Um, what has happened? I haven't even gotten my cemetery list finished yet- learning to use the program, computer all at once- Becky Cockrum Cherokee, TX Here is another instance of > someone taking research done by other people and copyrighting it and then > selling it. My personal copyright attorney tells me that information of > public record CANNOT be copyrighted.

I appologize for whinning to the list. That is not what the list is for. I'm sorry. So many of us have worked so hard and many of you that live in other states have been so kind to offer additional material on some of the families. I have been seriously neglecting my own family research and I think I will spend some time on that. You guys hang in here with Bill. He is really a great guy and was involved to share information to those that do not live in this area of the state or do not live in the state. I will be around and you have my email address if you need help and if I can give it. Ann -----Original Message----- From: Possum <possum@gulftel.com> To: TXBELL-L@rootsweb.com <TXBELL-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, August 08, 1999 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [TXBELL-L] Material Removal |Mary Ann, | |don't feel to bad remember I was the one who was broad sided and told a |cemetery was copy written!!! | |We try to help folks find their lost family members or trace their roots |and there is always someone that finds that wrong. Some of us do it for |the pure joy of helping others while doing our own research. Some are |doing this just for money! I am glad you and I and so many others out |there are in the first group of people. To bad the second group the few |that they are can cause so much trouble for so many!!! | |Debbie |---------- |From: MaryAnn Bartlett <bartlett@vvm.com> |To: TXBELL-L@rootsweb.com |Subject: [TXBELL-L] Material Removal |Date: Sunday, August 08, 1999 9:13 PM | |To those of you who sent me pictures and copy of diary of Jeptha TALLEY |family...I will return these things to you as soon as possible. | |Mrs. Adams, I can return your email containing the information about your |family for posting or I can delete it. | |Anyone that sent me anything to be added to the biography page, the album |page or any other pages...I can email it back or just delete it from my |files....in fact, all of you may consider it done. | |Bill, please remove the BARTLETTs, BENSONs and DURETTs. These are my |family |and the information was submitted by family. Here is another instance of |someone taking research done by other people and copyrighting it and then |selling it. My personal copyright attorney tells me that information of |public record CANNOT be copyrighted. | |To those of you who helped us with some of the material and those that had |offered to help, thanks. Like Bill, I am...well, I'm tired. A lot of us |put in a lot of work to build these pages. | |Ann Bartlett | | | |==== TXBELL Mailing List ==== |RootsWeb Supports GenConnect |Help Support RootsWeb |http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html | | |==== TXBELL Mailing List ==== |RootsWeb Supports GenConnect |Help Support RootsWeb |http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html |

Mary Ann, don't feel to bad remember I was the one who was broad sided and told a cemetery was copy written!!! We try to help folks find their lost family members or trace their roots and there is always someone that finds that wrong. Some of us do it for the pure joy of helping others while doing our own research. Some are doing this just for money! I am glad you and I and so many others out there are in the first group of people. To bad the second group the few that they are can cause so much trouble for so many!!! Debbie ---------- From: MaryAnn Bartlett <bartlett@vvm.com> To: TXBELL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TXBELL-L] Material Removal Date: Sunday, August 08, 1999 9:13 PM To those of you who sent me pictures and copy of diary of Jeptha TALLEY family...I will return these things to you as soon as possible. Mrs. Adams, I can return your email containing the information about your family for posting or I can delete it. Anyone that sent me anything to be added to the biography page, the album page or any other pages...I can email it back or just delete it from my files....in fact, all of you may consider it done. Bill, please remove the BARTLETTs, BENSONs and DURETTs. These are my family and the information was submitted by family. Here is another instance of someone taking research done by other people and copyrighting it and then selling it. My personal copyright attorney tells me that information of public record CANNOT be copyrighted. To those of you who helped us with some of the material and those that had offered to help, thanks. Like Bill, I am...well, I'm tired. A lot of us put in a lot of work to build these pages. Ann Bartlett ==== TXBELL Mailing List ==== RootsWeb Supports GenConnect Help Support RootsWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html

To those of you who sent me pictures and copy of diary of Jeptha TALLEY family...I will return these things to you as soon as possible. Mrs. Adams, I can return your email containing the information about your family for posting or I can delete it. Anyone that sent me anything to be added to the biography page, the album page or any other pages...I can email it back or just delete it from my files....in fact, all of you may consider it done. Bill, please remove the BARTLETTs, BENSONs and DURETTs. These are my family and the information was submitted by family. Here is another instance of someone taking research done by other people and copyrighting it and then selling it. My personal copyright attorney tells me that information of public record CANNOT be copyrighted. To those of you who helped us with some of the material and those that had offered to help, thanks. Like Bill, I am...well, I'm tired. A lot of us put in a lot of work to build these pages. Ann Bartlett

Hi all, My first post here. I am looking for the German Evangelical Church that would have been in (probably) Temple in the 1880's. I have George W. Fritz marrying there in 1885 and then D. C. Fritz marrying in 1887. The person that performed the marriages was Rev. L. Schaefle. I am wondering if this church is still in existence, by a different name perhaps. I would like to get the records of those two marriages in hopes that there are some parents' names on them. George Fritz married Miss Annie Cynthia Thomas(grandaughter of Samuel Cooksey, 1880 Bell Co). They are buried in Hillcrest Cem. along with Samuel Cooksey and his wife, Cyntha. D. C. Fritz married Miss Mary J. Johnson(no other info on them). Any help at all would be appreciated. Thanks, Rayedene Graves

Howdy TXBELL Listers.. Interesting... apparently when I asked the Bell County Historical Commission (BCHC) for permission to put BCHC publications on the BCHC page (which was granted), and would begin with the Story of Bell County (SOBC), it was not understood that I meant eventually all of it. I gather there is some stress about the book being made available free to the internet, instead of just via sales. I have agreed to remove the SOBC entirely from the BCHC page for now, pending further discussion, and will be waiting for follow-on about the family histories that have been put onto the Biographies Board. Perhaps another case of what was said and what was heard was not sufficiently clear. This advisory is being provided for those of you who have been able to use the SOBC content posted to-date. It won't be there shortly. Bill Bost TXBELL Listowner _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com

Moffet is between Belton and Gatesville, close to Lake Belton off of Hwy 36. I don't see it on the map I have. Marlene Wes Morgan wrote: > > There are some cemeteries listed on the Bell County Web Page. You might > check there. Unfortunately, un-indexed, but still the info is available for > a lot of those cemeteries. > Off the top of my head, I don't know WHERE Moffet is, but if close to > county line, check that county too. > Good luck > Jackie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Calvin Dorris [SMTP:caledo@digitex.net] > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 1:52 PM > To: TXBELL-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [TXBELL-L] Cemetery lookup > > Does anyone have a cemetery book that can do look ups for me? I am looking > for the following people. I believe they lived in Moffet. > > Leanodus Halpain b. 1877 d bef 1920 his wife Norma Estelle (Baker) Halpain > > James Edward Baker b. 1869 d. ??? his wife Ella S. (Halpain) Baker > > William Arthur Denny . 1884 d. 1970 his wife SarahL. (Halpain) Denny > > Moses Halpain b. abt 1890 d. ??? > > Flossie Halpain b. 1896 d. before 1946 > > Lottie Halpain b. 1896 d. 1896 > > Arthur Halpain b. 1902 d. 1902 > > Calvin > > ==== TXBELL Mailing List ==== > Please Keep Messages To Matters of Bell County Genealogy Or > History Interest! Don't Send Attachments To Postings. > > ==== TXBELL Mailing List ==== > Please Help Keep Discussions Related To Bell County Genealogy > And History!!

There are some cemeteries listed on the Bell County Web Page. You might check there. Unfortunately, un-indexed, but still the info is available for a lot of those cemeteries. Off the top of my head, I don't know WHERE Moffet is, but if close to county line, check that county too. Good luck Jackie -----Original Message----- From: Calvin Dorris [SMTP:caledo@digitex.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 1:52 PM To: TXBELL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TXBELL-L] Cemetery lookup Does anyone have a cemetery book that can do look ups for me? I am looking for the following people. I believe they lived in Moffet. Leanodus Halpain b. 1877 d bef 1920 his wife Norma Estelle (Baker) Halpain James Edward Baker b. 1869 d. ??? his wife Ella S. (Halpain) Baker William Arthur Denny . 1884 d. 1970 his wife SarahL. (Halpain) Denny Moses Halpain b. abt 1890 d. ??? Flossie Halpain b. 1896 d. before 1946 Lottie Halpain b. 1896 d. 1896 Arthur Halpain b. 1902 d. 1902 Calvin ==== TXBELL Mailing List ==== Please Keep Messages To Matters of Bell County Genealogy Or History Interest! Don't Send Attachments To Postings.

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7C3835C6ECBE247BC60472CA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dottie and Bill, I access the online census and a lot of other pertinent infrmation at http://www.ancestry.com extensive genealogical joldings there and large search engines. you have to belong to Ancestry to get the full benefits but you acn join for three months for a nominal fee and you can access some free info without being a member. I have really gained a LOT of info from there and have enjoyed the membership immensely. I am sure one of the bell County genealogical societies hasd papre copies of the census for sale as most counties do. bell County genweb page has addresses for two or three genealogical societies. I don;t remember if there are email addresses or not. Good luck, Bev Robinson Lazo Bill Bost wrote: > > Howdy TXBELL Subscribers! > > I haven't paid much attention to where/what Bell Census records are > available, either in hardcopy or on the web. Can anyone help this inquirer? > Perhaps the Lena Armstrong Library in Belton? > > Bill Bost > TXBELL Listowner > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Dottie Baird" <dbaird@vvm.com> > Subject: census > Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 23:03:15 -0500 > > Hello there... I am Dottie Baird here in Belton and would you please advise > me as to how to find the computer address for Bell County, Texas 1860-1900 > census? > > Or at least tell me where I can find this information on the internet. > > Thanks.. > Dottie > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > ==== TXBELL Mailing List ==== > Boards Are Available At The Bell County Page To Post Bible Records, > Wills, Pensions, Obituaries, And Biographies, And For Surname Queries. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~txbell --------------7C3835C6ECBE247BC60472CA Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Beverly Lazo Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Beverly Lazo n: Lazo;Beverly email;internet: kismet@maui.net x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------7C3835C6ECBE247BC60472CA--

John... There is a Post Oak listing at the Bell County TexGenWeb Archives at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/tx/bell/belltoc.htm You could take a look at the list posted by David Morgan to see if it compares with what you have, and advise if there are differences to David, or let us know and we can try to fix errors, etc.? Bill Bost Bell County Coordinator ----Original Message Follows---- From: JohnRVanF@aol.com Reply-To: TXBELL-L@rootsweb.com To: TXBELL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TXBELL-L] Fwd: CEMETERY RECORDS Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 19:45:02 EDT I have a copy of the Post Oak cemetery index in Bell county and do not see a listing for that name. John _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com

Howdy TXBELL Subscribers! I haven't paid much attention to where/what Bell Census records are available, either in hardcopy or on the web. Can anyone help this inquirer? Perhaps the Lena Armstrong Library in Belton? Bill Bost TXBELL Listowner ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Dottie Baird" <dbaird@vvm.com> Subject: census Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 23:03:15 -0500 Hello there... I am Dottie Baird here in Belton and would you please advise me as to how to find the computer address for Bell County, Texas 1860-1900 census? Or at least tell me where I can find this information on the internet. Thanks.. Dottie _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com

Ann... That's the base for the Seeker Search Engine I've put on the different Bell County pages. I've noticed some traffic to the effect that it isn't quite working right for some other coordinators either, but then it IS a beta program.... so, I'm still waiting!! Bill Bost TXBELL Listowner ----Original Message Follows---- From: "MaryAnn Bartlett" <bartlett@vvm.com> Reply-To: TXBELL-L@rootsweb.com To: TXBELL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Seeker Search Engine Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:04:00 -0500 Here are a couple of search places you might want to check out...I got them this morning and day before yesterday. Ann This search engine you may or may not be aware of; > http://seeker.rootsweb.com/ > it uncovered some possible useful data for me, try it. |this is the BEST search you ever saw. it pops right up |I put in "Winters Texas" and got 172 sites in 0.1410 how about that. |Try it. |http://www.alltheweb.com/ | | | ==== TXBELL Mailing List ==== Boards Are Available At The Bell County Page To Post Bible Records, Wills, Pensions, Obituaries, And Biographies, And For Surname Queries. http://www.rootsweb.com/~txbell _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com

Here are a couple of search places you might want to check out...I got them this morning and day before yesterday. Ann This search engine you may or may not be aware of; > http://seeker.rootsweb.com/ > it uncovered some possible useful data for me, try it. |this is the BEST search you ever saw. it pops right up |I put in "Winters Texas" and got 172 sites in 0.1410 how about that. |Try it. |http://www.alltheweb.com/ | | |

Does anyone have a cemetery book that can do look ups for me? I am looking for the following people. I believe they lived in Moffet. Leanodus Halpain b. 1877 d bef 1920 his wife Norma Estelle (Baker) Halpain James Edward Baker b. 1869 d. ??? his wife Ella S. (Halpain) Baker William Arthur Denny . 1884 d. 1970 his wife SarahL. (Halpain) Denny Moses Halpain b. abt 1890 d. ??? Flossie Halpain b. 1896 d. before 1946 Lottie Halpain b. 1896 d. 1896 Arthur Halpain b. 1902 d. 1902 Calvin

I am just not sure of a connection at this point. My Peppers family was in Benton Co. and Washington Co., AR. but I do not know about Scott Co. My William M. was b. in TN, but I know not where for sure. This is a hard one! I will keep your e-mail and let you know if I find a connection. Thanks for your reply. Dorice in Austin

I'm not the original poster but I believe this R. E. Sutton ties in with Matthew and Nally Sutton. I'm going to look at Vadas notes here in a little bit and see if there is an RE mentioned- Becky Cockrum pamela darby wrote: > > Do you have a clue as to what the R.E. stand for? Also, what are the > approximate years that they were born and died? Names of children? Do you > know the names of any brothers or sisters of either of them? Where have you > looked? Are you aware of any family stories of the couple? Pam Darby > -----Original Message----- > From: ValTinerTx@aol.com <ValTinerTx@aol.com> > To: TXBELL-L@rootsweb.com <TXBELL-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 6:46 AM > Subject: Re: [TXBELL-L] asking for suggestions > > >I am researching the Sutton family in connect with his marriage to my aunt > >Charlie Allen, she married R E SUTTON from Bell Co. Haven't been able to > >locate them either. Val > > > > > >==== TXBELL Mailing List ==== > >RootsWeb Supports GenConnect > >Help Support RootsWeb > >http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > > > > > ==== TXBELL Mailing List ==== > Boards Are Available At The Bell County Page To Post Bible Records, > Wills, Pensions, Obituaries, And Biographies, And For Surname Queries.

http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ussearch.htm Coryell, Texas 1880 Federal Census (File 13 of 27 for the county -- File 1 of 7 for Justice Precinct 4 & 5) This Census was transcribed by Bobbie Ross and proofread by Frankie Boswell Glaze and Carol Smith for the USGenWeb Archives Census Project http://www.usgenweb.org/census. Copyright (c) 1998 by Bobbie Ross. Note: Please see the file "precinct.txt" which describes the 8 Justice Precincts in force in 1880 ************************************************************************ USGENWEB NOTICE: These electronic pages may NOT be reproduced in any format for profit or presentation by any other organization or persons. Persons or organizations desiring to use this material, must obtain the written consent of the contributor, or the legal representative of the submitter, and contact the listed USGenWeb archivist with proof of this consent. ************************************************************************ 1880 Census Reference Chart: 1) Dwelling # 14) Months unemployed this year 2) Family # 15) Currently ill? if so, specify 3) Name of every person whose place of 16) Blind abode on 1 June 1880 was in this family 17) Deaf and Dumb 4) Color 18) Idiotic 5) Sex 19) Insane 6) Age 20) Disabled 7) Month born if during census year 21) School this year 8) Relationship to household head 22) Cannot read 9) Single 23) Cannot write 10) Married 24) Birth place 11) Widow / Divorced 25) Father's Birthplace 12) Married within census year 26) Mother's Birthplace 13) Profession, occupation, or trade of each person male or female ============================================================ ============ Census_Year 1880Microfilm # T9-1298State TexasCounty Coryell Supv.Distr 4 Enum.Distr 25-Justice Precinct 4 & 5 (Note: See the file "precinct.txt" which describes Enumerator J. Thomason the 8 Justice Precincts in force in 1880) Township - ---------------------------------------------Begin Actual Transcription------------------------------------------------- ============================================================ ============================================================ ============================================================ =================================== |Pg# |Ln# |Dw# |Fm# |Last Name |First Name |Col|Sex|Age |Born|Relationship |Sgl|Mar |W/D |Mar/Yr|Occupation |#mo |Ill?|Blnd|Deaf|Idio|Insa|Dis |Sch |Read|Write|Birthplace |Father |Mother |Comments | | |(1) |(2) |(3) |(3) |(4)|(5)|(6) |(7) |(8) |(9)|(10)|(11)|(12) |(13) |(14)|(15)|(16)|(17)|(18)|(19)|(20)|(21)|(22)|(23) |(24) |(25) |(26) | ============================================================ ============================================================ ============================================================ =================================== 440A 1 1 1 Portis Clinton D. W M 51 . Head of Family . X . . Boot & Shoe Maker 2X . . . . . . . . . North Carolina NC NC handwritten page # 1 I'm doing a search at the site above for you too....there are 140 matches to SUTTON in TX. 442A 17 36 36 Sutton James B. W M 35 . . . X . . Farmer X . . . . . . . . . Ala Ga SC . 442A 18 36 36 Sutton Charlett M. W F 34 . wife . X . . House Keeper . . . . . . . . . . Ala Ala Ala . 442A 19 36 36 Sutton James H. W M 11 . son X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . Alabama Ala Ala . 442A 20 36 36 Sutton John F. W M 10 . son X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . Alabama Ala Ala . 442A 21 36 36 Sutton William W. W M 5 . son X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X Texas Ala Ala . 442A 22 36 36 Sutton Francis M. W M 3 . son X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X Texas Ala Ala . 442A 23 36 36 Sutton Charles W. W M 1 . son X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X Texas Ala Ala . ========================= Might want to check the site out yourself. I have to shut down right now...I hear the unfamiliar sounds of *****thunder*******!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ann -----Original Message----- From: B Cockrum <showtime@centex.net> To: TXBELL-L@rootsweb.com <TXBELL-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [TXBELL-L] asking for suggestions |I'm not the original poster but I believe this R. E. Sutton ties in with |Matthew and Nally Sutton. I'm going to look at Vadas notes here in a |little bit and see if there is an RE mentioned- |Becky Cockrum | |pamela darby wrote: |> |> Do you have a clue as to what the R.E. stand for? Also, what are the |> approximate years that they were born and died? Names of children? Do you |> know the names of any brothers or sisters of either of them? Where have you |> looked? Are you aware of any family stories of the couple? Pam Darby |> -----Original Message----- |> From: ValTinerTx@aol.com <ValTinerTx@aol.com> |> To: TXBELL-L@rootsweb.com <TXBELL-L@rootsweb.com> |> Date: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 6:46 AM |> Subject: Re: [TXBELL-L] asking for suggestions |> |> >I am researching the Sutton family in connect with his marriage to my aunt |> >Charlie Allen, she married R E SUTTON from Bell Co. Haven't been able to |> >locate them either. Val |> > |> > |> >==== TXBELL Mailing List ==== |> >RootsWeb Supports GenConnect |> >Help Support RootsWeb |> >http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html |> > |> > |> |> ==== TXBELL Mailing List ==== |> Boards Are Available At The Bell County Page To Post Bible Records, |> Wills, Pensions, Obituaries, And Biographies, And For Surname Queries. | | |==== TXBELL Mailing List ==== |Please Keep Messages To Matters of Bell County Genealogy Or | History Interest! Don't Send Attachments To Postings. |

Do you have a clue as to what the R.E. stand for? Also, what are the approximate years that they were born and died? Names of children? Do you know the names of any brothers or sisters of either of them? Where have you looked? Are you aware of any family stories of the couple? Pam Darby -----Original Message----- From: ValTinerTx@aol.com <ValTinerTx@aol.com> To: TXBELL-L@rootsweb.com <TXBELL-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 6:46 AM Subject: Re: [TXBELL-L] asking for suggestions >I am researching the Sutton family in connect with his marriage to my aunt >Charlie Allen, she married R E SUTTON from Bell Co. Haven't been able to >locate them either. Val > > >==== TXBELL Mailing List ==== >RootsWeb Supports GenConnect >Help Support RootsWeb >http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > >

Something I forgot to tell you...the county whatever...the one whose name is on the county envelopes for taxes, etc.....her name is Vada SUTTON. You might write her care of the Bell County Records Office and ask her if she is related to your SUTTONs. Just a thought... Ann -----Original Message----- From: ValTinerTx@aol.com <ValTinerTx@aol.com> To: TXBELL-L@rootsweb.com <TXBELL-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 7:34 AM Subject: Re: [TXBELL-L] asking for suggestions |I am researching the Sutton family in connect with his marriage to my aunt |Charlie Allen, she married R E SUTTON from Bell Co. Haven't been able to |locate them either. Val | | |==== TXBELL Mailing List ==== |RootsWeb Supports GenConnect |Help Support RootsWeb |http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html |

I am researching the Sutton family in connect with his marriage to my aunt Charlie Allen, she married R E SUTTON from Bell Co. Haven't been able to locate them either. Val