Thanks to everyone who has provided responses to my query about Birth Certificates for Charles Ray.  I now have the addresses and phone numbers in my wallet and will stop by these places when I get back to San Antonio. I went to the office on Santa Rosa in SA.  I remember standing in line for some lengthy time only to be stopped in the midle of my question and was directed to Austin for results.  I need to return to office on Santa Rosa and ask someone else who might have a minute more to spare before driving to Austin.  Charles W. Ray, Jr.  Great grandson of Charles Ray b-1858 San Antonio --- On Sat, 1/24/09, txbexar-request@rootsweb.com <txbexar-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: From: txbexar-request@rootsweb.com <txbexar-request@rootsweb.com> Subject: TXBEXAR Digest, Vol 4, Issue 9 To: txbexar@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 2:02 AM Today's Topics: 1. Re: TXBEXAR Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6 *** Birth Records *** (Steve Gibson) 2. Re: TXBEXAR Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6 *** Birth Records *** General Info... (treviawbeverly) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:11:17 -0600 From: "Steve Gibson" <fox6@att.net> Subject: Re: [TXBEXAR] TXBEXAR Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6 *** Birth Records *** To: "'treviawbeverly'" <treviawbeverly@comcast.net>, <charleswrayjr@prodigy.net>, <txbexar@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BEBB6A6DC09F4F0AB1C4C9032FD40F30@Gateway835GM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I don't think birth certificates existed in 1858, but you can get copies of birth and death certificates from the San Antonio Metro Health department. http://www.sanantonio.gov/health/VitalStats-Main.html -----Original Message----- From: txbexar-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:txbexar-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of treviawbeverly Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:42 AM To: charleswrayjr@prodigy.net; txbexar@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TXBEXAR] TXBEXAR Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6 *** Birth Records *** In addition to my earlier suggestion of RAOGK, you might try the San Antonio Genealogical & Historical Society http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~txsaghs2/ They indicate that they do research. You might also try the San Antonio Public Library http://www.sanantonio.gov/Library/ Scroll to the bottom of the main page for contact .... they may be able to answer your question as to where birth records for 1858 are ---- if there are any! http://www.countyclerk.bexar.landata.com/ Bexar County Clerk's office. Check out the Bexar County Archives - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~usgenweb/tx/bexar/bextoc.htm They have some later (after 1900) birth records listed. Might as well go a step further for those researching in Bexar Co- http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/arc/local/bexar.html Texas State Archives' microfilm --- these are all available on Interlibrary Loan .... Officially the Texas birth records began in 1903, not fully implemented until ca. 1910. Of course when social security came in, many people filed Delayed Births -- even though born in another state, you will often find they obtained a TX delayed birth certificate. There are, of course, earlier births .... filed in odd places. If Catholic, church records are usually an excellent source. I'm off to the dentist but when I return I'll see if I can come up with anything else. Trevia Wooster Beverly Huston, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "CHARLES RAY" <charleswrayjr@prodigy.net> To: <txbexar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [TXBEXAR] TXBEXAR Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6 Michael, Seems to me that this site has left many of us wanting. Like you, I sit here waiting for a response. I don't think researchers go back to the old digests or back to unanswered quetions but I'm not going to overload the site by repeating my request either. I am in Houston near Clayton Library and it's tooms of genealogy information. Likewise, I have looked up answers for others as well. They may have been right here in Houston. I just did it for them and for free. I only asked for directions in San Antonio to the where the Birth Records for 1858 are kept so that I can drive there and look for my Great Grandfather Charles Ray's (b. 1858 in San Antonio) birth certificate. No response! We both know that someone could answer our question very easily. Charles William Ray, Jr. Younger by 86 years 832-328-0649 Houston --- On Wed, 1/21/09, txbexar-request@rootsweb.com <txbexar-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: From: txbexar-request@rootsweb.com <txbexar-request@rootsweb.com> Subject: TXBEXAR Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6 To: txbexar@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 2:03 AM Today's Topics: 1. Please, Please, Please, why do I have to beg you people in Bexar County, Texas, to do an obit lookup? (Michael J. Smith) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 04:04:03 -0600 From: "Michael J. Smith" <msmith4@gt.rr.com> Subject: [TXBEXAR] Please, Please, Please, why do I have to beg you people in Bexar County, Texas, to do an obit lookup? To: <TXBEXAR@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <90A4496E6AB5493FADC28209B77E5307@michael1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi list, Please, Please, Please, why do I have to beg you people in Bexar County, Texas, to do an obit lookup? I do lookups all the time over here in Jefferson County, Texas for people for FREE. If there is no kind soul in Bexar County that will look up this obit for this poor old man, then ad lest point me to the library or someone that I will PAY to do it. This is the obit: Eldridge Deforest ARNOLD, Jr., Died: March 27, 1993 in Bexar County, Texas. I pray that Jesus will bless you and your family with the desires of your hearts. God bless, Michael J. SMITH 124 South 16th Street Nederland, Texas 77627-5119 409-722-7277 stmichael@gt.rr.com ------------------------------ To contact the TXBEXAR list administrator, send an email to TXBEXAR-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the TXBEXAR mailing list, send an email to TXBEXAR@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXBEXAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of TXBEXAR Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6 ************************************* ======================================= Posting of non-genealogical-current events, political opinions, prayers, virus warnings, non-approved solicitations, chain letters, jokes, poems, non-genealogical stories, missing children notices, and flames are not allowed on this list and may be grounds for immediate removal and exclusion from the list. 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Questions or comments about this policy may be directed to your list administrator, Susan Cearlock Tilleman, at the following address: setilleman@gmail.com . Also remember not to block receiving mail from another list member unless you are subscribed in digest mode. The RootsWeb software automatically removes subscribers from the mailing list who are causing excessive bounces. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXBEXAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 11:51:49 -0600 From: "treviawbeverly" <treviawbeverly@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [TXBEXAR] TXBEXAR Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6 *** Birth Records *** General Info... To: <txbexar@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <AE3311B2824D464E8E829591F52E0611@TreviaBeverlyPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gibson" <fox6@att.net> To: "'treviawbeverly'" <treviawbeverly@comcast.net>; <charleswrayjr@prodigy.net>; <txbexar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:11 AM Subject: RE: [TXBEXAR] TXBEXAR Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6 *** Birth Records *** >I don't think birth certificates existed in 1858, but you can get copies of > birth and death certificates from the San Antonio Metro Health department. > > http://www.sanantonio.gov/health/VitalStats-Main.html ___________________ Definitely not many ... See "Early Texas Birth Records 1833-1878" by Alice Duggan Gracy, etc. (1978, Historical Press). Bexar Co and others. Should be available at most good genealogical collections. Many cities/municipalities kept early records: Houston births began July 27, 1899 ... filed with the city's Vital Records Dept. so check the larger cities such as San Antonio, Dallas, Amarillo, etc. to see when their municipal records began and what they have. Another thing to remember is that counties may have historical archives. Harris County does - http://www.hctx.net/recordsmanagement/Archives/ It has been many years since I've had the opportunity to visit but the Bexar County Archives was then in the basement of the courthouse, John Ogden Leal was the archivist. The WPA did a lot of vital statistics (as well as cemetery inventories, etc.... ) Texas WPA Papers, Record Group 69, National Archives, Washington. http://texashistory.unt.edu/browse/collection/TXCI/ Portals of Texas History ... note the two volumes of Inventory for Bexar County. I have these .. unfortunately can't put my hands on them at the moment (stashed behind something in the storage closet, I'm sure). As I recall they were very complete. Again, try your library .. check if available on Interlibrary Loan. Excellent article in the Sept 2008 "Stirpes" (Texas State Genealogical Society) by Robert de Berardinis on "Correcting Myths about Texas Birth and Death Records." Heavy on Houston/Harris Co, none-the-less a good article. Example: "Based on the Texas Constitution of 1869, civil registration of births and deaths was authorized in 1871 and was enacted on May 3, 1873. The act provided that all married couples should register their legitimate children for 10? each. Gracy [book listed above] lists the data included for each child .... " * de Berardinis' article has footnote references. Trevia Wooster Beverly Houston, Texas ------------------------------ To contact the TXBEXAR list administrator, send an email to TXBEXAR-admin@rootsweb.com. 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----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gibson" <fox6@att.net> To: "'treviawbeverly'" <treviawbeverly@comcast.net>; <charleswrayjr@prodigy.net>; <txbexar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:11 AM Subject: RE: [TXBEXAR] TXBEXAR Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6 *** Birth Records *** >I don't think birth certificates existed in 1858, but you can get copies of > birth and death certificates from the San Antonio Metro Health department. > > http://www.sanantonio.gov/health/VitalStats-Main.html ___________________ Definitely not many ... See "Early Texas Birth Records 1833-1878" by Alice Duggan Gracy, etc. (1978, Historical Press). Bexar Co and others. Should be available at most good genealogical collections. Many cities/municipalities kept early records: Houston births began July 27, 1899 ... filed with the city's Vital Records Dept. so check the larger cities such as San Antonio, Dallas, Amarillo, etc. to see when their municipal records began and what they have. Another thing to remember is that counties may have historical archives. Harris County does - http://www.hctx.net/recordsmanagement/Archives/ It has been many years since I've had the opportunity to visit but the Bexar County Archives was then in the basement of the courthouse, John Ogden Leal was the archivist. The WPA did a lot of vital statistics (as well as cemetery inventories, etc.... ) Texas WPA Papers, Record Group 69, National Archives, Washington. http://texashistory.unt.edu/browse/collection/TXCI/ Portals of Texas History ... note the two volumes of Inventory for Bexar County. I have these .. unfortunately can't put my hands on them at the moment (stashed behind something in the storage closet, I'm sure). As I recall they were very complete. Again, try your library .. check if available on Interlibrary Loan. Excellent article in the Sept 2008 "Stirpes" (Texas State Genealogical Society) by Robert de Berardinis on "Correcting Myths about Texas Birth and Death Records." Heavy on Houston/Harris Co, none-the-less a good article. Example: "Based on the Texas Constitution of 1869, civil registration of births and deaths was authorized in 1871 and was enacted on May 3, 1873. The act provided that all married couples should register their legitimate children for 10¢ each. Gracy [book listed above] lists the data included for each child .... " * de Berardinis' article has footnote references. Trevia Wooster Beverly Houston, Texas

I don't think birth certificates existed in 1858, but you can get copies of birth and death certificates from the San Antonio Metro Health department. http://www.sanantonio.gov/health/VitalStats-Main.html -----Original Message----- From: txbexar-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:txbexar-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of treviawbeverly Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:42 AM To: charleswrayjr@prodigy.net; txbexar@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TXBEXAR] TXBEXAR Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6 *** Birth Records *** In addition to my earlier suggestion of RAOGK, you might try the San Antonio Genealogical & Historical Society http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~txsaghs2/ They indicate that they do research. You might also try the San Antonio Public Library http://www.sanantonio.gov/Library/ Scroll to the bottom of the main page for contact .... they may be able to answer your question as to where birth records for 1858 are ---- if there are any! http://www.countyclerk.bexar.landata.com/ Bexar County Clerk's office. Check out the Bexar County Archives - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~usgenweb/tx/bexar/bextoc.htm They have some later (after 1900) birth records listed. Might as well go a step further for those researching in Bexar Co- http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/arc/local/bexar.html Texas State Archives' microfilm --- these are all available on Interlibrary Loan .... Officially the Texas birth records began in 1903, not fully implemented until ca. 1910. Of course when social security came in, many people filed Delayed Births -- even though born in another state, you will often find they obtained a TX delayed birth certificate. There are, of course, earlier births .... filed in odd places. If Catholic, church records are usually an excellent source. I'm off to the dentist but when I return I'll see if I can come up with anything else. Trevia Wooster Beverly Huston, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "CHARLES RAY" <charleswrayjr@prodigy.net> To: <txbexar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [TXBEXAR] TXBEXAR Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6 Michael, Seems to me that this site has left many of us wanting. Like you, I sit here waiting for a response. I don't think researchers go back to the old digests or back to unanswered quetions but I'm not going to overload the site by repeating my request either. I am in Houston near Clayton Library and it's tooms of genealogy information. Likewise, I have looked up answers for others as well. They may have been right here in Houston. I just did it for them and for free. I only asked for directions in San Antonio to the where the Birth Records for 1858 are kept so that I can drive there and look for my Great Grandfather Charles Ray's (b. 1858 in San Antonio) birth certificate. No response! We both know that someone could answer our question very easily. Charles William Ray, Jr. Younger by 86 years 832-328-0649 Houston --- On Wed, 1/21/09, txbexar-request@rootsweb.com <txbexar-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: From: txbexar-request@rootsweb.com <txbexar-request@rootsweb.com> Subject: TXBEXAR Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6 To: txbexar@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 2:03 AM Today's Topics: 1. Please, Please, Please, why do I have to beg you people in Bexar County, Texas, to do an obit lookup? (Michael J. Smith) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 04:04:03 -0600 From: "Michael J. Smith" <msmith4@gt.rr.com> Subject: [TXBEXAR] Please, Please, Please, why do I have to beg you people in Bexar County, Texas, to do an obit lookup? To: <TXBEXAR@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <90A4496E6AB5493FADC28209B77E5307@michael1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi list, Please, Please, Please, why do I have to beg you people in Bexar County, Texas, to do an obit lookup? I do lookups all the time over here in Jefferson County, Texas for people for FREE. If there is no kind soul in Bexar County that will look up this obit for this poor old man, then ad lest point me to the library or someone that I will PAY to do it. This is the obit: Eldridge Deforest ARNOLD, Jr., Died: March 27, 1993 in Bexar County, Texas. I pray that Jesus will bless you and your family with the desires of your hearts. God bless, Michael J. SMITH 124 South 16th Street Nederland, Texas 77627-5119 409-722-7277 stmichael@gt.rr.com ------------------------------ To contact the TXBEXAR list administrator, send an email to TXBEXAR-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the TXBEXAR mailing list, send an email to TXBEXAR@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXBEXAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of TXBEXAR Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6 ************************************* ======================================= Posting of non-genealogical-current events, political opinions, prayers, virus warnings, non-approved solicitations, chain letters, jokes, poems, non-genealogical stories, missing children notices, and flames are not allowed on this list and may be grounds for immediate removal and exclusion from the list. 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The North East Independent School District Community Education Spring 2009 brochure lists the following genealogy courses: Genealogy: The Basics https://communityed.neisd.net/root/CourseDetails.aspx?CourseId=1558 Introduction to Genealogy Software https://communityed.neisd.net/root/CourseDetails.aspx?CourseId=2159 Introduction to Internet Genealogy Research https://communityed.neisd.net/root/CourseDetails.aspx?CourseId=2162 The Academy of Learning in Retirement (ALIR) -- Genealogy https://communityed.neisd.net/root/CourseDetails.aspx?CourseId=1109 Also see the following site for information about genealogy courses and seminars offered through the San Antonio Genealogical and Historical Society and the San Antonio Public Library: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~txsaghs2/Pages/Classes.htm http://www.sanantonio.gov/Library/texana/events/programs.asp Susan Cearlock Tilleman List Administrator

I agree with Ms Varick. I find the souls on this site generous with their time and expertise. I find it terribly wrong to suggest otherwise. I find their suggestions and ideas valuable as I continue the documentation of my families. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: "Tallygators" <tallygators@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 09:20:07 To: <charleswrayjr@prodigy.net>; <txbexar@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [TXBEXAR] TXBEXAR Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6 Over the past several years I have received an awful lot of help from this list. Please remember that not everyone has the answer to your problem - sometimes it is just luck that the right person reads your question. If you go to this website: http://www.kindredtrails.com/TX_Bexar.html You will find the address and phone number of the office of Bexar County vital statistics and lots of other stuff. Since you live close to the Clayton Library, why not ask the librarian there for information concerning Bexar County. Also lots of the San Antonio newspapers are on line. I have looked up information about my families: Loeloff, Gembler, Graf, etc. I started my search back in the late 1960s - even with the help of so many people I still do not have all the answers - maybe I never will but the fun is really in the search and in the great people you meet along the way. Floreda Duke Varick -----Original Message----- From: txbexar-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:txbexar-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of CHARLES RAY Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:20 PM To: txbexar@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TXBEXAR] TXBEXAR Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6 Michael, Seems to me that this site has left many of us wanting. Like you, I sit here waiting for a response. I don't think researchers go back to the old digests or back to unanswered quetions but I'm not going to overload the site by repeating my request either. I am in Houston near Clayton Library and it's tooms of genealogy information. Likewise, I have looked up answers for others as well. They may have been right here in Houston. I just did it for them and for free. I only asked for directions in San Antonio to the where the Birth Records for 1858 are kept so that I can drive there and look for my Great Grandfather Charles Ray's (b. 1858 in San Antonio) birth certificate. No response! We both know that someone could answer our question very easily. Charles William Ray, Jr. Younger by 86 years 832-328-0649 Houston --- On Wed, 1/21/09, txbexar-request@rootsweb.com <txbexar-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: From: txbexar-request@rootsweb.com <txbexar-request@rootsweb.com> Subject: TXBEXAR Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6 To: txbexar@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 2:03 AM Today's Topics: 1. Please, Please, Please, why do I have to beg you people in Bexar County, Texas, to do an obit lookup? (Michael J. Smith) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 04:04:03 -0600 From: "Michael J. Smith" <msmith4@gt.rr.com> Subject: [TXBEXAR] Please, Please, Please, why do I have to beg you people in Bexar County, Texas, to do an obit lookup? To: <TXBEXAR@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <90A4496E6AB5493FADC28209B77E5307@michael1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi list, Please, Please, Please, why do I have to beg you people in Bexar County, Texas, to do an obit lookup? I do lookups all the time over here in Jefferson County, Texas for people for FREE. If there is no kind soul in Bexar County that will look up this obit for this poor old man, then ad lest point me to the library or someone that I will PAY to do it. This is the obit: Eldridge Deforest ARNOLD, Jr., Died: March 27, 1993 in Bexar County, Texas. I pray that Jesus will bless you and your family with the desires of your hearts. God bless, Michael J. SMITH 124 South 16th Street Nederland, Texas 77627-5119 409-722-7277 stmichael@gt.rr.com ------------------------------ To contact the TXBEXAR list administrator, send an email to TXBEXAR-admin@rootsweb.com. 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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: pathan Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.texas.counties.bexar/2735.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I don't live there, so I can't, but there are people there who do. I use very often Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness: www.raogk.org This site contains people who do lookups all over with little or no cost to you. They may be able to help you. Pat Hansen Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Over the past several years I have received an awful lot of help from this list. Please remember that not everyone has the answer to your problem - sometimes it is just luck that the right person reads your question. If you go to this website: http://www.kindredtrails.com/TX_Bexar.html You will find the address and phone number of the office of Bexar County vital statistics and lots of other stuff. Since you live close to the Clayton Library, why not ask the librarian there for information concerning Bexar County. Also lots of the San Antonio newspapers are on line. I have looked up information about my families: Loeloff, Gembler, Graf, etc. I started my search back in the late 1960s - even with the help of so many people I still do not have all the answers - maybe I never will but the fun is really in the search and in the great people you meet along the way. Floreda Duke Varick -----Original Message----- From: txbexar-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:txbexar-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of CHARLES RAY Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:20 PM To: txbexar@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TXBEXAR] TXBEXAR Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6 Michael, Seems to me that this site has left many of us wanting. Like you, I sit here waiting for a response. I don't think researchers go back to the old digests or back to unanswered quetions but I'm not going to overload the site by repeating my request either. I am in Houston near Clayton Library and it's tooms of genealogy information. Likewise, I have looked up answers for others as well. They may have been right here in Houston. I just did it for them and for free. I only asked for directions in San Antonio to the where the Birth Records for 1858 are kept so that I can drive there and look for my Great Grandfather Charles Ray's (b. 1858 in San Antonio) birth certificate. No response! We both know that someone could answer our question very easily. Charles William Ray, Jr. Younger by 86 years 832-328-0649 Houston --- On Wed, 1/21/09, txbexar-request@rootsweb.com <txbexar-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: From: txbexar-request@rootsweb.com <txbexar-request@rootsweb.com> Subject: TXBEXAR Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6 To: txbexar@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 2:03 AM Today's Topics: 1. Please, Please, Please, why do I have to beg you people in Bexar County, Texas, to do an obit lookup? (Michael J. Smith) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 04:04:03 -0600 From: "Michael J. Smith" <msmith4@gt.rr.com> Subject: [TXBEXAR] Please, Please, Please, why do I have to beg you people in Bexar County, Texas, to do an obit lookup? To: <TXBEXAR@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <90A4496E6AB5493FADC28209B77E5307@michael1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi list, Please, Please, Please, why do I have to beg you people in Bexar County, Texas, to do an obit lookup? I do lookups all the time over here in Jefferson County, Texas for people for FREE. If there is no kind soul in Bexar County that will look up this obit for this poor old man, then ad lest point me to the library or someone that I will PAY to do it. This is the obit: Eldridge Deforest ARNOLD, Jr., Died: March 27, 1993 in Bexar County, Texas. I pray that Jesus will bless you and your family with the desires of your hearts. God bless, Michael J. SMITH 124 South 16th Street Nederland, Texas 77627-5119 409-722-7277 stmichael@gt.rr.com ------------------------------ To contact the TXBEXAR list administrator, send an email to TXBEXAR-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the TXBEXAR mailing list, send an email to TXBEXAR@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXBEXAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of TXBEXAR Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6 ************************************* ======================================= Posting of non-genealogical-current events, political opinions, prayers, virus warnings, non-approved solicitations, chain letters, jokes, poems, non-genealogical stories, missing children notices, and flames are not allowed on this list and may be grounds for immediate removal and exclusion from the list. Questions or comments about this policy may be directed to your list administrator, Susan Cearlock Tilleman, at the following address: setilleman@gmail.com . Also remember not to block receiving mail from another list member unless you are subscribed in digest mode. The RootsWeb software automatically removes subscribers from the mailing list who are causing excessive bounces. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXBEXAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In addition to my earlier suggestion of RAOGK, you might try the San Antonio Genealogical & Historical Society http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~txsaghs2/ They indicate that they do research. You might also try the San Antonio Public Library http://www.sanantonio.gov/Library/ Scroll to the bottom of the main page for contact .... they may be able to answer your question as to where birth records for 1858 are ---- if there are any! http://www.countyclerk.bexar.landata.com/ Bexar County Clerk's office. Check out the Bexar County Archives - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~usgenweb/tx/bexar/bextoc.htm They have some later (after 1900) birth records listed. Might as well go a step further for those researching in Bexar Co- http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/arc/local/bexar.html Texas State Archives' microfilm --- these are all available on Interlibrary Loan .... Officially the Texas birth records began in 1903, not fully implemented until ca. 1910. Of course when social security came in, many people filed Delayed Births -- even though born in another state, you will often find they obtained a TX delayed birth certificate. There are, of course, earlier births .... filed in odd places. If Catholic, church records are usually an excellent source. I'm off to the dentist but when I return I'll see if I can come up with anything else. Trevia Wooster Beverly Huston, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "CHARLES RAY" <charleswrayjr@prodigy.net> To: <txbexar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [TXBEXAR] TXBEXAR Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6 Michael, Seems to me that this site has left many of us wanting. Like you, I sit here waiting for a response. I don't think researchers go back to the old digests or back to unanswered quetions but I'm not going to overload the site by repeating my request either. I am in Houston near Clayton Library and it's tooms of genealogy information. Likewise, I have looked up answers for others as well. They may have been right here in Houston. I just did it for them and for free. I only asked for directions in San Antonio to the where the Birth Records for 1858 are kept so that I can drive there and look for my Great Grandfather Charles Ray's (b. 1858 in San Antonio) birth certificate. No response! We both know that someone could answer our question very easily. Charles William Ray, Jr. Younger by 86 years 832-328-0649 Houston --- On Wed, 1/21/09, txbexar-request@rootsweb.com <txbexar-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: From: txbexar-request@rootsweb.com <txbexar-request@rootsweb.com> Subject: TXBEXAR Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6 To: txbexar@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 2:03 AM Today's Topics: 1. Please, Please, Please, why do I have to beg you people in Bexar County, Texas, to do an obit lookup? (Michael J. Smith) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 04:04:03 -0600 From: "Michael J. Smith" <msmith4@gt.rr.com> Subject: [TXBEXAR] Please, Please, Please, why do I have to beg you people in Bexar County, Texas, to do an obit lookup? To: <TXBEXAR@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <90A4496E6AB5493FADC28209B77E5307@michael1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi list, Please, Please, Please, why do I have to beg you people in Bexar County, Texas, to do an obit lookup? I do lookups all the time over here in Jefferson County, Texas for people for FREE. If there is no kind soul in Bexar County that will look up this obit for this poor old man, then ad lest point me to the library or someone that I will PAY to do it. This is the obit: Eldridge Deforest ARNOLD, Jr., Died: March 27, 1993 in Bexar County, Texas. I pray that Jesus will bless you and your family with the desires of your hearts. God bless, Michael J. SMITH 124 South 16th Street Nederland, Texas 77627-5119 409-722-7277 stmichael@gt.rr.com ------------------------------ To contact the TXBEXAR list administrator, send an email to TXBEXAR-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the TXBEXAR mailing list, send an email to TXBEXAR@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXBEXAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of TXBEXAR Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6 ************************************* ======================================= Posting of non-genealogical-current events, political opinions, prayers, virus warnings, non-approved solicitations, chain letters, jokes, poems, non-genealogical stories, missing children notices, and flames are not allowed on this list and may be grounds for immediate removal and exclusion from the list. 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Michael, Seems to me that this site has left many of us wanting.  Like you, I sit here waiting for a response. I don't think researchers go back to the old digests or back to unanswered quetions but I'm not going to overload the site by repeating my request either.   I am in Houston near Clayton Library and it's tooms of genealogy information.  Likewise, I have looked up answers for others as well.  They may have been right here in Houston.  I just did it for them and for free.   I only asked for directions in San Antonio to the where the Birth Records for 1858 are kept so that I can drive there and look for my Great Grandfather Charles Ray's (b. 1858 in San Antonio) birth certificate.  No response!    We both know that someone could answer our question very easily. Charles William Ray, Jr. Younger by 86 years 832-328-0649 Houston --- On Wed, 1/21/09, txbexar-request@rootsweb.com <txbexar-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: From: txbexar-request@rootsweb.com <txbexar-request@rootsweb.com> Subject: TXBEXAR Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6 To: txbexar@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 2:03 AM Today's Topics: 1. Please, Please, Please, why do I have to beg you people in Bexar County, Texas, to do an obit lookup? (Michael J. Smith) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 04:04:03 -0600 From: "Michael J. Smith" <msmith4@gt.rr.com> Subject: [TXBEXAR] Please, Please, Please, why do I have to beg you people in Bexar County, Texas, to do an obit lookup? To: <TXBEXAR@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <90A4496E6AB5493FADC28209B77E5307@michael1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi list, Please, Please, Please, why do I have to beg you people in Bexar County, Texas, to do an obit lookup? I do lookups all the time over here in Jefferson County, Texas for people for FREE. If there is no kind soul in Bexar County that will look up this obit for this poor old man, then ad lest point me to the library or someone that I will PAY to do it. This is the obit: Eldridge Deforest ARNOLD, Jr., Died: March 27, 1993 in Bexar County, Texas. I pray that Jesus will bless you and your family with the desires of your hearts. God bless, Michael J. SMITH 124 South 16th Street Nederland, Texas 77627-5119 409-722-7277 stmichael@gt.rr.com ------------------------------ To contact the TXBEXAR list administrator, send an email to TXBEXAR-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the TXBEXAR mailing list, send an email to TXBEXAR@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXBEXAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of TXBEXAR Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6 *************************************

I looked this up. There is no obituary for Eldridge Deforest Arnold Jr in any Express-News issue from Mar 27, 1993 to April 9, 1993. Just because someone dies here does not mean his obit will be in the paper. A family has to pay to have an obit published and some opt out. Cynthia On Jan 21, 2009, at 2:03 AM, txbexar-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Please, Please, Please, why do I have to beg you people in > Bexar County, Texas, to do an obit lookup? (Michael J. Smith) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 04:04:03 -0600 > From: "Michael J. Smith" <msmith4@gt.rr.com> > Subject: [TXBEXAR] Please, Please, Please, why do I have to beg you > people in Bexar County, Texas, to do an obit lookup? > To: <TXBEXAR@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <90A4496E6AB5493FADC28209B77E5307@michael1> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi list, > > Please, Please, Please, why do I have to beg you people in Bexar > County, > Texas, to do an obit lookup? I do lookups all the time over here in > Jefferson County, Texas for people for FREE. If there is no kind soul > in > Bexar County that will look up this obit for this poor old man, then > ad lest > point me to the library or someone that I will PAY to do it. This is > the > obit: Eldridge Deforest ARNOLD, Jr., Died: March 27, 1993 in Bexar > County, > Texas. I pray that Jesus will bless you and your family with the > desires of > your hearts. > > God bless, > > Michael J. SMITH > > 124 South 16th Street > > Nederland, Texas 77627-5119 > > 409-722-7277 > > stmichael@gt.rr.com > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the TXBEXAR list administrator, send an email to > TXBEXAR-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the TXBEXAR mailing list, send an email to > TXBEXAR@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXBEXAR-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of TXBEXAR Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6 > ************************************* > > Cynthia Leal Massey Award-winning author of Helotes, Where The Texas Hill Country Begins The Caballeros of Ruby, Texas Fire Lilies, A Novel of the Mexican Revolution www.cynthialealmassey.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: cadds Surnames: GARCIA/GONZALES/CARNEY Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.texas.counties.bexar/859.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Emilio, I have received a message from you, which was posted via Ancestry.com, which is a wonderful surprise!!!!!! My name is Julie Caddaye, and I live in Melbourne - Australia. I am 44 years of age. I am not sure if you have been provided any information of my family connection with "THE CARNEY" family. (Via family members in San Antonio, Texas), But if not, my relationship is as follows: - My mother's maiden name was - LOLA CARNEY, (she was born in 1943 here in Australia & still lives here). Her father is LOUIS CARNEY Snr. My mother was named after "Lola Carney"- Grandpa's Sister. My mother was four (4) years old when my Grandpa left Australia to return to the USA. My mother was unable to locate his whereabouts since that time, which was back in 1947. The "only" piece of documentation we had to refer to, was "ONE LETTER" dated 1947, which was written from "LOLA CARNEY", addressed to my Grandmother here in Australia (my mother's Mother, who is now in her 80's and still living). Inclusive were some photos. We have a photo of "Emilio Garcia" from 1947 (which shows a baby sitting in a high chair, the notation on the back of this indicates that the child was approx. 10 months old - at that time). Perhaps this photos is "of you"??????? After many years of tracing, re-search & endless hours of time - I managed to eventually trace/locate family members - it was a miracle! Approx. 5 years ago, we started to correspond & communicate with "THE CARNEY FAMILY", in Texas. My husband and myself have since visited San Antonio on two (2) occasions and were fortunate enough to have this wonderful opportunity. My mother & I remain in regular contact with THE CARNEY'S. Unfortunately, my mother is unable to travel to the States as my father is disabled and has been for approx. 18 years. We have also spoken via "webcam" to San Antonio on a few occasions - this has been fantastic! I have on a few occasions, tried to conact you via various website options - but to date "have had no luck". Trusting this information brings many wonderful opportunities your way & enables "our family tree" to become re-united. Looking forward to hearing from you shortly. Take care - JULIE CADDAYE. cadds@netspace.net.au Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bibog13 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.texas.counties.bexar/859.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Contact : Emilio C. Garcia Jr. at emilio.c.garcia@lmco.com Seward M. Carney was my Grandfather,Grandma was Cuca looking for Gracndpa's side of the family. Grandma's too. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: oStMichael Surnames: ARNOLD Classification: obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.texas.counties.bexar/2735/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Please, Please, Please, why do I have to beg you people in Bexar County, Texas, to do an obit lookup? I do lookups all the time over here in Jefferson County, Texas for people for FREE. If there is no kind soul in Bexar County that will look up this obit for this poor old man, then ad lest point me to the library or someone that I will PAY to do it. This is the obit: Eldridge Deforest ARNOLD, Jr., Died: March 27, 1993 in Bexar County, Texas. I pray that Jesus will bless you and your family with the desires of your hearts. God bless, Michael J. SMITH 124 South 16th Street Nederland, Texas 77627-5119 409-722-7277 stmichael@gt.rr.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Michael, I'm sorry you are having a problem. I don't live in Bexar Co, so I'm out. Have your tried RAGOK (Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness)? There may be someone on that volunteer list that could help you. http://www.raogk.org/ Quick List .... http://www.raogk.org/listing.htm 8 people listed for Bexar Co - several who do obit look-ups. Good Luck! Trevia Wooster Beverly Houston, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael J. Smith" <msmith4@gt.rr.com> To: <TXBEXAR@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:04 AM Subject: [TXBEXAR] Please, Please, Please,why do I have to beg you people in Bexar County, Texas,to do an obit lookup? > Hi list, > > Please, Please, Please, why do I have to beg you people in Bexar County, > Texas, to do an obit lookup? I do lookups all the time over here in > Jefferson County, Texas for people for FREE. If there is no kind soul in > Bexar County that will look up this obit for this poor old man, then ad > lest > point me to the library or someone that I will PAY to do it. This is the > obit: Eldridge Deforest ARNOLD, Jr., Died: March 27, 1993 in Bexar County, > Texas. I pray that Jesus will bless you and your family with the desires > of > your hearts. > > God bless, > > Michael J. SMITH > > 124 South 16th Street > > Nederland, Texas 77627-5119 > > 409-722-7277 > > stmichael@gt.rr.com > > > > ======================================= > > Posting of non-genealogical-current events, political opinions, prayers, > virus warnings, non-approved solicitations, chain letters, jokes, poems, > non-genealogical stories, missing children notices, and flames are not > allowed on this list and may be grounds for immediate removal and > exclusion from the list. Questions or comments about this policy may be > directed to your list administrator, Susan Cearlock Tilleman, at the > following address: > setilleman@gmail.com . > > Also remember not to block receiving mail from another list member unless > you are subscribed in digest mode. The RootsWeb software automatically > removes subscribers from the mailing list who are causing excessive > bounces. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXBEXAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi list, Please, Please, Please, why do I have to beg you people in Bexar County, Texas, to do an obit lookup? I do lookups all the time over here in Jefferson County, Texas for people for FREE. If there is no kind soul in Bexar County that will look up this obit for this poor old man, then ad lest point me to the library or someone that I will PAY to do it. This is the obit: Eldridge Deforest ARNOLD, Jr., Died: March 27, 1993 in Bexar County, Texas. I pray that Jesus will bless you and your family with the desires of your hearts. God bless, Michael J. SMITH 124 South 16th Street Nederland, Texas 77627-5119 409-722-7277 stmichael@gt.rr.com

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AnjoTex Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.texas.counties.bexar/1074.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Interesting, but I would suggest that you have a look at the death certificates for Bertha and her children in Family Search's Records Search: http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=0 Bertha's maiden name was Cooley or Kuhli/Kuhle. Cooley was just an Americanization of the German name. She was the daughter of Johann and Caroline Kuhli. The family lived in New Braunfels, Comal Co. Bertha and her brother Carl/Charles seemed to use the Cooley name, but their brother Ottmar went by Kuhle. Bertha's husband was John M.(onroe) Watkins. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: irishds Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.texas.counties.bexar/2702.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I don't know who his parents were. That is why I was hoping to find an obituary. I thought that it might say. I was born a Tucker and married a Delaney. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: SharonDS42 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.texas.counties.bexar/2702.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Was he the son or grandson of Roseanna Delaney & Henry Jefferson Tucker? They had a son, William, born Oct 1898, probably Goliad, TX. Roseanna's brother was my grandfather. Sharon Delaney Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: wnieber Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.texas.counties.bexar/2602.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Jennifer Sue, Garie's maiden name was Smith. Her parents were Daniel Porter Smith and Martha Jane Maule. Daniel's mother is part of my family (my 3rd great grandmother's sister) Walter Nieber Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.