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    1. [ERATH] East Indian Anglos and Germans
    2. KARLA KT SHAHAN
    3. Dear Charlies Wyly, I am interested to know some information regarding these early families that you have mentioned in your previous post: "More "Anglo" and German settlers in Erath County had Eastern Indian roots not obvious or worn as a chip on the shoulder- in fact it was mentioned only to friends. John R. Baylor and his Central Texas Rangers (Sometimes a legal posse- sometime Vigilantes) drove these friendly defenders to Oklahoma- Caddo- Chickasha area via Fort Phantom Hill, Abilene, then went to Arizona and became governor. " Can you tell me where these settlers came from? Virginia and Tennessee? From Gulf ports newly arrived in the US? What were some of the family surnames? Were these families farmers or merchants, blacksmiths, tinkers, tailors, or preachers? Were these people driven out... is that what you are saying, by the Central Texas Rangers... the group of ex Confederate misfits? Please elaborate, as you are so good at this. We really do enjoy your posts. Karla Shahan ktshahan@juno.com ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

    09/29/1999 08:01:47
    1. [ERATH] Coxes on this list
    2. DeWayne Wallace
    3. Dear Listers: If there are any Coxes on this list, I would like to visit with you. Please respond to my email rather than the list. Also there used to be a Cox reunion held at the Johnsville cemetery. Does anyone in Erath Co. know something about it or where I can reach someone who would know. Thanks for your assistance. DeWayne Wallace dewayne@apex2000.net

    09/28/1999 09:16:00
    1. Re: [ERATH] Erath County Ancestors
    2. Judi Clark
    3. Wonderful Charles! I thoroughly enjoyed it! Judi Clark San Diego, CA

    09/28/1999 08:56:32
    1. Re: [ERATH] Erath County Ancestors
    2. Charles A. Wyly
    3. Hi, yes I remember some Goodmans. Robert was about my age and I think he went to the Army about the same time. They lived in several school districts and one was 6 miles out of Stephenville east on U. S. 67 between Evergreen church & school and Stephenville. In the 1950- s and 70's if I remember right some of his family were home building contractors. One Goodman married a Fellers and lived between Hico and Iredell. They are long time and stable Erath County residents. Will send more as time allows. I am turning down substitute teaching daily but still teach almost every day on one campus or the other. Take care, Charles Wyly On Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:37:24 -0800 "Hootons" <hootons@garlic.com> writes: >Hello from California, >I have had difficulty finding any info re: grandmother, Merring Etha >Goodman. She was born in Erath County 1896 or so it states on my >mothers' >birth certificate. Am interested in what was going on in the county >which >drew people to it. What the poplulation was at that time, etc. Are >there >other Goodman's in Erath? She married Euel Bowling (Bolling) and >first >child delivered in Mansfield, Tarrant County. But don't know where >they >married. Anything, at this point would be appreciated. >Thanks, >Sandy > > >==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== >--- Author Retains Copyright --- >-- Copyright 1999 Author -- All Rights Reserved >Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com >Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com >

    09/28/1999 08:54:23
    1. Re: [ERATH] Erath County Ancestors
    2. Charles A. Wyly
    3. Things that drew people to Erath County: 1. It is Cross Timbers Country from gravel & Chalk mountains and caves to river bottoms to good black and sandy cotton, corn, and grain land and Post oak, Mesquite, Cedar, Pecan, walnut, Cottonwood. 2. There are patches of sand all over the county, including the large Birdsong peanut mill at Gorman and the surrounding peanut fields west of Stephenville. 3. The Thurber Coal mines on the TP California bound tracks and the Acme (Former TP) Brick plant brought in hundreds of short immigrants to mine the coal. 4. The Desdemona (Hogtown) and Ranger oil boom and Laney gas wells. 5.good fishing. 6.Good hunting-deer, turkey, rabbit, Quail, and before 1890, Bear and alligator in Stephenville City park south and west. 7. Wild fruit, grapes, berries, Polk salad, Walnuts and pecans. Acorns for hogs. 8. Bees and honey. 9. Logs for cabins. 10. Cedar and oak for post. 11, Fair shallow water supply for hand dug wells (Before Dairies) 12. Rock for building. 13. A Crescent shaped buffer of friendly Caddo and other Indian farmers north and west of them who acted as a buffer and warning for Anglo and Black settlers as protection from nomad raiding Comanche and Apache. German Settlers in Fredricksburg- Burnet Area had a wide open frontier without the friendly Indians as neighbors. More "Anglo" and German settlers in Erath County had Eastern Indian roots not obvious or worn as a chip on the shoulder- in fact it was mentioned only to friends. John R. Baylor and his Central Texas Rangers (Sometimes a legal posse- sometime Vigilantes). drove these friendly defenders to Oklahoma- Caddo- Chickasha area via Fort Phantom Hill, Abilene, then went to Arizona and became governor. 14. The Hico Railroad- Texas Central with Walnut Springs roundhouse, shops, college and hospital and adult baseball. before Katy took over and moved HQ to Waco then McKinney.It hauled sheetrock from the Albany area into Waco in the 1960 or 70's. It is now gone except from Dublin to Birdsong Peanut processing Plant at Gorman. 15. Abundant fresh water springs. 16. It was a collection place for Civil War Veterans and people seeking new identities.Early 1900's photos show most older men with foot long white beards which made identification by former enemies hard after 50 years. 17. A wide variety of churches- 2 or 3 kinds of Methodist, & 6 or 8 different types and fellowships of Baptist, depending on point of origin of settlers. 18. As families outgrew the land the Indian threat was vanishing and western counties finally became organized and peacefully settled, providing good dryland for overflow of large families. 19. Erath County once joined Johnson County before Somerville County, Glen Rose, Rainbow, and Nemo were organized or widely known. 20. An early interest in schools and a good College in Stephenville with Academies- Jr. Colleges in Huckaby, Lingleville and possibly another. 21. Tarleton State University- former Junior College. Part of Texas A&M University. It produces more Vocational Agriculture teachers today than any school in the U.S. 22. It has always had outdoor rodeos and in early days, Bear wrestling and wolf- bear fights on the Stephenville square. Today it has more Rodeo cowboy and Equestrian private schools than anycounty in the nation. 23. It had ample rough draws for hiding moonshine stills and Game rooster fights. Roosters were shipped, trained, to the Philipines and other states. Panther Cave - Eulogy area and Whiskey Hollow at West, McLennan County and Somervell County supplied the speakeasy bars in Dallas during national prohibition. Some of these folk did not allow their children to consume the merchandise until they were 21. 24. The live and let live attitude- We never locked our doors before i went to the Army in 1950, My parents and grandparents never locked their doors. We had some turkeys stolen in 1940's . Dad sometimes missed a fist size slab of bacon or ham from our unlocked smokehouse. He said someone was hungry. They never took it all. This came from their Tennesee - Ga. Heritage of frontier survival and is common today in Alaska, where many Texans have migrated to. The tour guide in Dr. J.G.M.Ramsey's home south of Knoxville, Tenn. showed us a candle window by the fireplace where a candle was burning t when the family was home and travellers on the frontier regardless of race could come into the kitchen house, dip some hot soup from the fireplace pot nd sleep on the floor free, but were gone the next day by sunup. Their thefts were nill. Ever hear of the Forty Gallon Baptist Church in West Virginia where some corn farmers pledged 40 gallons of legal homemade whiskey a year to support the church- before the Temperance movement. ? 25. and last but not least- the produce houses with local processing and cheese plant which shipped turkeys and cheese to Fort Worth. Let's see, why was it I moved to Fort Worth & Denton? Oh, yes, Convair and 4 year colleges. Take care Charles Wyly

    09/28/1999 08:32:01
    1. Re: [ERATH] Mineola, TX HUGHES / SMITH
    2. Jane Lemmons
    3. That is Ok we were enjoying our selves very much. In fact one women was talking about her Harvey Granny and my mother was a Harvey...........Does pay off.. Jane -----Original Message----- From: DebbyKay <debbykay@hotmail.com> To: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [ERATH] Mineola, TX HUGHES / SMITH >I just wanted to jump in with everyone else in thanking you for the time and >effort you expend in sharing your many stories. I knew very little of my >father's family's history and through your many stories, even though you >don't reference them direct, you have certainly helped me understand the >happenings of the era. God Bless You and keep sharing. > >Debby (Pettiet) McDanel >----- Original Message ----- >From: Charles A. Wyly <wyly1@juno.com> >To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 7:00 PM >Subject: Re: [ERATH] Mineola, TX HUGHES / SMITH > > >> Hi, >> Great Grandad Robert wyly's one eyed brother Bn F. Wyly had a cotton yard >> in Minewola, He had run a store in Stephenville after he and his uncle >> finally closet the Atlanta. Ga. wholesale grocery in 1890. He also had >> 3000 acres inside the Trinity Levees (Some now developed) which he sold >> for $1. oo per acre to move to Mineola. I have a letter he wrote from >> there , giving Wyly, Cleveland, and Sevier historyhe learned from his >> frandmother Sarah Hawkins Clark Wyly and she had had learned from her >> grandad Gov. John Sevier. >> He lost his eye in the Battle of Knoxville, Civil war and had a ranch >> near the old Crockett, Erath County school. >> >> What was behind the moves to Mineola? Oil boom? I know some from Erath >> County who did the Corsicana oil boom. >> >> Take care, >> Charles Wyly >> >> >> ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== >> --- Author Retains Copyright --- >> -- Copyright 1999 Author -- All Rights Reserved >> Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com >> Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com >> >> > > >==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== >--- Author Retains Copyright --- >-- Copyright 1999 Author -- All Rights Reserved >Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com >Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > >

    09/28/1999 07:58:03
    1. Re: [ERATH] Erath County Ancestors
    2. Wyly1, I too worked at Convair (San Diego 1977-1985). On your posted list, #5 would be good enough for me !! Rick Monroe Long Beach, CA

    09/28/1999 04:50:46
    1. [ERATH] Re: Remove me from your list
    2. Waymon Dees
    3. I wish to be removed from your list

    09/28/1999 02:22:06
    1. Re: [ERATH] Mineola, TX HUGHES / SMITH
    2. DebbyKay
    3. I just wanted to jump in with everyone else in thanking you for the time and effort you expend in sharing your many stories. I knew very little of my father's family's history and through your many stories, even though you don't reference them direct, you have certainly helped me understand the happenings of the era. God Bless You and keep sharing. Debby (Pettiet) McDanel ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles A. Wyly <wyly1@juno.com> To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [ERATH] Mineola, TX HUGHES / SMITH > Hi, > Great Grandad Robert wyly's one eyed brother Bn F. Wyly had a cotton yard > in Minewola, He had run a store in Stephenville after he and his uncle > finally closet the Atlanta. Ga. wholesale grocery in 1890. He also had > 3000 acres inside the Trinity Levees (Some now developed) which he sold > for $1. oo per acre to move to Mineola. I have a letter he wrote from > there , giving Wyly, Cleveland, and Sevier historyhe learned from his > frandmother Sarah Hawkins Clark Wyly and she had had learned from her > grandad Gov. John Sevier. > He lost his eye in the Battle of Knoxville, Civil war and had a ranch > near the old Crockett, Erath County school. > > What was behind the moves to Mineola? Oil boom? I know some from Erath > County who did the Corsicana oil boom. > > Take care, > Charles Wyly > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 1999 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > >

    09/28/1999 09:28:57
    1. Re: [ERATH] Mineola, TX HUGHES / SMITH
    2. Mineola, Texas is in Wood County. In a message dated 9/26/99 10:01:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, KLPaints@aol.com writes: << Can someone please tell me what county Mineola, TX is in. I have HUGHES and SMITH from that area. Thank you, Karen in CA >>

    09/28/1999 05:51:00
    1. [ERATH] Coopers...
    2. jane weldon
    3. Have enjoyed reading history of this county for quite some time, and a thank you to Charles Wyly for the willingness to share. I have a few ancestors from Erath Co. My mother was born to Charlie Willis Cooper and Rebecca Ann Sedberry, and Charlie was born in Erath Co, 01 Nov. 1905 to Andrew Jackson Cooper and Cora Lee Barnes. Andrew was a Dr., and had a practice in Abilene on Sycamore St. during WWI. Cora died in 1925, and Andrew remarried and moved to Midland, continuing to practice until his death on 24 Dec. 1947 at the age of 72. Charlie Willis' older sister, Mary Alice Cooper, was born at Hico on 16 Nov. 1904. She married Horace Holley in Abilene, and they moved to Midland, building many homes in the 40's and 50's. I'm not sure if the youngest sibling of Andrew and Cora, Robert J. Cooper, was born in Erath Co. Dr. A.J. Cooper was supposedly named after his father, but neither his gravestone nor his birth certificate list him as a Jr. Rebecca Sedberry, my grandmother, always referred to the elder Andrew as Major Cooper, alluding to his rank in the Civil War, but I have been unable to find the elder Andrew Jackson Cooper. Is anyone familiar with this family? My uncle, Charles Jackson Cooper, was on a ship that was kamikazed in WWII, lives down by Lake Livingston, is 72 now, and would love to find some roots on who he was named for. Thanks, John Dee Weldon jweldons@texasonline.net

    09/27/1999 08:59:30
    1. [ERATH] Lowery/Wilson/Bounds/Peck/Brown/Kilgore
    2. Betty Stinecipher
    3. Hi List, Are there anyone out there that's working on the following families from Erath Co.? LOWERY----WILSON----BOUNDS-----PECK---BROWN---& KILGORE families. For detailed information contact me at stinecipher@ofgeorgia.com or on the list. Thanks! Betty Stinecipher

    09/27/1999 08:26:00
    1. Re: [ERATH] McDowell's Hole
    2. FRED E EWERS III
    3. Interesting about the Ewers, Syers and the Model T. You do go way back with them, huh? If I ever finish MY family history, I will have to look more into Fred's. A lot of it is done already by Marilyn. Need to get a copy of her Johnsville history she wrote. Thanks for the stories. Kim Ewers ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles A. Wyly <wyly1@juno.com> To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [ERATH] McDowell's Hole > Hi, > I remember as a boy that dad, John Syers, and Mack Ewer's dad had the > best Model T pickups in the county after many had worn out a Model A and > a Model B Ford and had graduated to 60 hp V8's Dad skipped the Model A > and B stages. "CAP" STEWART > RAN A SHOP ON South Graham Street (Hico and Glen Rose Hiway) at the old > low bridge in the Bosque flood plain. CAP was our model T Ford mechanic , > he and a Mr. Lockhart. > Back then, if the river was over the road and you were in a V-8 you just > turned around and went back home. High clearance vehicles like Model Ts > and old Chevys could go through gates and mud roads and get to > Stephenville on the Fort Worth Highway, but might not get home if it > flooded too. > > In 1954 or 5 they were launching boats one block east of the court house > to rescue people from houses that had never flooded before. (West of Jake > & Dorothy's Cafe) when the water broke the 75 year old record marked on > a tree. It was 20 feet bove the newer bridge still in use. I lost a > pontiac and a Buick and all my books and notes a week before finals at > Tarleton and almost lost me. You could not swim that water because of the > downstream barbed wire which would catch you. My garage apartment tilted > into a pecan tree and Tarleton students pulled me out with rubber hose. > The Fire Dept. would not come- they thought the water would go down. > Several cows, alive and dead, went downstream including some of Dr. Vance > Terrell's Brown Swiss Cattle, found half way to Hico. 3 of us were > hospitalized that night. Two were on top of a Milk truchk hanging on to > the nailed down tarp, sitting on the cab for a few hours. They said they > were in knee deep water when the truck died and they saw a wall of water > almost straight up , looked over 6 feet high coming at them, on the > Huckaby Highway. They were loaded with full milk cans so the truck did > not move. > > God was merciful. > > I was dating Jeannie Riley of Clyde, Texas and she brought her parents to > see me in the hospital. Her roommate's fiance (Her roommoate was Sandra > Hull of Irian, Texas) was one who helped rescue me. , but my identity was > unknown to him at the moment. Right away her parents suspected she had > not been studying and working in the library all the time. We were > married that summer and moved to NTSU Denton . We now have 2 children and > 4 grandchildren. > > Cap Stewart's son has a building on the east loop now which was a parts > store and attached garage. Seems like Uncle Emmett Carey deliverred Cap > Stewart Neper's Desdemona (Hogtown) gas for a 2 pump overhead glass bowl > pump station. > > Ira Stewart married mon's first cousin, Cloye(?) Stone. He had an Erath > County ranch and was a school Superintendent at Penelope, Hill County , > Texas. for several years after I started teaching. She and mom were > across the hall from each other in Stephenville Nursing Home, 1980's. > > > Take care > Charles Wyly > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 1999 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com >

    09/27/1999 08:02:51
    1. Re: [ERATH] McDowell's Hole
    2. Charles A. Wyly
    3. Hi, I remember as a boy that dad, John Syers, and Mack Ewer's dad had the best Model T pickups in the county after many had worn out a Model A and a Model B Ford and had graduated to 60 hp V8's Dad skipped the Model A and B stages. "CAP" STEWART RAN A SHOP ON South Graham Street (Hico and Glen Rose Hiway) at the old low bridge in the Bosque flood plain. CAP was our model T Ford mechanic , he and a Mr. Lockhart. Back then, if the river was over the road and you were in a V-8 you just turned around and went back home. High clearance vehicles like Model Ts and old Chevys could go through gates and mud roads and get to Stephenville on the Fort Worth Highway, but might not get home if it flooded too. In 1954 or 5 they were launching boats one block east of the court house to rescue people from houses that had never flooded before. (West of Jake & Dorothy's Cafe) when the water broke the 75 year old record marked on a tree. It was 20 feet bove the newer bridge still in use. I lost a pontiac and a Buick and all my books and notes a week before finals at Tarleton and almost lost me. You could not swim that water because of the downstream barbed wire which would catch you. My garage apartment tilted into a pecan tree and Tarleton students pulled me out with rubber hose. The Fire Dept. would not come- they thought the water would go down. Several cows, alive and dead, went downstream including some of Dr. Vance Terrell's Brown Swiss Cattle, found half way to Hico. 3 of us were hospitalized that night. Two were on top of a Milk truchk hanging on to the nailed down tarp, sitting on the cab for a few hours. They said they were in knee deep water when the truck died and they saw a wall of water almost straight up , looked over 6 feet high coming at them, on the Huckaby Highway. They were loaded with full milk cans so the truck did not move. God was merciful. I was dating Jeannie Riley of Clyde, Texas and she brought her parents to see me in the hospital. Her roommate's fiance (Her roommoate was Sandra Hull of Irian, Texas) was one who helped rescue me. , but my identity was unknown to him at the moment. Right away her parents suspected she had not been studying and working in the library all the time. We were married that summer and moved to NTSU Denton . We now have 2 children and 4 grandchildren. Cap Stewart's son has a building on the east loop now which was a parts store and attached garage. Seems like Uncle Emmett Carey deliverred Cap Stewart Neper's Desdemona (Hogtown) gas for a 2 pump overhead glass bowl pump station. Ira Stewart married mon's first cousin, Cloye(?) Stone. He had an Erath County ranch and was a school Superintendent at Penelope, Hill County , Texas. for several years after I started teaching. She and mom were across the hall from each other in Stephenville Nursing Home, 1980's. Take care Charles Wyly

    09/27/1999 07:00:05
    1. Re: [ERATH] Purves Live Oak Cemetery
    2. DebbyKay
    3. His grant was from the Republic of Texas ... at least the copy I have. I understand that he also had a Spanish Land Grant. His was granted with a 1st Class citizen Headright. He claimed land in Red River, Rusk, and Cooke county. I appreciate your information. Debby McDanel ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles A. Wyly <wyly1@juno.com> To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 1999 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [ERATH] Purves Live Oak Cemetery > Hi, > was his grant from Spain, Mexico, Republic of Texas or State of Texas. > ?? > Mr Steven of Panther Cave, Chalk Mountain, had bought all land due north > from Erath County to the Red River, but could not prove title . He called > it Milam County land. > > There was a tendency for the Republic of Texas and the state to ignore > Spanish Land grants unless the one claiming the land had fought against > Santa Anna with the Texans. Also true in New Mexico. The Lincoln County > Wars were fought between 2 Anglo ranching interests, both having no more > respect for Spanish claims than they did for the Eastern Indians. Billy > the Kid was a hero to these origional Spanish. > > A league is appx. 3 miles.A Labor' (Laboor) is 688 acres compared to a > section of 640 acres. Much of the High Plains is surveyed in Leagues and > Labors. A vara compared to a rod. It was the distance around the Spanish > Governor or empresario's front buggy wheel. By tying a white rag to a > spoke the driver could count the turns and measure the land. Anyone else > have another explanation? > > Take care, > Charles Wyly > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 1999 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > >

    09/27/1999 06:36:37
    1. Re: [ERATH] Mineola, TX HUGHES / SMITH
    2. Charles A. Wyly
    3. Hi, Great Grandad Robert wyly's one eyed brother Bn F. Wyly had a cotton yard in Minewola, He had run a store in Stephenville after he and his uncle finally closet the Atlanta. Ga. wholesale grocery in 1890. He also had 3000 acres inside the Trinity Levees (Some now developed) which he sold for $1. oo per acre to move to Mineola. I have a letter he wrote from there , giving Wyly, Cleveland, and Sevier historyhe learned from his frandmother Sarah Hawkins Clark Wyly and she had had learned from her grandad Gov. John Sevier. He lost his eye in the Battle of Knoxville, Civil war and had a ranch near the old Crockett, Erath County school. What was behind the moves to Mineola? Oil boom? I know some from Erath County who did the Corsicana oil boom. Take care, Charles Wyly

    09/27/1999 06:00:01
    1. [ERATH] Erath County Ancestors
    2. Hootons
    3. Hello from California, I have had difficulty finding any info re: grandmother, Merring Etha Goodman. She was born in Erath County 1896 or so it states on my mothers' birth certificate. Am interested in what was going on in the county which drew people to it. What the poplulation was at that time, etc. Are there other Goodman's in Erath? She married Euel Bowling (Bolling) and first child delivered in Mansfield, Tarrant County. But don't know where they married. Anything, at this point would be appreciated. Thanks, Sandy

    09/27/1999 03:37:24
    1. Re: [ERATH] McDowell's Hole
    2. Carol Olavarri
    3. Hi, I have been enjoying your posts and this one really woke me up. I see you mention the name Fitzgerald. I am from the family of Brice Anthony Hogan Fitzgerald born 1854 in ? and married Laura Viola Stewart, born about 1876, dtr. of A.W (have no idea what the initials stand for) and Carrie Truitt.Brice and Laura married in 1896 in Erath County. Do you perhaps know of this family? They had many children including Carrie, Esley Doyle, Wesley Arthur,Cletus and Ercy. Sure would appreciate any info you have on either Fitzgeralds or Stewarts. Many thanks, Carol "Charles A. Wyly" wrote: > > Hi, Fred, > > Hope your grandad and Marilyn enjoyed the Country Opry this week. > > I remember many rumors & stories of the McDowell or McDow hole. It was on > Green's Creek below Dublin. One Fitzzgerald writer who grew up on the > Fitzgerald Nursery & Old Dublin road wrote about it in the Stephenville > Empire- Tribune. So have others, . > > It seems a mother and baby disapeared from their home while the father > was gone. They were not found for many years. Stories said you could go > to the McDowell hole on a moonlit night and at a given time she would > wail and a ghostly shadow would float from the high bank to the low one > across the water hole, looking and crying for her child. When we were in > High school on a still morning you could hear the Steam train whistle at > Dublin at Grandad's Selden home - from Dublin, 25 miles away. We > sometimes heard it at Johnsville. > > The whistle does not explain how two men before 1900 went to see and > hear. They did. One died of fright - a heart attack with his eyes open > and mouth open in fright. His partner ran several miles when he saw > whatever. > > Several had examined the site and there were no trolley wires or cables > to be found like we used to hang across creeks for diving or the thrill > of the ride. In fairly recent years, someone was fishing in the Hole and > noticed a bone protuding from erosion of the high bank. There had been a > hand dug well above a spring to supply the cabin. /this was common, or > clean and enclose a spring, as surface water was sometimes poluted by > wild and /or domestic animals, even back then. He went for help. The > recent erosion and cave in of the bank had opened the side of the well. > There were a flat rock or two in the well. Under the rock was the > skeleton of a woman and a baby. They were buried somewhere in Erath > County and the sounds and aparitions have not been seen or heard since. > > I never went there at night. WE had our own excitement. I never saw this > done but was told exactly how it was done. Someone older than I would > make a dumbull which was illegal, or tie a tight wire or rawhide string > to the corner of a house to make wierd noises at night. A Dumbull was a > bucket or can with a hole in the lid or a rawhide cover was sometimes > used to chivaree newlyweds. . some sticks or fiddle bows pulled across > the tight wire or hole in the bucket made all sorts of noise. With > practice one could imitate a Panther. Someone got peeved or carried a > joke too far by scareing the Johnsville Postmaster, then making Panther > tracks on the Duffau Creek. He had pepole talking about the noise they > and he had heard, and saw the tracks and was making plans to move before > someone told him it was a joke.He thought it was after him. > > Take care, > Charles Wyly > > Oh, by the way a Black Panther was killed in Clifton in the last 20 years > and Alligator are in the Bosque at Baylor Camp, towards Valley Mills. I > know the argument that Black Panthers are not texas Natives. Neither were > Irishmen- they are here anyway. Since I was in High School one started > near the Hatchett Cemetery in early spring and stockmen and hunters and > Rooster farmers reported his movement slowly downstream 2 to 5 miles a > week and they lost him at Clifton each year. He screamed one night at a > neighbor's house and the gentle milk cows laid the 8 foot log fence flat. > They did not stop to question his ancestry. Everyone in the house woke up > instantly scared. > Game wardens have warned in the past they have seen very large cat paws > around Lake Grapevine. Some of those folk in Southlake area have private > 2 engine planes and are known to have had large cats in captivity and in > their homes. Some think they turn them out to run at night, like a dog, > and they come home before sunup. A Mother Pnther was sighted in Bear > Creek- Keller- North Richland Hills, north of Fort Worth > for the first 2 weeks of school. She and a cub were finally captured. > > Wonder why one of the older schools in Fort Worth was called the Panther > City High School?? > > Take care and sleep tight and don't let the Bedbugs Bite, > Charles Wyly > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 1999 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com

    09/27/1999 08:46:58
    1. Re: [ERATH] Purves Live Oak Cemetery
    2. Jane Lemmons
    3. Hi Phyllis.........txjean is Jean Shroyer and she is my niece and the Harvey's were in Erath county. George B. and Emile Mahon Harvey. He gave the first school building in Clairette and the Salmon there are ours also. Don't know if she is on here tonight. they had been to the ranch and went back to Austin. Jane Lemmons nee Glenn txjane@ktc.com -----Original Message----- From: Phyllis Garner <sasilady@erols.com> To: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, September 26, 1999 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [ERATH] Purves Live Oak Cemetery >Ok what do you mean watch this county? Phyl > > > >At 03:06 PM 09/26/1999 EDT, you wrote: >>Hi Phyllis...saw you on here...watch this county too as you know...your >>cousin..TXJEAN >> >> >>==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== >>--- Author Retains Copyright --- >>-- Copyright 1999 Author -- All Rights Reserved >>Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com >>Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com >> >> >Phyllis Garner >Virginia Beach, VA >ICQ #6544793 >sasilady@erols.com ^i^ I Believe In Angels >CCLov-A-ghan Co.-Aquisitions/Collections Co. >http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/CrochetCrafts > > >==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== >--- Author Retains Copyright --- >-- Copyright 1999 Author -- All Rights Reserved >Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com >Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > >

    09/27/1999 05:04:02
    1. Re: [ERATH] Mineola, TX HUGHES / SMITH
    2. Jerrell & Susan Blackmon
    3. Wood Co., county seat is Quitman, who are you looking for? My husband is from there and I do look ups from a couple of sources. Susan http://www.geocities.com/sjblackmon/ ----- Original Message ----- From: <KLPaints@aol.com> To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 4:59 AM Subject: [ERATH] Mineola, TX HUGHES / SMITH Can someone please tell me what county Mineola, TX is in. I have HUGHES and SMITH from that area. Thank you, Karen in CA ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== --- Author Retains Copyright --- -- Copyright 1999 Author -- All Rights Reserved Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com

    09/27/1999 01:35:29