Hello again Mr. Wyly, It is of great interest to me--the stories of Mingus and Thurber. My great grandfather Ferd Hill had a store in Thurber during the boom years I would say possibly the 20's. He later lived in Mingus and had a dairy there and had 80 acres of pecans. I posted to the Rootsweb Palo Pinto site stories that my dad, Everett Jones told about his life in the Mingus area and things that he remembered happening. I believe the webmaster posted them under Ferdinand Hammond Hill. The night before my dad died, he began telling stories as he remembered them the more he talked the more I took notes. No one knew that his last remembrances would be about Mingus and some of the folks there. His Uncle Tom Boggus, married Nell Hill one of Ferd Hill's daughters. Uncle Tom was a bootlegger but also was elected to public office in either Mingus or Strawn. If any other of you folks in and around the Mingus, Thurber area know or have heard of any stories about the life there I would love to add more to my Mingus notes. Sincerely, Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles A. Wyly <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 7:25 AM Subject: [ERATH] Fw: Mail Not Delivered > Hi, > Apparently Tom's box is full again. Perhaps he will see it here. My E > mail company will store messages for a few days- short term. have that > problem too sometimes and have to file or delete like Crazy- nothing for > a few days then 15 to 20 in one day. > > In addition to Txerath news in letter below, Read all Historical Markers > in Stephenville listed on a Texas list. The private non charterred bank > of Cage and Crow on Northwest corner of Stephenville was 2 story. A > marker there stated that an italian Opera House was in the second floor > of the bamnk and many Italian and other European miners came to the > Stephenville Cage and Crow Opera house over the bank. Not sure, but I > think this was when Stephenville had open saloons instead of hiding > behind the skirts of private Clubs of today. Bet that has cut in on the > Mingus and Glen Rose trips . Also read the Erath County Historical > calendars published by Dan Young - Brenda Lamb assisted on some of them. > ( Historic calendars are old calendars- Historical calendars are recent > printing from collection of Historic events day by day). Stephenville > Century or 20 th Century club still publishes new calendars of historic > events., different each year. > > I never went to Mingus except passing through to other towns. A one time > the Horseshoe shaped bar there, run by some Italians at one time, was the > largest bar between Fort Worth and El Paso. , or so the Big Boys said. > Uncle Lewis Wyly and dad hauled Thurber Bricks from the Baptist Church, > 1930's. Building for foundations of Chicken houses and a milk shed on > same land Selden ( Hatchett related) Cemetery is on. The old Bandstand > from Thurber was moved to Hwy 6 road to Duffau , back to Mingus in the > last few years. . It was a "Round" or Hexagonal shape- and was the home > of 2 brothers who came to Bosque Valley League adult Baseball games at > Johnsville and Iredell in a Model T open top touring Car. They traded > even for a new Ford in Cleburne,as they said it was cooler for their > hounds when they attended Hunting dog shows. > > The Historical Calendars (with references)state that when karankawa > Volcano erupted in Indonesia, people in Stephenville, Mineral Wells and > Eastland heard a slow low rumble- Stage drivers said it was reported in > all towns they stopped in. The ash circulated the globe 3 & 1/2 times. > Sound Ridicilious? For the second time since 1989, the Mexican farmers in > Drouth stricken Central American countries are doing their annual field > burn offs to plow for the next crop in Jungle clearings and the fires are > out of hand. Yesterday in area from Austin to past Waco we did not see > the sun on a clear day, because of the smoke- sometimes there was a light > spot in the haxe, but no full sun. This blows across the Gulf into > Houston- corpus area or comes across the Rio Grande, depending on Jet > stream fluctuations.In 1988, it reached Lubbock. If your friends are > strange lately, maybe the smoke has a little Marijuana in it. Naw, it's > just the lack of normal sunlight. > > Take care, > Charles A. Wyly > > --------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: 11 May 2003 03:27:43 -0000 > Subject: Mail Not Delivered > From: "Charles A. Wyly" <[email protected]> > > Tom, > read your Thurber History again. TP Coal and Oil had recruited short men > all over Europe for digging the coal from veins in some mines, that a 6 > foot man would have to lay on his side and kneel or crawl in. The Company > had separate Catholic Churches for the Irish in one group and Czechs > and Italians in the other, and they were assigned as groups to some > jobs.They had some differences in holidays and famil;y life. The word > Mingus is Italian. I have talked to elderly Czech men in West, Texas , > McLennan County who said they were born in either Mingus or Newcastle > Mine town near Graham. Oklahoma Coal Miners in Yukon, Okla, and in > another town east of OKC towards Tahlequah also had similar history of > European Coal miners- but only 2 restaurants in Okla, still make good > Kolaches and Koblisneik and Strudle . > > Some in the edge of Eastland and Erath County who now own land had > Italian roots. They have posted to this site a few years ago. Should be > in Archives of Txerath or Southern Trails. Wendell Montgomery of West > Pharmacy and Bakery died last month. he was Catholic and had some Erath > County connections- and knew the history of the Dr. Wylie of Bosque > County, as Wendell 's dad had bought Dr. Wylie's home and clinic- 2 story > frame, on hill behind West Dairy Queen.Wendell's 35 women and Co-op > school kids supplied Czech food for Ennis Polka Festival every year. > > When I was in the West Kiwanis Club and teaching there, Vince Incardona , > deputy, and later County Commisioner was also a member. He was born in > Marlin. One of the West Lumber Tuckers was kidding him just before > Westfest as to why he spoke Czech and Vince laughed and said speaking > Czech was desireable for an Italian in Falls County. One black man I > taught with said he had bought land from a white farmer who carried his > own note and he preferred to sell to him than one of the Italians who > wanted it. Back then West and Cameron Churches of Unity of the Brethern > ( Moravian) had Czech language preaching by Rev. Bezdek of West.On other > Sundays all services were in English (1960's) They were similar to Modern > Menninites or conservative Baptists.One of these churches south of Texas > A&M on Hwy 6 is unusually beauriful . > > 2 blocks towards the railroad in West is the Aderholdt Funeral Home- and > was run by Al Payne for many years- a kin. Dr. Aderholdt had practiced > medicine in Erath County before moving to West. Could he have been Czech > or Italian?Sounds more Swiss or Moravian. His granddaughter in 1998 was > Chief administrator of Ridgecrest Retirement Village on south side of > Lake Waco- on Hwy 6 in Woodway, near Bosque Blvd > > I suppose you know about the Mexican group in Falls county who were > Charcoal burners with a big pit- and sold the charcoal to some > Wholesaler. Also, the village around the Falls County gravel works. I > would have had to recruit Adult Ed students from there had I taken the > job, after retirement, with headquarters in old Elm Mott School (near > Wao) for > several countiues. Sounded like too much time for the pay. > > For a starter,check Google for the San Francisco Library daily newspapers > of japanese and Italians who were relocated from the West Coast when WW2 > started. New York Library or Smithsonian should have this on line for > East Coast. > Same happened on the East Coast- notsure about Gulf of Mexico. Some went > to kansas on a 2 week notice with Military Escort guards. . My present > neighbor - Hoshizaki, wasfirst generation American born and left San > Francisco area for Louisville, Ky resetlement area- old Barracks and > cottages. he attended Baptist > Seminary in Louisbille and becamea Japanese Missionary to Japan. His son > is now involved in English- Japqnese Computer programs and spends muv=ch > of his time there. He is a Baylor Grad. > > Those in present Mexia State School buildings in WW2, and those in > Cleburne were German Prisoners of War, not relocated civilians. In > Cleburne they lived under the North Football bleachers on U.S. 67,built > in 1930's by WPA, and openings were coverred with tarps. > > Take care, > Charles A. Wyly > > t, 10 May 2003 08:30:40 +0000 "Tom Rogers" <[email protected]> > writes: > > Hi, Charles, > > I just now read your interesting letter of Apr. 6 about > > Italians in > > Marlin and Erath Co. I am not on the Erath mailing list any more > > because my > > inbox filled up and too many messages bounced. > > I had no family in Marlin after 1902, and my father never > > mentioned any > > Italians there. In fact, the only Marlin family names I recall are > > Falconer > > (Bolivar and Theodore), Barton (Harry), and King (Conway). > > I think one of the Bartons originated Barton's Dyanshine. Another > > started an > > oil company in SW Arkansas. > > I never knew any Italians in Erath County. I knew one Mexican > > family > > (Lozano), one Jewish family (Novit, Siegel, Hoffman), and one Irish > > family > > (D.W. Sheehan). > > Tom Rogers > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >

Did not know any Wyly's in Vega..in fact don't think I know any in any location. Sorry. NLM

Hi, did you know Alton Wyly of Vega? His Wylty ancestor, and tht of Bill McVean of Early, Texas and Suldfur Springs Texas was descended from Captain Alfred henderson Wyly and his East Texas Redlanders and Balch cousins, who joined Sam Houston just before the Battle of San jacintoMy branch and Capt.Wyly-s branch split off the Wyly Tree about 6 generations ago. Alton never missed a Stephenville Reunion until his illness, His wife had Duffau, Texas roots. Take care, Charles Wyly On Sat, 10 May 2003 08:14:27 -0700 Norma Lee Mayben <[email protected]> writes: > The Estes family of Bovina were not related to Billy Saul Estes > line. We lived and farmed for 4 years in the Bovina area and knew > the > family that way. There were also Estes families in Muleshoe for > awhile > but don't know anything about them now either. > > Norma > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

Hi, Apparently Tom's box is full again. Perhaps he will see it here. My E mail company will store messages for a few days- short term. have that problem too sometimes and have to file or delete like Crazy- nothing for a few days then 15 to 20 in one day. In addition to Txerath news in letter below, Read all Historical Markers in Stephenville listed on a Texas list. The private non charterred bank of Cage and Crow on Northwest corner of Stephenville was 2 story. A marker there stated that an italian Opera House was in the second floor of the bamnk and many Italian and other European miners came to the Stephenville Cage and Crow Opera house over the bank. Not sure, but I think this was when Stephenville had open saloons instead of hiding behind the skirts of private Clubs of today. Bet that has cut in on the Mingus and Glen Rose trips . Also read the Erath County Historical calendars published by Dan Young - Brenda Lamb assisted on some of them. ( Historic calendars are old calendars- Historical calendars are recent printing from collection of Historic events day by day). Stephenville Century or 20 th Century club still publishes new calendars of historic events., different each year. I never went to Mingus except passing through to other towns. A one time the Horseshoe shaped bar there, run by some Italians at one time, was the largest bar between Fort Worth and El Paso. , or so the Big Boys said. Uncle Lewis Wyly and dad hauled Thurber Bricks from the Baptist Church, 1930's. Building for foundations of Chicken houses and a milk shed on same land Selden ( Hatchett related) Cemetery is on. The old Bandstand from Thurber was moved to Hwy 6 road to Duffau , back to Mingus in the last few years. . It was a "Round" or Hexagonal shape- and was the home of 2 brothers who came to Bosque Valley League adult Baseball games at Johnsville and Iredell in a Model T open top touring Car. They traded even for a new Ford in Cleburne,as they said it was cooler for their hounds when they attended Hunting dog shows. The Historical Calendars (with references)state that when karankawa Volcano erupted in Indonesia, people in Stephenville, Mineral Wells and Eastland heard a slow low rumble- Stage drivers said it was reported in all towns they stopped in. The ash circulated the globe 3 & 1/2 times. Sound Ridicilious? For the second time since 1989, the Mexican farmers in Drouth stricken Central American countries are doing their annual field burn offs to plow for the next crop in Jungle clearings and the fires are out of hand. Yesterday in area from Austin to past Waco we did not see the sun on a clear day, because of the smoke- sometimes there was a light spot in the haxe, but no full sun. This blows across the Gulf into Houston- corpus area or comes across the Rio Grande, depending on Jet stream fluctuations.In 1988, it reached Lubbock. If your friends are strange lately, maybe the smoke has a little Marijuana in it. Naw, it's just the lack of normal sunlight. Take care, Charles A. Wyly --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Date: 11 May 2003 03:27:43 -0000 Subject: Mail Not Delivered From: "Charles A. Wyly" <[email protected]> Tom, read your Thurber History again. TP Coal and Oil had recruited short men all over Europe for digging the coal from veins in some mines, that a 6 foot man would have to lay on his side and kneel or crawl in. The Company had separate Catholic Churches for the Irish in one group and Czechs and Italians in the other, and they were assigned as groups to some jobs.They had some differences in holidays and famil;y life. The word Mingus is Italian. I have talked to elderly Czech men in West, Texas , McLennan County who said they were born in either Mingus or Newcastle Mine town near Graham. Oklahoma Coal Miners in Yukon, Okla, and in another town east of OKC towards Tahlequah also had similar history of European Coal miners- but only 2 restaurants in Okla, still make good Kolaches and Koblisneik and Strudle . Some in the edge of Eastland and Erath County who now own land had Italian roots. They have posted to this site a few years ago. Should be in Archives of Txerath or Southern Trails. Wendell Montgomery of West Pharmacy and Bakery died last month. he was Catholic and had some Erath County connections- and knew the history of the Dr. Wylie of Bosque County, as Wendell 's dad had bought Dr. Wylie's home and clinic- 2 story frame, on hill behind West Dairy Queen.Wendell's 35 women and Co-op school kids supplied Czech food for Ennis Polka Festival every year. When I was in the West Kiwanis Club and teaching there, Vince Incardona , deputy, and later County Commisioner was also a member. He was born in Marlin. One of the West Lumber Tuckers was kidding him just before Westfest as to why he spoke Czech and Vince laughed and said speaking Czech was desireable for an Italian in Falls County. One black man I taught with said he had bought land from a white farmer who carried his own note and he preferred to sell to him than one of the Italians who wanted it. Back then West and Cameron Churches of Unity of the Brethern ( Moravian) had Czech language preaching by Rev. Bezdek of West.On other Sundays all services were in English (1960's) They were similar to Modern Menninites or conservative Baptists.One of these churches south of Texas A&M on Hwy 6 is unusually beauriful . 2 blocks towards the railroad in West is the Aderholdt Funeral Home- and was run by Al Payne for many years- a kin. Dr. Aderholdt had practiced medicine in Erath County before moving to West. Could he have been Czech or Italian?Sounds more Swiss or Moravian. His granddaughter in 1998 was Chief administrator of Ridgecrest Retirement Village on south side of Lake Waco- on Hwy 6 in Woodway, near Bosque Blvd I suppose you know about the Mexican group in Falls county who were Charcoal burners with a big pit- and sold the charcoal to some Wholesaler. Also, the village around the Falls County gravel works. I would have had to recruit Adult Ed students from there had I taken the job, after retirement, with headquarters in old Elm Mott School (near Wao) for several countiues. Sounded like too much time for the pay. For a starter,check Google for the San Francisco Library daily newspapers of japanese and Italians who were relocated from the West Coast when WW2 started. New York Library or Smithsonian should have this on line for East Coast. Same happened on the East Coast- notsure about Gulf of Mexico. Some went to kansas on a 2 week notice with Military Escort guards. . My present neighbor - Hoshizaki, wasfirst generation American born and left San Francisco area for Louisville, Ky resetlement area- old Barracks and cottages. he attended Baptist Seminary in Louisbille and becamea Japanese Missionary to Japan. His son is now involved in English- Japqnese Computer programs and spends muv=ch of his time there. He is a Baylor Grad. Those in present Mexia State School buildings in WW2, and those in Cleburne were German Prisoners of War, not relocated civilians. In Cleburne they lived under the North Football bleachers on U.S. 67,built in 1930's by WPA, and openings were coverred with tarps. Take care, Charles A. Wyly t, 10 May 2003 08:30:40 +0000 "Tom Rogers" <[email protected]> writes: > Hi, Charles, > I just now read your interesting letter of Apr. 6 about > Italians in > Marlin and Erath Co. I am not on the Erath mailing list any more > because my > inbox filled up and too many messages bounced. > I had no family in Marlin after 1902, and my father never > mentioned any > Italians there. In fact, the only Marlin family names I recall are > Falconer > (Bolivar and Theodore), Barton (Harry), and King (Conway). > I think one of the Bartons originated Barton's Dyanshine. Another > started an > oil company in SW Arkansas. > I never knew any Italians in Erath County. I knew one Mexican > family > (Lozano), one Jewish family (Novit, Siegel, Hoffman), and one Irish > family > (D.W. Sheehan). > Tom Rogers > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > >

Tom, read your Thurber History again. TP Coal and Oil had recruited short men all over Europe for digging the coal from veins in some mines, that a 6 foot man would have to lay on his side and kneel or crawl. The Company had separate Catholic Churches for the Irish in one group and Czechs and Italians in the other, and they were assigned as groups to some jobs.They had some differences in holidays and famil;y life. The word Mingus is Italian. I have talked to elderly Czech men in West, Texas , McLennan County who said they were born in either Mingus or Newcastle Mine town near Graham. Oklahoma Coal Miners in Yukon, Okla, and in another town east of OKC towards Tahlequah also had similar history of European Coal miners- but only 2 restaurants in Okla, still make good Kolaches and Koblisneik and Strudle . Some in the edge of Eastland and Erath County who now own land had Italian roots. They have posted to this site a few years ago. Should be in Archives of Txerath or Southern Trails. Wendell Montgomery of West Pharmacy and Bakery died last month. he was Catholic and had some Erath County connections- and knew the history of the Dr. Wylie of Bosque County, as Wendell 's dad had bought Dr. Wylie's home and clinic- 2 story frame, on hill behind West Dairy Queen.Wendell's 35 women and Co-op school kids supplied Czech food for Ennis Polka Festival every year. When I was in the West Kiwanis Club and teaching there, Vince Incardona , deputy, and later County Commisioner was also a member. He was born in Marlin. One of the Wet Lumber Tuckers was kidding hoim just before Westfest as to why he spoke Czech and Gince laughed and said speaking Czech was desireable for an Italian in Falls County. One black man I taught with said he had bought land from a white farmer who carried his own note and he preferred to sell to him than one of the Italians who wanted it. 2 blocks towards the railroad in West is the Aderholdt Funeral Home- and was run by Al Payne for many years- a kin. Dr. Aderholdt had practiced medicine in Erath County before moving to West. Could he have been Czech or Italian? His granddaughter in 1998 was Chief Administrator of Ridgecrest Retirement Village on south side of Lake Waco- on Hwy 6 in Woodway, near Hwy 6 and Bosque Blvd I suppose you know about the Mexican group in Falls county who were Charcoal burners with a big pit- and sold the charcoal to some Wholesaler. Also, the village around the Falls County gravel works. I would have had to recruit Adult Ed students from there had I taken the job, after retirement, with headquarters in old Elm Mott School for several countiues. Sounded like too much time for the pay. For a starter,check Google for the San Francisco Library daily newspapers of japanese and Italians who were relocated from the West Coast when WW2 started. Same happened on the East Coast- notsure about Gulf of Mexico. Some went toi kansas on a 2 week notice. My present neighbor - Hoshhazaki, was first generation American born and left San Francisco area for Louisville , Ky resetlement area- old Barracks and cottages. he attended Baptist Seminary in Louisbille and becamea Japanese Missionary to Japan. His son is now involved in English- Japqnese Computer programs and spends muv=ch of his time there. He is a Baylor Grad. Those in present Mexia State School buildings in WW2, and those in Cleburne were German Prisoners of War, not relocated civilians. Take care, Charles A. Wyly t, 10 May 2003 08:30:40 +0000 "Tom Rogers" <[email protected]> writes: > Hi, Charles, > I just now read your interesting letter of Apr. 6 about > Italians in > Marlin and Erath Co. I am not on the Erath mailing list any more > because my > inbox filled up and too many messages bounced. > I had no family in Marlin after 1902, and my father never > mentioned any > Italians there. In fact, the only Marlin family names I recall are > Falconer > (Bolivar and Theodore), Barton (Harry), and King (Conway). > I think one of the Bartons originated Barton's Dyanshine. Another > started an > oil company in SW Arkansas. > I never knew any Italians in Erath County. I knew one Mexican > family > (Lozano), one Jewish family (Novit, Siegel, Hoffman), and one Irish > family > (D.W. Sheehan). > Tom Rogers > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > >

Hi my Estes came from mo&ar Malinda Estes was married to Thomas A Lefaber in 1855 lawrence county missouri, they were in Erath County Texas in 1860,that is where their daughter was born at,Luella B Lefaber 1860 i can,t fond anything on this family after 1870, they left Erath county texas and was back in missouri in 1870 then i don,t know what or where they went from there, thank you for replying marie in colorado [email protected]

The Estes family of Bovina were not related to Billy Saul Estes line. We lived and farmed for 4 years in the Bovina area and knew the family that way. There were also Estes families in Muleshoe for awhile but don't know anything about them now either. Norma

Hi, it just occured to me, there is an Estes chemical and farm Fertilizer company with many stores in central and West Texas., usually in same area as Wyloe Sprayers and Chemicals- mostly west of I-35, best I remember from doing Credit card advertising contract work about 10 years ago. Also, I and my wife have kin from Amarillo to Bovina to Roswell to Big Spring.and back to Van,and Houston, Texas. Two Erath County Moring Cousins now live on the Gulf Coast. This company had no connections to billie Sol Estes family. They should be on the internet.The owners of this application and supply company could be a missing link. Take care, Charles Wyly On Fri, 9 May 2003 19:45:18 -0700 [email protected] writes: > In a message dated 05/08/2003 6:54:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > > i,am hopeing some kid person out there will help me > > i,am searching for a 1860 census in Erath County Texas for Thomas > A Lefaber > > he was born in 1816 in ohio,i do know he was in earth county when > his > > little > > girl was born in 1860 she was Louella B Lefaber born 1860,Thomas > wife was > > Malinda Estes and they married in lawrence county missouri 1855?i > have them > > back in stone county missouri in 1870 she was takeing care of her > elder > > parents William J Estes and wife Millie,that is all i have on this > family > > and > > i need to find where they are buried and when,or anything that > will tell me > > what happen to this family after 1870, > > i would appricate any and all on them > > thank you > > marie in colorado > > [email protected] > > > > Dear Marie, > > Today is the "Estes", my kins is Sallie Elizaeth Thomas was the > bride at 16 > of W.M. Estes,(from Texas Marriages 1851-1900 (Denton,Tx.) then on > to Erath > Co.Tx.at 1910 married to my grandfather, David Louis Lemay. She had > Cecil C. > Estes born in 1888 in Denton and Artie L. Estes born1892. I do not > know what > happened to my Estes kin. > Thanks > Joyce Loden > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

In a message dated 05/08/2003 6:54:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > i,am hopeing some kid person out there will help me > i,am searching for a 1860 census in Erath County Texas for Thomas A Lefaber > he was born in 1816 in ohio,i do know he was in earth county when his > little > girl was born in 1860 she was Louella B Lefaber born 1860,Thomas wife was > Malinda Estes and they married in lawrence county missouri 1855?i have them > back in stone county missouri in 1870 she was takeing care of her elder > parents William J Estes and wife Millie,that is all i have on this family > and > i need to find where they are buried and when,or anything that will tell me > what happen to this family after 1870, > i would appricate any and all on them > thank you > marie in colorado > [email protected] > > Dear Marie, Today is the "Estes", my kins is Sallie Elizaeth Thomas was the bride at 16 of W.M. Estes,(from Texas Marriages 1851-1900 (Denton,Tx.) then on to Erath Co.Tx.at 1910 married to my grandfather, David Louis Lemay. She had Cecil C. Estes born in 1888 in Denton and Artie L. Estes born1892. I do not know what happened to my Estes kin. Thanks Joyce Loden > > >

I believe the Billy Sol Estes that was mentioned by Mr. Wyly is deceased..lived in Abilene for number of years. He was living in Earth, Lamb Co. Tx. when the "fertilizer tank business" happened. He has family still in Abilene. There are also or were some Estes living in the Bovina, Texas area in the 1950"s. Norma

Hi, this is a shot in the dark, but I wonder if your Estes families migrated to Clyde, Calahan County, Texas. My wife attended school there in 1950's with a Word Estes . Word's dad and mom were in the local commercial bird Fanciers organization with my wife's mom and dad.There were several semi retired folk raising hundreds of Parakeets each and other pet birds, and selling them to a buyer in Abilene Airport who flew them to the Chicago market. They traded with the Burkes Farm near Clairette, Erath County. Mr. and Mr. Estes were held in high regard by all who knew them. Mr. Estes was also a Real Estate agent and a staunch supporter of the Church of Christ. Word's older Brother Billy Sol was - and still is, I suppose, a Church of Christ lay minister. He had some problems borrowing more money than he had fertilizer tanks for colatteral and later , after settling legal problems, , declared bankruptcy and kept a Country Club as his legal home, a Grain truck as his " Horse and Wagon" , and a Cadillac and horse trailer as his " Family Transportation" under Texas Bankruptcy law. Another grad of Clyde High School was a "Slim" Willett who claimed to have written " Don't let the Stars Get in your Eyes" and recorded it- but that's another story in Abilene court records-and ran Abilene Battery Company. Take care, Charles A. Wyly On Thu, 8 May 2003 18:52:56 -0700 [email protected] writes: > i,am hopeing some kid person out there will help me > i,am searching for a 1860 census in Erath County Texas for Thomas A > Lefaber > he was born in 1816 in ohio,i do know he was in earth county when > his little > girl was born in 1860 she was Louella B Lefaber born 1860,Thomas > wife was > Malinda Estes and they married in lawrence county missouri 1855?i > have them > back in stone county missouri in 1870 she was takeing care of her > elder > parents William J Estes and wife Millie,that is all i have on this > family and > i need to find where they are buried and when,or anything that will > tell me > what happen to this family after 1870, > i would appricate any and all on them > thank you > marie in colorado > [email protected] > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

i,am hopeing some kid person out there will help me i,am searching for a 1860 census in Erath County Texas for Thomas A Lefaber he was born in 1816 in ohio,i do know he was in earth county when his little girl was born in 1860 she was Louella B Lefaber born 1860,Thomas wife was Malinda Estes and they married in lawrence county missouri 1855?i have them back in stone county missouri in 1870 she was takeing care of her elder parents William J Estes and wife Millie,that is all i have on this family and i need to find where they are buried and when,or anything that will tell me what happen to this family after 1870, i would appricate any and all on them thank you marie in colorado [email protected]

Hi, did your cousin contact me? If so, I did not recognize it as your cousin. Charles Wyly On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 04:33:16 -0800 Bull & Janet <[email protected]> writes: > Charles, > I have been in contact with a cousin of my husband and she is an > Arendell > and looking for info on this family. Do you mind if I put her in > contact > with you? > Janet > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charles A. Wyly" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 9:47 PM > Subject: Re: [ERATH] 1870 CENSUS, Alexander Hale > > > > Garvin's new wife is Dorothy Scrimsner, a Darnell- Hue=rley > grandchild. > > First Husband was Truett Carey, my Cousin. Then she Married Mutt > Suitt, > > who died a few years ago, about the time Olive Wyly Wood died. > > > > They live in the house between the Gin Lot and the old Baptising > hole in > > the bend of Simms Creek. Guess the new 2 story home he built > therewas a > > little big. Last year he lived there he had a Chinese Tarleton > student > > renting a room. The old Tom Arendell Cabin is restored by his home > and > > Dairy.not in Hamilton County as some history books say. The Cabin > was > > moved from the Moncrief Dairy and Garvin restoired it. Arendell > children > > amried Darnell- Arendell- Moxley, Higbee - and others related to > Moxleys. > > > > > > Take care, and Thanks. > > > > Charles Wyly > > > > On Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:13:35 -0800 "HaynesO'Neil" > > <[email protected]> writes: > > > > > > Yes, it was me who posted the Wood info. at my old e-mail > address. > > > My mother told me that Garvin Wood just recently married again. > He > > > is in his > > > late 80's....so sounds like he's doing quite well...a newlywed > > > again. You go > > > Garvin! I guess Olive passed away in 2000. I don't know his new > > > wife's name. > > > I also have tons of information on the: Watsons, Packs, and > Stephen > > > families. I > > > think I posted some of that also, but don't remember exactly > what. > > > The Pack > > > info. is extreemely large. It was started by Elwood Knox who put > out > > > a book on > > > the family back in the 1970's. My Best, Randy Haynes > > > "Charles A. Wyly" <[email protected]> wrote:Yes. I got it, and > Thanks. > > > I was > > > thinking this A.M. we should do more > > > acknowledgement of new info which helps us. Just a short > sentence > > > would > > > help. Thanks. > > > > > > Also was it you with a different E mail or another who posted > the > > > Wood > > > Family History? I attended school and Church with Selden Wood > family > > > - > > > their farm joined Uncle Lewis Wyly and cousin Lonnie Carey's > > > Dairiesacross the Duffau from our house. Randy Wyly now has a > Dairy > > > on > > > the Wood place and David Carey has his dad Lonnie's place- first > > > bought > > > by his Uncle George Carey, my Great Great Uncle. David has also > > > bought > > > the Odel Wright land to the Duffau Creek. The paved road from > U.S. > > > 67 > > > past Selden Cemetery to Duffau now has a public - private owned > > > TTruck > > > scales for bulk feed and silage onold Johnson land across from > > > David, > > > going to Duffau. > > > > > > Thanks, Charles Wyly > > > > > > On Sun, 9 Mar 2003 21:09:16 -0800 "HaynesO'Neil" > > > writes: > > > ***... > > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > > > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > > > -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > > > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > > > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > > > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > > > -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > > > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > > > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > > -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

Hi, we had Meltons in Walnut Springs school. afew years later, onme of them ttended Hill College, Hillsboro and Rode Hill College van from Bosque County. he was majoring in Auto Tech and basic Jr. college academic courses. Seems he had served in Vietnam between High School and Jr. College. . Any connection between Melton and Helton? Seems possible to one who has seen so many misspellings of Wyly- all but one were wrong, of course for us. Charles Wyly On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 20:50:08 -0700 Marcia Kalapus <[email protected]> writes: > To Kathy Tate: My ancestors are also Miller's who lived near > Commanche in > Commanche County on a farm from abt. 1881-1882 to early > 1900's.....then > they moved on to Haskell County........ where there was a large > group of > Miller families whose patriarch was Samuel Patton Miller, > Primitive > Baptist Minister near city of Haskell..... I know that these Millers > and > other Miller families along with some Helton's, Spoon's and other > families > came by wagon train from around Maries county, Missouri in the early > 1880's......maybe they are related to your Millers...........it has > been > difficult to track them without the 1890 census available.......Hope > you can > find them....... Marcia Kalapus----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kathy Tate" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 1:19 PM > Subject: Re: [ERATH] Cemeteries in Erath, Comanche, Hamilton > counties > > > > > > > this is either the Miller families who lived on the Miller Hill > past > > > Elvis Riggs towards Pony creek or on the old Selden- Hico road > in the > > > Millerville Community, roughly between Salem ( Little Duffau > Area) and > > > Hico, or between Clairette and Duffau. > > > > Hi Charles... > > I don't really think that's my group of Millers but on some of > these older > > families, it's hard to say for sure. The Kitty Miller Richey I've > been > > working on, lived and was buried in the Hazeldell community ...in > Comanche > > county but not far from the Hamilton and Erath county lines. I > know some > > of the Richey's living (or that lived) in Hamilton county are part > of my > > family but have no information that suggested they lived here in > the > > "Selden" area. > > > > I have very little on the Miller family ...I've haven't put much > time into > > researching that line of my family ...yet. > > > > Thanks, > > Kathy > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > > -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

Mr. Wyly Thank you for your lee info. Afraid we don't have a connection.

Marcia, I was told that Davidson Miller left Comanche county and moved to Buffalo Gap, Taylor county ...don't know when he moved, but he was buried there in 1908 ...Buffalo Gap is not too far from Haskell. My Davidson Miller was born in McNairy County TN, in 1821. I've only started working on the Miller family and so far, have not run across a Samuel. I'll keep my eyes open for the name. If you see anything that might link him with Davidson, please let me know... Thanks, Kathy > To Kathy Tate: My ancestors are also Miller's who lived near Commanche in > Commanche County on a farm from abt. 1881-1882 to early 1900's.....then > they moved on to Haskell County........ where there was a large group of > Miller families whose patriarch was Samuel Patton Miller, Primitive > Baptist Minister near city of Haskell..... I know that these Millers and > other Miller families along with some Helton's, Spoon's and other families > came by wagon train from around Maries county, Missouri in the early > 1880's......maybe they are related to your Millers...........it has been > difficult to track them without the 1890 census available.......Hope you can > find them....... Marcia Kalapus----- Original Message -----

To Kathy Tate: My ancestors are also Miller's who lived near Commanche in Commanche County on a farm from abt. 1881-1882 to early 1900's.....then they moved on to Haskell County........ where there was a large group of Miller families whose patriarch was Samuel Patton Miller, Primitive Baptist Minister near city of Haskell..... I know that these Millers and other Miller families along with some Helton's, Spoon's and other families came by wagon train from around Maries county, Missouri in the early 1880's......maybe they are related to your Millers...........it has been difficult to track them without the 1890 census available.......Hope you can find them....... Marcia Kalapus----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Tate" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [ERATH] Cemeteries in Erath, Comanche, Hamilton counties > > > this is either the Miller families who lived on the Miller Hill past > > Elvis Riggs towards Pony creek or on the old Selden- Hico road in the > > Millerville Community, roughly between Salem ( Little Duffau Area) and > > Hico, or between Clairette and Duffau. > > Hi Charles... > I don't really think that's my group of Millers but on some of these older > families, it's hard to say for sure. The Kitty Miller Richey I've been > working on, lived and was buried in the Hazeldell community ...in Comanche > county but not far from the Hamilton and Erath county lines. I know some > of the Richey's living (or that lived) in Hamilton county are part of my > family but have no information that suggested they lived here in the > "Selden" area. > > I have very little on the Miller family ...I've haven't put much time into > researching that line of my family ...yet. > > Thanks, > Kathy > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >

Hi, I have 2 Lees on my family tree- -one is through the Hatchett- Tuggle line. I do not know the complate Lee connections. I attended school at Johnsville with a Dixie Lee, but do not know any connetion. Descendants of Charles Lee 1 Charles Lee 1683 - ... +Dorothy .......... 2 George Lee 1715 - ................ +Mary Buford ...................... 3 Dorothy Lee 1749 - ............................ +Lodwick Tuggle 1741 - Tuggles , Tarrant and Herndons made Military uniforms for export world=wide from Bradford, England. for 400 years. Enterred through Jamestown, Virginia, where John Hatchett was from an orphan ship, age about 12 (Dad in Debtor;'s Prison) His grandad or G.G. was Burgess of Shrevesburg. His indentured contract was sold to John Farley, and he eloped with jane Farley against her dad's will before his contract had expired. John Farley was not a happy camper. .................................. 4 William Tuggle 1777 - ........................................ +Anna Dunn 1781 - Several Dunns show up from 1700's to the Dublin Sawmill Operator, Mr. Dunn, who was married to sister of Fred and Frank Wyly. Frank, Jr., age 17, drove 3000 English sheep from Atlanta to west of San Angelo as contracted to Trammel and Crow, of Stephenville and San Angelo. Mr. Dunn moved his sawmill to same area. last I heard it was still in use, cutting dead Pecan , Walnut and other hardwoods. Some of first Stephenville wood - not log, buildings were made of this "Buckskin" or " Rawhide "hardwood used as siding and/or panneling. Probably in some old Antique tables in Stephewnville, Dublin, and Brownwood and San Angelo. as local cabinetmakers bought local lumber and made furniture to order. Last of that line in Erath County was "Hub" Willis of Stephenville who made grandmother Wyly's cabinets for Selden home. he also used local hardwood in 1930's to make oak and Bois-D-Arc parts for wagon wheels which needed repair. Now we order such by catalog or stock number. .............................................. 5 Elizabeth Tuggle 1803 - 1890 .................................................... +John Beasley Hatchett 1794 - 1847 .......................................................... 6 Dr & Rev. William Pinckney Hatchett 1823 - 1905- Volunter Ranger guide for Taylor's Army in Mexico. & organized 17 Churches, Gonzales to Valley Mills to Erath County, sometimes shareing the pulpit with "Choctaw Bill" Robinson and others- and was in a group which organized a Central Texas Baptist Association before there was a Texas Baptist Organization statewide. ................................................................ +Angeli na Isabella Stevens 1829 - 1891 ...................................................................... 7 Ella Attalissa or Attasia Hatchett 1851 - 1901 ......................................................................... ... +Robert Augustine Wyly 1847 - 1938 ......................................................................... ......... 8 Henry Augustine Wyly 1876 - 1956 ......................................................................... ............... +Ida Catherine (Kathryn) Moxley 1876 - 1961 ......................................................................... ..................... 9 Eddie Augustine Wyly 1902 - 1987 ......................................................................... ........................... +Emma Irene Carey 1901 - 1993 ......................................................................... ................................. 10 Charles Augustine Wyly 1929 - ......................................................................... ....................................... +Willie Jean (Jeannie ) Riley 1936 - ( We have 4 grandchildremn and through our daughter's second marriage, we are suddenly Great Great grndparents. It goes with the territory. There are also Lees and hatchetts in Chalk Mountain Plainview, and /or Odom Chapel Cemetery. Take care, Charles A. Wyly .

> this is either the Miller families who lived on the Miller Hill past > Elvis Riggs towards Pony creek or on the old Selden- Hico road in the > Millerville Community, roughly between Salem ( Little Duffau Area) and > Hico, or between Clairette and Duffau. Hi Charles... I don't really think that's my group of Millers but on some of these older families, it's hard to say for sure. The Kitty Miller Richey I've been working on, lived and was buried in the Hazeldell community ...in Comanche county but not far from the Hamilton and Erath county lines. I know some of the Richey's living (or that lived) in Hamilton county are part of my family but have no information that suggested they lived here in the "Selden" area. I have very little on the Miller family ...I've haven't put much time into researching that line of my family ...yet. Thanks, Kathy

Randy I have 1900 for Thomas J. but not Thomas I. Would appreciate having it if not too much trouble. I know that there are alot of Census records now available but I do not see well enough to read microfilm or the Census that are copied directly from the Census. So, I do thank you. You may contact me direct at amronlee3Cox.net. Again, thank you., I enjoy Charles Wyly and his knowledge so much. Norma Norma