Hi everyone from across the Big Pond ! I first posted to this List at the end of last year in the hunt for my husband's great uncle James Hull, who it was rumoured had come to the USA and settled in Texas. I took a look at the Archives for the List first and searched on 'Hull' and got zero for all the 6 years on there. Then I thought I would 'browse' the List and found the probable reason why - it was an extremely QUIET List ! Most months seemed to be in single figures and the highest was 26 back in August 2000. Anyway I posted my initial enquiry and was delighted at the rapid response. Within a day I not only knew for sure that it was the right James Hull, but had been given his marriage, his children and their marriages, plus the family on the 1900/1910 and 1920 ! Then I was helped again just recently to find the family on the 1930 and on WW1 draft documents. My husband was absolutely gobsmacked ! However I was a little disappointed as to how quiet it was and was convinced that there must be only about 8 people subscribed to this List. Sarah with her wonderful enthusiam in attempting to bring the dreadful situation in the Alamo Masonic Cemetery to light,has managed to completely revitalise it and suddenly there are loads of people on it! Messages not only about the Cemetery and how to sort it out, but other people also asking about other things. I personally learn an awful lot about an area and the people by reading all the different mail that comes to a List. James Allison Hull, James Hull's son, would have been born a Texan,would have thought like one and developed values because of where he was born and lived. This is important to me as the family genie. I also pick up information about where to search for things - and this is particularly important when you dont live in the country as you dont know what is available. Searching in the USA is much easier for you because of the freedom you are given with public data. In the UK we dont have Social Security indexes, we also have an archaic 100 years law which prevents us from accessing censuses after 1901 and lots of other things we are prevented from viewing for 50 years. Judging by the response to Sarah's original rallying call, I would say that she did this List a great favour and should be given a medal not wacked off the List! Perhaps the administator got rudely woken up and had to actually do something for a change, but I think he/she is seriously out of line to take note of what could only be a small number of complaints by people who couldnt be bothered to unsubscribe or didnt know how to do it (judging by the number sent to the list). On every other Rootsweb List that I have joined, I have received a welcome letter from the Administrator telling me their name, along with a list of what won't be tolerated on the List. (I keep them just incase) 'Flaming' is one of them described thus, but I dont see anything that Sarah said which would be covered by this:- Flame Originally, "flame" meant to carry forth in a passionate manner in the spirit of honorable debate. Flames most often involved the use of flowery language and flaming well was an art form. More recently flame has come to refer to any kind of derogatory comment no matter how witless or crude. Flame War When an online discussion degenerates into a series of personal attacks against the debators, rather than discussion of their positions. A heated exchange The email I received from TXBEXAR when I first joined, contains nothing at all except for 'welcome' how to subscribe and unsubscribe and the other usual info about posting. So is it possible that this List doesnt actually have an administrator because it is so quiet? Perhaps it has been managed as a sideline by somebody at Rootsweb ?? If you want to follow the course of events anew and see how things degenerated because of a couple of other individuals, take a look at the archives here. http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TXBEXAR/ I shall email the mystery bod for Sarah's sake, and thank you Sarah for all your time and effort and info that you have posted on here. All power to your elbow girl !! Simone (In England's lush green pastures) Ps Hubby is also a Freemason and adds his good wishes to Sarah in her endeavours ! -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 12 June 2005 16:41 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Why is Sarah blocked because Mailing Lists is what genealogy is all about. I also belong to several mailing list. The more the mailing list the more the information and knowledge. I love my genealogy emails no matter how many emails I get. There was no reason for Sarah to be blocked. The ONLY reason to block someone is if they are sending obscene email and using fowl abusive language. I can also see someone being blocked if they come on here and try and sell a product. Sarah did neither, all she did was to inform the board of the cemetery problems and try to find solutions to fix the problem. She has been a victim of a circuit of individuals who are somehow connected to one another and has blocked her from OUR list. As I have said before, the Bexar County list is the quietest list I am a member of. It is probably one of the oldest and largest counties with the most history, but this list rarely receives emails. It has finally given the list the opportunity to wake up. Ron Hesdorff

Here is the email Sarah received from the RootsWeb staff. ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Billinghurst To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 11:26 AM Subject: {RootsWeb calling} Cease and desist Sarah, It is time to stop your abuse of RootsWeb's mailing lists and your badgering behaviour on our lists. All of RootsWeb's mailing lists are themed for specific discussion, and you will keep to topic. If you are unwilling or unable to keep to topic, then I will take steps to permanently ban your email address from RootsWeb's mailing lists. Regards, Andrew RootsWeb staff - mailing lists and mail -- Andrew Billinghurst <[email protected]> Adopt-a-mailing list -> http://resources.rootsweb.com/adopt/ Ancestry.com--Your #1 Source for Family History Online http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

I am unsubscribing from the TXBEXAR Rootsweb mailing list. I can find family through other means.

Sorry, John A. Stovall, but I am not going to fill out a form to answer the e-mail you sent to me. Apparently you have blocked me from sending you mail. I do intend to return the favor. Shall we just agree to disagree about this subject and let it go. Much as I like the mailing lists, I have just about had enough with the negative attitudes on this one. And I am NOT talking about Sarah Reveley. She is trying to do a very good thing. Best wishes to all, and I will find my Davis without any help from this mailing list. Good bye all, tc and happy hunting. G. Winters PS I am really ticked off now. ----- Original Message ----- From: "g.winters" <[email protected]> To: "John A. Stovall" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 3:44 PM Subject: Re: Lost graves > We all have our own opinions. I am so sorry that you are so disturbed > about this. Dosing for water is a tried and true method but you will find those who don't > believe in that either. My point was that Sarah has not been allowed access to the > records for that cemetery which should be public records. > And the original paths were five feet wide. For horse and buggy. They > have been > widened by the people visiting grave sites in autos. I have no doubt that > there are > graves under what are now access roads there. > I still don't understand being so negative about what she is trying to > accomplish, > which is cleaning and respecting this cemetery. What is so bad about > that???? She > sure can't do that alone. > In other words, what is some people's problem with > the postings > about all this????? As someone mailed me, she has not cursed, used > profanity or > any of the other reasons to be blocked, and if this can happen to her, who > knows, > mayby someone will object to asking for help on a family surname that they > don't > like. Where does it start and where does it end???? > G. Winters > PS. Please, remember, don't tick me off, ok? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John A. Stovall" <[email protected]> > To: "g.winters" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 2:32 PM > Subject: Re: Lost graves > > > > At 00:09 12.06.05 -0500, you wrote: > > >Short of digging to find them, which is probably illegal, dousing is the > > >next best way, especially if you are not allowed to have the listing of > > >people buried in the cemetery. > > >G. Winters > > > > > > Dousing is just an old folk superstition and doesn't stand up to any > > serious testing. While Ground Penetrating Radar and Probing are accepted > > techniques in the scientific community. > > > > I'm sorry you persist in supporting irrational beliefs and suggesting it > to > > others. > > > > Why do cemeteries and researchers who need to really find graves use GPR > > rather than wandering around with bent coat hangers? They do be cause it > > works and coat hanger don't. > > > > See this article for what is done in the real world. > > > > > http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2005-05-27/pols_feature.html > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "John A. Stovall" <[email protected]> > > >To: <[email protected]> > > >Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 8:36 PM > > >Subject: Re: Lost graves > > > > > > > > > > At 19:10 11.06.05 -0600, you wrote: > > > > >About looking for grave sites -- I noticed on TV that there was a way > to > > > > >see the damage to the layers of land when looking for a body. I was > very > > > > >interested not only for your conversation, but to see if there was > > >someone > > > > >buried next to a marked grave. Now I know about dousing and know > there > > > > >are people that are proficient in the technique. However, I must > ask -- > > > > >how do you know those were current occupied graves or sites where the > > > > >bodies have been moved. Did you dig and find casket or bones? > > > > > > > > People, there isn't one scintilla of evidence that dowsing for graves > is > > > > nothing more than simple folk nonsense. > > > > > > > > There are no people who are proficient at it since there's nothing to > be > > > > proficient at. > > > > > > > > Please look at the correct ways to find grave and help restore > cemeteries > > > > and not waste time on folk magic. > > > > > > > > Here go learn what you can do which is effective. > > > > > > > > http://www.savinggraves.org/education/index.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and > the > > > > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > > > > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > > >

No, maybe uncle, grandfather or other relative. Per an article in the Austin American-Statesman, May 29, 2005, on his retirement: But the focus of his life, Mann insists, has been "reaching people like I was before I was a Christian." Mann grew up as the second of three children in West Columbia, a small community south of Houston. His family wasn't religious. Mann believed in God but never experienced the divine. In 1958, at age 21, he attended an Easter Sunday service with his new wife, Lois Wright Mann, a Baptist. Mann recalled a "hollering" preacher and an altar call, and the next thing he knew he was standing in front of the minister accepting Christ. "People ask me how I became a believer." He grinned. "I say by abduction." And then Mann felt the call to the ministry. His father, Carey Freeman Mann Jr., a plumbing contractor, was not pleased. Of the ministry, the senior Mann said, "They're all crooks and there ain't no money in it." "All he knew about religion were the Baptists (who) were very arrogant and tried to impose on him," Gerald Mann said. Mann knew he never wanted to be that kind of Christian. He earned a master's degree in theology and a doctorate in philosophy from the Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Fort Worth and served churches around Texas. In 1973, he was preaching at First Baptist Church in Hereford, a Panhandle cattle town, when Austin's University Baptist Church search committee came calling. rle ----- Original Message ----- From: "George & Jeri Bawden" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 11:39 AM Subject: Rev. Gerald Mann > Does anyone know if the Gerald Mann who was the Attorney General for Texas in 1939 is the father of the Rev. Gerald Mann? I was given an old letter recently that talked about my father, whom I never knew, working for Gerald Mann in San Antonio. Blessings!!!!! Jeri Alessandro James Bawden >

I am looking for any information about any of the following families: Santo and Angelina PORTESI and their children Julius PORTESI and family Both of the above families were known to have left Bexar county prior to 1921. Santo to Los Angeles CA and Julius to Cochise AZ and then to Los Angeles. Santo was my grandfather. Julius his brother. Santo's son Marco married and his widow Mary returned to Bexar Co. after 1955 and died their in 1988...buried in San Fernando Cem. If any of these families are familiar to you please contact me. Adina Roe Roberts Pasadena CA.

Taking Simone's advice...I started looking in the archives. There is a message from Mar of 2000 that is a list of occupations. My question is this...are those the old names for occupations in just the Texas area, the entire US and does the list also include names of occupations from the British Isles? Thanks Adina Pasadena California

Mailing Lists is what genealogy is all about. I also belong to several mailing list. The more the mailing list the more the information and knowledge. I love my genealogy emails no matter how many emails I get. There was no reason for Sarah to be blocked. The ONLY reason to block someone is if they are sending obscene email and using fowl abusive language. I can also see someone being blocked if they come on here and try and sell a product. Sarah did neither, all she did was to inform the board of the cemetery problems and try to find solutions to fix the problem. She has been a victim of a circuit of individuals who are somehow connected to one another and has blocked her from OUR list. As I have said before, the Bexar County list is the quietest list I am a member of. It is probably one of the oldest and largest counties with the most history, but this list rarely receives emails. It has finally given the list the opportunity to wake up. Ron Hesdorff

Hi, everyone The cemetery list that I posted was what is on www.epodunk.com If they are missing some cemeteries, send them the needed information. They can only show what they have. I am sure that they will update their search engine eventually. I have found epodunk invaluable for finding information on small towns nationwide. They recently up dated to include the former names of these towns. G. Winters ----- Original Message ----- From: "MaryLee or Charlie Sloan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 10:01 AM Subject: FW: RE: FW: Bexar County Cemetary List > Hi > Hope Brother Loch doesn't mind me forwarding the following information. Hope > one of you finds the information interesting. Please note Brother Loch > states that the Roselawn is #3. > > Brother Loch states that the records are in good shape at San Fernando #2. > However, I have been told two different times during the years in their > office that: there was a fire in the gardeners building where they kept > their records. Their records are not complete for the early days if there > is not a tombstone. Don't know which is the case, but they can't tell me > where some graves are located in that cemetery. > > And for those of you keeping a list -- don't think I saw the listings for > the cemetery located for the priests and brothers at St. Mary's University. > Would it be called the Society of Mary Cemetery, (SM?) > > Mary Lee Sloan > > From: "Edward Loch" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: FW: Check out Bexar County Cemetary List > Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:31:15 -0500 > > I expect that Teresa has answered you, but in case she has not, I > will try to fill you in. The old Campo Santo was begun in 1800 when > the rotting bodies at San Fernando were infecting the water supply - > the irrigation ditch ran behind the church, now the cathedral. At > that time, that space was out of town. on the south side of Houston > street the protestants were buried, now Milam park. As the hosptial > expanded we moved the bodies to San Fernando #1. The records for > where people are buried there have been lost. A few years ago a > group, Los Bejarenos walked the entire cemetery(begun about 1870) > and noted all the tombstones that still exist and made an index. > This is all that there is for #1. San Fernando #2 was started in > 1922 and the records for that are in good shape. #3 used to be > Roselawn and the archdiocese bought it when space was becoming > scarce in #2. This was bought in the 1980's and is directly south > of #2. The Catholic Church did not lose any cemeteries. There were > and are only San Fernando, St. Mary's, St. Joseph, St. Peter Claver, > and St. Michael's. The Hispanic-Mediterranean people went to San > Fernando, the Irish-English speaking to St. Mary's, the German to > St. Joseph, the Polish- slavic to St. Michael and the Black people > to St. Peter Claver. The people from around the missions went to > their cemeteries. There was no French section. Religious orders had > certain parts of San Fernando as well as the priests were buried > together. There is a Catholic cemetery in Helotes not far from the > present church. Some other rural parishes have cemeteries also like > Elmendorf and Losoya. There were a few small chapels under what is > now Calaveras lake. The bodies were moved to Elmendorf.The library > is perhaps the best source since we have had a cemetery project > going for several years and a computer dedicated especially to this. > Mr. Frank Faulkner is the librarian. I think Teresa sent you > information on how to contact the library. Yours sincerely, Bro. > Ed Loch, S.M. > > From: "MaryLee or Charlie Sloan" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: FW: Check out Bexar County Cemetary List > Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 17:52:22 -0600 > > Dear Brother Loch > > I have not been able to find John Bourgeois at the France Garnes or > Carnes CATHOLIC cemetery anywhere -- > Family has been looking for more than 30 years. > Members of the family have asked all over during the 30 years. > John Bourgeois is the only one we have lost -- > > I was wondering if you knew what year the San Fernando Cemetery # 1 > and the #2 were started. Perhaps a section of #1 was for the > French. I've driven and looked an alot of the ground, but never a > concentrated effort in #1. > > Also thought that some of the City cemeteries were the French one > -- however, it would have been blessed ground since the Department > of Health called it the France Catholic Cemetery. > > I have photographed 8 of the cemeteries where relatives are buried > and never found him. I will continue to look. > > THANK YOU for finding the church record. > > I will post queries at different sites including the Bexar County > site on Rootsweb. Perhaps someday someone will know something. > None of the Bourgeois families know where John was buried. > > We had a cemetery on Culebra road -- know who was there and where > they were moved. It was never referred to as a Catholic cemetery. > There are Catholics and Lutherans buried at Zion Lutheran -- > however, it wasn't referred to as either Catholic or Lutheran until > more modern times -- many Bourgeois buried there, but not John > Bourgeois. > > Some Bourgeois were buried at private cemeteries around Helotes -- > they were known or moved -- But again the cemetery was never > referred to as Catholic Cemetery. > > I wonder at times if the cemetery was near the old Mexican cemetery > under Houston street by Santa Rosa hospital. "Campos Santos" > > I am really stressed -- it was one thing to lose a relative, but > quite another for the Catholic Church to lose a cemetery. > > It would be difficult for me to find the correct person to talk to, > but wonder if the Department of Health kept track of early > cemeteries? > > Thanks for your help on my ancestor > > Mary Lee Gussen Sloan > > From: "Edward Loch" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: FW: Check out Bexar County Cemetary List > Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:21:11 -0500 > > > Subject: Check out Bexar County Cemetary List > >>>>Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 15:35:03 EDT > >>>> > >>>>The new URL for San Antonio Genealogical and Historical Society's > >>>>website > >>>>is: _www.rootsweb.com/~txsaghs2/index.htm_ > >>>>(http://www.rootsweb.com/~txsaghs2/index.htm) By clicking below, you > >>>>can get directly to the listing of Bexar > >>>>County cemeteries, which are now divided into three parts by alphabet. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>_Click here: Bexar County Cemetary List_ > >>>>(http://www.rootsweb.com/~txsaghs2/bexarcem.htm) > >>>> > >>>>Theresa > >>> > >> > > > > > > ============================== > New! 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Does anyone know if the Gerald Mann who was the Attorney General for Texas in 1939 is the father of the Rev. Gerald Mann? I was given an old letter recently that talked about my father, whom I never knew, working for Gerald Mann in San Antonio. Blessings!!!!! Jeri Alessandro James Bawden

Hi Hope Brother Loch doesn't mind me forwarding the following information. Hope one of you finds the information interesting. Please note Brother Loch states that the Roselawn is #3. Brother Loch states that the records are in good shape at San Fernando #2. However, I have been told two different times during the years in their office that: there was a fire in the gardeners building where they kept their records. Their records are not complete for the early days if there is not a tombstone. Don't know which is the case, but they can't tell me where some graves are located in that cemetery. And for those of you keeping a list -- don't think I saw the listings for the cemetery located for the priests and brothers at St. Mary's University. Would it be called the Society of Mary Cemetery, (SM?) Mary Lee Sloan From: "Edward Loch" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: RE: FW: Check out Bexar County Cemetary List Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:31:15 -0500 I expect that Teresa has answered you, but in case she has not, I will try to fill you in. The old Campo Santo was begun in 1800 when the rotting bodies at San Fernando were infecting the water supply - the irrigation ditch ran behind the church, now the cathedral. At that time, that space was out of town. on the south side of Houston street the protestants were buried, now Milam park. As the hosptial expanded we moved the bodies to San Fernando #1. The records for where people are buried there have been lost. A few years ago a group, Los Bejarenos walked the entire cemetery(begun about 1870) and noted all the tombstones that still exist and made an index. This is all that there is for #1. San Fernando #2 was started in 1922 and the records for that are in good shape. #3 used to be Roselawn and the archdiocese bought it when space was becoming scarce in #2. This was bought in the 1980's and is directly south of #2. The Catholic Church did not lose any cemeteries. There were and are only San Fernando, St. Mary's, St. Joseph, St. Peter Claver, and St. Michael's. The Hispanic-Mediterranean people went to San Fernando, the Irish-English speaking to St. Mary's, the German to St. Joseph, the Polish- slavic to St. Michael and the Black people to St. Peter Claver. The people from around the missions went to their cemeteries. There was no French section. Religious orders had certain parts of San Fernando as well as the priests were buried together. There is a Catholic cemetery in Helotes not far from the present church. Some other rural parishes have cemeteries also like Elmendorf and Losoya. There were a few small chapels under what is now Calaveras lake. The bodies were moved to Elmendorf.The library is perhaps the best source since we have had a cemetery project going for several years and a computer dedicated especially to this. Mr. Frank Faulkner is the librarian. I think Teresa sent you information on how to contact the library. Yours sincerely, Bro. Ed Loch, S.M. From: "MaryLee or Charlie Sloan" <s[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: RE: FW: Check out Bexar County Cemetary List Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 17:52:22 -0600 Dear Brother Loch I have not been able to find John Bourgeois at the France Garnes or Carnes CATHOLIC cemetery anywhere -- Family has been looking for more than 30 years. Members of the family have asked all over during the 30 years. John Bourgeois is the only one we have lost -- I was wondering if you knew what year the San Fernando Cemetery # 1 and the #2 were started. Perhaps a section of #1 was for the French. I've driven and looked an alot of the ground, but never a concentrated effort in #1. Also thought that some of the City cemeteries were the French one -- however, it would have been blessed ground since the Department of Health called it the France Catholic Cemetery. I have photographed 8 of the cemeteries where relatives are buried and never found him. I will continue to look. THANK YOU for finding the church record. I will post queries at different sites including the Bexar County site on Rootsweb. Perhaps someday someone will know something. None of the Bourgeois families know where John was buried. We had a cemetery on Culebra road -- know who was there and where they were moved. It was never referred to as a Catholic cemetery. There are Catholics and Lutherans buried at Zion Lutheran -- however, it wasn't referred to as either Catholic or Lutheran until more modern times -- many Bourgeois buried there, but not John Bourgeois. Some Bourgeois were buried at private cemeteries around Helotes -- they were known or moved -- But again the cemetery was never referred to as Catholic Cemetery. I wonder at times if the cemetery was near the old Mexican cemetery under Houston street by Santa Rosa hospital. "Campos Santos" I am really stressed -- it was one thing to lose a relative, but quite another for the Catholic Church to lose a cemetery. It would be difficult for me to find the correct person to talk to, but wonder if the Department of Health kept track of early cemeteries? Thanks for your help on my ancestor Mary Lee Gussen Sloan From: "Edward Loch" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: FW: Check out Bexar County Cemetary List Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:21:11 -0500 Subject: Check out Bexar County Cemetary List >>>>Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 15:35:03 EDT >>>> >>>>The new URL for San Antonio Genealogical and Historical Society's >>>>website >>>>is: _www.rootsweb.com/~txsaghs2/index.htm_ >>>>(http://www.rootsweb.com/~txsaghs2/index.htm) By clicking below, you >>>>can get directly to the listing of Bexar >>>>County cemeteries, which are now divided into three parts by alphabet. >>>> >>>> >>>>_Click here: Bexar County Cemetary List_ >>>>(http://www.rootsweb.com/~txsaghs2/bexarcem.htm) >>>> >>>>Theresa >>> >> >

I am so sorry that you failed to understand. I have stored the emails on the procedure to find lost graves. Actually I might be one of the most interested people in the process since I have spend large portions of research time trying to find missing graves. And finally, all of my questions of processes and where to find information where I have not looked were simply to see if I could find people buried in existing cemeteries. I have been through every record on every microfilm for 5 parishes finding relatives and their friends. Basically I wanted to know more about the procedure so that I could find an Elisabeth Hoffmann Hoffmann who was buried from the poorhouse after her husband Henry Hoffmann died. The cemetery does not have that information. Church records state that she was buried in San Fernando. Now I have looked everywhere I can think of to find out if they buried her in our LOT next to Henry Hoffmann. That's why I was interested. Neither Elisabeth nor Henry seems to be related to us other than Henry used to drive for the Sisters of Charity. That took place next to the home of my Great Grandmother who owned the large sections of plots in the lot. Thank you for the information on the procedure. I have hired dousers before to find water. I am one that certainly believes in the the technique. Again Thank you Mary Lee Sloan >From: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: For Mary & others who think like her... >Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 02:01:34 EDT > >Mary Lee Sloan said: > > > >>do I need to get excited about a grave that apparently the family did >not > >>care enough about.<< > >Tell me Mary, why are you involved with genealogy at all if the defamed, >missing, lost, desecrated graves are of no importance to you. > >Yes Mary, we all have to get excited about graves, very excited for >apparently uncared for by "current" families because one day there will be >a Sarah or >a Sam or someone like us that will care, will want to know who they were >and >that they were. So Mary, that is why Sarah cares what happens to our >ancestors resting places because someday, somewhere, someone WILL CARE. >That is the >meaning of genealogy. > > >============================== >Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >New content added every business day. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

Roselawn Cemetery is now known as San Fernando #2. Jeff Carr of TX

Topic: Bexar County, Texas. For questions about this list, contact the list administrator at [email protected] For everyone who feels the need to talk to our administrator. G. Winters

Am I a descendant of Caiphas Ham, Simon Menger, Jeptha Cotton, Sarah Riddle Eager, Mrs. Meusebach, Clara Driscoll? No. I am a Texan. That's enough. The Story Tellers We are the chosen. My feelings are in each family there is one who seems called to find the ancestors. To put flesh on their bones and make them live again, To tell the family story and to feel that somehow they know and approve. To me, doing genealogy is not a cold gathering of facts but, instead, Breathing life into all who have gone before. We are the story tellers of the tribe. All tribes have one. We have been called as it were by our genes. Those who have gone before cry out to us: Tell our story. So, we do. In finding them, we somehow find ourselves. How many graves have I stood before now and cried? I have lost count. How many times have I told the ancestors you have a wonderful family, you would be proud of us? How many times have I walked up to a grave and felt somehow there was love there for me? I cannot say. It goes beyond just documenting facts. It goes to who am I and why do I do the things I do? It goes to seeing a cemetery about to be lost forever to weeds and indifference And saying I can't let this happen. The bones here are bones of my bone and flesh of my flesh. It goes to doing something about it. It goes to pride in what our ancestors were able to accomplish. How they contributed to what we are today. It goes to respecting their hardships and losses, their never giving in or giving up, Their resoluteness to go on and build a life for their family. It goes to deep pride that they fought to make and keep us a Nation. It goes to a deep and immense understanding that they were doing it for us. That we might be born who we are. That we might remember them. So we do. With love and caring and scribing each fact of their existence, Because we are them and they are us. So, as a scribe called, I tell the story of my family. It is up to that one called in the next generation, To answer the call and take their place in the long line of family storytellers. That is why I do my family genealogy, And that is what calls those young and old to step up And put flesh on the bones. [Author Unknown]

Mary Lee Sloan said: >>do I need to get excited about a grave that apparently the family did not >>care enough about.<< Tell me Mary, why are you involved with genealogy at all if the defamed, missing, lost, desecrated graves are of no importance to you. Yes Mary, we all have to get excited about graves, very excited for apparently uncared for by "current" families because one day there will be a Sarah or a Sam or someone like us that will care, will want to know who they were and that they were. So Mary, that is why Sarah cares what happens to our ancestors resting places because someday, somewhere, someone WILL CARE. That is the meaning of genealogy.

Smiling, if I worried about excess mail, lol, I would not subscribe to more than 40 mailing lists. I love e-mail. Sure better than an empty screen. Would you mind explaining to the ones here who are not familiar with talking to the list administrators about how to do this? G. Winters PS, thank you very much. ----- Original Message ----- From: "George & Jeri Bawden" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 1:41 AM Subject: Re: Why is Sarah blocked because > Sorry to add to your excess of mail but this is what I sent to the list > administrator. Just wanted to share! Blessings!!! > > I pay for all the Ancestry.com services but one, enjoy my Rootsweb Review > and belong to several mailing lists. Most of them send mail once in a while > if at all. When the Bexar line started having information shared by Sarah > (I have no idea who she or any of the others are) I was really excited and > interested. My family has a lot of history in Texas most of whom were first > generation from Sicily, Ireland and Scotland. My Great Grandmother's family > were Tejanos who fought for Texas at the Alamo. I don't understand why a > few people were able to cut off the most interesting flow of messages that I > have seen. > > Also, I am the wife of a Mason, the granddaughter of a Mason, the great > niece of three Masons, the daughter in law of a Mason and an Eastern Star > and the mother in law of a Rainbow Worthy Advisor. The mail from the Mason > who was furious with Sarah and jumped at the chance of meeting with the news > from Wilson County is not my idea of a Mason. He really should have been > first in line to get this mess taken care of. > > I hope you and whoever else makes these rules reconsiders the blocking of > someone who I presume, until now, has been just another one of us who is > trying to learn about our history. Thank you. Jeri Alessandro James Bawden > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "g.winters" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 11:18 PM > Subject: Why is Sarah blocked because > > > > She is. If you would like to have her able to post, then tell the > > administrator of this mailing list. I have! Just go to Rootsweb, find > > this mailing list, there is a place somewhere in there to comment to the > > list administrator. I started at about 11 oclock with 13 private and > > publid messages, most of which were about the Alamo Masonic Cemetery and > > Sarah's fight to get it cleaned. I just made it to the end for now, mail > > kept coming and coming and coming. It is now 1:14. and I am almost brain > > dead. And more came in as I am writing this message. > > G. Winters > > > > > > ============================== > > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Mary Lee Sloan said: >>However, I must ask -- how do you know those were current occupied graves >>or sites where the bodies have been moved. Did you dig and find casket or >>bones?<< We knocked on the ground, said "Anybody home?" If they didn't answer, we assumed they were dead. >>Now does your dousing only cover old graves or does it actually indicate >>that there still are remains at the site. If the graves are along the >>road, then the road did not cover them. << Okay, imagine this....you have a cemetery. This cemetery is quite large, over 100 family plots with spaces for 1,000 bodies, but only 700 or so gravestones. Many stones have been vandalized over the years because of neglect by the management. Within this cemetery are very wide areas for vehicular passage, wider than a horse and buggy. We are calling these areas 'roads.' Dousing has indicated that there are graves in these areas, except in a 10' wide strip next to the walls of existing family plots, which we shall call 'paths'. >> Is the dousing different for a grave vs. underground construction of >> electric lines or wates lines?<< I've never doused for underground construction of electric lines or water lines, but I have fooled around in my back yard and got nothing. I think the dowsers know when you are fooling around and they are not amused. >>I realize that most people think that every grave should be marked and I >>have been involved and seen where people were deeply distrubed when they >>see graves outside of cemeteries. There are small cemeteries around San Antonio as there are in all parts of the country.<< There certainly are. However, this cemetery is in a 25 block tract that contains 30 other cemeteries, and this cemetery has space for 800 bodies, most of which are prominent early settlers of San Antonio. >>The owners of the land removed the old markers (rocks, wood, or limestone) >>to insure that the property sold and that no one knew of the graves.<< I don't think the owners intended to sell these sections within the cemetery again. >>do I need to get excited about a grave that apparently the family did not >>care enough about.<< You are starting to irritate me. I think I'm gonna tell my big brother on you. >>Again -- should we be concerned if the family did not care enough to see >>to the permanent markings of the sites.<< See above. >>I don't think we should be that concerned. In the mentioned case, it >>would seem that simply keeping up the area would be sufficient.<< Would it be ok with you if we quit driving over the dead people, noted the location of the original path? >>And are you sure the bodies are there and not only the old remains?<< I thought bodies and remains were the same thing. >>You note that the county records the purchase of lots -- do they indeed?<< No I didn't say that he said that. >>Where would I go exactly? I don't have time to search for a site that >>might not exist.<< You would if you quit writing such long winded letters. ;-) Sarah

At 19:10 11.06.05 -0600, you wrote: >About looking for grave sites -- I noticed on TV that there was a way to >see the damage to the layers of land when looking for a body. I was very >interested not only for your conversation, but to see if there was someone >buried next to a marked grave. Now I know about dousing and know there >are people that are proficient in the technique. However, I must ask -- >how do you know those were current occupied graves or sites where the >bodies have been moved. Did you dig and find casket or bones? People, there isn't one scintilla of evidence that dowsing for graves is nothing more than simple folk nonsense. There are no people who are proficient at it since there's nothing to be proficient at. Please look at the correct ways to find grave and help restore cemeteries and not waste time on folk magic. Here go learn what you can do which is effective. http://www.savinggraves.org/education/index.htm

She is. If you would like to have her able to post, then tell the administrator of this mailing list. I have! Just go to Rootsweb, find this mailing list, there is a place somewhere in there to comment to the list administrator. I started at about 11 oclock with 13 private and publid messages, most of which were about the Alamo Masonic Cemetery and Sarah's fight to get it cleaned. I just made it to the end for now, mail kept coming and coming and coming. It is now 1:14. and I am almost brain dead. And more came in as I am writing this message. G. Winters