Thanks Carlian the George's I am trying to trace right now are Andrew George d March 6 1872 and I am also trying to trace his children it is said he had 14 i only have these so far and I don't have any Dates on them Othar George Alvin George Madie George Odlin George ? George Female they called her sister Willi George Noah George Neely George Dora Armenta George b march 20 1906 ? George male Eugene V Debs George june 3 1912 he was living in Hood County when he died Marshal Andrew George that still leaves 2 unaccounted for I belive they were all born in the Texas area and most in the Erath and Hamilton Area Anything anyone would have would be greatly appreciated Thanks Evelyn Brooks Long carlian pittman wrote: > > Dear Evelyn: The Hamilton County Genealogy Society has several obits on the > George family. You can contact us at hcgs@htcomp.net > > Carlian Massingill Pittman, carlian@airmail.net or hcgs@htcomp.net

Hi, Daniel Boone and Great Grandad s ' great Grandad Col. Ben Cleveland and Toby Cleveland, Col. Ben's gun toting servant, blacksmith, and gunsmith sometimes hunted together. Col. Ben and Daniel would not use dogs as the smell and noise drew Indians. Once, Col. Ben and Daniel Boone were hunting near the Cumberland Gap, years before his daughter's second husband Evangelist Edwards was killed by Indians there in front of their family. It seems the Indians sneaked up on Daniel and Col. Ben and took their guns and clothes and shoes. They had to walk home in their birthday suits. Col. Ben was supposed to have fought 100 battles and lost none. I say he lost that one. A search is on for Blacks who served in the Revolutionary War. One is listed in Bobby Gilmer Moss's book, since 1990, on the Battle of King's Mountain. Could Toby Cleveland have been one? Seems Col. Ben would take his gunsmith along for a battle. Toby sometimes guarded the family at home. He got a larvge inheritance and became a Baptist Minister, buying land and organizing churches in the Carolinas and Georgia after Col. Ben died , leaving him his freedom papers.. Thanks for the info. Charles Wyly On Tue, 8 Sep 1998 02:03:50 EDT Bantie1@aol.com writes: >Found this on another list - Very Interesting! > >The first of May, 1769, Daniel Boone, John Findley, John Stewart and >three others hunted through upper East TN. Then on 2nd. of June 1769 a >larger company of hunters including John Rains, Kasper Mansco, Abraham >Bledsoe, John Baker, Joseph Drake, Obediah Terrell, Uriah Stone, Henry >Smith, Ned Cowan, and Robert Crockett hunted and explored Middle TN. >These pioneer hunters returned to their homes after nine months. In >1770 their friends and neighbors were enraptured by their tales, so >about forty other hunters journeyed to the New, Holston and Clinch >River areas to hunt and trap. They were led by Colonel James Knox and >were equipped with thier rifles, traps, dogs, and blankets. After >staying for many months they returned home and ever after were known >as the "Long Hunters". They were called "Long Hunters" for being gone >from home such a long time and traveling very long distances. Daniel >Boone usally hunted for periods of up to two years. > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Some known connections- According to the Tarrant- Tuggle- -Herndon Histories of Bradford England, their plant made navy uniforms for many European countries for over 300years. Great GreatGrandad Dr. W.P.Hatchett of Ga. and Erath County , Texas was the son of Ekizabeth Tuggle of these families, one of whom gave Christ Church in Bradford, England to the parish. In Belgium the name was Tugglestine.Concerning the Quebec and French and Indian campasigns, where do i find the names of the soldiers in Roger's Rangers? James Wyly was a colonial Army Captain . PBS series mentioned one soldier was a James Wyly from England. My Great Aunt Agness Hatchett Wyly of Erath County, Texas said James had come here in the army and returned to Scotland, then he and Robert came back together. with a North Ireland stop in Dublin. Roger's Rangers lived by the code written then and still used by Army Rangers- live off the land, survive, and show up with force at totally unexpected and almost impossible places. Anyone have a reference book on Roger's Rangers?? I have never seen a complete roster. In 1812 one froup of the Georgia Militia was made up of 700 Anglos and 400 Cherokee in Georgia Militia uniforms. Great Grandad's grandad, General (eventually) James Rutherford Wyly was second in command. They sacked Talahasse and other towns, then were ambushed. The Seminole were at war with the Georgia Cherokee, many of whom had Anglo or German in laws and cousins. Textbooks are wrong when they say all Cherokee sided with the Britishin Rev. & 1812 Wars. Clarkesville, Ga. has several Ga. 1812 war markers on them. Gen. Ben Cleveland, running buddy of J.R. Wyly and Col. Ben's grand son, is buried near J.R. and Sarah Hawkins Clark, Gov. Sevier's granddaughter he raised, by her testimony to her grandkids, includingmy great grandad who lived in Erath County, Texas after I was born. Mom was a Carey from Hope, Arkansas. A James Carey was a scout and interpretor for Gov. John Sevier in Indian campaigns he carried out under Pres. Jackson's orders, even though they became political enemies and even tried to fight a duel. Jackson had killed the previous dueler who questioned the circumstances of Jackson's wife's divorce standing under North Carolina law. You mentioned a Hiram Stone in the long hunters. Will check- sounds like Great Grandad James T Stone's family of Batesville, Ark. and Hope- nashville area. Thanks for the info. Charles Wyly We paid the Cherokee- not all full blood- with the Trail of Tears. On Tue, 8 Sep 1998 01:45:43 EDT Bantie1@aol.com writes: >Friends --- >Have an ancestor who fought in some "war" you never heard of? Here's >a list >of the war's fought mostly on North American soil. I've never heard >of some >of them.Thanks to Dan Burrows (dburrows1@juno.com) for compiling and >sharing!! >WAR DATES AREA >French-Spanish 1565-67 Florida >English-French 1613-1629 Canada >Anglo-French 1629 St.Lawrence River >Pequot War 1636-37 New England >??? 1640-45 New Netherland >Iroquois 1642-53 New England/ Acadia >Anglo-Dutch July 1653 New Netherland >Bacon's Rebellion 1675-76 Virginia >King Philip's 1675-76 New England >War In North 1676-78 Maine >Culpepper's Reb'n 1677-80 Carolinas >Leisler's Rebellion 1688-91 New England >Revolution in MD 1689 Maryland >Glorious Revolution 1689 New England >King Willliam's War 1689-97 Canada >Queen Anne's 1702-13 New England >Tuscarora 1711-12 Virginia >Jenkin's Ear 1739-42 Florida >King George's 1740 GA & VA >Louisbourg 1745 New England >Fort Necessity 1754 Ohio >Anglo-French 1755-58 Canada >French & Indian 1754-63 New Eng;VA >Siege of Quebec 1759 Canada >American Revolution 1775-83 USA >Wyoming Valley 1782-87 Pennsylvania >Shay's Rebellion 12/1786-1/1787 Massachusetts >Whiskey Insurrection 1794 Pennsylvania >Northwestern Indian 1790-95 Ohio >War with France 1798-1800 Naval >War with Tripoli(Naval) 1801-05 North Coast Africa >Burr's Insurrection 1806-1807 South Mississippi Valley > >Chesapeake (Naval) 1807 Virginia >Northwestern Indian 1811 Indiana >Florida Seminole Indian 1812 FL (GA Volunteers) >War of 1812 1812-15 General >Peoria Indian 1813 Illinois >Creek Indian 1813-14 South >Lafitte's Pirates 1814 Local >Barbary Pirates 1815 North Coast Africa >Seminole Indian 1817-18 FL & GA >Lafitte's Pirates 1821 Galveston >Arickaree Indian 1823 Missouri River/Dakota >Territory >Fever River Indian 1827 Illinois >Winnebago Indian 1827 Wisonsin >Sac & Fox Indian 1831 Illinois >Black Hawk 1832 Illinois & Wisconsin >Toledo 1835-36 Ohio & Michagan >Texan 1835-36 Texas >Indian Stream 1835-36 New Hampshire >Creek Indian 1836-37 Georgia & Alabama >Florida (Seminole) 1835-42 FL, GA, & AL >Sabine / Southwestern 1836-37 Louisiana/Indian Territory >Cherokee 1836-38 --- >Osage Indian 1837 Missouri >Heatherly Distrubance 1836 Missouri >Mormon 1838 Missouri >Aroostook 1839 Maine >Dorr's Rebellion 1842 Rhode Island >Mormon 1844 Illinois >Mexican 1846-1848 Mexico >Cayuse Indian 1847-48 Oregon >TX & NM Indian 1849-55 --- >California Indian 1851-52 --- >Utah Indian 1850-53 --- >Rogue River Indian 1851, 1853, 1856 Oregon >Oregon Indian 1854 Oregon >Nicaraguan 1854-58 Naval >Kansas Troubles 1854-59 Kansas >Yakima Indian 1855 Local >Klamath & Salmon Indian 1855 Oregon & Idaho River >Florida Indian 1855-58 Florida >John Brown's Raid 1859 VA >War of Rebellion 1860-65 General >Cheyenne 1861-64 Local >Sioux 1862-63 Minnesota >Indian Campaign 1865-68 OR, ID, CA >Fenian Invasion of Canada 1866 From New England >Indian Campaign 1867-69 KS, CO & Ind. Terr. >Modoc Indian 1872-73 OR, CA >Apaches 1873 Arizona >Indian Campaigns 1874-75 KS, CO, TX, NM, & Ind. Terr. >Cheyenne & Sioux 1876-77 Dakota >Nez Perce 1877 Idaho >Bannock 1878 ID, Wash. Terr. & Wyoming >Terr. >White Riv. (Ute Ind.) 1879 Utah & Coloradp >Cheyenne 1878-79 Dakota & Montana >Spanish-American 1898-99 Cuba >Phillippine Insurrection 1899-1902 Philippine Islands >______________________________ > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Found this on another list - Very Interesting! The first of May, 1769, Daniel Boone, John Findley, John Stewart and three others hunted through upper East TN. Then on 2nd. of June 1769 a larger company of hunters including John Rains, Kasper Mansco, Abraham Bledsoe, John Baker, Joseph Drake, Obediah Terrell, Uriah Stone, Henry Smith, Ned Cowan, and Robert Crockett hunted and explored Middle TN. These pioneer hunters returned to their homes after nine months. In 1770 their friends and neighbors were enraptured by their tales, so about forty other hunters journeyed to the New, Holston and Clinch River areas to hunt and trap. They were led by Colonel James Knox and were equipped with thier rifles, traps, dogs, and blankets. After staying for many months they returned home and ever after were known as the "Long Hunters". They were called "Long Hunters" for being gone from home such a long time and traveling very long distances. Daniel Boone usally hunted for periods of up to two years.

Friends --- Have an ancestor who fought in some "war" you never heard of? Here's a list of the war's fought mostly on North American soil. I've never heard of some of them.Thanks to Dan Burrows (dburrows1@juno.com) for compiling and sharing!! WAR DATES AREA French-Spanish 1565-67 Florida English-French 1613-1629 Canada Anglo-French 1629 St.Lawrence River Pequot War 1636-37 New England ??? 1640-45 New Netherland Iroquois 1642-53 New England/ Acadia Anglo-Dutch July 1653 New Netherland Bacon's Rebellion 1675-76 Virginia King Philip's 1675-76 New England War In North 1676-78 Maine Culpepper's Reb'n 1677-80 Carolinas Leisler's Rebellion 1688-91 New England Revolution in MD 1689 Maryland Glorious Revolution 1689 New England King Willliam's War 1689-97 Canada Queen Anne's 1702-13 New England Tuscarora 1711-12 Virginia Jenkin's Ear 1739-42 Florida King George's 1740 GA & VA Louisbourg 1745 New England Fort Necessity 1754 Ohio Anglo-French 1755-58 Canada French & Indian 1754-63 New Eng;VA Siege of Quebec 1759 Canada American Revolution 1775-83 USA Wyoming Valley 1782-87 Pennsylvania Shay's Rebellion 12/1786-1/1787 Massachusetts Whiskey Insurrection 1794 Pennsylvania Northwestern Indian 1790-95 Ohio War with France 1798-1800 Naval War with Tripoli(Naval) 1801-05 North Coast Africa Burr's Insurrection 1806-1807 South Mississippi Valley Chesapeake (Naval) 1807 Virginia Northwestern Indian 1811 Indiana Florida Seminole Indian 1812 FL (GA Volunteers) War of 1812 1812-15 General Peoria Indian 1813 Illinois Creek Indian 1813-14 South Lafitte's Pirates 1814 Local Barbary Pirates 1815 North Coast Africa Seminole Indian 1817-18 FL & GA Lafitte's Pirates 1821 Galveston Arickaree Indian 1823 Missouri River/Dakota Territory Fever River Indian 1827 Illinois Winnebago Indian 1827 Wisonsin Sac & Fox Indian 1831 Illinois Black Hawk 1832 Illinois & Wisconsin Toledo 1835-36 Ohio & Michagan Texan 1835-36 Texas Indian Stream 1835-36 New Hampshire Creek Indian 1836-37 Georgia & Alabama Florida (Seminole) 1835-42 FL, GA, & AL Sabine / Southwestern 1836-37 Louisiana/Indian Territory Cherokee 1836-38 --- Osage Indian 1837 Missouri Heatherly Distrubance 1836 Missouri Mormon 1838 Missouri Aroostook 1839 Maine Dorr's Rebellion 1842 Rhode Island Mormon 1844 Illinois Mexican 1846-1848 Mexico Cayuse Indian 1847-48 Oregon TX & NM Indian 1849-55 --- California Indian 1851-52 --- Utah Indian 1850-53 --- Rogue River Indian 1851, 1853, 1856 Oregon Oregon Indian 1854 Oregon Nicaraguan 1854-58 Naval Kansas Troubles 1854-59 Kansas Yakima Indian 1855 Local Klamath & Salmon Indian 1855 Oregon & Idaho River Florida Indian 1855-58 Florida John Brown's Raid 1859 VA War of Rebellion 1860-65 General Cheyenne 1861-64 Local Sioux 1862-63 Minnesota Indian Campaign 1865-68 OR, ID, CA Fenian Invasion of Canada 1866 From New England Indian Campaign 1867-69 KS, CO & Ind. Terr. Modoc Indian 1872-73 OR, CA Apaches 1873 Arizona Indian Campaigns 1874-75 KS, CO, TX, NM, & Ind. Terr. Cheyenne & Sioux 1876-77 Dakota Nez Perce 1877 Idaho Bannock 1878 ID, Wash. Terr. & Wyoming Terr. White Riv. (Ute Ind.) 1879 Utah & Coloradp Cheyenne 1878-79 Dakota & Montana Spanish-American 1898-99 Cuba Phillippine Insurrection 1899-1902 Philippine Islands ______________________________

Hi Folks! The following came up on another list I'm on, so I thought I should post it with you as it seems to be a potentially good source of info. > http://www.doitnow.com/~moravia/marry.html#New Happy Rootin' Shirley Willett

Hi Folks! The following came up on another list I'm on, so I thought I should post it with you as it seems to be a potentially good source of info. > http://www.doitnow.com/~moravia/marry.html#New Happy Rootin' Shirley Willett

Found this on another list-Thought it was worth shareing! Among the states in the Union, Tennessee figures most prominently in the ancestry of Texans. In 1796, TN was the 15th state to enter the Union, but settlers had lived there since Colonial times. TN has no 1790, 1800 or 1810 census records, so it is difficult to find who lived in TN or in what county a family resided. Because of a complex legal situation, the state of NC continued to own all of the vacant lands in TN until 1806, so genealogits must look to an entirley different jurisdiction to locate the relevant records for ancestors in TN. Finding your TN ancestors has become easier with the release of NC's index to TN land warrants. It is an alphabetical index containing names of individual who had initiated the process to acquire lands in what is now TN. NC issued land warrants to individuals who had earned land as their bounty by fighting in the Continental Line during the Revolutionary War. The state also issued land warrants to individuals who purchased the right to lands in TN. This new index includes both classes of landowners. A land warrant is an intermediate step in the land-granting process. You can expect to find the names of many individuals in the index who will never appear in the land grant index. Sometimes a person sold his warrant to another. Sometimes he died, and the grant was issued in the name of the his heir. Sometimes he abandoned the property because of prospects of economic despair. The index gives the name of warrantee, the reel and frame numbers on the microfilm where the record may be found and the count where the land lay at the time of the grant. It is contained on microfiche. Since TN was under the control of NC during the Revolutionary War, the records of the 'over the mountain men' from east TN who routed the imperial British forces at the Battle of King's Mountain would be listed in NC soliers. The Tar Heel State has 10 rolls of Revolutionary Army Accounts. Unfortunately, the records have no predictable arrangement. They are not alphabetical, or by county or chronological. The series is being transcribed, with nine volumes finished, but it is far from completion. Fortunately, the NC Archives has prepared an every-name microfiche index to the entire set. Many of these Revolutionary veterans appear in no other record. Because NC militia records no longer survive, the army accounts are even more valuable. The General Levi Casey Chapter of the Daughters of the American Revolution has presented both the these magnificent set to the Genealogy Section of the Dallas Public Library.

The Veteran's Administration has discovered some 10 million duplicates of 20th century military records thought to have been destroyed in their 1973 fire. If you have been told the records you need were burned in that fire, you may want to write again: National Personnel Records GSA, 9700 Page Blvd. St. Louis, MO 63132 Advise them -- Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marines -- and they will send you forms to obtain all copies of your active duty records. From: "Disabled American Veterans Bulletin", newsletter April/March 1998.

Shirley, Thank you!! Joy -----Original Message----- From: Bantie1@aol.com <Bantie1@aol.com> To: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, September 07, 1998 11:02 PM Subject: [ERATH] Online Vital Records >Hi Folks! > >The following came up on another list I'm on, so I thought I should post it >with you as it seems to be a potentially good source of info. > >> http://www.doitnow.com/~moravia/marry.html#New > >Happy Rootin' >Shirley Willett >

Forgot to tell you that there are long mail and school bus routes with Hico, Hamilton County addresses, but they are in Selden, Chalk Mountain, and Johnsville and Duffau- all Erath County. Mail addresses have nothing to do with county lines. Happy hunting, Charles Wyly On Sat, 05 Sep 1998 11:55:41 -0700 Kyle & Evelyn Long <belle@mwec.com> writes: >I am Looking for a Marriage Record on Eugene V Deb's George b1912 and >Minnie Evelyn Payne b 1917 they would have been married maybe By an >uncle by the name of ? simmons he was a baptize preacher in that area. > > > >I am also Looking for information on William D Payne here is a story >that my grandmother told me and I am trying to Find some info on she >said that William Killed his best friend over Land and only served 9 >months for interesting family hu well granny says that when she met >her >husband family that one of his uncles served on the Jury that >convicted >her grandfather. and his Last name would be maybe Simmons From Erath >Or >Hamilton Area > >Any thing yall might have would be wonderful > >Thanks Evelyn Long > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Dear Folks, Tom Payne was an early postmaster in Selden, Texas. on Sims Creek. He married Minnie Olivia Wyly, born 5/26/1865 & died 1912. She was born Habersham County, Georgia. He is buried in Selden (Hatchett ) Cemetery on the Duffau Creek surrounded by Wyly dairy land. She was my Great Grandad's half sister- one of Oliver Cromwell Wyly's 23 children. He also raised 3 others. (Clarkesville - Hiawasse Georgia area) Ida Minerva Wyly b. 1868, sister of Minnie, married John Kay. He owned the store which contained the Selden Post Office. Their mother was Martha Catherine Mitchell- a Eddins- Yowell- Moulder( Col. Von Moller- German) Cleveland descendant. John Kay sold his prairie farm between Selden and Crockett school (Recently part of Charlie Neblett ranch) and moved to Stephenville, where he had various businesses and investments. Janie Furman of Albequerque has much Wyly- Kay- and reelated history. She is John's granddaughter & may have some Payne records. Al Payne ran the Aderholdt Funeral Home in West , Texas (McLennan County) and I think he had lived in Meridian. Bob George runs a daily religious show on a Dallas Station 660 and on Waco 1010, called "People to People" and teaches "Classic Christianity". His wife is a former Russian prisoner. I worked with a Simmons at Convair Fort Worth and we carpooled from Stephenville daily. was it you that recently said that some of the Georges lived in Tolar, Texas once? Hope this helps. Charles Wyly On Sat, 05 Sep 1998 11:55:41 -0700 Kyle & Evelyn Long <belle@mwec.com> writes: >I am Looking for a Marriage Record on Eugene V Deb's George b1912 and >Minnie Evelyn Payne b 1917 they would have been married maybe By an >uncle by the name of ? simmons he was a baptize preacher in that area. > > > >I am also Looking for information on William D Payne here is a story >that my grandmother told me and I am trying to Find some info on she >said that William Killed his best friend over Land and only served 9 >months for interesting family hu well granny says that when she met >her >husband family that one of his uncles served on the Jury that >convicted >her grandfather. and his Last name would be maybe Simmons From Erath >Or >Hamilton Area > >Any thing yall might have would be wonderful > >Thanks Evelyn Long > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

I am Looking for a Marriage Record on Eugene V Deb's George b1912 and Minnie Evelyn Payne b 1917 they would have been married maybe By an uncle by the name of ? simmons he was a baptize preacher in that area. I am also Looking for information on William D Payne here is a story that my grandmother told me and I am trying to Find some info on she said that William Killed his best friend over Land and only served 9 months for interesting family hu well granny says that when she met her husband family that one of his uncles served on the Jury that convicted her grandfather. and his Last name would be maybe Simmons From Erath Or Hamilton Area Any thing yall might have would be wonderful Thanks Evelyn Long

Roy, i just noticed- I let 2 sentences run together and may have not made it clear that the Katy shops, lake, roundhouse, college, bandstands, hospital, and gym and classrooms the WPA made from old railroad buildings was in Walnut Springs (Bosque County) on Steele Creek, not in Hico on the Bosque. The grade to Glen Rose was also from Walnut Springs but no track was ever laid on the roadbed. One of the 4 bands in Walnut played every sunday afternoon for park visitors while fancy divers swam in the lake. One bandstand was in the lake. One is the City Park bandstand under the pecan trees grafted by Ross Wolfe and crew when he was starting Wolfe's Nursery in Stephenville. They are hue now. The 6 man football field is on old Railroad property. Sorry about the mistake- might be confusing if you don't know the country. Take care Charles Wyly The Birdsong Peanut run used to use one Diesel to pull a Sunday afternoon ride from Gorman to Dublin and back- sometimes running with the engine exposedBeyond that track the sheetrock is no longer moved from West Texas to Waco. The highway bridge across the middle of Lake Whitney was built on an old railroad tressle bridge- May have been the old Katy, but I was thinking it was the old I&GN (Tin Can) Railroad. Katy stopped their runs late 1960's , about 1970's and had a 5 mile speed limit through Walnut Springs a few years before that. When Walnut Springs won Regional in 6 man football, the players told me in the classroom that they would go down the night before the game and jump on empty sheetrock flat cars and run and jump from one to another. One star athlete missed and caught the front of a car with his leg boucing on the rail in front of a wheel and pulled himself back up and played that week. They would get off at Iredell or Hico and a friend would pick them up. Some got College football scholarships. The roadbed today has Federal Housing projects- single homes or duplexes in several of the towns the katy used. The I.& Gn. ran east out of Hillsboro through Brandon, by hwy 22 It may have joined the Katy in Hillsboro where the Katy turned to Waco. On Thu, 03 Sep 1998 10:55:29 -0500 Roy Ables <roya@airmail.net> writes: >How would I go about finding information as to when RAILROADS >first came to Erath County and their names? > >Thanks for any help. > >-- >Roy Ables >Home Address 1808 Stolper Dr. Arlington, Tx 76013 >Genealogy Home Page http://users.why.net/roya >E-Mail roya@airmail.net > > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Dear Roy, Stephenville was the last town in Erath County to get a Railroad. Best I remember it was the Santa Fe. It had passenger trains which stopped at Bluff Dale for water. I have letters and a diary of my Great Aunt Susie Moxley from Johnn Tarleton College riding this train with college friends to visit college friends and their parents in Bluff Dale, Texas. Hico and Duffau had the first ones which had horse drawn taxi service to Stephenville. Don't know2 if the TP at Thurber, Erath County was oldest or not, but it brought hundreds of European Immigrants in less than 5"tall, to mine the thin hard coal veins. TP Coal and Oil actively recruited these immigrants and paid the expense for their families to come to Thurber and live in company owned houses. This was a main line to California from Fort Worth. Not sure , but I think the one at Duffau was the old I & GN or "Tin Can Railroad. The one at Hico was the old Texas Central with roundhouse, for turning locomotives, the shops, the lake for steam powered shops, the Texas Central Hospital on Steele Creek, the Texas Central College and Railroad houses. It sold out to MKT- Missouri- Kansas- Texas- or Katy who closed the shops and moved them to Waco. A few years later they were moved to McKinney. The old shops in Waco were used by R.G. Letorneau Tech during the Korean and Vietnam War to make artillery shell casings. The building still stands. The Katy shops in Walnut Springs were moved by the WPA in the 1930's to the school and became a gym with a stage at one end and Vocational Agriculture classrooms below the stage. There were two classrooms at the entrance . One was used as a comodity storage and one was a concession stand where we enterred the lunch room under the bleachers. The dressing rooms were under the south bleachers. The buildingg is no longer standing, but the school thrives. The Katy followed the Hwy 6 from Meridian to Albany or Anson Sheetrock and lime plants into the 1970's, appx. Birdsong Peanut in Gorman bought the tracks from Gorman to Dublin to get bulk peanuts to the Stephenville RR Tracks for shipment to Georgia and others who made peanut candy. Another RR was the Stephenville, Alexander and Orient, which ran trains but went broke before completion. Alexander no longer has a school or church- They had a High School in the 1940's . If these schools were so bad, how did their students get so smart and become so successful with 7 or 8 month of school a year???? Somerville County is probably the only county without a Railroad, unless one was laid to service the Comanche Peak Neuclear Plant. Private investors built a Railroad grade embankment from Walnut Springs to Glen Rose. No track was ever laid, but the grade is still visible. The Texas Electric Interurban - 1 & 2 cars- joined Waco to Fort Worth and Dallas and once extended farther north and some say it went to Temple- following I-35- the old Spanish Arkansas trail to Mexico- and a major stagecoach route. Today you will see busses and trucks from Mexico on I-35 which are not required to meet Texas safety standards, but most look in good shape. . We often see convoys of 2 vehicles in tow going to Mexico , especially pickups, to be rebuilt and returned to Texas dealers. Transporthation changes. A RR agent in Elm Mott, William Custeed and a friend Mr. Whitehead of Ohio flew 8 moveable wing aircraft 6 years before the Wright Brothers and had a contract with the War Department to develop the airships- see book with Tribune Herald photos and stories called " Did William Custeed Fly First?" by Nick Pocock He supposedly flew it from Elm Mott to Tokio and back- at least 7 miles. If I had been one of the first generation Czech immigrants he flew over, I certainly would not have told about it, especially since the McLennan County Ku Klux Klan told their children that people who did not speak English and attended Catholic Schools, were not " White"They look white to me- many of their grandchildren attend Baylor University. Confused yet? Happy Hunting Charles Wyly On Thu, 03 Sep 1998 10:55:29 -0500 Roy Ables <roya@airmail.net> writes: >How would I go about finding information as to when RAILROADS >first came to Erath County and their names? > >Thanks for any help. > >-- >Roy Ables >Home Address 1808 Stolper Dr. Arlington, Tx 76013 >Genealogy Home Page http://users.why.net/roya >E-Mail roya@airmail.net > > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

How would I go about finding information as to when RAILROADS first came to Erath County and their names? Thanks for any help. -- Roy Ables Home Address 1808 Stolper Dr. Arlington, Tx 76013 Genealogy Home Page http://users.why.net/roya E-Mail roya@airmail.net

This message as shown by my computer return had improper protocol or/and a fatal error. I punched the return button and it did not go through, now what? Charles Wyly --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON@MCI.Com> To: <wyly1@juno.com> Subject: Returned mail: User unknown Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:30:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <199808312030.PAA28439@beta.mcit.com> This is a MIME-encapsulated message --PAA28439.904595422/beta.mcit.com The original message was received at Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:30:19 -0500 (CDT) from m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <wyly1@mci.com> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to ndcrelay.mcit.com.: >>> RCPT To:<wyly1@mci.com> <<< 550 <wyly1@mci.com>... User unknown 550 <wyly1@mci.com>... 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User unknown Last-Attempt-Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:30:22 -0500 (CDT) --PAA28439.904595422/beta.mcit.com Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: <wyly1@juno.com> Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA28415 for <wyly1@mci.com>; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:30:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from wyly1@juno.com) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DMZP3L4Y; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:23:08 EDT To: wyly1@mci.com Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:33:19 -0500 Subject: wyly1@juno.com (charles a Wyly): Re: [ERATH] 1872 cattle drive Message-ID: <19980831.153330.3206.15.Wyly1@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-9,25-26,37-38,48-49,61-62,66,75-76,83-84,90-107,111-112 From: wyly1@juno.com (charles a Wyly) --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: wyly1@juno.com (charles a Wyly) To: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ERATH] 1872 cattle drive Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:15:00 EDT Message-ID: <19980831.152532.3206.8.Wyly1@juno.com> References: <199808301952.MAA26491@chatlink.com> Lana- after re-reading your letter and my reply, let me simplify my answer. if your ancestors joined the Goodnight- Loving Trail in the present Erath County, it is reasonable this drive did not originate in the Palo Duro Canyon south of Amarillo. The Texas Almanac shows another East branch of the trail starting west of Fort Worth in the vicinity of the W.T. Waggoner Ranch near Weatherford. If they drove cattle straight west on the presentgeneral route of I-20 and climbed the Ranger hill they were in Erath County in the vicinity of Thurber and may have turned south toward Desdemona (Hogtown) then to Comanche, Brownwood, and San Angelo, intersecting Palo Duro Canyon Branch in the Concho River and Colorado River (Of Texas) near San Angelo, below Colorado City, Texas. Depends on the grass, Indians, and new fences. They could have crossed Erath and continued due west along the present I-20 route to Abilene and then turned south through the Buffalo Gap, then to San Angelo.The Abilene route was more open, except for the Callahan Mesqitue groves. Would be more water and less mesqitue through Comanche and Brownwood The Spanish had named the High Plains the LLano Estacado or the Staked Plains. The Indian guides for Spanish taught them to collect tall Yucca bloom stems and at night by the campfire, peel them They were used to put a bright- almost white stake every so many yards across the High Plains. There were no other landmarks to sight on and avoid going in a circle. Even the wind isn't from a constant direction all day every day, At Camp Val Verde, Waco, they taught us how to break sticks or pile rocks making an arrow point down the trail., Indian style. Flat on the ground, the wind would not move these markers. A combination of Stakes and arrows on the ground would be simple to read and easy to change to decieve an enemy following you. Perhaps your family joined a larger drive of Waggoner or other cattle for the Goodnight- Loving trail. The Waggoner was a favorite of Teddy Roosevelt and one ranch house near Cresson had a room he had stayed in . The Fort Worth Star- Telegram has carried stories on the ranch and some western trails over the years, usually during the Southwestern Exposition and Livestock Show. The season for this fair has also changed over the years. I attended the 1936 Texas State Centenial in both Dallas and Fort Worth with my parents. . For educational trips like that with parents, you were counted present at school- I had a perfect attendance slip that year. By the way, it sounds strange to some that they drove cattle from Colorado to the Palo Duro Canyon area, then later drove them farther south to get back to Colorado up the Pecos and Rio Grande Rivers. No stranger than the Kuykendalls, who were active in Bosque County from 1830-s on, in the 1940's they would buy East Texas cattle as needed to supplement the herd. If Bosque County range got too dry they, in 1950's sometimes loaded cattle in Diesel Truck trailers and took them to Wyoming or other summer pasture in the area, and when winter set in, they would send them to market or bring some back to the fresh winter green grain grazing in Bosque County. Their Kuykendall Land & Cattle, downtown office in Clifton , Texas was open until a few years ago. I no longer see their signs. According to PBS programs, the surplus Black Drovers put out of business when the trail drives ceased, often joined the Buffalo Soldiers and manned the Fort Concho and other Southwestern Forts. Think one was in Yellowhouse Canyon, west of Levelland. The Indians named them in honor of their fear and respect of them . They drew 2/3 of the pay of a White soldier, as did the ones who served in the Civil War. The U.S.Army kept troops segregated until after WW2- usually with some White officers. I was in the first integrated Heavy Tank Batallion in the Korean War. A main street in Fort Hood is named for the 751 Black Tank Batalion , across the street from us at Camp Polk. Most of them in WW2 fought under the French Flag- not their own Stars and Stripes. Some had Czech officers from Central Texas- who had lived near Black farm workers. The Confederacy and the Georgia, Militia, had integrated troops from 1812 to the end of the Civil War and they were given the same pay as white soldiers. One entire company of Black soldiers volunteered to Louisiana Civil War officers, only to be rejected as untrustworthy after a lengthy argument among white officers. They preferred integrated units to encourage each other. The volunteer Free Blacks rode north and joined the Northern Army to get respect. In the war of 1812, Gen. James Rutherford Wyly was second in command of the Georgia Militia unit that sacked and burned Talahassee, Fla. They had 700 White and 400 Cherokee slodiers- the Cherokees were mad at the Seminoles for backing the British against their Anglo cousins. They were paid back by Andrew Jackson with the Trail of Tears when the Anglos found the Georgia Gold Fields. Seems sometimes we are our own worst enemy. Happy Hunting, Charles Wyly On Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:04:56 -0700 "lana" <lana@chatlink.com> writes: >My Tuckers left on a cattle drive in 1872 heading for Colorado or >Montana, >I am told they went south, because of the Indians, & took the >Loving-goodnight trail. If they left Erath Co, where does the trail >start. >If it starts in Texas, what counties does it go thru in Texas. I am >told >they were attacked & my Tucker family lost there herd, also there was >a >doctor that was killed, any one know about this story ? Lana > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. 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We received a message from Debbie Fowler today announcing a new addition to the North Carolina Revolutionary War Project. Read and contribute to "Stories of our Revolutionary War Ancestors." If you had ancestors that came from NC during the Revolutionary War period, your contributions could make a great difference. Go to our "Self Portraits" site at http://www.selfroots.com Scroll down the page and click on "Link YourSelf." On "Link YourSelf," go to the Genealogy Section. This new link is the first one there. It is also mirrored on the main page of our NCCLAY USGenWeb site at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncclay Barbara seawolf@selfroots.com http://www.selfroots.com

Lana- after re-reading your letter and my reply, let me simplify my answer. if your ancestors joined the Goodnight- Loving Trail in the present Erath County, it is reasonable this drive did not originate in the Palo Duro Canyon south of Amarillo. The Texas Almanac shows another East branch of the trail starting west of Fort Worth in the vicinity of the W.T. Waggoner Ranch near Weatherford. If they drove cattle straight west on the presentgeneral route of I-20 and climbed the Ranger hill they were in Erath County in the vicinity of Thurber and may have turned south toward Desdemona (Hogtown) then to Comanche, Brownwood, and San Angelo, intersecting Palo Duro Canyon Branch in the Concho River and Colorado River (Of Texas) near San Angelo, below Colorado City, Texas. Depends on the grass, Indians, and new fences. They could have crossed Erath and continued due west along the present I-20 route to Abilene and then turned south through the Buffalo Gap, then to San Angelo.The Abilene route was more open, except for the Callahan Mesqitue groves. Would be more water and less mesqitue through Comanche and Brownwood The Spanish had named the High Plains the LLano Estacado or the Staked Plains. The Indian guides for Spanish taught them to collect tall Yucca bloom stems and at night by the campfire, peel them They were used to put a bright- almost white stake every so many yards across the High Plains. There were no other landmarks to sight on and avoid going in a circle. Even the wind isn't from a constant direction all day every day, At Camp Val Verde, Waco, they taught us how to break sticks or pile rocks making an arrow point down the trail., Indian style. Flat on the ground, the wind would not move these markers. A combination of Stakes and arrows on the ground would be simple to read and easy to change to decieve an enemy following you. Perhaps your family joined a larger drive of Waggoner or other cattle for the Goodnight- Loving trail. The Waggoner was a favorite of Teddy Roosevelt and one ranch house near Cresson had a room he had stayed in . The Fort Worth Star- Telegram has carried stories on the ranch and some western trails over the years, usually during the Southwestern Exposition and Livestock Show. The season for this fair has also changed over the years. I attended the 1936 Texas State Centenial in both Dallas and Fort Worth with my parents. . For educational trips like that with parents, you were counted present at school- I had a perfect attendance slip that year. By the way, it sounds strange to some that they drove cattle from Colorado to the Palo Duro Canyon area, then later drove them farther south to get back to Colorado up the Pecos and Rio Grande Rivers. No stranger than the Kuykendalls, who were active in Bosque County from 1830-s on, in the 1940's they would buy East Texas cattle as needed to supplement the herd. If Bosque County range got too dry they, in 1950's sometimes loaded cattle in Diesel Truck trailers and took them to Wyoming or other summer pasture in the area, and when winter set in, they would send them to market or bring some back to the fresh winter green grain grazing in Bosque County. Their Kuykendall Land & Cattle, downtown office in Clifton , Texas was open until a few years ago. I no longer see their signs. According to PBS programs, the surplus Black Drovers put out of business when the trail drives ceased, often joined the Buffalo Soldiers and manned the Fort Concho and other Southwestern Forts. Think one was in Yellowhouse Canyon, west of Levelland. The Indians named them in honor of their fear and respect of them . They drew 2/3 of the pay of a White soldier, as did the ones who served in the Civil War. The U.S.Army kept troops segregated until after WW2- usually with some White officers. I was in the first integrated Heavy Tank Batallion in the Korean War. A main street in Fort Hood is named for the 751 Black Tank Batalion , across the street from us at Camp Polk. Most of them in WW2 fought under the French Flag- not their own Stars and Stripes. Some had Czech officers from Central Texas- who had lived near Black farm workers. The Confederacy and the Georgia, Militia, had integrated troops from 1812 to the end of the Civil War and they were given the same pay as white soldiers. One entire company of Black soldiers volunteered to Louisiana Civil War officers, only to be rejected as untrustworthy after a lengthy argument among white officers. They preferred integrated units to encourage each other. The volunteer Free Blacks rode north and joined the Northern Army to get respect. In the war of 1812, Gen. James Rutherford Wyly was second in command of the Georgia Militia unit that sacked and burned Talahassee, Fla. They had 700 White and 400 Cherokee slodiers- the Cherokees were mad at the Seminoles for backing the British against their Anglo cousins. They were paid back by Andrew Jackson with the Trail of Tears when the Anglos found the Georgia Gold Fields. Seems sometimes we are our own worst enemy. Happy Hunting, Charles Wyly On Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:04:56 -0700 "lana" <lana@chatlink.com> writes: >My Tuckers left on a cattle drive in 1872 heading for Colorado or >Montana, >I am told they went south, because of the Indians, & took the >Loving-goodnight trail. If they left Erath Co, where does the trail >start. >If it starts in Texas, what counties does it go thru in Texas. I am >told >they were attacked & my Tucker family lost there herd, also there was >a >doctor that was killed, any one know about this story ? Lana > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Does anyone have any information on Thompson's Studio in Dublin,TX? I am trying to date a photograph taken there, and would like info on dates they were in business. Thanks, Phyl -- Mailto:fvvpjv29@idt.net