Ok so HWY 67 had a different path than the one now. McGee is kin to us and so are the Laney's. Great stories. I would love to see the cave and the Indian graves. I am going to drive out there and take another look. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles A. Wyly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [ERATH] Chalk Mountain > Hi, > as I understand it from H. Grady Perry's book GRAND OLE ERATH- the > Story of a Cross Timbers County, the main street of old Chalk Mountain > was the old dirt Hwy 67, which I was born on in Johnsville, Grandad Henry > Wyly bought some land from Reed Cox family in 1920's and Grandad Henry > Carey's brother George Carey bought the adjoining land between us and > the Duffau Creek branch near the Selden Hatchett Cemetery. Some of the > Bordner- Hatchett- Hammic connections are buried in Selden Cemetery, not > Chalk Mountain. One Anderson is also there. > \ > Bordners were Bortner in Germany and, like Riggs men, came from Illinois > and points east to the area. > > Old Dirt Hwy 67 was very crooked- I and Truett Carey and Williams and > Carver and Wright kids and some Coxes and Pitman and McGee and Scotts > and Mills and Little kids and Dr. Morris Johnson walked the old Hwy > past the Johnsville Church and post office and turned off to right to > old location of Johnsville School, before it became the main building of > 3 way school on new Hwy 67. The present paved U.S. 67 was being built > when I was born. Dad went for a Doctor through the construction rather > than follow the crooked old dirt U.S. 67 to old Valley Grove area, then > into Stephenville. One bridge was out near Cedar Point road- graded but > not finished, and it was cold and muddy, so dad jumpped the ditch in his > Model T pickup.I beat the Doctor there, and was kept warm on the south > side of the wood stove in a quilt and orange crate. > > The open road from Chalk Mountain to Walnut Springs was the last open > road before dropping off the steep hill into Somerville County. It past > the park and picnic area of 1900 at Panther Cave, and Odom Chapel was > on the other side of the road. Roy Fallin may have paved Erath portion of > the road. Emerson Rhodeslived on the road near the cave where one of the > Stephen brothers lived and wife had twins in the cave while he freighted > by Ox Cart from Bellmead to Fort Graham and Foprt Griffin. Stephenville > was named for a Stephen brother. The twins were Cliff and Cave. Emerson > said- and was in papers- that Cliff Stephen led some of his family to > the site in 1960's and, before leaving, he stared across the Tress Rios- > 3 rivers Glen Rose area, towards Cleburne prairie and towards Comanche > Peak in silence. His mom had killed a Panther after her bulldog had > stopped him at the cowhide wall to their living quarters- one shot with > a shotgun. Parhams, Ice, Fretwell, McCarty, and others lived at the foot > of the hill. Jim Ice and dad traded livestock often. > > Cecil Fretwell's dad Scott was given Cecil's Congressional Medal of honor > Posthumously by a marker on Glen Rose Courthouse square after Cecil was > found dead in Korea. Way I read it at the time, some U.S. officers were > dead in a dugout shelter room, several North Koreans were dead outside > with bayonet wounds and Cecil was between the two groups with the only > bloody bayonet in the bunch. Cecil visited some Johnsville friends to > swap Motorcycle parts before we all went swimming in the Duffau, late > 1940's. > > I rode the bus with Jiggs Laney's wife- an Edwards. His dad and mom, Ben > and Ruth Laney, often exchanged visits with mom and Dad after they > retired in Selden and also exchanged fruit and vegetables.Funny how old > age turns lifetime acquaintances into good friends checking on each > other. They had common memories. > > Oscar Parham, in his School bus , said there was once a cavern off the > Panther Cave rock overhangs and the spring from solid rock- but so many > dogs were lost in dropoffs while chasing animals, that the cavern part > was bulldozed full- One used to see a place where dirt was moved and > setled away from the ceiling, just enough for small animals and > Rattlesnakes to enter and make a tremendous den. This is the first spring > & waterfall on Hill Creek which turne back towards the Ralls Ranch and > the Brazos near Eulogy. . The Parham Store in Stephenville was moved from > the Crossroads area below this hill. > > THIS CAVE IS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY NEAR NEWER HOUSES- BUT IS DANGEROUS- > KEEP OUT. I visited it as a local teacher with a Biology class with > permission and gatherred specimens where "Bull " Adams, Rhodes Scholar, > had found 4 Indian Graves under an overhang and sent his find to some > museum. > > Sorry if I bored any of you, but hope your delete button still works- > many books could be written on this area of many former Tennessee and > other Frontiersmen > > Take care, > Charles A. Wyly > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >

Hi, as I understand it from H. Grady Perry's book GRAND OLE ERATH- the Story of a Cross Timbers County, the main street of old Chalk Mountain was the old dirt Hwy 67, which I was born on in Johnsville, Grandad Henry Wyly bought some land from Reed Cox family in 1920's and Grandad Henry Carey's brother George Carey bought the adjoining land between us and the Duffau Creek branch near the Selden Hatchett Cemetery. Some of the Bordner- Hatchett- Hammic connections are buried in Selden Cemetery, not Chalk Mountain. One Anderson is also there. \ Bordners were Bortner in Germany and, like Riggs men, came from Illinois and points east to the area. Old Dirt Hwy 67 was very crooked- I and Truett Carey and Williams and Carver and Wright kids and some Coxes and Pitman and McGee and Scotts and Mills and Little kids and Dr. Morris Johnson walked the old Hwy past the Johnsville Church and post office and turned off to right to old location of Johnsville School, before it became the main building of 3 way school on new Hwy 67. The present paved U.S. 67 was being built when I was born. Dad went for a Doctor through the construction rather than follow the crooked old dirt U.S. 67 to old Valley Grove area, then into Stephenville. One bridge was out near Cedar Point road- graded but not finished, and it was cold and muddy, so dad jumpped the ditch in his Model T pickup.I beat the Doctor there, and was kept warm on the south side of the wood stove in a quilt and orange crate. The open road from Chalk Mountain to Walnut Springs was the last open road before dropping off the steep hill into Somerville County. It past the park and picnic area of 1900 at Panther Cave, and Odom Chapel was on the other side of the road. Roy Fallin may have paved Erath portion of the road. Emerson Rhodeslived on the road near the cave where one of the Stephen brothers lived and wife had twins in the cave while he freighted by Ox Cart from Bellmead to Fort Graham and Foprt Griffin. Stephenville was named for a Stephen brother. The twins were Cliff and Cave. Emerson said- and was in papers- that Cliff Stephen led some of his family to the site in 1960's and, before leaving, he stared across the Tress Rios- 3 rivers Glen Rose area, towards Cleburne prairie and towards Comanche Peak in silence. His mom had killed a Panther after her bulldog had stopped him at the cowhide wall to their living quarters- one shot with a shotgun. Parhams, Ice, Fretwell, McCarty, and others lived at the foot of the hill. Jim Ice and dad traded livestock often. Cecil Fretwell's dad Scott was given Cecil's Congressional Medal of honor Posthumously by a marker on Glen Rose Courthouse square after Cecil was found dead in Korea. Way I read it at the time, some U.S. officers were dead in a dugout shelter room, several North Koreans were dead outside with bayonet wounds and Cecil was between the two groups with the only bloody bayonet in the bunch. Cecil visited some Johnsville friends to swap Motorcycle parts before we all went swimming in the Duffau, late 1940's. I rode the bus with Jiggs Laney's wife- an Edwards. His dad and mom, Ben and Ruth Laney, often exchanged visits with mom and Dad after they retired in Selden and also exchanged fruit and vegetables.Funny how old age turns lifetime acquaintances into good friends checking on each other. They had common memories. Oscar Parham, in his School bus , said there was once a cavern off the Panther Cave rock overhangs and the spring from solid rock- but so many dogs were lost in dropoffs while chasing animals, that the cavern part was bulldozed full- One used to see a place where dirt was moved and setled away from the ceiling, just enough for small animals and Rattlesnakes to enter and make a tremendous den. This is the first spring & waterfall on Hill Creek which turne back towards the Ralls Ranch and the Brazos near Eulogy. . The Parham Store in Stephenville was moved from the Crossroads area below this hill. THIS CAVE IS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY NEAR NEWER HOUSES- BUT IS DANGEROUS- KEEP OUT. I visited it as a local teacher with a Biology class with permission and gatherred specimens where "Bull " Adams, Rhodes Scholar, had found 4 Indian Graves under an overhang and sent his find to some museum. Sorry if I bored any of you, but hope your delete button still works- many books could be written on this area of many former Tennessee and other Frontiersmen Take care, Charles A. Wyly

ok let me get this straight. Are u saying that when you turn off on the county road that goes to Chalk Mountain Cemetery,,,that before that around the Masonic Lodge use to be the main street,,,,,,,,,,or is Hwy 67 past the Jackson store up to the Hamm Place was main street of Chalk Mountain. Our ranch was where Chalk Mountain Cemetery is and of course more...my great grandfather gave that land for the cemetery. Pete Laney was there for the dedication of a Texas Ranger stone for our g grandfather. by the way that is where the Chalk Mountain Ranch is now,,,,,well what they call the ranch,,,,,,that land use to be ours. flowerchild ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles A. Wyly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [ERATH] Cain > Hi, > Charles Pettit or Petit had various financial interests in Dallas and > turned his ranch into a Registerred Cattle breeding ranch in Bosque and > Erath and possibly Somervell counties. He also had high dollar Hunting > leases , closely supervised by his employees. The Cain family and family > of James Grady Roberts ran the ranch and handled high dollar hunting > leases in an Antelope pasture and deer and birds were everywhere. > Anterlope are easy to fence as they cannot jump up and forward at the > same time, so a good sheep fence will hold them. I have seen the > Antelope near Flat Top lined up benind a ridge, with some deer and scouts > watching the hunters in deerstands on the creeks below them where Hunters > were being assigned Stands. They ignored us unlesss we stopped and stood > by the car and appeared to be holding a gun or Stick like a gun. Then a > Scout would paw the ground and the herd would run back to a safe spot. > Seems like the Deer and Antelope thought the Dallas city boys were a > great entertainment seasonally, but the smart ones knew to stay out of > the way. > > From Stephenville, take Hwy 67 past Jackson's Store at the Hico Y off > Hwy 67and the old Chalk Mountain Main Street and Lodge Hall, turn right > past the old downtown , then Panther Cave and Odom Chapel and the old > large red barn to the right, which was a Butterfield Stage stop to > change horses going from Waco North to Fort Graham and Fort Belknap on > the Mountain Gravel roads with little mud. Keep going and you would have > been by the Peters Family store in Walnut Springs on Glen Rose Highway > . > > Mr. Pettit's son in Law Major Long owned the Rough Creek Ranch in 1950-s > and today it is on the Internet as a High Dollar Executieve Conference > and Training Resort in Somervell County. The Circle 8 Dude Ranch and > Dance hall was farther northeast on the Paluxy, best I remember. Bob > Stanley and other Stephenville area Scotch- Irish Country musicians > played there on Saturday Nights, the Big Boys said. I was never there on > Saturday nights. The Glen Rose Groups and Mingus Groups sometimes had > rather rugh confrontations when Stephenville was totally dry. Now, anyone > can become a club member and buy mixed drinks in Stephenville. Hill > County is now wet for alcohol. > > Bob worked for dad some but left in time for the festivities to start- he > mostly played the Banjo or Mandolin. > > Take care, > Charles A. Wyly > > Take care, Charles Wyly > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >

So those two Moore are not related. Yes I was referring to Alfred Moore,.,,,,my grandpa and great uncle use to work for Moore and one of his daughters taught school at Cedar Point. my mother was in her class. Odie Leatherman use to live across from the Cedar Point church/ school. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles A. Wyly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [ERATH] Re: Introduction-Thorntons > Hi, > and I know about the Cedar Point one- wasn't that Alfred Moore? The > brothers I refer to lived to the right of Hwy 67 going from Stephenville > to Glen Rose, in Plainview area of Chalk Mountain, not far from Lee > Rice's old Silo which is so visible on the Dr. Malloy Ranch. . They > were near Worrells family, best I remember. Charlie used to run a custom > Combine when Hairy Vetch was so popular as a seed crop and either he or > one of the Hales usually combined for dad in 1940-50's, especially after > combines began to make Threshers less desirable. Clarence was a farmer > and Post Cutter and was the first there by a few hours when someone was > sick and a Community" Working" was announced- in a day or so they could > plant or lay by or harvest a crop forthose temporarily ill or inmjured. > > Lee Rice, a Black friend of all Johnsville and Chalk Mountrain school > children was raised as a foster child by Mr. Dunn of Dublin area who had > 2 sons near Lee's age- and when they left Alabama, Lee's Mom had just > died and Mr. Dunn treated him like a son. Grady Perry's tells about Lee. > he was a good neighbor and always started cooking Barbeque in a washpot > at Midnight Thursday for Johnsville and Chalk Mouintain school picnics > and dinner on the Grounds. he was a good baseball player Some White > teenagers would spend a wek or 2 with Lee when it was roundup or some > harvest time. Lee would help anyone with their ill or injured livestock > and was a fair Country amature Veterinarian. When women wanted a break > from field work, they took a bale of Cotton to the Riggs Gin in > Johnsville and shopped a little. Lee would make all women gin before he > did out of respect for Mrs. Dunn , his foster mother. He would > sometimes watch the cotton weighed and graded, so as to see that someone > did not make a mistake on the tickets the women took home, which was > rare. he usually found a piece of candy in his pocket when I or other > friends were small, at Belcher's Store. > > When Lee was 12, his foster dad told him that he was old enough to start > making mature decisions. he gave him some cash and told him that the > Dublin store owner would sell him anything he wanted, but, if he bought > it there, those Comanche County men watching from across the street would > probably quit trading there and the man might go broke. Lee stood and > cried because he was a potential problem, but did not buy there. he > traded in Stephenville, Johnsville stores, and Chalk Mountain all his > life and wore spats, vest, Gold chain and watch and a suit and hat to > Church and special days in Stephenville. I always saw him coioking or > playing ball in overalls. > Take care, > Charles Wyly > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >

Hi, Charles Pettit or Petit had various financial interests in Dallas and turned his ranch into a Registerred Cattle breeding ranch in Bosque and Erath and possibly Somervell counties. He also had high dollar Hunting leases , closely supervised by his employees. The Cain family and family of James Grady Roberts ran the ranch and handled high dollar hunting leases in an Antelope pasture and deer and birds were everywhere. Anterlope are easy to fence as they cannot jump up and forward at the same time, so a good sheep fence will hold them. I have seen the Antelope near Flat Top lined up benind a ridge, with some deer and scouts watching the hunters in deerstands on the creeks below them where Hunters were being assigned Stands. They ignored us unlesss we stopped and stood by the car and appeared to be holding a gun or Stick like a gun. Then a Scout would paw the ground and the herd would run back to a safe spot. Seems like the Deer and Antelope thought the Dallas city boys were a great entertainment seasonally, but the smart ones knew to stay out of the way. From Stephenville, take Hwy 67 past Jackson's Store at the Hico Y off Hwy 67and the old Chalk Mountain Main Street and Lodge Hall, turn right past the old downtown , then Panther Cave and Odom Chapel and the old large red barn to the right, which was a Butterfield Stage stop to change horses going from Waco North to Fort Graham and Fort Belknap on the Mountain Gravel roads with little mud. Keep going and you would have been by the Peters Family store in Walnut Springs on Glen Rose Highway . Mr. Pettit's son in Law Major Long owned the Rough Creek Ranch in 1950-s and today it is on the Internet as a High Dollar Executieve Conference and Training Resort in Somervell County. The Circle 8 Dude Ranch and Dance hall was farther northeast on the Paluxy, best I remember. Bob Stanley and other Stephenville area Scotch- Irish Country musicians played there on Saturday Nights, the Big Boys said. I was never there on Saturday nights. The Glen Rose Groups and Mingus Groups sometimes had rather rugh confrontations when Stephenville was totally dry. Now, anyone can become a club member and buy mixed drinks in Stephenville. Hill County is now wet for alcohol. Bob worked for dad some but left in time for the festivities to start- he mostly played the Banjo or Mandolin. Take care, Charles A. Wyly Take care, Charles Wyly

Hi, and I know about the Cedar Point one- wasn't that Alfred Moore? The brothers I refer to lived to the right of Hwy 67 going from Stephenville to Glen Rose, in Plainview area of Chalk Mountain, not far from Lee Rice's old Silo which is so visible on the Dr. Malloy Ranch. . They were near Worrells family, best I remember. Charlie used to run a custom Combine when Hairy Vetch was so popular as a seed crop and either he or one of the Hales usually combined for dad in 1940-50's, especially after combines began to make Threshers less desirable. Clarence was a farmer and Post Cutter and was the first there by a few hours when someone was sick and a Community" Working" was announced- in a day or so they could plant or lay by or harvest a crop forthose temporarily ill or inmjured. Lee Rice, a Black friend of all Johnsville and Chalk Mountrain school children was raised as a foster child by Mr. Dunn of Dublin area who had 2 sons near Lee's age- and when they left Alabama, Lee's Mom had just died and Mr. Dunn treated him like a son. Grady Perry's tells about Lee. he was a good neighbor and always started cooking Barbeque in a washpot at Midnight Thursday for Johnsville and Chalk Mouintain school picnics and dinner on the Grounds. he was a good baseball player Some White teenagers would spend a wek or 2 with Lee when it was roundup or some harvest time. Lee would help anyone with their ill or injured livestock and was a fair Country amature Veterinarian. When women wanted a break from field work, they took a bale of Cotton to the Riggs Gin in Johnsville and shopped a little. Lee would make all women gin before he did out of respect for Mrs. Dunn , his foster mother. He would sometimes watch the cotton weighed and graded, so as to see that someone did not make a mistake on the tickets the women took home, which was rare. he usually found a piece of candy in his pocket when I or other friends were small, at Belcher's Store. When Lee was 12, his foster dad told him that he was old enough to start making mature decisions. he gave him some cash and told him that the Dublin store owner would sell him anything he wanted, but, if he bought it there, those Comanche County men watching from across the street would probably quit trading there and the man might go broke. Lee stood and cried because he was a potential problem, but did not buy there. he traded in Stephenville, Johnsville stores, and Chalk Mountain all his life and wore spats, vest, Gold chain and watch and a suit and hat to Church and special days in Stephenville. I always saw him coioking or playing ball in overalls. Take care, Charles Wyly

Charles, Do you have any more information on Tillman Cain who worked for the Flat Top Ranch? He was a distant cousin of mine. He died in 1989 . I am trying to find his younger brother, Calwin. I don't know if he is still alive or not. Thanks, Pat Lee At 04:04 AM 10/4/2003 -0600, you wrote: >TXERATH-D Digest Volume 03 : Issue 164 > >Today's Topics: > #1 [ERATH] RE:Font & Mont Taylor ["Ralph D. Biddle" > <[email protected]] > #2 Re: [ERATH] Re: Introduction-Thorn ["Charles A. Wyly" > <[email protected]>] > #3 Re: [ERATH] Cain ["Charles A. Wyly" > <[email protected]>] > #4 Re: [ERATH] ERATH] Herring ["Charles A. Wyly" > <[email protected]>] > #5 Re: [ERATH] Re: Rainwater? ["Charles A. Wyly" > <[email protected]>] > #6 Re: [ERATH] Cain [[email protected]] > >Administrivia: >To unsubscribe from TXERATH-D, send a message to > > [email protected] > >that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > >______________________________X-Message: #1 >Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 10:46:17 -0500 >From: "Ralph D. Biddle" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: [ERATH] RE:Font & Mont Taylor >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Does anyone have the families of Mont and Stella Taylor and Font & >Edna(Tittle)Taylor in their data? They moved to Erath County in the >early 1920's from Franklin County, TX. > >Ralph from OK > >______________________________X-Message: #2 >Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 22:13:02 -0500 >From: "Charles A. Wyly" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [ERATH] Re: Introduction-Thorntons >Content-Type: text/plain >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Hi, >did your Thorntons include those in Chalk Mountain Thornton Ranch >between Clarence Moore and Charlie Moore ? >Charles Wyly > >______________________________X-Message: #3 >Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 22:09:19 -0500 >From: "Charles A. Wyly" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [ERATH] Cain >Content-Type: text/plain >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Hi, Ed, > wonder if your Cains could have been ancestors of Tilden(?) Cain and >family of Flat Top Ranch in 1960's ? I taught math to Wayne and his >sister was in Elementary school there in Walnut Springs- just across the >Erath County line from Chalk Mountain. Wayne was an outstanding 6 man >football player. His dad took Mr. Pettit's show catle to State fair and >Fort Worth shows and deliverred registerred Hereford Breeding stock as >far as California. > >Charles Wyly > >______________________________X-Message: #4 >Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 22:02:54 -0500 >From: "Charles A. Wyly" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [ERATH] ERATH] Herring >Content-Type: text/plain >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Hi, Kathy- > > Hugh and Connie Herring lived on the Duffau Creeek- old Williams or >Great Uncle George Carey place- near Channel Sandrock swimming hole- Bud >Martin's old home. Perry and Maypearl Pemberton Carey lived there when >Truett was small., then moved north across the old dirt U.S. 67- between >our home and Gristy land. George owned both homes. Don't remember Golda >being born before 1946. > > The second house was across the Duffau from the Selden or Hatchett >Cemetery and we were across the next branch east, where Grady Wyly and >/or daughter now own . Hugh and Connie lived there when Connie taught at >Selden and Johnsville. They attended Johnsville church of Christ, but she >was in the American Red Cross group which met in the Selden School >Auditorium building for rolling Red Cross Bandages from old sheets to >send overseas to combat zones. After bandages were rolled, they quilted >. We have a quilt with Connie's name stitched to one square. > >Hugh farmed some and grew peanuts on Great Grandad Moxley.s place across >Hico Hiway from the O'Brien home place. People often drove their >tractors to work if they had a fast high gear from one farm to another, >as pickup and car gas was rationed but tractor gas was available. i >remember one family whoi came to church at Pony Creek in a trailer and a >B Farmall a few times. > > I helped load and thresh Hugh's peanuts one year. Were the Herrings >buried at Hightower cemetery related to Hugh and Connie and/or you? About >1950 they moved into Stephernville and opened their business office- Real >estate , wasn't it? > >charles A. Wyly > >______________________________X-Message: #5 >Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 22:22:07 -0500 >From: "Charles A. Wyly" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [ERATH] Re: Rainwater? >Content-Type: text/plain >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Hi, >I remember Milton Rainwater of Hico, hamilton county- these families >should have most records in Hamilton Courthouse. > >Also, are you related to the Salmons buried in the old Montgomery- >Bushong Cemetery between Stephenville and Hico towards Salem from >Selden?? Salmpon Brothers had businesses in Hico for most of the 20 >century. > >Charles Wyly > >______________________________X-Message: #6 >Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 23:48:39 EDT >From: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [ERATH] Cain >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >Cjarles, > >Could you tell me more about the Petit's of Erath Co? > >Michaellann

Are you talking about the Moore Ranch closer to Cedar Point,,,,,,,,,Charles. [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles A. Wyly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [ERATH] Re: Introduction-Thorntons > Hi, > did your Thorntons include those in Chalk Mountain Thornton Ranch > between Clarence Moore and Charlie Moore ? > Charles Wyly > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >

One of the Rainwater's married a Shelton girl from Hico,, and one of the Shelton girls, ,,,Carmen married Grady Hooper. I think that Rainwater went to Brownwood to live. [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles A. Wyly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [ERATH] Re: Rainwater? > Hi, > I remember Milton Rainwater of Hico, hamilton county- these families > should have most records in Hamilton Courthouse. > > Also, are you related to the Salmons buried in the old Montgomery- > Bushong Cemetery between Stephenville and Hico towards Salem from > Selden?? Salmpon Brothers had businesses in Hico for most of the 20 > century. > > Charles Wyly > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >

Hi, I have not heard how the Indian Creek cemetery meeting turned out. Let me know something. We are both having back and other nuisance problems which slow one down a lot. Also, seems one or the other of our grandchildren is having a birthday or problem- and Waco Schools calls me to substitute 3 to 5 days a week. Have been planning a huge garage sale of Antiques, collectibles, and junk for over a year- need to get the car back in at least one side of the garage. had a booth in Cameron Trading but antiques and Collectibles market died with 9-11. Charles Wyly

Cjarles, Could you tell me more about the Petit's of Erath Co? Michaellann

Hi, I remember Milton Rainwater of Hico, hamilton county- these families should have most records in Hamilton Courthouse. Also, are you related to the Salmons buried in the old Montgomery- Bushong Cemetery between Stephenville and Hico towards Salem from Selden?? Salmpon Brothers had businesses in Hico for most of the 20 century. Charles Wyly

Hi, did your Thorntons include those in Chalk Mountain Thornton Ranch between Clarence Moore and Charlie Moore ? Charles Wyly

Hi, Ed, wonder if your Cains could have been ancestors of Tilden(?) Cain and family of Flat Top Ranch in 1960's ? I taught math to Wayne and his sister was in Elementary school there in Walnut Springs- just across the Erath County line from Chalk Mountain. Wayne was an outstanding 6 man football player. His dad took Mr. Pettit's show catle to State fair and Fort Worth shows and deliverred registerred Hereford Breeding stock as far as California. Charles Wyly

Hi, Kathy- Hugh and Connie Herring lived on the Duffau Creeek- old Williams or Great Uncle George Carey place- near Channel Sandrock swimming hole- Bud Martin's old home. Perry and Maypearl Pemberton Carey lived there when Truett was small., then moved north across the old dirt U.S. 67- between our home and Gristy land. George owned both homes. Don't remember Golda being born before 1946. The second house was across the Duffau from the Selden or Hatchett Cemetery and we were across the next branch east, where Grady Wyly and /or daughter now own . Hugh and Connie lived there when Connie taught at Selden and Johnsville. They attended Johnsville church of Christ, but she was in the American Red Cross group which met in the Selden School Auditorium building for rolling Red Cross Bandages from old sheets to send overseas to combat zones. After bandages were rolled, they quilted . We have a quilt with Connie's name stitched to one square. Hugh farmed some and grew peanuts on Great Grandad Moxley.s place across Hico Hiway from the O'Brien home place. People often drove their tractors to work if they had a fast high gear from one farm to another, as pickup and car gas was rationed but tractor gas was available. i remember one family whoi came to church at Pony Creek in a trailer and a B Farmall a few times. I helped load and thresh Hugh's peanuts one year. Were the Herrings buried at Hightower cemetery related to Hugh and Connie and/or you? About 1950 they moved into Stephernville and opened their business office- Real estate , wasn't it? charles A. Wyly

Does anyone have the families of Mont and Stella Taylor and Font & Edna(Tittle)Taylor in their data? They moved to Erath County in the early 1920's from Franklin County, TX. Ralph from OK

I will be out of the office starting 09/24/2003 and will not return until 10/06/2003. I will respond to your message when I return.

From: "janet" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ERATH] Re: TXERATH-D Digest V03 #141 Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 2:48 PM Hi Kaki, My name is Janet Shugart. My husband(Woodward Earl) is the g-grandson of T(imothy) W(oodward) Shugart who married Florence Sinclair. Would love to hear from you because I have been trying to get in touch with someone on the Sinclair side of the family to find out more on Florence. Can we get together and exchange info? Janet

charles, my family, westfall, was all of german extraction but had been in the country since 1640 so the germanic sympathy was limited or nil. there are at least tswo i can recall off the top of my head that served in CSA service. of the lindig line i have little or no knowledge thanks lewis westfall *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 9/22/2003 at 4:18 PM Charles A. Wyly wrote: Hi, If he names you are hunting are German- let me know. I have names on the Historic Marker and gravesite of Texas Germans killed while going to Mexico and stay out of the Civil War. They had just lost the Aborptive Revolution in Germany and felt secession was wrong- and the Federal Govt should be setting up training schools and subsidize former slaveholders for their loss and the Union should not be broken up. Germans of that era mostly supported 3rd party candidate- either Breckenridge or Buchannan. Texas Partizan Rangers attacked them at night with guns blazing while the Germans were having Vespers and preparing for sleep without posted guards.Hermanson Lodges or Sons of herman nationwide supported the third party Candidate. Lincoln was a Minority President- but he served anyway. Maybe we need Presidential Runoffs??? These men were not buried for 3 years and Coyotes had scaterred their bones. Bones were buried on Old Comfort School yard and a monument erected. For over 100 years , when the Texas flag was raised by students, others laid roses or flowers on the Monument. Not all Confederate Partizan Rangers were as corrupt as Capt. McDuff- a Lt. McRae was always sent out on other duties when captured "Outlaws" were executed for "Trying to Escape. " One of the officers faced McDuff down one one day and called him a cold blooded killer with not enough guts to draw on him while looking him in the eye.He was a reject from other armies and described by some as resembling a Bull Frog. Women and kids in new Braunfels were placed behind Barb Wire stockade for a short time after that. Seems that some of McDuff's men and/or some Comanchero Indian half breeds were raiding frontier German homes.and blaming German Outlaws. They did not have friendly Caddoes and Intermarrieds betwen them and Indian raiders as did Erath County folk during the Civil War. That was the intention of the Partizan Rangers (Not Texas Rangers)- to protect the Frontier Homeland in absence of other troops and Texas Rangers in the Army. . Raiders captured several German children , tied them to horses, and ate roadkill and were in Big Spring in 2 days with little sleep. Even then they tied the legs of the children around a tree to sleep- with bleeding legs- but several survived. . This is recorded by a German who was captured and rescued years later- a Herman - Lehman? Don't remember his last name but have it in records if you need it.When he returned to Fredricksburg to live with his sisters, he spoke German, English, and Apache or Comanche. he preferred sleeping outside, and one night, while attending a Methodist Revival with Mourners or Seeker's Bench, he got carried away and stood on a bench in the street- on the back bench- and let out an apropriate War Whoop. He emptied the outdoor worship area in the street in a rapid rate. One home from this German area- rock- was moved to the Texas Tech outdoor Pioneer Museum with its Windmill. Most 2 Story Rock homes in Erath County were built from Rock Church down the Paluxy and towards Chak Mountain. Underwoods from Tennessee built some of them. The story in the book was also published in either True West or Frontier Times, edited by Dr. Walter Prescott Webb of University of Texas in Austin. I am still not sure if this was what some called the Battle of The neuces- one of the last of the Civil War- but there was no Battle- and within 2 days there were no German survivors. One could spend a month or 2 coverring the area you spoke of. There are over 20 Cemeteries on Fort Hood and a Fort Hood office has a record of all buried there. Plans were at one time to bring Fort Hood to Valley Mills Ranch- 30 years ago- but was not done. From Lampassas County south is all Old German Country of those who left Germany for Texas during Aborptive Rev. My sources for the above are from Secondary Translations of Texas Gernans in University of North Texas Library and the magazines mentioned which match,. This a large collection of German Texas books and magazines printed for immigrant families with equivalent of a Junior College Education. Take care, Charles A. Wyly On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:02:08 -0500 "Lewis" <[email protected]> writes: > i just returned saturday from THE GREAT STATE OF TEXAS and some > great places. > > i stayed one night in johnson city and met pat althaus tuesday at > her > ofice in the courthouse. she is a fine lady and pretty well versed > on > blanco county and its history. she helped me find post oak cemetery > where i located the grave of a 3d great grandfather and i took pics > of > quite a few headstones there. i also photographed stones in > gillespies stonewall and trinity lutheran cemeteries. > > spent the next night in fredericksburg. went to llano for cooper's > bbq. > could not find anyone to help with the stadt friedhof or greenwood > cemeteries so i left the next morning for mason. located and > stopped > at the gooch cemetery but could not locate my relative's grave there > and i went on to coleman to meet up with a cousin who works with > me on family history. in mccolloch county i stopped at fife > cemetery > and photographed almost all stones in it - a few were unreadable. > > we went on to abilene and while there i was in anson and stamford. > took a few fotos in stamford's cemetery but we failed to locate the > gravesite of our relative there. > > i returned to louisiana saturday via gustine in comanche county. > stopped in at gustine and met a distant cousin and quite a few of > his > folks. i took a few fotos in the evergreen cemetery there and later > took > a lot in the hazeldell cemetery. > > i wanted to stop in gatesville to visit a lady but was just too > tired and > ready to get back here. > > me and my cousin are researching: westfall, cauley, blanco county > smith, > george webb slaughter and i am researching mother's family - feeler, > from > callahan, crane, upton and ector counties. > > lewis westfall > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== --- Author Retains Copyright --- -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

Hi, If he names you are hunting are German- let me know. I have names on the Historic Marker and gravesite of Texas Germans killed while going to Mexico and stay out of the Civil War. They had just lost the Aborptive Revolution in Germany and felt secession was wrong- and the Federal Govt should be setting up training schools and subsidize former slaveholders for their loss and the Union should not be broken up. Germans of that era mostly supported 3rd party candidate- either Breckenridge or Buchannan. Texas Partizan Rangers attacked them at night with guns blazing while the Germans were having Vespers and preparing for sleep without posted guards.Hermanson Lodges or Sons of herman nationwide supported the third party Candidate. Lincoln was a Minority President- but he served anyway. Maybe we need Presidential Runoffs??? These men were not buried for 3 years and Coyotes had scaterred their bones. Bones were buried on Old Comfort School yard and a monument erected. For over 100 years , when the Texas flag was raised by students, others laid roses or flowers on the Monument. Not all Confederate Partizan Rangers were as corrupt as Capt. McDuff- a Lt. McRae was always sent out on other duties when captured "Outlaws" were executed for "Trying to Escape. " One of the officers faced McDuff down one one day and called him a cold blooded killer with not enough guts to draw on him while looking him in the eye.He was a reject from other armies and described by some as resembling a Bull Frog. Women and kids in new Braunfels were placed behind Barb Wire stockade for a short time after that. Seems that some of McDuff's men and/or some Comanchero Indian half breeds were raiding frontier German homes.and blaming German Outlaws. They did not have friendly Caddoes and Intermarrieds betwen them and Indian raiders as did Erath County folk during the Civil War. That was the intention of the Partizan Rangers (Not Texas Rangers)- to protect the Frontier Homeland in absence of other troops and Texas Rangers in the Army. . Raiders captured several German children , tied them to horses, and ate roadkill and were in Big Spring in 2 days with little sleep. Even then they tied the legs of the children around a tree to sleep- with bleeding legs- but several survived. . This is recorded by a German who was captured and rescued years later- a Herman - Lehman? Don't remember his last name but have it in records if you need it.When he returned to Fredricksburg to live with his sisters, he spoke German, English, and Apache or Comanche. he preferred sleeping outside, and one night, while attending a Methodist Revival with Mourners or Seeker's Bench, he got carried away and stood on a bench in the street- on the back bench- and let out an apropriate War Whoop. He emptied the outdoor worship area in the street in a rapid rate. One home from this German area- rock- was moved to the Texas Tech outdoor Pioneer Museum with its Windmill. Most 2 Story Rock homes in Erath County were built from Rock Church down the Paluxy and towards Chak Mountain. Underwoods from Tennessee built some of them. The story in the book was also published in either True West or Frontier Times, edited by Dr. Walter Prescott Webb of University of Texas in Austin. I am still not sure if this was what some called the Battle of The neuces- one of the last of the Civil War- but there was no Battle- and within 2 days there were no German survivors. One could spend a month or 2 coverring the area you spoke of. There are over 20 Cemeteries on Fort Hood and a Fort Hood office has a record of all buried there. Plans were at one time to bring Fort Hood to Valley Mills Ranch- 30 years ago- but was not done. From Lampassas County south is all Old German Country of those who left Germany for Texas during Aborptive Rev. My sources for the above are from Secondary Translations of Texas Gernans in University of North Texas Library and the magazines mentioned which match,. This a large collection of German Texas books and magazines printed for immigrant families with equivalent of a Junior College Education. Take care, Charles A. Wyly On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:02:08 -0500 "Lewis" <[email protected]> writes: > i just returned saturday from THE GREAT STATE OF TEXAS and some > great places. > > i stayed one night in johnson city and met pat althaus tuesday at > her > ofice in the courthouse. she is a fine lady and pretty well versed > on > blanco county and its history. she helped me find post oak cemetery > where i located the grave of a 3d great grandfather and i took pics > of > quite a few headstones there. i also photographed stones in > gillespies stonewall and trinity lutheran cemeteries. > > spent the next night in fredericksburg. went to llano for cooper's > bbq. > could not find anyone to help with the stadt friedhof or greenwood > cemeteries so i left the next morning for mason. located and > stopped > at the gooch cemetery but could not locate my relative's grave there > and i went on to coleman to meet up with a cousin who works with > me on family history. in mccolloch county i stopped at fife > cemetery > and photographed almost all stones in it - a few were unreadable. > > we went on to abilene and while there i was in anson and stamford. > took a few fotos in stamford's cemetery but we failed to locate the > gravesite of our relative there. > > i returned to louisiana saturday via gustine in comanche county. > stopped in at gustine and met a distant cousin and quite a few of > his > folks. i took a few fotos in the evergreen cemetery there and later > took > a lot in the hazeldell cemetery. > > i wanted to stop in gatesville to visit a lady but was just too > tired and > ready to get back here. > > me and my cousin are researching: westfall, cauley, blanco county > smith, > george webb slaughter and i am researching mother's family - feeler, > from > callahan, crane, upton and ector counties. > > lewis westfall > > > > > ==== TXERATH Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2003 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: [email protected] > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >