Didn't realize there were so many Peggys on the Erath site and sorry for any confusion. I will sign off with location also each time. I have deep roots in Erath County also with family still living there. I am researching the following surnames in Erath; BARNETT, CHRISTOPHER, KILCREASE, LANGFORD, LOWRIMORE etc, STONE. I am kin to all Kilcrease names in Erath and the majority of the Stone names. I also have learned a lot from the site and truly appreciate hearing all the stories and information pertaining to it's history. Any information on the above surnames is deeply appreciated and I am more than glad to share what I have with others. I am researching John Allison of TN who took his family around 1830 to Arkansas and was on the wagon train that came to Texas with the Parker Family. John Allison's son William F named Cynthia Ann Parker in his will. Our Allison research group does not know the reason for this at this time. John Allison's sons William F, Elihu C and James A are named as early settlers of the state of Texas and all receiving land grants in East Texas when Texas was a Republic. Elihu and James A went on to Williamson County and settled until their death. My mother was a Christopher living in Erath and Hamilton counties but descended from that Allison family. Thanks Peggy of Bridge City

Dear Peggy, Although I do not know much about the Primitive Baptists... last fall at this time when we visited the Smokey Mountains of Tennessee, we visited the Cades Cove Primitive Baptist Church and walked through the graveyard there... I believe it has been in existence, since the early 1800's... there might be some more information on the East Tennesse List or in the archives of some of the Tennessee counties of that region... let me know also!! Karla On Sat, 16 Oct 1999 06:55:18 PDT "peggy thompson" <peggythompson@hotmail.com> writes: >Hello, >I just recieved my gtgrandfathers Abija Keith old trunk and I found >that my >gtgtgrandmother is buried in Bowman Ridge Cemetery.Is this cemetery >still >around and if so how can I can I get information from >it. My grandmother Elizabeth Keith died Feb.2,1895. After the death >of husband Nichodemus Keith in 1853 I believe she married a John >Leonard Uzzell so I dont know which name she is buried under. >Also does any one know when the Primitive Baptist Church was started? >Thank You, > >Peggy Thompson > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > >==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== >--- Author Retains Copyright --- >-- Copyright 1999 Author -- All Rights Reserved >Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com >Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

I didn't know there were that Many Peggy's in the state,,, However I learn more history on this list than I could ever learn any where else Peggy in Purves ----- Original Message ----- From: <Texasdog@aol.com> To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 1999 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [ERATH] BOWMAN RIDGE CEMETERY > In a message dated 10/16/99 8:56:30 AM Central Daylight Time, > peggythompson@hotmail.com writes: > > << I just recieved my gtgrandfathers Abija Keith old trunk and I found that > my > gtgtgrandmother is buried in Bowman Ridge Cemetery.Is this cemetery still > around and if so how can I can I get information from > it. My grandmother Elizabeth Keith died Feb.2,1895. After the death > of husband Nichodemus Keith in 1853 I believe she married a John > Leonard Uzzell so I dont know which name she is buried under. > Also does any one know when the Primitive Baptist Church was started? > Thank You, >> > > Peggy Thompson, > Seems likes we are overrun with Peggys.....I got a private E-mail > late last night from Peggy Harrington of Bridge City (near Port Arthur) > and also acknowledge the posts of Peggy Broughton of Purves. > > Are you familiar with a book entitled "Descendants of Nichodemus > Keith and Margaret Borden", publ. 1987, by Roy T. Mitchell of Eagle > Lake, Texas. Hardbound. It is the most thorough treatment of this > line that I have seen. I have been to Bowman Ridge but it has been > several years. If I am thinking of the right cemetery, it is well maintained > and is still active but I am sure others can give better information on that > particular cemetery. > > Growing up in a family of several generations of Primitive Baptists including > a brother and four first cousins who were ordained ministers, > I will give you my perspective. The Primitive Baptists Churches in America > are generally those whoses articles of faith are those of the > "Philadelphia Confession of Faith of 1776" and several years earlier there > was a London Confession of Faith in Great Britain. A book published in > 1885 by Halsell, who was the president of Duke University and whose > education was in linguistics completed a book that his father started. > The father was Sylvester Halsell and I don't recall the given name of the > son. The son could read or speak as many as fifteen different languages > therefore much of the church history is based on early day writings. > Remember that before Gutenberg invented typeset in the 1400s that documents > were in handwritten manuscript and much of the writings were > in Latin, German, Hebrew, Greek or other languages. In short, Halsell > will submit Church history century by century to the first century > Christians. Your early day Baptists were known by names that were given > them by others and for this reason, they were known by numerous other > names throughout the middle ages depending on what country the people > were in. Baptists were persecuted by the Roman Catholics throughout > the centuries.....beheadings, burned at the stake, and structured > genocide of these peoples by the organized church of Rome or Constantinople > or the Islamic church. Martin Luther, with his 95 Theses > in 1517, was one who with other groups were responsible for the Protestant > Reformation of the 16th century whereby organized churches > that are now Lutheran, Presbyterian, Church of England --- (Episcopal Church > as it is known in the USA)-- all broke from the Church of Rome. > > To understand how the Primitive Baptists think, the term "protestant" > when applied to them is considered an insult as they were never of the > organized Roman Church. Their practices and principles were different > and they were not a party to the reformation. These newly organized > Protestant Churches still continued to persecute the Baptists or Rebaptizers > or whatever they were called. Many were driven into Wales > which became a haven somewhat for the people. My late brother who > passed away in 1990 was a mild mannered pastor of two churches at the > time of his death.....San Angelo and Eldorado. But if one called him a > Protestant, he could flair up real quick. But if you are more interested > in learning about the PB, locate the book by Halsell. It is probably 1,200 > to 1,400 pages in length so it is not an overnight read. > > The first church in the Erath County area was in July 1859 in the Duffau > area and was known as the Bosque Church. Elders Henry Hurley and C.D. > Skidmore and deacon James McCarty were the principals and members > included surnames Turnbow, Gotcher, Havens, Boucher, Martin, Gilbreath, > Mefford, Roberts, Cain, Gotcher, Burnett, Hollis, and Manney. Other > churches followed over the course of years. The first church of Texas > was that of the Pilgrim Church founded by Elder Daniel Parker, he of the > Parker family of Cynthia Ann Parker--captured and raised by the Comanche, and > was near Palestine. Mexico would not allow any churches > to be formed within the province of Texas as the Catholic church was the > established church. Parker and others travelled from Illinois by wagon > train and "established a church" in route to Texas thus technically not > establishing a church "within" Texas. > > Hopefully this gives you some insight and background on the Primitive > Baptists. > > > Bill McCarty Odessa, Texas > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 1999 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com >

Hi, The historic marker AT FORT PARKERcalled them the "TWO SEED IN THE SPIRIT PRIMITIVE BAPTIST CHURCH" tHE fort is completely restored, complete with gun ports and mud and stick chimneys which sometimes caught fire if not checked often. Area Boy scouts are camping out there soon. Quannah Parker had great respect for his mother and her religion and Col. Charles Goodnight, who let him feed his people from his beef herd after the buffalo were killed. Moral Quandry- When Quannah Parker led his people to Oklahoima, he told his people to learn from the churches and schools of his mother's people and join whatever church they chose. He , for one, refused to join but attended and llowed his children to join. Missionaries told him he could have only have one wife. Since he had 2 or 3 wives , he said he was honor bound to care for all of them. One of his daughters married a Cox , an Indian agent, who had a brother at Johnsville, Texas, according to recent reports. %Take care Charles Wyly

Hi, Peggy, Check Texas Dog (McCarty) as his family were involved with the Primitive Baptist Church in Erath County as were Rev. Hurley, one of my neighbors- or his descendants were. My great Great Grandad Dr. (M.D.) and Rev. and pharmacist and land speculator and 1 or 2 brothers were Texas (Ranger?)short term volunteers in Taylor's Army in Mexico, They went home when their term was up. Gen. Taylor called it desertion- the Texas Rangers did not, but onlyold Ben McCullom and the Waco company stayed with Gen. Taylor and saved his army from certain ambush and anhilation by Indians and Mexican troops by outthinking the Mexicans with their own tactics, which Taylor never completely masterred. Dr. Hatchett's brother stayed in Matahuela Mexico and had an evangelical church in his home and practiced medicine with a permit letter from Benito Juarez. He also mined gold as a hobby and his son Santiago was the Engineer who built the railroad across San Luis Potosi. Santiago's granddaughter retired in 1989 as head of the Mexican National Assembly Secretaries Civil Service division. Before 1850 Dr. Hatchett was organizing churches-beginning in Gonzales and organized at least 17 "Churches of Christ to be called the Valley Mills or Pony Creek or whatever Baptist Church" His sons, Gus, Hamp, and Pink (Pinckney) also organized churchesfrom Erath County to the High Plains. At Pony Creek, as found in Howard Payne College and Robinson Family Records, "Choctaw" Bill Robinson worked as a team . The Church records, kept by Caudie Beach Duke for most of her life, says they 1. Organized the Church and ordained or recognized ordained Deacons present. 2. Had 2 back to back sermons- even in my day Rev. Howard Keith would preach over 1 hour and we had to leave early to meet my wife's dorm curfew at Tarleton. 3. Gave Right hand of Christian Fellowship to converts 4. Adjourned to the baptizing hole on Pony Creek below the present cemetery. 5. Returned to the church and gave right hand of church membership and fellowship to the baptized Christians. 6. Observed the ordinance of the Lord's Supper. 7. Elected delegates to the Paluxy Baptist Association 8. Had a spontaneous washing of the feet not taught as doctorine. Dr. B.D, Tidwell of Iredell and Howard Payne and Southwestern Seminary read the Centenial History and said he and his wife both belonged to different Iredell churches started by Dr. Hatchett. She was and remained Primitive Baptist but attended with him when he preached in Southern Churches. The North- South split was not over slavery- many Georgia churches of 1830's were integrated in the Clarkesville area- slaves had their names on the roll as full members . The split was over most National Missions being spent around the Great Lakes area and almost none on the expanding west and southwest. Ministers there were on their own and often carried guns in a holster or had a rifle by the door. These delegates met in Grandbury with the Paluxy Association . A report came in that Indians were raiding on Pony and Richardson Creeks and the Paluxy. All delegates stayed and completed the associational business the next day and returned home to find home and property undisturbed, but others had been raided and some burned. The Duffau Association of Primitive Baptists have a camp in Glen Rose which is sometimes rented to other local groups such as the United Pentecostal of Bosque County. These were at the Presbyterian Predestination or Calvinist persuasion. One pastor at Rocky Point professed the Free Will Baptist ideas of that association., which caused a ripple at the Erath County Southern Baptist Association- not questioning his freedom but the ideas of some Predestination leaners made fellowship shaky at one time. Southern, Missionary, and MBA or NABA churches , such as Rev. Ernest Ripetoe of Washington Street in Stephenville and the old Pontotoc community out of Dublin often sponsored summer "Singing Schools" around the County. His son Royce Rippetoe sang on WBAP live with the Stamps Quartet for years. Primitive Baptist Ministers, following the confession or creed of 1776taught 3 ordinances- - footwashing was equal to baptism and the Lord's Supper to some, including Rev. Hurley and Rev. McCarty and in my day, Gail Stephens- only most back then preferred the title of Brother to Rev. There were various types of Primitive. Baprists- some without instrumental music and some almost Quaker. The Dunsons attended one of these on U.S. 67 across from Roy Garrett's service station. (Parham's Wrecking yard now) Dr, Hatchet and brothers were ordained as Missionary (No Southern existed before 1860-s ) Baptist by his father in law Rev. B.T. Stephen in Pine Mountain Ga. (Chipley then) on his headstone in Selden cemetery, but his daughter's headstone says Angelina Isabella Stevens Hatchett. I think according to most records the name was Stevens. Some of his churches split over the Primitive and Southern Baptist, such as Iredell, Hico, and apparently Valley Mills. But that is more than you asked. Mr. McCarty may want to fill in some blanks or unintended protrayals- ALL Baptists have always believed in the Priesthood of each individual believer, just as most Presbyterian, Amish, Mennonites, Quakers, German Moravian or Unity of The Brethern, (Hussites ), Campus Crusade, and others of the historic Anabaptist movements. The West and Cameron Brethern churches had Czech language preaching once or twice a month by Rev. Frank Beseda.when I taught there 20 plus years ago. He preached many funerals of Czechslovakian immigrants in North McLennan Counties. Differences are partly on interpetations and national origin and and musical instruments, not on the basics of scripture itself. Also of practice of missionariesand financing them. Sorry I rambled, Charles Wyly

I have a John Purves, brother of my great grandfather William Purves. John was born in the early 1800's (est. 1809-1839). His father was John Purves of South Carolina. -----Original Message----- From: Ron Waters <jeanron@home.com> To: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, October 16, 1999 8:02 PM Subject: [ERATH] DANIEL TURNEY FAMILY >I have been searching for records on DANIEL TURNEY that might lead to >>determining the names of his parents. Thus far this search has been >>fruitless. Information about DANIEL TURNEY that I know to be true follows: >> >>1. DANIEL appears on the 1850 Census for Rusk, Cherokee County, TX. as a 21 >> year old living with the Arthur Keigan/Rogan/Reagen? family and that he >>was born >> in IL. >>2. DANIEL appears on the 1860 Census for Rusk, Cherokee County, TX. as a 31 >> year old living with his own family and that he was born in TN. >>3. A copy of DANIEL'S marriage license shows he married ELIZABETH CATHERINE >> SMITH March 20, 1851, in Cherokee County, TX. >>4. DANIEL's and ELIZABETH'S children are: (1) Nancy Amanda Turney (married >a >> John Bruce Purves)--bn. in Cherokee County 4/22/1853, (2) Henry Petty >>Turney-- >> bn. in Cherokee County 9/16/1855, (3) John Reuben Turney--bn. in >Cherokee >> >> County 6/4/1857, (4) James Russell Turney--bn. in Cherokee County >1/6/1859 >> and (5) William Jefferson Turney--bn. in Cherokee County 12/21/1860. >>5. Elizabeth Catherine and her children moved to ERATH COUNTY in the early >1800s. >>6. Daniel and Elizabeth Catherine are my great grandparents. William >>Jefferson is >> my grandfather. >> >>Family tradition says That DANIEL died May 6, 1864, while in the service of >>the CSA and that he is buried in an unmarked grave at the Oakwood Cemetery >in >>Tyler. Family tradition also says he worked for the Confederate Ordnance >>Works in Tyler prior to his death. >>I have read that a private gun factory, begun by J. C. Short, William S. N. >>Biscoe, and George Yarbrough to make rifles for the state of Texas was >>purchased by the Confederate Government in 1863. The gun factory expanded >>into the Confederate States Ordnance Works at Tyler, and employed around >200 >>men and boys, and that >>in May 1865 the destruction of the Ordnance Works occurred because of an >>explosion. At this point I don't know whether DANIEL died as a result of >>battle, natural causes or an industrial accident at he Ordnance Works. >>Any information or advice regarding how to obtain records/information for >DANIEL, the Turney family >>or records of employees who worked at the Confederate States Ordnance Works >would be >>appreciated. >If Charles Wyly reads this I would appreciate any response he might have >regarding the Turney family of Erath County. >> >>Ron Waters >>OKC,OK. >> > > > > > >==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== >--- Author Retains Copyright --- >-- Copyright 1999 Author -- All Rights Reserved >Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com >Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com > >

In a message dated 10/16/99 8:56:30 AM Central Daylight Time, peggythompson@hotmail.com writes: << I just recieved my gtgrandfathers Abija Keith old trunk and I found that my gtgtgrandmother is buried in Bowman Ridge Cemetery.Is this cemetery still around and if so how can I can I get information from it. My grandmother Elizabeth Keith died Feb.2,1895. After the death of husband Nichodemus Keith in 1853 I believe she married a John Leonard Uzzell so I dont know which name she is buried under. >> Peggy Thompson. I checked the Nichodemus Keith book, publ. 1987, by Roy Mitchell and there he gives two mrriages for the widow Elizabeth Keith, 1st to a Mr. Uzzell (no given name provided) and then a marriage date in 1881 to a Brumbelow. I also viewed Hudson & Cawyer for any possible listing of any Elizabeth that would have been about the right age and there were none. There are graves marked with field stones. This is a small cemetery....there is one listing of a Steve Keith but no dates. There are several Keiths buried at Alexander Cemetery and I assume the Steve Keith at Bowman Ridge is the father of Laura Keith that married James Marion Head. Keiths & McCarty are connected in several ways; William Albert Keith who married Alice Weatherly...this couple buried at Alexander. Alice Weatherly's mother was Cynthia Jane McCarty Weatherly----buried at Clairette. William Albert Keith was son Charles Jackson Keith; and was grandson of William Stephen "Little Bill" Keith. The BRUMBELOW and KEITH families intermarried on more than one occasion. Bill McCarty Odessa, Texas http://members.tripod.com/cindyradway/Erath/erath.html

I have been searching for records on DANIEL TURNEY that might lead to >determining the names of his parents. Thus far this search has been >fruitless. Information about DANIEL TURNEY that I know to be true follows: > >1. DANIEL appears on the 1850 Census for Rusk, Cherokee County, TX. as a 21 > year old living with the Arthur Keigan/Rogan/Reagen? family and that he >was born > in IL. >2. DANIEL appears on the 1860 Census for Rusk, Cherokee County, TX. as a 31 > year old living with his own family and that he was born in TN. >3. A copy of DANIEL'S marriage license shows he married ELIZABETH CATHERINE > SMITH March 20, 1851, in Cherokee County, TX. >4. DANIEL's and ELIZABETH'S children are: (1) Nancy Amanda Turney (married a > John Bruce Purves)--bn. in Cherokee County 4/22/1853, (2) Henry Petty >Turney-- > bn. in Cherokee County 9/16/1855, (3) John Reuben Turney--bn. in Cherokee > > County 6/4/1857, (4) James Russell Turney--bn. in Cherokee County 1/6/1859 > and (5) William Jefferson Turney--bn. in Cherokee County 12/21/1860. >5. Elizabeth Catherine and her children moved to ERATH COUNTY in the early 1800s. >6. Daniel and Elizabeth Catherine are my great grandparents. William >Jefferson is > my grandfather. > >Family tradition says That DANIEL died May 6, 1864, while in the service of >the CSA and that he is buried in an unmarked grave at the Oakwood Cemetery in >Tyler. Family tradition also says he worked for the Confederate Ordnance >Works in Tyler prior to his death. >I have read that a private gun factory, begun by J. C. Short, William S. N. >Biscoe, and George Yarbrough to make rifles for the state of Texas was >purchased by the Confederate Government in 1863. The gun factory expanded >into the Confederate States Ordnance Works at Tyler, and employed around 200 >men and boys, and that >in May 1865 the destruction of the Ordnance Works occurred because of an >explosion. At this point I don't know whether DANIEL died as a result of >battle, natural causes or an industrial accident at he Ordnance Works. >Any information or advice regarding how to obtain records/information for DANIEL, the Turney family >or records of employees who worked at the Confederate States Ordnance Works would be >appreciated. If Charles Wyly reads this I would appreciate any response he might have regarding the Turney family of Erath County. > >Ron Waters >OKC,OK. >

Not wanting to get too far in to religious doctrine but to clarify some points made by Charles..... The Philadelphia Confession of Faith (1776) of the Primitive Baptists is virtually the same as that of the Presbyterian Churches (from the churches of Scotland) except that the PB practice baptizing (immersion) whereas Presbyterian perform effusion (sprinkling) which was that from the Roman Catholic. Primitive Baptists sometimes known in the past as Regular Baptists do not have Sunday Schools; with a few exceptions they don't have church musical instruments; they don't have offering plates; they don't have church missions. The Missionary Baptists and most Baptist Churches today sponsor church missions; this doctrinaire split occurred in the early 1800s. The churches at Pony Creek were not PB churches----there are instances of churches "switching" from Regular Baptists to Missionary Baptists as the great awakening of the early 1800s encouraged the idea of missions. PB do not have universities to educate ministers.....the preachers do not prepare sermons in advance....spontaneous and of the spirit. The term Reverend is not accepted.....in this they are like the Church of Christ....the proper term is Elder and that can be applied to a deacon as well as a church miinster as a token of respect. (I know that historical markers refer to Rev. Henry Hurley there today but I am certain that term was never used by him or his membership in his lifetime). All Primitive Baptists believe in Predestination....an issue that has resulted in factions. The Two Seeders as Charles mentioned believed that God predestined ALL things....and philosophically that would mean that God is the author of both good and Evil...the two seed doctrine. One will find some PB church ministers that are very highly educated... and others that can barely read their Bible. Church ministers do not accept salaries but are provided for thru church offerings after church bills are paid. The pastor of the church in Stephenville at this time is a practicing medical doctor during weekdays....my late brother was a certified public accountant....one of my PB minister cousins was with the Dept of Indian Affairs as an administrator for many years....farming is often the career of PB minsiters over the many years. Unlike the Missionary Baptists which nominally split into American Baptists (North) and Southern Baptists (South), there was never any national PB group to begin with. Churches associated with other churches as they see fit ...like they do today. I am sure that in border states such as Tennessee and Virginia, that certain churches did renounce association with other churches...which they do today. I index national obituaries for two current PB papers (Roots Web programs) and I get obituaries from Maine or New York or Washington or Oregon and frequently Massachusetts. But there is no question that a larger number of PB are in the South. I have heard it expressed in this manner-----there are more PB churches in the single state of Georgia than there are in all the states west of the Mississippi combined. Again I apologize to anyone not interested in this church perspective..... but if one researches early Texas and Erath County history, they should know a bit of the background of this denomination as I intend it to be helpful. As an example, knowing that the use of the term Elder as a title in front of a PB does not mean they were an "ordained minister". Family historians who did not understand this have made mistakes in interpreting old church minits more often than not. And , yes, as Charles pointed out, washing of each other's feet is a tradition observed normally at an annual conference or as a tradition following ordination of new ministers. Someone suggested that they understood this to be part of weekly services. No. The practice is in commemorating the humble Lord Jesus who washed the disciples feet. I don't know of any Missionary churches that hold today with this practice but there could be some. Bill McCarty Odessa, texas

I would like to thank both Mr.Wyle and Mr McCarty. I have found the information very helpful and interesting.My gtgrandmother Mary Ellen Keith was the first one baptisted in the PB church in Green Creek in 1877 by Elder W.C. Burke of Cammanche Co. Tx. Peggy Thompson ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Peggy: I went to Bowman Ridge Cemetery last June. It is a little tricky to find, but if you have an Erath County map, not too bad. It is close to Alexander, TX, off of Hwy 6 and on County Road 273. The people at the Harrell Funeral Home in Dublin were very helpful in giving directions. When I went, the gate was locked. Anyone else out there have more info?? Kim Ewers ----- Original Message ----- From: peggy thompson <peggythompson@hotmail.com> To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 1999 7:55 AM Subject: [ERATH] BOWMAN RIDGE CEMETERY > Hello, > I just recieved my gtgrandfathers Abija Keith old trunk and I found that my > gtgtgrandmother is buried in Bowman Ridge Cemetery.Is this cemetery still > around and if so how can I can I get information from > it. My grandmother Elizabeth Keith died Feb.2,1895. After the death > of husband Nichodemus Keith in 1853 I believe she married a John > Leonard Uzzell so I dont know which name she is buried under. > Also does any one know when the Primitive Baptist Church was started? > Thank You, > > Peggy Thompson > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 1999 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com >

My name is Peggy McCleskey Broughton and I live in Erath County on the south side very close to the Hamilton -Comanche county line, in a once thriving community called Purves, not there is nothing here except the Purves Baptist Church, the other business where gone in about 1947 when the school closed and the students went to Dublin, We have lived in the community since 1989 and in Erath County since 1970,,, 3 of our children graduated from Dublin High School and I now have 3 grand children in school there, I enjoy the Wyly stories so much and know so many of the people. Thanks for the history lessons. Peggy M. Broughton ----- Original Message ----- From: <Texasdog@aol.com> To: <TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 1999 12:37 AM Subject: Re: [ERATH] This weeks Biography > In a message dated 10/15/99 5:29:46 PM Central Daylight Time, > peggyh@pernet.net writes: > > << I am excited to hear what this weeks upcoming Biography will be. How > about it Bill, can you give us a sneak preview of what is to come? I have > been reading about family and friends of family in these articles and can't > wait to see what is next >> > > Peggy, > I appreciate your kind words.....the Fort Worth Genealogical Society > has granted to use the RUCIDLO papers ( 3 reel set ) in order to use > the writings and collective papers of the late Mrs. Rucidlo in order to > adapt biography pieces for this Erath County project. This week's > submitted biography is on Bertha Cappleman Williamson, b. 1876- d. 1976 > who was a long time resident of Stephenville. Mrs. Williamson had a > very sharp mind and was interviewed by Mrs. Rucidlo around 1973/74 when > Mrs. Williamson related many family stories of her family to Mrs. Rucidlo. > This piece is really more in relating stories by Mrs. Williamson (somewhat > lik those of Charles Wyly except I think Mrs. Williamson was a little bit > older than Charles although I am sure not by much...) RUCIDLO papers > is copyright of the FWGS and I know that one set of the films are in the > Fort Worth Public Library and we have one here in the Odessa library. > This week's piece should be up on the webpage by sometime Sunday. > If anyone is interested in submitting biographies for Erath County, they > may contact me or Alice Moore (xmasmom@juno.com). If one would like > to volunteer in the statewide project or would like to submit a biography > for another county, Cindy Radway of Iraan is the state project chairman. > Her E-mail address is: radway@tenet.edu > > To contact the FWGS, their president is Pat Gordon...E-mail: patg@flash.net > > I think there are more than one Peggy on this list. Where do you live > if I may ask? I know there is one lady from Dublin but there must be > two of you unless you have more than one E-mail address?! > > Bill McCarty Odessa,Texas <A > HREF="http://members.tripod.com/cindyradway/Erath/erath.html">Erath > County--Biographies--Home Page</A> > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 1999 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: TXERATH-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: TXERATH-L-request@rootsweb.com >

In a message dated 10/16/99 8:56:30 AM Central Daylight Time, peggythompson@hotmail.com writes: << I just recieved my gtgrandfathers Abija Keith old trunk and I found that my gtgtgrandmother is buried in Bowman Ridge Cemetery.Is this cemetery still around and if so how can I can I get information from it. My grandmother Elizabeth Keith died Feb.2,1895. After the death of husband Nichodemus Keith in 1853 I believe she married a John Leonard Uzzell so I dont know which name she is buried under. Also does any one know when the Primitive Baptist Church was started? Thank You, >> Peggy Thompson, Seems likes we are overrun with Peggys.....I got a private E-mail late last night from Peggy Harrington of Bridge City (near Port Arthur) and also acknowledge the posts of Peggy Broughton of Purves. Are you familiar with a book entitled "Descendants of Nichodemus Keith and Margaret Borden", publ. 1987, by Roy T. Mitchell of Eagle Lake, Texas. Hardbound. It is the most thorough treatment of this line that I have seen. I have been to Bowman Ridge but it has been several years. If I am thinking of the right cemetery, it is well maintained and is still active but I am sure others can give better information on that particular cemetery. Growing up in a family of several generations of Primitive Baptists including a brother and four first cousins who were ordained ministers, I will give you my perspective. The Primitive Baptists Churches in America are generally those whoses articles of faith are those of the "Philadelphia Confession of Faith of 1776" and several years earlier there was a London Confession of Faith in Great Britain. A book published in 1885 by Halsell, who was the president of Duke University and whose education was in linguistics completed a book that his father started. The father was Sylvester Halsell and I don't recall the given name of the son. The son could read or speak as many as fifteen different languages therefore much of the church history is based on early day writings. Remember that before Gutenberg invented typeset in the 1400s that documents were in handwritten manuscript and much of the writings were in Latin, German, Hebrew, Greek or other languages. In short, Halsell will submit Church history century by century to the first century Christians. Your early day Baptists were known by names that were given them by others and for this reason, they were known by numerous other names throughout the middle ages depending on what country the people were in. Baptists were persecuted by the Roman Catholics throughout the centuries.....beheadings, burned at the stake, and structured genocide of these peoples by the organized church of Rome or Constantinople or the Islamic church. Martin Luther, with his 95 Theses in 1517, was one who with other groups were responsible for the Protestant Reformation of the 16th century whereby organized churches that are now Lutheran, Presbyterian, Church of England --- (Episcopal Church as it is known in the USA)-- all broke from the Church of Rome. To understand how the Primitive Baptists think, the term "protestant" when applied to them is considered an insult as they were never of the organized Roman Church. Their practices and principles were different and they were not a party to the reformation. These newly organized Protestant Churches still continued to persecute the Baptists or Rebaptizers or whatever they were called. Many were driven into Wales which became a haven somewhat for the people. My late brother who passed away in 1990 was a mild mannered pastor of two churches at the time of his death.....San Angelo and Eldorado. But if one called him a Protestant, he could flair up real quick. But if you are more interested in learning about the PB, locate the book by Halsell. It is probably 1,200 to 1,400 pages in length so it is not an overnight read. The first church in the Erath County area was in July 1859 in the Duffau area and was known as the Bosque Church. Elders Henry Hurley and C.D. Skidmore and deacon James McCarty were the principals and members included surnames Turnbow, Gotcher, Havens, Boucher, Martin, Gilbreath, Mefford, Roberts, Cain, Gotcher, Burnett, Hollis, and Manney. Other churches followed over the course of years. The first church of Texas was that of the Pilgrim Church founded by Elder Daniel Parker, he of the Parker family of Cynthia Ann Parker--captured and raised by the Comanche, and was near Palestine. Mexico would not allow any churches to be formed within the province of Texas as the Catholic church was the established church. Parker and others travelled from Illinois by wagon train and "established a church" in route to Texas thus technically not establishing a church "within" Texas. Hopefully this gives you some insight and background on the Primitive Baptists. Bill McCarty Odessa, Texas

Hello, I just recieved my gtgrandfathers Abija Keith old trunk and I found that my gtgtgrandmother is buried in Bowman Ridge Cemetery.Is this cemetery still around and if so how can I can I get information from it. My grandmother Elizabeth Keith died Feb.2,1895. After the death of husband Nichodemus Keith in 1853 I believe she married a John Leonard Uzzell so I dont know which name she is buried under. Also does any one know when the Primitive Baptist Church was started? Thank You, Peggy Thompson ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

In a message dated 10/15/99 5:29:46 PM Central Daylight Time, peggyh@pernet.net writes: << I am excited to hear what this weeks upcoming Biography will be. How about it Bill, can you give us a sneak preview of what is to come? I have been reading about family and friends of family in these articles and can't wait to see what is next >> Peggy, I appreciate your kind words.....the Fort Worth Genealogical Society has granted to use the RUCIDLO papers ( 3 reel set ) in order to use the writings and collective papers of the late Mrs. Rucidlo in order to adapt biography pieces for this Erath County project. This week's submitted biography is on Bertha Cappleman Williamson, b. 1876- d. 1976 who was a long time resident of Stephenville. Mrs. Williamson had a very sharp mind and was interviewed by Mrs. Rucidlo around 1973/74 when Mrs. Williamson related many family stories of her family to Mrs. Rucidlo. This piece is really more in relating stories by Mrs. Williamson (somewhat lik those of Charles Wyly except I think Mrs. Williamson was a little bit older than Charles although I am sure not by much...) RUCIDLO papers is copyright of the FWGS and I know that one set of the films are in the Fort Worth Public Library and we have one here in the Odessa library. This week's piece should be up on the webpage by sometime Sunday. If anyone is interested in submitting biographies for Erath County, they may contact me or Alice Moore (xmasmom@juno.com). If one would like to volunteer in the statewide project or would like to submit a biography for another county, Cindy Radway of Iraan is the state project chairman. Her E-mail address is: radway@tenet.edu To contact the FWGS, their president is Pat Gordon...E-mail: patg@flash.net I think there are more than one Peggy on this list. Where do you live if I may ask? I know there is one lady from Dublin but there must be two of you unless you have more than one E-mail address?! Bill McCarty Odessa,Texas <A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/cindyradway/Erath/erath.html">Erath County--Biographies--Home Page</A>

I am excited to hear what this weeks upcoming Biography will be. How about it Bill, can you give us a sneak preview of what is to come? I have been reading about family and friends of family in these articles and can't wait to see what is next. I am putting my family history together to present a little later and I encourage all of you with family in Erath to contribute and lets get involved in preserving our family's history for those to come. We now do not have to depend on libraries with county history books to look up our family because of the wonderful things this is accomplishing for all of us. I have seen articles on these small communities in and around Erath that before were hard to find if information was even available. Lets let it be known that these small communities did exist and contribute showing our families living there and their history. Thanks Peggy

Hi Charles Wyly..... Thanx for the info.....What a "Treasure" you are!!!! You are such a wonderful source of information for this list. Shirley Gig Harbor, WA "Charles A. Wyly" wrote: > Hi, > Driskill, Turley, Stephens, Willis- all in Erath County >

Hi, Driskill, Turley, Stephens, Willis- all in Erath County Roy Driskill lived in the Pony Creek area in 1940-50's, at least in Three Way School Dist. of today. I remember the Turleys being there, but dad knew them personally better than I- can remember no details except one was named Bill Turley. Several families of Jacksons county wide. Check census film at your library. Willis- "Hub" Willis was a Stephenville cabinet maker on Huckaby highway in 1930-40's . Grandmother had him to make her a kitchen cabinet and a quilt box- the latter was made from ceiling board and so snug that mice and bugs never got in it. Manete Willis worked in Hillsboro - Hill County Courthouse tax office with my wife Jeannie. She was from Abbott and in addition to her kids she raised 2 more you may know of- her kin- Willie Nelson and Sister, when they used to play for Methodist and Babtist Churches in Abbott. Willie also played with Rejcek Bros. Polka Band. A few miles down I-35 in Bellmead, McLennan County was another Willis family who had a daughter who became the Texas Governor Ann Richards. Ann's former husband had a home with pool in Hillsboro. Willis , Wylly, Wyllys, Wyly, Wylie, Wiley are all dimunitives of William and the spellings seem to have become consistent with King William the Conqueror. Before tht father and son did not always have the last name spelled the same. Willie Blount of Tennessee pronounced his name Wyly Blount. If you search Georgia Land records and census, one would think there would be a slew of Wylly in the U.S. 200 years later, but I have net met a living one or seen it in a phone book travelling. Did the name run out due to no male heirs? some branches of the Wyly family have done just that- in some branches there were no male heirs- in others 2 or 3 out of 10 might have been boys. Take care, Charles Wyly

Evening... Hoping someone connects to these Jacksons Silas Jackson b. 1835 TN mar in 1856 to Lucretia Ann "Ann L." Morrison in Coryell Co., TX Children: 1. William Rufus Jackson b 1857 in TX mar Susan F. (Unk last name) and had: a. Novelta Jackson b. Silas H. Jackson c. William A. Jackson d. Mamie E. Jackson e. Nevada J. Jackson f. Nora A. Jackson g. Rosa M. Jackson h. Blanche Jackson i. Roy Jackson j. Allen Jackson 2. Mary Elizabeth Jackson b 1860 TX mar Eli F. Willis and had: a. Lucinda F. Willis b. Mary A. Willis c. Fannie Willis d. Alder Willis mar Mr. Turpin e. Bessie Willis mar Mr. Driskill f. Tom Willis g. Ethel L. Willis mar John Hardin (I have list of their children) h. Mollie Willis mar Mr. Stephens i. Lillie Willis j. Rhoda Willis mar Mr. Turley 3. Byron Andrew Jackson b 1863 TX 4. Margaret "Theresa" L. Jackson b 1867 TX mar Mr. Whatley (had Jim & Etta) 5. John Levi "Lee" Jackson b 1874 TX mar Susan Temperance Green in OK. This family moved to California. John Levi Jackson was my great grandfather. Anything sound familiar to anyone?? Any leads would be appreciated. Shirley Gig Harbor, WA

Hi, no, just a son who is a pharmacist, Mike and aa husband, Kenneth, retired from Mobil Oil Company. Do you remember when a pusher was a foreman of an oil field crew? The term is still used in West Texas. Take care Charles Wyly