Sharon, I think this may be an impossibility without knowing children's names or something. I wish we knew when Maria died. Did you check where the will was actually probated? There might be a mention of the childrens' names there. I have found a couple of things that might give food for thought, but that's about it. I checked the 1860 census for anyone born in Switzerland named Maria, Marie, M., Mary or Eliz* aged 27 thru 31 and came up with nothing, so am wondering if she could already be dead by 1860. If she were, the following might be a possibility. 1860 Pickaway, OH August Seriff, 36, Germany Alphena, 34, Germany John 5, OH (he is not listed on the 1870 census but is on 1880 as "son of wife" which means this was at least a 2nd marriage for each) Augustus, 2, OH Mary 1, OH I thought maybe Augustus and Mary could be Maria's children??????? 1870 Union Co., IL August Sharp, 49, Prussia Appolonia, 45, Biarland August 12, OH Mary 11, OH France 9, OH Emma 7, OH Philip 5, OH 1880 Union Co., IL August Scharf 56, Prussia Applonia 55, Beiarn John Beauscher?, 25, son of wife, OH August Scharf, Jr., 22, son, OH Mary 20, dau, OH Frank 18, son, OH Emma 17, dau, OH Phillip 15, son, OH All of the children show Beiarn for Mother's place of birth. However, census takers quite often just put the wife's birth place there whether the wife was that particular child's Mother or not. I found only one other possibility. 1860 Cuyahoga Co., OH Joseph Scharpf, 30, Hesse Darmstade (maybe his name was Joseph Augustus???) Mary 30, Hesse Darmstade Mary 6, OH Augustus 2, OH Wish I could find something more concrete, but no such luck. Linda in Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon A Sanker" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 11:15 AM Subject: [TX-CEN] Maybe Scharf, Gus and Marie > Unsure just how they would be listed on the census... Don't they have to turn up somewhere? Thanks to all that are searching for me. Really appreciate it. > > Searching for August Scharf m Maria Elizabeth (Stoecklin) born in Switzerland in 1830, Married Jan 15, 1853 in Gasconade County, Hermann, Missouri and seems to disappeared after. Per her father's will of 1881, she was deceased with children, tho no mention of names nor where they lived. I would be most appreciative if anyone can locate this family. Beginning with the 1860 census please. > > I was unaware that an all name census is now available for 1880, tho no cigar there either, Wonderful for some tho.! > > Sharon Missouri > > Sharon in Missouri > > > ==== TX-CENSUS-LOOKUP Mailing List ==== > Free Soundex code converter > http://resources.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/soundexconverter > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

I wouldn't be surprised if Maria was deceased by 1860, just don't know. Got the marriage record from the Gasconade County Court house in Hermann some years back, live only 20 miles from there. Also got her father's will and probate records from there too, had hopes of a listing of grands but nothing in that direction. Her family was Catholic and nothing at the local church, not even listing when married as were some of the other siblings. Seems a dead end every where I look. Do you know where to find passenger lists from Laharve, France to New Orleans? Maybe he came over with her family, haven't located those lists either. Thanks for your interest. SS in Missouri ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Huff" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [TX-CEN] Maybe Scharf, Gus and Marie > Sharon, I think this may be an impossibility without knowing children's > names or something. I wish we knew when Maria died. Did you check where > the will was actually probated? There might be a mention of the childrens' > names there. I have found a couple of things that might give food for > thought, but that's about it. I checked the 1860 census for anyone born in > Switzerland named Maria, Marie, M., Mary or Eliz* aged 27 thru 31 and came > up with nothing, so am wondering if she could already be dead by 1860. If > she were, the following might be a possibility. > > 1860 Pickaway, OH > August Seriff, 36, Germany > Alphena, 34, Germany > John 5, OH (he is not listed on the 1870 census but is on 1880 as "son of > wife" which means this was at least a 2nd marriage for each) > Augustus, 2, OH > Mary 1, OH > I thought maybe Augustus and Mary could be Maria's children??????? > > 1870 Union Co., IL > August Sharp, 49, Prussia > Appolonia, 45, Biarland > August 12, OH > Mary 11, OH > France 9, OH > Emma 7, OH > Philip 5, OH > > 1880 Union Co., IL > August Scharf 56, Prussia > Applonia 55, Beiarn > John Beauscher?, 25, son of wife, OH > August Scharf, Jr., 22, son, OH > Mary 20, dau, OH > Frank 18, son, OH > Emma 17, dau, OH > Phillip 15, son, OH > All of the children show Beiarn for Mother's place of birth. > However, census takers quite often just put the wife's birth place there > whether the wife was that particular child's Mother or not. > > I found only one other possibility. > > 1860 Cuyahoga Co., OH > Joseph Scharpf, 30, Hesse Darmstade (maybe his name was Joseph Augustus???) > Mary 30, Hesse Darmstade > Mary 6, OH > Augustus 2, OH > > Wish I could find something more concrete, but no such luck. > > Linda in Texas > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sharon A Sanker" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 11:15 AM > Subject: [TX-CEN] Maybe Scharf, Gus and Marie > > > > Unsure just how they would be listed on the census... Don't they have to > turn up somewhere? Thanks to all that are searching for me. Really > appreciate it. > > > > Searching for August Scharf m Maria Elizabeth (Stoecklin) born in > Switzerland in 1830, Married Jan 15, 1853 in Gasconade County, Hermann, > Missouri and seems to disappeared after. Per her father's will of 1881, she > was deceased with children, tho no mention of names nor where they lived. I > would be most appreciative if anyone can locate this family. Beginning with > the 1860 census please. > > > > I was unaware that an all name census is now available for 1880, tho no > cigar there either, Wonderful for some tho.! > > > > Sharon Missouri > > > > Sharon in Missouri > > > > > > ==== TX-CENSUS-LOOKUP Mailing List ==== > > Free Soundex code converter > > http://resources.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/soundexconverter > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== TX-CENSUS-LOOKUP Mailing List ==== > To Unsub from digest mail mode, send the command "unsubscribe" to > [email protected] (Remove the XX and replace it with your state abbreviation ) > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi, The french name of the harbour is Le Havre. You could find some information on http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_ships.shtml Lucky hunt! G. & L.M. Vanwijnsberghe-Hunt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon A Sanker" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [TX-CEN] Maybe Scharf, Gus and Marie > I wouldn't be surprised if Maria was deceased by 1860, just don't know. > Got the marriage record from the Gasconade County Court house in Hermann > some years back, live only 20 miles from there. Also got her father's will > and probate records from there too, had hopes of a listing of grands but > nothing in that direction. Her family was Catholic and nothing at the local > church, not even listing when married as were some of the other siblings. > Seems a dead end every where I look. > > Do you know where to find passenger lists from Laharve, France to New > Orleans? Maybe he came over with her family, haven't located those lists > either. Thanks for your interest. > > SS in Missouri > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Huff" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 1:31 PM > Subject: Re: [TX-CEN] Maybe Scharf, Gus and Marie > > > > Sharon, I think this may be an impossibility without knowing children's > > names or something. I wish we knew when Maria died. Did you check where > > the will was actually probated? There might be a mention of the > childrens' > > names there. I have found a couple of things that might give food for > > thought, but that's about it. I checked the 1860 census for anyone born > in > > Switzerland named Maria, Marie, M., Mary or Eliz* aged 27 thru 31 and came > > up with nothing, so am wondering if she could already be dead by 1860. If > > she were, the following might be a possibility. > > > > 1860 Pickaway, OH > > August Seriff, 36, Germany > > Alphena, 34, Germany > > John 5, OH (he is not listed on the 1870 census but is on 1880 as "son of > > wife" which means this was at least a 2nd marriage for each) > > Augustus, 2, OH > > Mary 1, OH > > I thought maybe Augustus and Mary could be Maria's children??????? > > > > 1870 Union Co., IL > > August Sharp, 49, Prussia > > Appolonia, 45, Biarland > > August 12, OH > > Mary 11, OH > > France 9, OH > > Emma 7, OH > > Philip 5, OH > > > > 1880 Union Co., IL > > August Scharf 56, Prussia > > Applonia 55, Beiarn > > John Beauscher?, 25, son of wife, OH > > August Scharf, Jr., 22, son, OH > > Mary 20, dau, OH > > Frank 18, son, OH > > Emma 17, dau, OH > > Phillip 15, son, OH > > All of the children show Beiarn for Mother's place of birth. > > However, census takers quite often just put the wife's birth place there > > whether the wife was that particular child's Mother or not. > > > > I found only one other possibility. > > > > 1860 Cuyahoga Co., OH > > Joseph Scharpf, 30, Hesse Darmstade (maybe his name was Joseph > Augustus???) > > Mary 30, Hesse Darmstade > > Mary 6, OH > > Augustus 2, OH > > > > Wish I could find something more concrete, but no such luck. > > > > Linda in Texas > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sharon A Sanker" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 11:15 AM > > Subject: [TX-CEN] Maybe Scharf, Gus and Marie > > > > > > > Unsure just how they would be listed on the census... Don't they have to > > turn up somewhere? Thanks to all that are searching for me. Really > > appreciate it. > > > > > > Searching for August Scharf m Maria Elizabeth (Stoecklin) born in > > Switzerland in 1830, Married Jan 15, 1853 in Gasconade County, Hermann, > > Missouri and seems to disappeared after. Per her father's will of 1881, > she > > was deceased with children, tho no mention of names nor where they lived. > I > > would be most appreciative if anyone can locate this family. Beginning > with > > the 1860 census please. > > > > > > I was unaware that an all name census is now available for 1880, tho no > > cigar there either, Wonderful for some tho.! > > > > > > Sharon Missouri > > > > > > Sharon in Missouri > > > > > > > > > ==== TX-CENSUS-LOOKUP Mailing List ==== > > > Free Soundex code converter > > > http://resources.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/soundexconverter > > > > > > ============================== > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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