I tried calling a couple of local offices where I live, in Austin, Texas, since as a couple of people have suggested, surely people in these offices near where I live ought to be able to identify my flag holder that is on my great grandfather's grave in Arlington Cemetery, Upper Darby township, Pennsylvania near Philadelphia - and atleast to tell me whether the insignia is or is not a Ruptured Duck, ca WWII. Now, I've talked to people at the VA offices for Delaware and Philadelphia Counties, Pennsylvania, and to people with teh VFW in Delaware and Philadelphia counties, and with the VFW office in Washington, DC, adn ALL of these people told me that local veterans posts of various sorts, particularly the VFW and the American Legion, order flag holders with various designs and insignia for different wars, etc., from the local VA office for placing on Veterans' graves. The VA offices even told me that if families want to put these veterans flag holders on graves, tehy have to prove the person in the grave was a veteran. The guy in the VFW office in Washington, someone named Neeves, I think, was going to look in his catalog of flag holders for me when he got a chance! (Either he didn't find it or he didn't get a chance and is now out of town for two weeks - an danyhow, he can't see my photo.) OK, I've called both the VA office in Austin, Texas, which is a district office, and the regional VFW office in Austin - and the people in both of these offices haven't a clue what I'm talking about, the VA office here claims they don't order any flag holders, they don't know what a flag holder is, and all these groups put on veterans' graves in Austin is flowers. No flag holders, and no flags. It turned out the person I was talking to at the VFW office was the graphic artist, so I asked to talk to someone else, and she didn't know what I was talking about either. Someone is supposed to call me back when he gets back from errands, and the director is away at a convention. At the VA office, I thought, probably the person I am talking to is a complete idiot, but her supervisor didn't know anything about it, either, never heard of a flag holder before, and tried to be helpful - he's doing some checking around and to call me back. How can they do a national program in the Philadelphia area and know all about it at the national level in Washington, an dnot do it in Austin? Do they actually do flag holders here? If so, how does who get them? Obviously, it is who really is in charge of ordering them who would be most likely to be able to identifiy my flag holder. Yours, Dora Smith Yours, Dora Smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/