Your best bet for a death certificate is the inner city. METRO HEALTH San Antonio Health Department.

It was a plus on Sarah Cemetery List when I found people from Stubbeville,Ohio Jefferson County. My dads ancestor was Robert McClain married Patience Piles. The McClains migrated form Loudoun County VA to Point Marion Pa then to Jefferson County to Toronto,Ohio near Island Creek .Robert McClain born Scotland 1746.

Hi list members, I am trying to find out where my relative was buried. And any living cousins. Here is what I have for him: William DAVIS (William Raymond) Birth Date: 23 Apr 1904 Death Date: Apr 1967 Social Security Number: 465-05-6925 State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: Texas ======================================================= 1920 Tx census Name: George W Davis Age: 61 years Estimated birth year: abt 1859 Birthplace: Illinois Race: White Home in 1920: Precinct 1, Anderson, Texas Roll: T625_1772 Page: 1A ED: 1 Image: 0003 -------------- Davis, George W. age 61 Il/Il/Il wife: Nora age 57 Il/Il/Il son: Raymond age 15 Tx/Il/Il =========================================

In a message dated 6/8/2005 3:11:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Sarah, Have a little concern for other list members that have to read you ramblings.... Try to e-mail others who are interested in your project directly and not through the rootsweb site -- the way I am sending this message to you and not the rest of the rootsweb members who are tired of hearing from you. Thanks, Bill Sanders [email protected] I still got the e-mail Bill. I am personally interested as I have family buried there. Vickie in CA.

Hi, list members, I am saddened and disappointed by the response to this problem. It is nation wide from what I have read on other mailing lists and I have never read anything like what has been said here. The negative attitudes are a lot of the reason for all of us losing so much about our past. We lost the 1890 census because noone bothered to dry out the census papers. They did not all burn. They were left to mold and rot in a hallway after the fire. "It would take too much time and money to clean and dry them" That attitude is just tragic. G. Winters ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 5:10 PM Subject: tired of hearing from you. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Sanders > To: Sarah > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 4:47 PM > Subject: Re: Baby Daughter Sara Gray - last post gnite! > > > Sarah, > > Have a little concern for other list members that have to read you > ramblings.... Try to e-mail others who are interested in your project > directly and not through the rootsweb site -- the way I am sending this > message to you and not the rest of the rootsweb members who are tired of > hearing from you. > > Thanks, > > Bill Sanders > [email protected] > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sarah" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 10:20 PM > Subject: Baby Daughter Sara Gray - last post gnite! > > > > One day one of the policemen drove by and we chatted. > > > > He was delighted that we were getting the cemetery cleaned up, and told me > > there was a plot in particular that was always a problem. A few weeks ago > > they found a man dead there, from a drug overdose. It is a popular spot > > for heroin addicts, and the ground always has balloons and needles. I > > followed him to the plot, and I was horrified. It was one of the few > > plots that are maintained by the family. The fact that the grass is always > > cut makes it a pleasant spot for drug addicts. > > Overgrown brush hides it from the street. Plots on each side are overgrown > > as well, with high bushes, so the Dewees plot can only be seen if you are > > standing directly in front of it. There are two overgrown bushes at each > > front corner, creating totally hidden spots on each side. That's where > > Baby Sara is. If you look closely at the ground you can see balloons. > > Baloons are actually those little colored balloons you buy for parties, > > but they fill them with cocaine, leave the used balloon on the ground, and > > the lawnmower must miss them. One was right at Baby Sara's headstone, > > where the overdose victim left it. We didn't see any needles in one corner > > where they usually were, he said often the next addict picks them up. > > > > The officer said the man died of the overdose on top of Baby Daughter Sara > > Gray's grave, his feet resting on her tombstone that said she lived only 3 > > days. His head was near near Caiaphas Ham, the pioneer who came to Texas > > with Jim Bowie and his brother Rezin. > > > > I thought he was putting me on. But I found the news story... > > > > Cemetery buffs find above-ground body > > Web Posted: 04/18/2005 12:00 AM CDT > > Vianna Davila > > Express-News Staff Writer > > > > A couple searching for the oldest graves they could find in an East Side > > cemetery stumbled across the body of an unidentified man Saturday evening > > lying next to a headstone. > > > > A historical marker for the grave of Alamo preservationist Clara Driscoll > > compelled Todd and Debra Girgus to stop in the Masonic Cemetery-Alamo > > Lodge > > in the 1700 block of East Commerce Street. They had been strolling for > > about 30 minutes in the cemetery, which contains the graves of San Antonio > > notables including the Menger and Frost families, when Todd Girgus spotted > > the body. At first, he thought the man was asleep. > > > > "We go into cemeteries because we're big history buffs, but we've never > > found one above ground before," he said. Girgus then called EMS from a > > cell phone. Investigators were awaiting autopsy results to determine the > > cause of death, said police Detective Robert Blanton. He said there were > > no obvious signs of foul play. He suspected the body had been in the > > location for less than two days. The deceased carried no identification. > > He wore a white shirt and tan slacks. Blanton said he believed the man was > > more than 50 years old. > > ***** > > > > The brush along the street is far too dense for me to cut, but the next > > day I chopped away all the brush that hid Baby Sara from view of the > > policemen. > > > > > > ============================== > > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

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----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Sanders To: Sarah Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 4:47 PM Subject: Re: Baby Daughter Sara Gray - last post gnite! Sarah, Have a little concern for other list members that have to read you ramblings.... Try to e-mail others who are interested in your project directly and not through the rootsweb site -- the way I am sending this message to you and not the rest of the rootsweb members who are tired of hearing from you. Thanks, Bill Sanders [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 10:20 PM Subject: Baby Daughter Sara Gray - last post gnite! > One day one of the policemen drove by and we chatted. > > He was delighted that we were getting the cemetery cleaned up, and told me > there was a plot in particular that was always a problem. A few weeks ago > they found a man dead there, from a drug overdose. It is a popular spot > for heroin addicts, and the ground always has balloons and needles. I > followed him to the plot, and I was horrified. It was one of the few > plots that are maintained by the family. The fact that the grass is always > cut makes it a pleasant spot for drug addicts. > Overgrown brush hides it from the street. Plots on each side are overgrown > as well, with high bushes, so the Dewees plot can only be seen if you are > standing directly in front of it. There are two overgrown bushes at each > front corner, creating totally hidden spots on each side. That's where > Baby Sara is. If you look closely at the ground you can see balloons. > Baloons are actually those little colored balloons you buy for parties, > but they fill them with cocaine, leave the used balloon on the ground, and > the lawnmower must miss them. One was right at Baby Sara's headstone, > where the overdose victim left it. We didn't see any needles in one corner > where they usually were, he said often the next addict picks them up. > > The officer said the man died of the overdose on top of Baby Daughter Sara > Gray's grave, his feet resting on her tombstone that said she lived only 3 > days. His head was near near Caiaphas Ham, the pioneer who came to Texas > with Jim Bowie and his brother Rezin. > > I thought he was putting me on. But I found the news story... > > Cemetery buffs find above-ground body > Web Posted: 04/18/2005 12:00 AM CDT > Vianna Davila > Express-News Staff Writer > > A couple searching for the oldest graves they could find in an East Side > cemetery stumbled across the body of an unidentified man Saturday evening > lying next to a headstone. > > A historical marker for the grave of Alamo preservationist Clara Driscoll > compelled Todd and Debra Girgus to stop in the Masonic Cemetery-Alamo > Lodge > in the 1700 block of East Commerce Street. They had been strolling for > about 30 minutes in the cemetery, which contains the graves of San Antonio > notables including the Menger and Frost families, when Todd Girgus spotted > the body. At first, he thought the man was asleep. > > "We go into cemeteries because we're big history buffs, but we've never > found one above ground before," he said. Girgus then called EMS from a > cell phone. Investigators were awaiting autopsy results to determine the > cause of death, said police Detective Robert Blanton. He said there were > no obvious signs of foul play. He suspected the body had been in the > location for less than two days. The deceased carried no identification. > He wore a white shirt and tan slacks. Blanton said he believed the man was > more than 50 years old. > ***** > > The brush along the street is far too dense for me to cut, but the next > day I chopped away all the brush that hid Baby Sara from view of the > policemen. > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > >

----- Original Message ----- From: Clarence Simpson To: 'Sarah' Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 4:53 PM Subject: RE: taking to much of my time to get rid of your postings You've hijacked this list! This is not ALL about you. You're doing a great job and are much appreciated but we don't have to know every move you make and every thought you have. This is not a chat room. Please curb your incessant stream of emails. Thanks for all you do. Where is the list administrator when we need one? CS -----Original Message----- From: Sarah [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 3:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: taking to much of my time to get rid of your postings Gee Ed, are you a Mason, lodge #44? ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 3:27 PM Subject: Re: State & national cemetery laws I don't know who you are. or what your plans are. It is taking to much of my time to get rid of your postings. Please stop sending what ever you are sending. EDHILL ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Hi everybody, Have the flyers in hand. Decided the best thing to do was copy photos of the beer cans, broken gravestones, brush, condoms (yes you read that correctly) etc on one side, then actual letters from the Alamo Masons in charge on the other side, so no one can accuse me of making things up. They already said I "take peoples words and twist them to make yourself look like a rescuing angel." If anyone can join me, go to 308 Avenue E, it's the BIG building on Avenue E & 3rd, a few blocks north of River Center mall, near the Express News. I may have on my Rescuing Angel's wings. ;-) Sarah

That is OK! Next time tell it to one of my cousins RIP Griffin!

Sorry, Ross, I meant this to go to the list not directly at you. (Bowing in apology) G. Winters ----- Original Message ----- From: "g.winters" <[email protected]> To: "Ross McClain" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 4:30 PM Subject: Re: Y'all have energized me! > GRRRRRRRRRRR, that is a "yeah, right" Ross. lol. 'Movers' and 'shakers' > are > the ones who make this world go around. Whether men or women. (Smiling at > the > men.) If the men would do their 'honeydew' projects, we would be able to > keep > silent. NOT!!!!!! And caring for ancestors last resting places should be > at the > top of that list. > > G. Winters > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ross McClain" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 4:19 PM > Subject: Re: Y'all have energized me! > > > > That is great work you are doing Sarah ! From a York Rite Mason In Okla > > City. High Tempered Women Should Strive to Keep Silent! LOL > > > > > > ============================== > > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > >

Thanks. ;-) Working on a little flyer to hand out as they walk into their meeting tonite. ;-) Sarah ----- Original Message ----- From: Ross McClain To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 4:19 PM Subject: Re: Y'all have energized me! That is great work you are doing Sarah ! From a York Rite Mason In Okla City. High Tempered Women Should Strive to Keep Silent! LOL ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

The individual vets are, not the actual historical markers, tho... Hmmm...hadn't thought about that... ;-) (rev-e-ley) what an apt name for someone who is seeking justice for the dead.....wake up with reveille.. WILL BE WILLING TO CHIP IN ON A HISTORICAL MARKER. THOUGHT THEY WERE DONATED BY THE GOVERNMENT.... ONE WAS PUT ON MY 3X GR GRDAD'S TOMBSTONE IN TOWNS CO GA. THOUGHT THE GOV'T SUPPLIED IT. KEEP YOUR EYES PEELED FOR ANY FISHER, FLEMING, MCGUIRE, COCKS FAMILITES FOR MY GENEA RESEARCH. MARGARET >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 12:07:02 -0500 "Sarah" <[email protected]> writes: > I have gotten more off-list response from this mailing list than any > other, about 'my' cemetery as well as ones you are concerned about, > > From: Sarah > To: Annette Bethke [email protected] > Virginia Nicholas [email protected] > Cc: Jan Cortez > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 11:47 AM > Subject: Re: CHC for Bexar County? > > > Thank you so much. I'm trying to get the sadly neglected Alamo > > Frost (bank) > Menger (hotel & soap factory) > Meusebach (Mr. Meusebach founded Fredericksburg and made the peace treaty > with the Indians) > Onderdonk (famous regional artist) > Cotton, Smith, Schmeltzer, Jenkins (all members of Terry's Texas > Rangers) > Newcomb (Texas Secretary of State) > Van Riper (Texas Ranger) > Ham (came to Texas with Jim and Rezin Bowie) > Huth (involved in the colonization of Castroville) > Smith (daughter of Erastus "Deaf" Smith) > and with their own markers: > Sinclair (wrote "The Eyes of Texas") > Driscoll (saved the Alamo for goodness sake!) > >> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:42 AM > Subject: RE: CHC for Bexar County? > > The chairperson for Bexar County Historical Commission is: > > Virginia S Nicholas > 117 Stanford > San Antonio TX 78212-2009 > 210/826-7136 > [email protected] > > Annette Bethke > Texas Historical Commission > History Programs > 512/463-1305 > [email protected] > > From: Sarah [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 9:22 PM > To: Annette Bethke > Subject: CHC for Bexar County? > Importance: High > > Can you please tell me who the County Historic Commission is for > Bexar County? > > Thanks, > Sarah Reveley (rev-e-ley) what an apt name for someone who is > seeking justice for the dead.....wake up with reveille.. > San Antonio >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

That is great work you are doing Sarah ! From a York Rite Mason In Okla City. High Tempered Women Should Strive to Keep Silent! LOL

Gee Ed, are you a Mason, lodge #44? ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 3:27 PM Subject: Re: State & national cemetery laws I don't know who you are. or what your plans are. It is taking to much of my time to get rid of your postings. Please stop sending what ever you are sending. EDHILL

This is a GREAT mailing list! You have no idea how much I appreciate your interest, concerns, and ideas. Please keep them coming! Sarah Task Force to Save the Alamo Masonic Cemetery Chairman (don't tell the masons that me and the cemetery residents are the only ones on the task force)

Thanks, that's where I started to find her email address. Turns out it should be [email protected] , not asconservation.org. Gerrard Hite has not returned my emails, except for acknowledging the first one. He is the THC cemetery person. I have been keeping him posted since day 1. I called Virginia Nicholas, she is a lovely lady and had me email her everything from the beginning. Sounds like she is going to get something done! I'm familiar with the State guidelines, have been ignored by both the county commissioner and the state because it is owned by a fraternal organization. Virginia tells me there are new state laws in the works. NATIONAL ACT? Oh geez...gotta read that. But right now I am working on the flyer to pass out to the Masons tonite, as the attend their monthly meeting...... xxx Sarah ----- Original Message ----- From: Adrian Lopez To: Sarah Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 3:08 PM Subject: Re: Never mind those email addresses! Hi, I am on the mailing list, so I've been receiving your e-mails on the attempt to help clean up the cemetary. I know you don't have a whole lot of time to research,( I will see if I can find some info. too) but try the Texas Historical Commission website. They do have guidelines to historic preservation, info. on placing property under the national register, and compliance with laws to protect historical and archeological sites. I think the cemetery may fall under the National historic preservation act. Now I don’t know the particulars about doing this, (who takes on the job, ownership.....)but I'm sure it is explained on the site. I do know this will keep the cemetery from ever being developed or destroyed, as for who will take the brunt of keeping it up to par, I don’t know. Hope this helps! Sincerely, Izel

>>That was beautiful and eloquent. Thanks for sharing.<< Kath Thanks, I love it, too. Someone shared it with me, so I always pass it on. Sarah ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 7:50 PM Subject: The Story Tellers > The Story Tellers > > We are the chosen. > > My feelings are in each family there is one who seems called to find the > ancestors. > > To put flesh on their bones and make them live again, > > To tell the family story and to feel that somehow they know and approve. > > To me, doing genealogy is not a cold gathering of facts but, instead, > > Breathing life into all who have gone before. > > We are the story tellers of the tribe. All tribes have one. > > We have been called as it were by our genes. > Those who have gone before cry out to us: Tell our story. > > So, we do. > > In finding them, we somehow find ourselves. > How many graves have I stood before now and cried? I have lost count. > > > > How many times have I told the ancestors you have a wonderful family, you > would be proud of us? > How many times have I walked up to a grave and felt somehow there was love > there for me? > > I cannot say. > It goes beyond just documenting facts. It goes to who am I and why do I do > the things I do? > > It goes to seeing a cemetery about to be lost forever to weeds and > indifference > > And saying I can't let this happen. > > The bones here are bones of my bone and flesh of my flesh. > > It goes to doing something about it. > It goes to pride in what our ancestors were able to accomplish. > > How they contributed to what we are today. > > It goes to respecting their hardships and losses, their never giving in or > giving up, > Their resoluteness to go on and build a life for their family. > > It goes to deep pride that they fought to make and keep us a Nation. > > It goes to a deep and immense understanding that they were doing it for > us. > That we might be born who we are. > > That we might remember them. So we do. > > With love and caring and scribing each fact of their existence, > > Because we are them and they are us. > > > > So, as a scribe called, I tell the story of my family. > > It is up to that one called in the next generation, > > To answer the call and take their place in the long line of family > storytellers. > That is why I do my family genealogy, > > And that is what calls those young and old to step up > > And put flesh on the bones. > > [Author Unknown]

Great idea, THANKS!!!! Sarah STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT SOMEONE CONTACT THE SAN ANTONIO, TX. 'THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS' (LDS-MORMONS. THEY WILL WITHOUT A DOUBT GIVE AID IN CLEANING OUT THE CEMETERY. THEY CLEAN SCHOOL YARDS & MANY OTHER PLACES THAT NEED THE HELP. DON'T LET THE IDEA OF RELIGION STAND IN THE WAY OF SEEKING HELP... THE LOCAL BISHOP WILL DO ALL IN THEIR POWER TO HELP ON THINGS OF THIS NATURE. THEY ARE ALWAYS THE FIRST AT ANY KIND OF DISASTER OR EMERGENCY. KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE.... IF SOME OF THE PEOPLE DIED FOR US, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO FOR THEM. MARGARET FOSTER-Bradley -- CALIF VIA OKLA & TX. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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