Alice Moore, My relative was Cos Turnbow who married my great-Aunt Clara Whisenant in the Dublin - Purvis area. Would you please send me a picture by e-mail of the cabin before it was dismantled? I would be very appreciative. It would add a lot to my genealogy records. If I can fill in any information for you, I would be very glad to do so. Theresa ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 3:13 PM Subject: [ERATH] Barbee Cabin in Dublin > Dana, > > Actually, that cabin in downtown Dublin was built by Chesley Turnbow and > later sold. I have never understood why credit was not given to the > Turnbow family as being the originator. It was a much larger cabin, but > when it was moved to Dublin only about a third of it was used. I was > given a small (foot long) portion on one of the logs that was left over > and in turn gave it to James William Turnbow, former professor of > engineering at Arizona State University ,a descendant of Chesley > Turnbow and Sabra Rose. > > >From Delma Turnbow Freeman's book "Our Kin Past and Present" > > Great grandfather brought his good Tennessee horses to Texas and traded > two mares for five hundred acres of land valued at five hundred dollars. > This was before Erath County was created out of Bosque and Coryell > Counties in 1856, and the land was originally a part of McLennan County. > The tract was purchased from James Stephen, and was out of the original > grant to Sion Blythe. This property was approximately seven miles south > of the present town of Dublin. > > The site chosen for their new home was on the west side of Resley Creek, > and near a good spring of water. Here they built a double log cabin with > open dog trot through the center. Immense fireplaces were built at the > east and west ends of the house. The walls, built dovetail fashion, were > of oak logs, and underpinnings were found to be six inch long wood pegs. > > Uncle Jim Turnbow, once s aid that great grandfather went to the Leon > river and cut bur oak timber for the hand hewn roof boards. For some > reason, bur oak was believed t make a superior roof. > > On September 25, 1858, Chesley and wife, sold the Resley Creek place of > 500 acres and the log house, to Mr Jones Barbee for $1,250.00 (Erath > County Deeds, book C--pg 35)............The house was dismantled about > 1970 and is now in the process of being restored, in Dublin, as a small > museum." > > I'm not trying to take anything from the Barbee family, but I do believe > that Chesley Turnbow should get credit for building the cabin. I have a > photograph of it before it was dismantled---just the fireplaces had been > removed. > > Alice Moore > President, Turnbow Cemetery Association > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2002 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

I am a little late reading this message but I have Whisenant relatives buried in the Barbee Cemetery. Since they have a prominent section in that cemetery, I have sure that they knew the Barbees. Do you know about this cemetery? ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 8:29 PM Subject: [ERATH] Albritton First, this is definitely the most endearing, entertaining and informative of all the mail lists (and there are many) in which I partake. Second, to those of you I've not had the pleasure of meetingâ?"â?"greetings. I am Dana Stripling, granddaughter to Melvin Durward Barbee, of the Barbee and Looney lines in Erath County. The lil' Jones-Barbee cabin which was moved into downtown Dublin belonged to my ancestors. Third, from a completely different side of the family, some of my Louisiana/Georgia/North Carolina family ended up in Dublin and Stephenville. specifically, my great, great, great Aunt, Harriet Louisa ALBRITTON, and Terrell BRYAN married in Bienville Parish, LA on 20 Feb 1855. They were in Erath County for a while after their marriage. Harriet and Terrell lived in Stephenville, and their son, Redic Bryan, moved to Dublin around 1898 or 1899. I was wondering if anyone had any information on this line? Fourth, ironically, before we even knew of Harriet's existence (a product of some GenForum diggins), my grandmother, Laura Irene ALBRITTON, met and married Durward in the very, very small town of Campti Louisiana. Durward brought her back to Dublin. Odd that both ALBRITTONS would end up back in Erath County. Odder still, I thought -- what was my grandfather (some 20 years old at the time) doing in Campti, of all places, selling mules? He must have had some connection to Louisiana. and, indeed, in the Parish in which Campti is placed and surrounding areas, i have found many a BARBEE in the cemeteries and records. but i have not yet made the connection. but, it certainly seems in all this research, particularly back in the early and mid 1800s -- family followed family. that there is generally some familial connection whenever a relative packed up and moved or visited somewhere else. does anyone have any information that might link NW Louisiana to Dublin and Stephenville? Many thanks for your indulgence in my rambling. Keep the wonderful tales coming. Best regards. Dana Stripling Researching: ALBRITTON, BARBEE, BERRY, BRETT, BURLESON, CARR, DEBLIEUX, FREEMAN, HALSELL, HART, HICKS, HOWARD, KINGSBURY, LOONEY, MCDANIEL, MURPHY, NEWMAN, PENICK, SANDEL, SIMMONS, STEPHENSON, STRIPLING, SULLIVAN, VAN HOOSE, WHITE ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== --- Author Retains Copyright --- -- Copyright 2002 Author -- All Rights Reserved Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

I am glad I could help. There is also an Upper Greens Creek Cemetery. My g aunt died in Harbin in 1913 and she is buried in Upper Greens Creek. I have not had the pleasure of visiting this cemetery so I can't tell you anything about it. And I do not find a listing. But it is a possibility. Good luck. Charlotte ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Van Wyk" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [ERATH] Cemetery around Harbin...Lookup Please > This is my great uncle. Thank you so much. > Sandra > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "CR" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 6:30 AM > Subject: Re: [ERATH] Cemetery around Harbin...Lookup Please > > > > Hi, Sandra. I just looked at the listing of the Lower Greens Creek > Cemetery > > in Erath Cnty and found J. W. Carter b. Oct. ?, 1879 d. Jun ?, 1938. These > > years are off by 1 but sounds promising. Another Carter listed is Mildred > W. > > Carter b. Mar. 23, 1918 d. June 17, 1950. I found these at > > www.rootsweb.com/~txerath/logrncrk.txt I hope that works and I hope this > > helps. > > > > Charlotte > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sandra Van Wyk" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 10:38 PM > > Subject: [ERATH] Cemetery around Harbin...Lookup Please > > > > > > > My great uncle and aunt raised their four children around Harbin in > Erath > > > County. It is said that they are buried at the cemetery around Harbin. > > What > > > cemeteries are near Harbin? Can someone look for the following family. > > > > > > Joseph Willis Carter, > > > b. Oct 1878 > > > d. June 30, 1939 > > > > > > Hattie Bell Owen Carter > > > b. 1884 > > > d. ??? > > > > > > George Elmore Carter > > > b. around 1904-05 > > > d. ??? > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > Sandra Van Wyk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > > > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > > > -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > > > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > > > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > > -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

On page 10A of the 1900 Census, there is a William McElroy listed as the brother-in-law to William R. O'Neal. My Best, Randy Haynes ----- Original Message ----- From: "CR" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 4:29 AM Subject: Re: [ERATH] WELCH, COOR, ETC. FAMILIES OF ERATH CNTY > Hi, Dortha, I will be glad to keep an eye out for your McElroys. I have a > picture of John Young and Annie McLeod Welch with their living children > standing on the front porch of a home in Erath Cnty. The picture was taken > about 1914. I am hoping to find where this house was located. I will look > for McElroy while searching. > > Charlotte > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dortha F. Greenlee" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 10:09 PM > Subject: Re: [ERATH] WELCH, COOR, ETC. FAMILIES OF ERATH CNTY > > > > CR, I don't recognize any of your names, sorry. However, my grandparents > > lived in that area and my grandmother died in 1895 and was buried at > > Huckaby. They were Jacob and Sarah Elizabeth McElroy. If you come across > > their name as being neighbors or on land deeds, etc. please let me know. > > > > Dortha McElroy Greenlee > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "CR" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 2:46 PM > > Subject: [ERATH] WELCH, COOR, ETC. FAMILIES OF ERATH CNTY > > > > > > > My ancestors moved to Erath Cnty about 1870 from Copiah Cnty, MS. They > > were > > > Dempsey Perry & Ann Coor WELCH. Dempsey Perry & Ann were my gg > > grandparents. > > > Their son, John Young WELCH, was my g grandfather and he married > Margaret > > > Annie MCLEOD in Erath Cnty. Their son and my grandfather, James Monroe > > "Jim" > > > WELCH, was born in Huckabay in 1897. He had siblings being born in > > Huckabay > > > & Harbin. Dempsey Perry & Ann WELCH both died in 1902 and are buried in > > the > > > Huckabay Cemetery which I have been fortunate to visit. A daughter and > son > > > in law are also buried there. Her name is Leona PIPES. I have more > > > information but just wondering if anyone recognizes any of these names. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > > > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > > > -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > > > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > > > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > > -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >

This is my great uncle. Thank you so much. Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "CR" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 6:30 AM Subject: Re: [ERATH] Cemetery around Harbin...Lookup Please > Hi, Sandra. I just looked at the listing of the Lower Greens Creek Cemetery > in Erath Cnty and found J. W. Carter b. Oct. ?, 1879 d. Jun ?, 1938. These > years are off by 1 but sounds promising. Another Carter listed is Mildred W. > Carter b. Mar. 23, 1918 d. June 17, 1950. I found these at > www.rootsweb.com/~txerath/logrncrk.txt I hope that works and I hope this > helps. > > Charlotte > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sandra Van Wyk" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 10:38 PM > Subject: [ERATH] Cemetery around Harbin...Lookup Please > > > > My great uncle and aunt raised their four children around Harbin in Erath > > County. It is said that they are buried at the cemetery around Harbin. > What > > cemeteries are near Harbin? Can someone look for the following family. > > > > Joseph Willis Carter, > > b. Oct 1878 > > d. June 30, 1939 > > > > Hattie Bell Owen Carter > > b. 1884 > > d. ??? > > > > George Elmore Carter > > b. around 1904-05 > > d. ??? > > > > Thanks in advance > > Sandra Van Wyk > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > > -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

Hi, Sandra. I just looked at the listing of the Lower Greens Creek Cemetery in Erath Cnty and found J. W. Carter b. Oct. ?, 1879 d. Jun ?, 1938. These years are off by 1 but sounds promising. Another Carter listed is Mildred W. Carter b. Mar. 23, 1918 d. June 17, 1950. I found these at www.rootsweb.com/~txerath/logrncrk.txt I hope that works and I hope this helps. Charlotte ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Van Wyk" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 10:38 PM Subject: [ERATH] Cemetery around Harbin...Lookup Please > My great uncle and aunt raised their four children around Harbin in Erath > County. It is said that they are buried at the cemetery around Harbin. What > cemeteries are near Harbin? Can someone look for the following family. > > Joseph Willis Carter, > b. Oct 1878 > d. June 30, 1939 > > Hattie Bell Owen Carter > b. 1884 > d. ??? > > George Elmore Carter > b. around 1904-05 > d. ??? > > Thanks in advance > Sandra Van Wyk > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > >

Hi, Dortha, I will be glad to keep an eye out for your McElroys. I have a picture of John Young and Annie McLeod Welch with their living children standing on the front porch of a home in Erath Cnty. The picture was taken about 1914. I am hoping to find where this house was located. I will look for McElroy while searching. Charlotte ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dortha F. Greenlee" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [ERATH] WELCH, COOR, ETC. FAMILIES OF ERATH CNTY > CR, I don't recognize any of your names, sorry. However, my grandparents > lived in that area and my grandmother died in 1895 and was buried at > Huckaby. They were Jacob and Sarah Elizabeth McElroy. If you come across > their name as being neighbors or on land deeds, etc. please let me know. > > Dortha McElroy Greenlee > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "CR" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 2:46 PM > Subject: [ERATH] WELCH, COOR, ETC. FAMILIES OF ERATH CNTY > > > > My ancestors moved to Erath Cnty about 1870 from Copiah Cnty, MS. They > were > > Dempsey Perry & Ann Coor WELCH. Dempsey Perry & Ann were my gg > grandparents. > > Their son, John Young WELCH, was my g grandfather and he married Margaret > > Annie MCLEOD in Erath Cnty. Their son and my grandfather, James Monroe > "Jim" > > WELCH, was born in Huckabay in 1897. He had siblings being born in > Huckabay > > & Harbin. Dempsey Perry & Ann WELCH both died in 1902 and are buried in > the > > Huckabay Cemetery which I have been fortunate to visit. A daughter and son > > in law are also buried there. Her name is Leona PIPES. I have more > > information but just wondering if anyone recognizes any of these names. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > > -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

My great uncle and aunt raised their four children around Harbin in Erath County. It is said that they are buried at the cemetery around Harbin. What cemeteries are near Harbin? Can someone look for the following family. Joseph Willis Carter, b. Oct 1878 d. June 30, 1939 Hattie Bell Owen Carter b. 1884 d. ??? George Elmore Carter b. around 1904-05 d. ??? Thanks in advance Sandra Van Wyk

Hi, David, the Indonesian Volcano is listed as Krakatoa, which some claim they could hear it but had to read newspapers to realize what the low rumble was. This is from Dan Young's Historical calendars and the calendars have an exhaustive bibliography on the back fly leaf. I think I mispelled it first time. At any rate, this dust and ash circled the earth in jet streams 3 and 1/2 years. The Eruption in 1883 threw solid debris from Indonia to Madagascar. Stage drivers in Central Texas reported same npoise in Stephenville as in many Texas towns when Krakatoa erupted. Some claim this caused crop failures from 1884-1887 in Southern United States which started the economic Depression- Panic of 1893 (Or was it 1887?)Seems , in my memory of the related facts that the 1887 panic was the start of a downhill Depression slide , ending in 1893. This is in College history books and Encyclopedias . This panic caused a lot of banks to fail and farmers to loose land. Naturally, Democrats and Republicans blamed it on each other, . Sometimes Politicians do not realize Mother Nature has the last say, in spite of their efforts, not always because of them. Take care, Charles A. Wyly On Sun, 11 May 2003 20:10:31 -0700 David Gilliam <[email protected]> writes: > Hello again Mr. Wyly, > > It is of great interest to me--the stories of Mingus and Thurber. > My great > grandfather Ferd Hill had a store in Thurber during the boom years I > would > say possibly the 20's. He later lived in Mingus and had a dairy > there and > had 80 acres of pecans. I posted to the Rootsweb Palo Pinto site > stories > that my dad, Everett Jones told about his life in the Mingus area > and things > that he remembered happening. I believe the webmaster posted them > under > Ferdinand Hammond Hill. The night before my dad died, he began > telling > stories as he remembered them the more he talked the more I took > notes. No > one knew that his last remembrances would be about Mingus and some > of the > folks there. > > > His Uncle Tom Boggus, married Nell Hill one of Ferd Hill's > daughters. Uncle > Tom was a bootlegger but also was elected to public office in either > Mingus > or Strawn. > > If any other of you folks in and around the Mingus, Thurber area > know or > have heard of any stories about the life there I would love to add > more to > my Mingus notes. > > Sincerely, > Jean > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Charles A. Wyly <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 7:25 AM > Subject: [ERATH] Fw: Mail Not Delivered > > > > Hi, > > Apparently Tom's box is full again. Perhaps he will see it here. > My E > > mail company will store messages for a few days- short term. have > that > > problem too sometimes and have to file or delete like Crazy- > nothing for > > a few days then 15 to 20 in one day. > > > > In addition to Txerath news in letter below, Read all Historical > Markers > > in Stephenville listed on a Texas list. The private non charterred > bank > > of Cage and Crow on Northwest corner of Stephenville was 2 story. > A > > marker there stated that an italian Opera House was in the second > floor > > of the bamnk and many Italian and other European miners came to > the > > Stephenville Cage and Crow Opera house over the bank. Not sure, > but I > > think this was when Stephenville had open saloons instead of > hiding > > behind the skirts of private Clubs of today. Bet that has cut in > on the > > Mingus and Glen Rose trips . Also read the Erath County Historical > > calendars published by Dan Young - Brenda Lamb assisted on some of > them. > > ( Historic calendars are old calendars- Historical calendars are > recent > > printing from collection of Historic events day by day). > Stephenville > > Century or 20 th Century club still publishes new calendars of > historic > > events., different each year. > > > > I never went to Mingus except passing through to other towns. A > one time > > the Horseshoe shaped bar there, run by some Italians at one time, > was the > > largest bar between Fort Worth and El Paso. , or so the Big Boys > said. > > Uncle Lewis Wyly and dad hauled Thurber Bricks from the Baptist > Church, > > 1930's. Building for foundations of Chicken houses and a milk > shed on > > same land Selden ( Hatchett related) Cemetery is on. The old > Bandstand > > from Thurber was moved to Hwy 6 road to Duffau , back to Mingus in > the > > last few years. . It was a "Round" or Hexagonal shape- and was the > home > > of 2 brothers who came to Bosque Valley League adult Baseball > games at > > Johnsville and Iredell in a Model T open top touring Car. They > traded > > even for a new Ford in Cleburne,as they said it was cooler for > their > > hounds when they attended Hunting dog shows. > > > > The Historical Calendars (with references)state that when > karankawa > > Volcano erupted in Indonesia, people in Stephenville, Mineral > Wells and > > Eastland heard a slow low rumble- Stage drivers said it was > reported in > > all towns they stopped in. The ash circulated the globe 3 & 1/2 > times. > > Sound Ridicilious? For the second time since 1989, the Mexican > farmers in > > Drouth stricken Central American countries are doing their annual > field > > burn offs to plow for the next crop in Jungle clearings and the > fires are > > out of hand. Yesterday in area from Austin to past Waco we did not > see > > the sun on a clear day, because of the smoke- sometimes there was > a light > > spot in the haxe, but no full sun. This blows across the Gulf into > > Houston- corpus area or comes across the Rio Grande, depending on > Jet > > stream fluctuations.In 1988, it reached Lubbock. If your friends > are > > strange lately, maybe the smoke has a little Marijuana in it. > Naw, it's > > just the lack of normal sunlight. > > > > Take care, > > Charles A. Wyly > > > > --------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Date: 11 May 2003 03:27:43 -0000 > > Subject: Mail Not Delivered > > From: "Charles A. Wyly" <[email protected]> > > > > Tom, > > read your Thurber History again. TP Coal and Oil had recruited > short men > > all over Europe for digging the coal from veins in some mines, > that a 6 > > foot man would have to lay on his side and kneel or crawl in. The > Company > > had separate Catholic Churches for the Irish in one group and > Czechs > > and Italians in the other, and they were assigned as groups to > some > > jobs.They had some differences in holidays and famil;y life. The > word > > Mingus is Italian. I have talked to elderly Czech men in West, > Texas , > > McLennan County who said they were born in either Mingus or > Newcastle > > Mine town near Graham. Oklahoma Coal Miners in Yukon, Okla, and in > > another town east of OKC towards Tahlequah also had similar > history of > > European Coal miners- but only 2 restaurants in Okla, still make > good > > Kolaches and Koblisneik and Strudle . > > > > Some in the edge of Eastland and Erath County who now own land > had > > Italian roots. They have posted to this site a few years ago. > Should be > > in Archives of Txerath or Southern Trails. Wendell Montgomery of > West > > Pharmacy and Bakery died last month. he was Catholic and had some > Erath > > County connections- and knew the history of the Dr. Wylie of > Bosque > > County, as Wendell 's dad had bought Dr. Wylie's home and clinic- > 2 story > > frame, on hill behind West Dairy Queen.Wendell's 35 women and > Co-op > > school kids supplied Czech food for Ennis Polka Festival every > year. > > > > When I was in the West Kiwanis Club and teaching there, Vince > Incardona , > > deputy, and later County Commisioner was also a member. He was > born in > > Marlin. One of the West Lumber Tuckers was kidding him just before > > Westfest as to why he spoke Czech and Vince laughed and said > speaking > > Czech was desireable for an Italian in Falls County. One black > man I > > taught with said he had bought land from a white farmer who > carried his > > own note and he preferred to sell to him than one of the Italians > who > > wanted it. Back then West and Cameron Churches of Unity of the > Brethern > > ( Moravian) had Czech language preaching by Rev. Bezdek of West.On > other > > Sundays all services were in English (1960's) They were similar to > Modern > > Menninites or conservative Baptists.One of these churches south > of Texas > > A&M on Hwy 6 is unusually beauriful . > > > > 2 blocks towards the railroad in West is the Aderholdt Funeral > Home- and > > was run by Al Payne for many years- a kin. Dr. Aderholdt had > practiced > > medicine in Erath County before moving to West. Could he have been > Czech > > or Italian?Sounds more Swiss or Moravian. His granddaughter in > 1998 was > > Chief administrator of Ridgecrest Retirement Village on south side > of > > Lake Waco- on Hwy 6 in Woodway, near Bosque Blvd > > > > I suppose you know about the Mexican group in Falls county who > were > > Charcoal burners with a big pit- and sold the charcoal to some > > Wholesaler. Also, the village around the Falls County gravel > works. I > > would have had to recruit Adult Ed students from there had I > taken the > > job, after retirement, with headquarters in old Elm Mott School > (near > > Wao) for > > several countiues. Sounded like too much time for the pay. > > > > For a starter,check Google for the San Francisco Library daily > newspapers > > of japanese and Italians who were relocated from the West Coast > when WW2 > > started. New York Library or Smithsonian should have this on line > for > > East Coast. > > Same happened on the East Coast- notsure about Gulf of Mexico. > Some went > > to kansas on a 2 week notice with Military Escort guards. . My > present > > neighbor - Hoshizaki, wasfirst generation American born and left > San > > Francisco area for Louisville, Ky resetlement area- old Barracks > and > > cottages. he attended Baptist > > Seminary in Louisbille and becamea Japanese Missionary to Japan. > His son > > is now involved in English- Japqnese Computer programs and spends > muv=ch > > of his time there. He is a Baylor Grad. > > > > Those in present Mexia State School buildings in WW2, and those > in > > Cleburne were German Prisoners of War, not relocated civilians. In > > Cleburne they lived under the North Football bleachers on U.S. > 67,built > > in 1930's by WPA, and openings were coverred with tarps. > > > > Take care, > > Charles A. Wyly > > > > t, 10 May 2003 08:30:40 +0000 "Tom Rogers" <[email protected]> > > writes: > > > Hi, Charles, > > > I just now read your interesting letter of Apr. 6 about > > > Italians in > > > Marlin and Erath Co. I am not on the Erath mailing list any more > > > because my > > > inbox filled up and too many messages bounced. > > > I had no family in Marlin after 1902, and my father never > > > mentioned any > > > Italians there. In fact, the only Marlin family names I recall > are > > > Falconer > > > (Bolivar and Theodore), Barton (Harry), and King (Conway). > > > I think one of the Bartons originated Barton's Dyanshine. > Another > > > started an > > > oil company in SW Arkansas. > > > I never knew any Italians in Erath County. I knew one > Mexican > > > family > > > (Lozano), one Jewish family (Novit, Siegel, Hoffman), and one > Irish > > > family > > > (D.W. Sheehan). > > > Tom Rogers > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > > -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

CR, I don't recognize any of your names, sorry. However, my grandparents lived in that area and my grandmother died in 1895 and was buried at Huckaby. They were Jacob and Sarah Elizabeth McElroy. If you come across their name as being neighbors or on land deeds, etc. please let me know. Dortha McElroy Greenlee ----- Original Message ----- From: "CR" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 2:46 PM Subject: [ERATH] WELCH, COOR, ETC. FAMILIES OF ERATH CNTY > My ancestors moved to Erath Cnty about 1870 from Copiah Cnty, MS. They were > Dempsey Perry & Ann Coor WELCH. Dempsey Perry & Ann were my gg grandparents. > Their son, John Young WELCH, was my g grandfather and he married Margaret > Annie MCLEOD in Erath Cnty. Their son and my grandfather, James Monroe "Jim" > WELCH, was born in Huckabay in 1897. He had siblings being born in Huckabay > & Harbin. Dempsey Perry & Ann WELCH both died in 1902 and are buried in the > Huckabay Cemetery which I have been fortunate to visit. A daughter and son > in law are also buried there. Her name is Leona PIPES. I have more > information but just wondering if anyone recognizes any of these names. > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

My ancestors moved to Erath Cnty about 1870 from Copiah Cnty, MS. They were Dempsey Perry & Ann Coor WELCH. Dempsey Perry & Ann were my gg grandparents. Their son, John Young WELCH, was my g grandfather and he married Margaret Annie MCLEOD in Erath Cnty. Their son and my grandfather, James Monroe "Jim" WELCH, was born in Huckabay in 1897. He had siblings being born in Huckabay & Harbin. Dempsey Perry & Ann WELCH both died in 1902 and are buried in the Huckabay Cemetery which I have been fortunate to visit. A daughter and son in law are also buried there. Her name is Leona PIPES. I have more information but just wondering if anyone recognizes any of these names.

Thank you. A cousin has talked with her . We now know that Wm's parents was George W Shipman and Matilda Brown.Roy Shipman has George listed as the som of Daniel Shipman and Zilpha Macon which is from her line.But all the proof I have seen was a census report from the early 1800's.So that is wgere we are on my Shipman line. Michaellann

Her name is Nancy Hengst. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Shipman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [ERATH] Fw: Mail Not Delivered > Michaellan - Contant the Hamilton Genealogy Library--I can't thing of their > leader's name, but she is there most every day. Talk to her about your > Shipmans. Her mom was a Shipman and she has spent a lot of time trying to > connect the assorted lines. > Cindy Shipman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 1:46 AM > Subject: Re: [ERATH] Fw: Mail Not Delivered > > > > I haven't connected my Shipman's to the Chalk Mt but I assume that they > are > > connected since they came from MO. My Shipman in Erath Co. were William > > "Beall Shipman and Lucinda Francis Brown Shipman married in Phelps or > Pulaski > > Co... MO abt 1865 and moved to Erath in abt 1875 where their son, Samuel > Levi > > was working for Mason Grigsby Jones and later married in daughter, Rachel > > Martha in Erath Co on 23 July 1891. Mason donated the land for the Jones > > Cemetery also known as the Beth Haven Cemetery. I have a newspaper > article > > where Mason son, Mason Overstreet "Street" and his wife Mollie Sechrist > Jones > > announcing their 75th wedding anniversary. > > > > Michaellann > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > > -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

Michaellan - Contant the Hamilton Genealogy Library--I can't thing of their leader's name, but she is there most every day. Talk to her about your Shipmans. Her mom was a Shipman and she has spent a lot of time trying to connect the assorted lines. Cindy Shipman ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 1:46 AM Subject: Re: [ERATH] Fw: Mail Not Delivered > I haven't connected my Shipman's to the Chalk Mt but I assume that they are > connected since they came from MO. My Shipman in Erath Co. were William > "Beall Shipman and Lucinda Francis Brown Shipman married in Phelps or Pulaski > Co... MO abt 1865 and moved to Erath in abt 1875 where their son, Samuel Levi > was working for Mason Grigsby Jones and later married in daughter, Rachel > Martha in Erath Co on 23 July 1891. Mason donated the land for the Jones > Cemetery also known as the Beth Haven Cemetery. I have a newspaper article > where Mason son, Mason Overstreet "Street" and his wife Mollie Sechrist Jones > announcing their 75th wedding anniversary. > > Michaellann > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

I haven't connected my Shipman's to the Chalk Mt but I assume that they are connected since they came from MO. My Shipman in Erath Co. were William "Beall Shipman and Lucinda Francis Brown Shipman married in Phelps or Pulaski Co... MO abt 1865 and moved to Erath in abt 1875 where their son, Samuel Levi was working for Mason Grigsby Jones and later married in daughter, Rachel Martha in Erath Co on 23 July 1891. Mason donated the land for the Jones Cemetery also known as the Beth Haven Cemetery. I have a newspaper article where Mason son, Mason Overstreet "Street" and his wife Mollie Sechrist Jones announcing their 75th wedding anniversary. Michaellann

Hi, Mom had Jones cousins in Huckaby, releated to Stone, Carey, Copeland, Hipp, and/or Ramage, all from Arkansas. Small World.So far no Akbars, but would not be a great shock . Also, Roy Shipman lived between Chalk Mountainand Walnut Springs, near Charles Pettit's Flat Top (Mountain) Ranch I was also in the Army, 1950-52 with a giant young man named Mullins from Central Texas. charles Wyly, On Sun, 11 May 2003 20:36:47 -0700 [email protected] writes: > Jean, > > Is your Jones descendants from Mason Grigsby Jones of the Erath Co?. > If so > please contact me. > > Thank you. > Michaellann Shipman Mullins > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

Hi, There was a Baptist pastor at Selden, probably bivocational back then, who was named Brother Gillam. He performed the wedding for my grandparents Henry and Ida Kathryn Moxley Wyly, appx. 1900, then for my parents, Eddie and Emma Carey Wyly about 1925 or 1926. He had a habit of having Sunday dinner with a family when a wedding was planned, then carefully "lost" a silver dollar there. That night at Church he would announce that he lost a Silver dollar with certain date and marking and would perform a wedding for anyone who found it. Naturally, Mom had "found " it. Br. Gilliam's grandson was Ben Jack Cage of Cage and Crow and Trammell banking families. Ben Wyly, Jr. age 17 had deliverred 3000 head of Sheep from Atlanta, Georgia to to San Angelo appx. 1890, age 17- Engilsh Sheep from Atlanta, Ga. to San Angelo, for ranges toward Balmoreah.These sheep were deliverred to Trammel and Crow of San Angelo and Stephenville. part payment was in a Selden, Texas Ranch, a store on Stephenville Square, and some Stephenville homes owned by Trammel or Crow families. My sister in law Leota Narrell or Norrill of Van, Texas now and Born in Ropesville, Texs said her grandad was also a Br. Gilliam or Gillum. About 5 years ago they held their Gillum Reunion in the Fort Worth Sportsman Club area at Thurber. One year this family met at Lake Cisco or Ranger. You mentioned the Hills. Some Hills lived in Itasca- another family in Walnut Springs, Texas and one had a farm in Chalk Mountain. He married a Hale if I remember right. He used to combine dad's Vetch and Wheat mix with a very old Regular Farmall and Allis Chalmers Combine. I attend church with a John Hill , a Gideon, formerly from Louisiana. Also, there used to be a Mr. Boggus in 1940-50's who had a small farm or large garden, usually wore Blue overalls, and drove a wagon with 2 Mules hauling a Walking plow to plow gardens for Stephenville City dwellers. Contact Tarleton State University in person or by computer. They are building a Thurber Museum. Have also bought a University in Killeen which carries Tarleton name, and McClennan Community College and Texas \State Technical College in Waco both have Tarleton teachers on campus to complete B.S. Degrees without leaving Waco. You can now finish Tarleton or Univ. of Texas in Waco without the expense of Baylor. Hill College , Hillsboro, has had a Cleburne Campus for several years. Why don't some of us get together and each write a chapter on our Thurber memories, personal and family hearsay? I know Morings, Wylys, and Tacketts all worked at Thurber at one time or another. Take care, Charles A. Wyly On Sun, 11 May 2003 20:10:31 -0700 David Gilliam <[email protected]> writes: > Hello again Mr. Wyly, > > It is of great interest to me--the stories of Mingus and Thurber. > My great > grandfather Ferd Hill had a store in Thurber during the boom years I > would > say possibly the 20's. He later lived in Mingus and had a dairy > there and > had 80 acres of pecans. I posted to the Rootsweb Palo Pinto site > stories > that my dad, Everett Jones told about his life in the Mingus area > and things > that he remembered happening. I believe the webmaster posted them > under > Ferdinand Hammond Hill. The night before my dad died, he began > telling > stories as he remembered them the more he talked the more I took > notes. No > one knew that his last remembrances would be about Mingus and some > of the > folks there. > > > His Uncle Tom Boggus, married Nell Hill one of Ferd Hill's > daughters. Uncle > Tom was a bootlegger but also was elected to public office in either > Mingus > or Strawn. > > If any other of you folks in and around the Mingus, Thurber area > know or > have heard of any stories about the life there I would love to add > more to > my Mingus notes. > > Sincerely, > Jean > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Charles A. Wyly <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 7:25 AM > Subject: [ERATH] Fw: Mail Not Delivered > > > > Hi, > > Apparently Tom's box is full again. Perhaps he will see it here. > My E > > mail company will store messages for a few days- short term. have > that > > problem too sometimes and have to file or delete like Crazy- > nothing for > > a few days then 15 to 20 in one day. > > > > In addition to Txerath news in letter below, Read all Historical > Markers > > in Stephenville listed on a Texas list. The private non charterred > bank > > of Cage and Crow on Northwest corner of Stephenville was 2 story. > A > > marker there stated that an italian Opera House was in the second > floor > > of the bamnk and many Italian and other European miners came to > the > > Stephenville Cage and Crow Opera house over the bank. Not sure, > but I > > think this was when Stephenville had open saloons instead of > hiding > > behind the skirts of private Clubs of today. Bet that has cut in > on the > > Mingus and Glen Rose trips . Also read the Erath County Historical > > calendars published by Dan Young - Brenda Lamb assisted on some of > them. > > ( Historic calendars are old calendars- Historical calendars are > recent > > printing from collection of Historic events day by day). > Stephenville > > Century or 20 th Century club still publishes new calendars of > historic > > events., different each year. > > > > I never went to Mingus except passing through to other towns. A > one time > > the Horseshoe shaped bar there, run by some Italians at one time, > was the > > largest bar between Fort Worth and El Paso. , or so the Big Boys > said. > > Uncle Lewis Wyly and dad hauled Thurber Bricks from the Baptist > Church, > > 1930's. Building for foundations of Chicken houses and a milk > shed on > > same land Selden ( Hatchett related) Cemetery is on. The old > Bandstand > > from Thurber was moved to Hwy 6 road to Duffau , back to Mingus in > the > > last few years. . It was a "Round" or Hexagonal shape- and was the > home > > of 2 brothers who came to Bosque Valley League adult Baseball > games at > > Johnsville and Iredell in a Model T open top touring Car. They > traded > > even for a new Ford in Cleburne,as they said it was cooler for > their > > hounds when they attended Hunting dog shows. > > > > The Historical Calendars (with references)state that when > karankawa > > Volcano erupted in Indonesia, people in Stephenville, Mineral > Wells and > > Eastland heard a slow low rumble- Stage drivers said it was > reported in > > all towns they stopped in. The ash circulated the globe 3 & 1/2 > times. > > Sound Ridicilious? For the second time since 1989, the Mexican > farmers in > > Drouth stricken Central American countries are doing their annual > field > > burn offs to plow for the next crop in Jungle clearings and the > fires are > > out of hand. Yesterday in area from Austin to past Waco we did not > see > > the sun on a clear day, because of the smoke- sometimes there was > a light > > spot in the haxe, but no full sun. This blows across the Gulf into > > Houston- corpus area or comes across the Rio Grande, depending on > Jet > > stream fluctuations.In 1988, it reached Lubbock. If your friends > are > > strange lately, maybe the smoke has a little Marijuana in it. > Naw, it's > > just the lack of normal sunlight. > > > > Take care, > > Charles A. Wyly > > > > --------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Date: 11 May 2003 03:27:43 -0000 > > Subject: Mail Not Delivered > > From: "Charles A. Wyly" <[email protected]> > > > > Tom, > > read your Thurber History again. TP Coal and Oil had recruited > short men > > all over Europe for digging the coal from veins in some mines, > that a 6 > > foot man would have to lay on his side and kneel or crawl in. The > Company > > had separate Catholic Churches for the Irish in one group and > Czechs > > and Italians in the other, and they were assigned as groups to > some > > jobs.They had some differences in holidays and famil;y life. The > word > > Mingus is Italian. I have talked to elderly Czech men in West, > Texas , > > McLennan County who said they were born in either Mingus or > Newcastle > > Mine town near Graham. Oklahoma Coal Miners in Yukon, Okla, and in > > another town east of OKC towards Tahlequah also had similar > history of > > European Coal miners- but only 2 restaurants in Okla, still make > good > > Kolaches and Koblisneik and Strudle . > > > > Some in the edge of Eastland and Erath County who now own land > had > > Italian roots. They have posted to this site a few years ago. > Should be > > in Archives of Txerath or Southern Trails. Wendell Montgomery of > West > > Pharmacy and Bakery died last month. he was Catholic and had some > Erath > > County connections- and knew the history of the Dr. Wylie of > Bosque > > County, as Wendell 's dad had bought Dr. Wylie's home and clinic- > 2 story > > frame, on hill behind West Dairy Queen.Wendell's 35 women and > Co-op > > school kids supplied Czech food for Ennis Polka Festival every > year. > > > > When I was in the West Kiwanis Club and teaching there, Vince > Incardona , > > deputy, and later County Commisioner was also a member. He was > born in > > Marlin. One of the West Lumber Tuckers was kidding him just before > > Westfest as to why he spoke Czech and Vince laughed and said > speaking > > Czech was desireable for an Italian in Falls County. One black > man I > > taught with said he had bought land from a white farmer who > carried his > > own note and he preferred to sell to him than one of the Italians > who > > wanted it. Back then West and Cameron Churches of Unity of the > Brethern > > ( Moravian) had Czech language preaching by Rev. Bezdek of West.On > other > > Sundays all services were in English (1960's) They were similar to > Modern > > Menninites or conservative Baptists.One of these churches south > of Texas > > A&M on Hwy 6 is unusually beauriful . > > > > 2 blocks towards the railroad in West is the Aderholdt Funeral > Home- and > > was run by Al Payne for many years- a kin. Dr. Aderholdt had > practiced > > medicine in Erath County before moving to West. Could he have been > Czech > > or Italian?Sounds more Swiss or Moravian. His granddaughter in > 1998 was > > Chief administrator of Ridgecrest Retirement Village on south side > of > > Lake Waco- on Hwy 6 in Woodway, near Bosque Blvd > > > > I suppose you know about the Mexican group in Falls county who > were > > Charcoal burners with a big pit- and sold the charcoal to some > > Wholesaler. Also, the village around the Falls County gravel > works. I > > would have had to recruit Adult Ed students from there had I > taken the > > job, after retirement, with headquarters in old Elm Mott School > (near > > Wao) for > > several countiues. Sounded like too much time for the pay. > > > > For a starter,check Google for the San Francisco Library daily > newspapers > > of japanese and Italians who were relocated from the West Coast > when WW2 > > started. New York Library or Smithsonian should have this on line > for > > East Coast. > > Same happened on the East Coast- notsure about Gulf of Mexico. > Some went > > to kansas on a 2 week notice with Military Escort guards. . My > present > > neighbor - Hoshizaki, wasfirst generation American born and left > San > > Francisco area for Louisville, Ky resetlement area- old Barracks > and > > cottages. he attended Baptist > > Seminary in Louisbille and becamea Japanese Missionary to Japan. > His son > > is now involved in English- Japqnese Computer programs and spends > muv=ch > > of his time there. He is a Baylor Grad. > > > > Those in present Mexia State School buildings in WW2, and those > in > > Cleburne were German Prisoners of War, not relocated civilians. In > > Cleburne they lived under the North Football bleachers on U.S. > 67,built > > in 1930's by WPA, and openings were coverred with tarps. > > > > Take care, > > Charles A. Wyly > > > > t, 10 May 2003 08:30:40 +0000 "Tom Rogers" <[email protected]> > > writes: > > > Hi, Charles, > > > I just now read your interesting letter of Apr. 6 about > > > Italians in > > > Marlin and Erath Co. I am not on the Erath mailing list any more > > > because my > > > inbox filled up and too many messages bounced. > > > I had no family in Marlin after 1902, and my father never > > > mentioned any > > > Italians there. In fact, the only Marlin family names I recall > are > > > Falconer > > > (Bolivar and Theodore), Barton (Harry), and King (Conway). > > > I think one of the Bartons originated Barton's Dyanshine. > Another > > > started an > > > oil company in SW Arkansas. > > > I never knew any Italians in Erath County. I knew one > Mexican > > > family > > > (Lozano), one Jewish family (Novit, Siegel, Hoffman), and one > Irish > > > family > > > (D.W. Sheehan). > > > Tom Rogers > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > > -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

I will check that out. Thank you, Joyce

There is still an Estes family in Comanche, Texas ( or was the last I heard), you might check long distance informaiton. They were an older couple and may not be on the internet. Very nice friendly people. Alice Moore

Jean, Is your Jones descendants from Mason Grigsby Jones of the Erath Co?. If so please contact me. Thank you. Michaellann Shipman Mullins