..Mother Sally Coram. Sara Elizabeth's Father..Robert Clinkenbeard..Mother..Hannah ??. Is this the same family? LolaM. in Calif. -----Original Message----- From: Callie Waits [mailto:calliewaits@digitex.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 1:29 PM To: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ERATH] Off Topic Hello Clyde Thanks for answering my email. My Russells and Doty also came from Missouri. Harlin Doty had a 1st wife named Sara Clinkingbeard, they had a lot of children and lived in Mo.. I think it was one his children that married an Edmonds. Her name was Martha ? Edmonds. I took a picture of her and her husbands stones. She was the mother of one of our neighbors by the name of Newton Edmonds. He said she was a sister to my husbands Grandmother, Dora Clark. Dora's father died in Monitau County Mo. in a water well accident. Dora's mother and father were married in Laclede County MO. Anyway it was worth a try. Thank you very much for your answer and good luck on finding your ancestors Callie ----- Original Message ----- From: "edmonds" <edmonds01@bresnan.net> To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [ERATH] Off Topic > Hi Calliet , > Probably not. My grandparents lived near Blufdale,and he came from MO > His father was killed in MO at age 22 so I know very little of my ancestry. > > Callie Waits wrote: > > >Hello Clyde, > > I noticed the name Edmonds on your email and was wondering if you're any > >kin to Harlin Doty that married my husband's great grandmother, Sarah > >Russell Clark Doty. They are buried at Crawford Texas. There are Edmonds > >buried beside them and I know they are kin. Harlin and Sarah had a son named > >Tinsley Doty. > > I would love to find some of their family. > >Respectfully > >Callie > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "edmonds" <edmonds01@bresnan.net> > >To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 11:10 AM > >Subject: Re: [ERATH] Off Topic > > > > > > > > > >>Hi, > >>I attepted to respond to your request but the message bounced back with > >>no such address. > >>Clyde > >> > >>Rick and Susan wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Hello, > >>> > >>>My husband & I are thinking of moving to Erath. > >>>We have lots of questions. > >>>Would some of you be willing to discuss the area with us off of the list? > >>> > >>>Thank You! > >>> > >>>rickandsusa@swva.net > >>> > >>> > >>>==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > >>>--- Author Retains Copyright --- > >>>-- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > >>>Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > >>>Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > >>>ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > >>--- Author Retains Copyright --- > >>-- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > >>Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > >>Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > >>ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > >--- Author Retains Copyright --- > >-- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > >Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > >Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > >ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== --- Author Retains Copyright --- -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

Thanks, Yes, this is the same Church, but the location has changed a mile or so. It used to be farther south near the Valley Grove school location and Gentry Bridge and W.T. Graves home- more in a Valley than the present location at the Y in Hico Highway location. Grandad Henry and Becky Hipp Carey and family including mom Emma Carey Wyly and siblings attenmded Church there. . Mom said she Aunt Ada Hatchett and Aunt Effie Evans walked from Oak Dale to Valley Grove driving their milk cows and calves on foot. One reason the church was moved upstream was the odor from the Stephenville Sewer plant, across the iron Bridge from W.T. Graves House on the old Hico Hwy. It was fine if wind was not out of the west and better with a South or East Breze blowing. One of the nearest cemeteries is on Pole Hollow or Pole Holler, visible from the Highway. Now, what was the name of the old School across U.S. 67 and across the creek from Parham's Wrecking Yard? Mom sand when she was small a Blue Norther rolled in and Grandad stopped the wagon at the School on this Road towards Evergreen and others already had a Fire going. They spent the night in the old School with the others. This was across the creek from the old Historic 2 story Limestone Rock historic House south of U.S. 67. Charles Wyly Take care, Charles A. Wyly On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:56:31 -0500 "Rick and Susan" <rickandsusan@swva.net> writes: > Hello list, > > Yesterday afternoon I called the Valley Grove Baptist Church in > Stephenville to see if it was the same Valley Grove Church begun in > the last half of the 1880s by the DuPuy/Roberts clan of Valley > grove. > It is. > I have been looking for actual Roberts for 5 years in Stephenville. > I have met some. But none from the John Kyle Roberts & Rebecca DuPuy > line. > Yesterday I hit pay dirt! > The church gave me the number of the church historian who descends > from James Roberts & Sarah McCormick, John Kyle's brother. She then > called some Roberts and two called me last evening. > This gave me connections, information and some information I'd > rather not have ever known. (Do you tend to idealize your ancestors > too?) > I thought this tip might help some else? > > Susan Roberts > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

I'm sorry. The McCormick line is from 1838 and not my line. But I think there are some on this list that are & hopefully they will be able to help you. Actually I have only met Roberts from that line until yesterday. Good Luck, Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: Dortha Greenlee To: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [ERATH] Results!!!! Susan, You mention the name McCormick. Do you have anything on that name for this area? My uncle married a McCormick , her name was Edith (Halbert) McCormick. She was born 1894 in Morgan Mill, Erath Co., TX. She married my dad's brother, (James) Hubert McElroy in 1913, at Thurber, Erath Co., TX. In my data base I show that Aunt Edith was born a Halbert, and that her mother, was Ida Halbert, married to John T McCormick, in 1898. Aunt Edith's sister was named Bessie. I would appreciate hearing from you. Dortha McElroy Greenlee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick and Susan" <rickandsusan@swva.net> To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 1:56 PM Subject: [ERATH] Results!!!! > Hello list, > > Yesterday afternoon I called the Valley Grove Baptist Church in > Stephenville to see if it was the same Valley Grove Church begun in the > last half of the 1880s by the DuPuy/Roberts clan of Valley grove. > It is. > I have been looking for actual Roberts for 5 years in Stephenville. I have > met some. But none from the John Kyle Roberts & Rebecca DuPuy line. > Yesterday I hit pay dirt! > The church gave me the number of the church historian who descends from > James Roberts & Sarah McCormick, John Kyle's brother. She then called some > Roberts and two called me last evening. > This gave me connections, information and some information I'd rather not > have ever known. (Do you tend to idealize your ancestors too?) > I thought this tip might help some else? > > Susan Roberts > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== --- Author Retains Copyright --- -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

Susan, You mention the name McCormick. Do you have anything on that name for this area? My uncle married a McCormick , her name was Edith (Halbert) McCormick. She was born 1894 in Morgan Mill, Erath Co., TX. She married my dad's brother, (James) Hubert McElroy in 1913, at Thurber, Erath Co., TX. In my data base I show that Aunt Edith was born a Halbert, and that her mother, was Ida Halbert, married to John T McCormick, in 1898. Aunt Edith's sister was named Bessie. I would appreciate hearing from you. Dortha McElroy Greenlee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick and Susan" <rickandsusan@swva.net> To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 1:56 PM Subject: [ERATH] Results!!!! > Hello list, > > Yesterday afternoon I called the Valley Grove Baptist Church in > Stephenville to see if it was the same Valley Grove Church begun in the > last half of the 1880s by the DuPuy/Roberts clan of Valley grove. > It is. > I have been looking for actual Roberts for 5 years in Stephenville. I have > met some. But none from the John Kyle Roberts & Rebecca DuPuy line. > Yesterday I hit pay dirt! > The church gave me the number of the church historian who descends from > James Roberts & Sarah McCormick, John Kyle's brother. She then called some > Roberts and two called me last evening. > This gave me connections, information and some information I'd rather not > have ever known. (Do you tend to idealize your ancestors too?) > I thought this tip might help some else? > > Susan Roberts > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2005 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

His daughter told me last night that he was the Clint Roberts who was deputy Sheriff in Stephenville. He was not the boxer Sunny Boy Roberts, but was a cousin of his. Clint died in 1961, age 88. He worked for the City Parks and never owned a car, but rode horse back everywhere. He & his wife Margie (Hale) lived on Belknap Street. His son, Richard Lyle Roberts (1913-1982), Wife Verna Lee, was a building contractor who built houses. His daughter Frances married Mr. Jackson who worked at the post office for 30 years. Does this bring back memories for anyone? Susan

Hello list, Yesterday afternoon I called the Valley Grove Baptist Church in Stephenville to see if it was the same Valley Grove Church begun in the last half of the 1880s by the DuPuy/Roberts clan of Valley grove. It is. I have been looking for actual Roberts for 5 years in Stephenville. I have met some. But none from the John Kyle Roberts & Rebecca DuPuy line. Yesterday I hit pay dirt! The church gave me the number of the church historian who descends from James Roberts & Sarah McCormick, John Kyle's brother. She then called some Roberts and two called me last evening. This gave me connections, information and some information I'd rather not have ever known. (Do you tend to idealize your ancestors too?) I thought this tip might help some else? Susan Roberts

Hi Margaret and list, I read the notice of the McCleskey Reunion and noticed two related families that I might have an interest in- Adams and Kiker. My Adams are descendents of Tom and Catherine Adams who settled near Thorp Springs in Hood County in the 1870s. One of their daughters, Melissa Elizabeth, married Tom Kennon, and they settled at Ward Mountain in Palo Pinto County. As to the Kikers, one of my great aunts was Kate Young. She married a Kiker and I would really like to contact any of her descendants. If any of these people sound familiar, please contact me. Shirley Young Mendelson Austin, Texas