In a message dated 9/21/99 12:27:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, TUTTLE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > Ethel Hayden MONTGOMERY - b. 2/28/1886 -d.7/10/41; buried in HAWK CEMETERY in > Yorktown, IN. Married Floyd Riley Montgomery circa 1905. They lived in Terra > Haute, IN for a while. The first brick wall is that Floyd has disappeared > from the face of the planet leaving no paper trail. > > Ethel's parent's were Amos W. Hayden born circa 1854 in Delaware County and > Rebecca TUTTLE. The second brick wall is that there are two Rebecca Tuttles > in the 1860 Delaware County Census and I don't know which one I belong to. "Sybil", Alva Tuttle's book has a Rebecca born c1852 in Delaware, Co., Indiana, that married an A. Hayden. His reference is "Portrait and Biographical History of Delaware and Randolph Counties, Ind." Don't know if this will help you or not. He has Rebecca as a daughter of Daniel, born 14 Dec. 1831, in Butler, Co., Ohio and died 13 Oct. 1892, buried in Hawk Cemetery, Delaware, Co., Indiana. Hal Haswell

Sharon: I think I have a reply from you in atleast one of my other mailboxes, I am interested in what problems you've been having reaching me. By the pictures, I take it you mean my Allen and Readio family pictures? Because that is which ones I meant. Amzi Allen alone is the one who bears some resemblance to a Tuttle. I'll try to get downtown this week and get a couple of Tuttle pictures, and put them on the Readio page. My Tuttle page is probably at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/5127/mothersfam/tuttle.html. If not, try /mothersfam/index.html, there is a link to the Tuttle page. Yours, Dora Smith cl001@freenet.buffalo.edu dorasmith@usa.net

Does anyone have a connection with a HARLEY surname related to TUTTLE?

I am doing my family genealogy and have hit two brick walls. Ethel Hayden MONTGOMERY - b. 2/28/1886 -d.7/10/41; buried in HAWK CEMETERY in Yorktown, IN. Married Floyd Riley Montgomery circa 1905. They lived in Terra Haute, IN for a while. The first brick wall is that Floyd has disappeared from the face of the planet leaving no paper trail. Ethel's parent's were Amos W. Hayden born circa 1854 in Delaware County and Rebecca TUTTLE. The second brick wall is that there are two Rebecca Tuttles in the 1860 Delaware County Census and I don't know which one I belong to. Ethel's siblings are listed below and I would love to make contact with any of their descendants to clear up the mystery of two Rebecca Tuttles. If you believe you are my cousin I can be reached at sybmont@msn.com a.. Malissa Catherine HAYDEN 1/18/1282 - 11/15/65 m. Emerson SNOGRASS 1/9/1877 - 12/6/26; they lived in Reed's Station, IN a.. Emma HAYDEN 1888-1965 married Albert KREAGER 1871-1958; they lived in Muncie, IN a.. May HAYDEN married Alonzo REED; they lived in Eaton, IN a.. Sylvester HAYDEN of Daleville, IN a.. Emory L. HAYDEN of Niles, Michigan

Dear list: Dora Smith at what looks like c1001@freenet.buffalo.edu posted on Sep 16 1999 the following web site, at her Readio/Readyhough page: http://www.angelfire.com/pa3/tiggernut/index.html Dora has pictures of her family and several look very familiar to me. I cannot (because of my antiquated equipment download too many pages at one time and was not able to find (in the first five I clicked) the correct page listing the TUTTLE association to these people. If anyone does locate this page, please tell me which one to click (not for the pictures, for the lineage). Thanks and Happy Researching, Sharon

Dora, Will you please contact me with the correct link to click for your TUTTLE line. I have been to your web page, I only viewed your picture album, and am pretty anxious to discover more. My e-mail attempts have really done something strange. Thanks, Sharon

I am searching for information on the E. J. Tuttle family. My great-grandmother's sister, Mary Catherine Smith, b. 1860 in Preston County, (W)VA married Eli Jefferson Tuttle from Elliottsville, Fayette County, PA. I only know the name of one of their children, Mollie, b. 1890s, m. Walter Yohe. They were living in Florida in the 1960/70s. Eli and Mary Tuttle were living in Wharton Township, Fayette County, PA at the time of her father's death in 1897 and in Belle Vernon, PA at the time of her mother's death in 1906. Vickie gpavelko@labyrinth.net

It just occurred to me I have a real clue for all the midwestern Tuttles out there who can't trace their Tuttle roots - particularly those with a seeming familial tendency to depression. The Tuttle's of early Massachusetts had characteristic heavy, massive facial features. I noticed this (and the second physical type below) in the pictures in the Tuttle genealogies I have looked at. A large, somewhat flattened and African (like in Negro) looking nose, and huge, heavy eyebrows. I think they also had characteristic furrows on their prominent foreheads. They kind of made me think of turtles. I don't have any examples handy; but my 3X great grandfather, Amzi Allen, in direct line of descent from my Tuttle line, had them to some degree, though the Tuttles had large faces (sort of like stereotypic Irish cops but not that bad) faces to go with it, and Amzi some how or other came by the perfectly long-egg-shaped head typical of men from Suffolk County in England! I have two pictures of him on my Readio/ Readyhough page in my picture album at http://www.angelfire.com/pa3/tiggernut/index.html. There was also a second physical type in this family; rather skinny people with smallish, slight, thin heads and something odd about the nose or chin. I suspect this came from the Todd family but I cannot be sure. It must have been one of the families these Tuttles intermarried with extensively very early. Yours, Dora Smith cl001@freenet.buffalo.edu dorasmith@usa.net

I am looking for anything about Robert Tuttle born in 1918, died 1974, Robert was the son of Beeri S. Tuttle and Agnes Warner. I cannot locate a Death record for him, altho SS benefits were sent to Milwaukee. Trying to find living relatives of this family to share Koutz information with (which would be his Dad's mother) Cindy cbryant@qtm.net

Is anybody following the (as we understand it) Jehiel to Joel to Vincy Tuttle line, b. 1776 in Kendall Co., Ill, m. Stephen Bushnell? Their son, Washington Bushnell, m. Phebe Marie Charles 1857 and had a daughter, Vincy Tuttle Bushnell, who m. Thomas Coxey Fullerton 1886. I don't know where the Fullertons came from, nor the Bushnells past 1778. Phebe Fullerton Cress

This is not a word for word, I have abstracted most data. I am not directly connected as far as I know. My question is this. IS THIS THE FAMILY OF TUTHILLS THAT HELPED ALVAH TUTTLE WITH INFORMATION FOR HIS BOOK. If you know let me know, or if you would have b and d dates for anyone in this bio. TIA tootie@netnitco.net Note: "Judge Harry B. Tuthill of Michigan City is a distance relative of Anson C. Tuthill" quote from Anson Tuthill's 1916 obit. History of Lake Co. IN 1927 Vol 2 Biographies pg468-470 Photo is on pg opposite of 468 Harry B. Tuthill was b. in Dowagiac, MI some yrs. since.he attended district Schoool in the counttry for several years and later went through the grades, grammar and High school in Dowagiac and was valedictorian some years later. After graduation he worked on the farmduring the haying and harvest, when finished he entered a low office as a student on Sat. July 13. He continued in the law office of Spafford Tryon for 2 yrs., copying chancery pleadings. At the close of this apprenticeship he was placed on the grill in open court in Cassopolis and examined for 3 hours by Marshal L. Howell, and then by Lester A Tabor and Harsen B. Smith, who propounded questions from incorporeal hereditaments to the benefit of clergy. He was then sworn in as an attorney and immediately opended and office in Michigan City, IN, where he has practiced low since that time with the exception of a term of 18 yrs on the bench. He was judge of the Superior Court from Jan 1 1897 till 1907, presiding over Lake, Porter and Laporte counties. In 1907 Lake Co. was created as a separate circuit, and he continued to preside over Laporte and Porter till 1914. Appeals to the Supreme and Apellate Courts from his decisions counted 116, of which 100 of these decisions were affirmed. Desiring to learn how laws are created in the General Assembly of Indiana he became a member of that body and completed his education in 1919 and 1920. The old ancestor, John Tuthill, departed from England in the yr 1638 and settled on Long Island at or near Orient. The descendants of the original John in large numbers still dwell in eastern L.I. and on the continent some eight miles north and in some whole counties can scarcely be found and inhabitnat who is not a descendant or married to a descendant of the original John; other departing therefrom have found homes in nearly every state of the Union. Family lore has a branch of this family trekking north to Vermont, the journey consuming 3 full years; as a child was born each year, the route traveled can now approximately be traced by the place where these births occurred. The immediate line of Judge Harry, traveled west into NJ where it was divided; one of the brothers going further west, bought a farm in Slocum Hollow, (now Scranton) and coal being discovered on his farm sold it for $20,000. Thereafter until his death, this branch of the family was known as the "rich uncle". Mr. Tuthill's grandfather, Gideon, who was a surveyor, traveled north to Newburgh, Orange Co. NY and much of the land in east Orange Co. was originall treaced, platted and staked by him. In 1835 this ancestor, Gideon Tuthill and his wife Margaret Paddock, with 8 children chartered a boat, poled up the Hudson to the Erie Canal and then west on the canal to near Cayuga Lake, they again took to water passage and finally arrived at Ithaca. They bought a farm on the uppermost top of Durphy Hill, 5 miles se of Ithaca, this became their home until the death of Gideon and his wife in 1867. A tale told of the trek from Newburg to Ithaca has Gideon's family spending their nights at the taverns that dotted all main highways in this era. One morning Mrs. Tuthill went to the kitchen to help prepare breakfast, as was the custom, upon engaging in conversation with the old lady, she was astounded to learn she was her own sister who had married and with her husband had gone into what was then the far west of NY before Mrs. Tuthill herself had been born. Cyrus Tuthill, father of Judge Harry, returned to Orange Co. NY and married Frances Beakes. He engaged in merchandising in Orange Co for a while and then migrated to Dowagiac, MI. He continued in merchandising and farming in MI. In 1874 he was elected secretary of the Farmers Mutural Fire Co. of Cass Co. Cyrus Tuthill continued in this position for 20 years and retired at an advanced age. Judge Harry's mother was a wonderful women; a farmer's daughter with a thorough knowledge of music, Latin, French, could converse on all the great authors, as well as the Bible. Mr. Tuthill mrd Alice M. Wells, who parents descend from Old English families Her mother, Phebe Carr, was a descendant of Benjamin Car b in London in 1592, his descendants were in RI in 1635. Peter Well, the ancestor of her father lived in RI in 1638. Her father, Henry B. Wells at a young age was a conductor on the Michigan Central, before the time of the telegraph. In 1852 he was in charge of the first lock and dock constructed at Sautl Ste. Marie and when he returned 50 yrs later in 1902 they were as strong as when they were built under his supervision. Mr. and Mrs. Tuthill have two children, Lotta Grace and Ralph W. Lotta Grace and Ralph A. Vail have been mrd for 10 yrs.(1927) Mr. Vail is a construction manager for Dodge Automotive Works in Detroit where they reside. He is considered one of the most expert in his field. Lotta and Ralph are the parnets of one son, Harry T. Vail. Ralph W. Tuthill is a business man in Michigan City and is married to Winifred Maxwell, dau of P.W. Maxwell, retired businessman of Michigan City; Ralph and Winifred have 3 children; Elizabeth, Richard, and John.

I have a Tuttle line with some Cherokee ancestry also. Henry Clay TUTTLE, b. Mar. 11, 1853, m. Julia Woods on August 31, 1870 in Christian Co, MO. Julia's parents were killed by bushwackers. The story goes as follows: Her father was Scottish and mother was full-blooded Cherokee. Someone supposedly disaproved of their "mixed marriage" and killed them. One of the parents was supposedly killed by dragging behind a horse. They had heard that the bushwackers were coming and hid Julia and her sister by the river. Their children, which would be 1/4 Native American were: John, Maudenor, Susan, Charles, Karl Stella, William, and Dixie Tuttle. Tom Stevenson Stevenson genealogy page at: http://www.StevensonFamily.com Drury genealogy page at: http://www.DruryFamily.com Gideon Genealogy page at: http://members.tripod.com/~MrCIO/index-gideon.html Researching AUBUCHON*CARRON*DRURY*GIDEON*GIDLEY* HAYDEN*HEMPHILL*LOGAN*LYONS*McCAULEY*McKINNEY* POLLOCK*REID*SANDS*STEVENSON*TELFORD*TUTTLE*WOODS

Dear Jackie, Rachel Tuttle has two sons still living who confirm the following: She was definitely full-blooded Cherokee Indian. She was definitely the daughter of William Riley Tuttle and Cynthia Ann Thornsberry and Rachel was definitely not adopted, according to her son Lawrence whom I spoke with in 1995 in person (who by the way has full possession of mental faculties including memory, and has no depressive disorders). I have no idea who William Riley Tuttle's father was, but the name McCloud is a rumor. William Riley Tuttle's mother was Sarah M. Tuttle, aka "Sally" of Scott Co VA. Her mother was Nancy Tuttle of Scott Co VA 1850 census. Sincerely, Deborah Keser

Looking for info on Daniel TUTTLE and family. His children are said to have been born in St. Lawrence County, NY circa 1790-1813. Daniel's children were Durin H., Polly, Daniel, Enoch, Ichabod, Sarah, Joel, and John TUTTLE. Daniel TUTTLE died in Dearborn, Wayne County, Michigan 13 Oct 1830.

Looking for more info on Horatio TUTTLE (son of Salmon TUTTLE and Polly HOPKINS), b. Sheffield, MA, 1832, married Eliza Jane BURTON (not entirely sure of this last name) July 15, 1858 in Pendleton, KY. Children were Frank, b. 1864 and one other son. Eliza died when they were small. Frank TUTTLE married Agnes Ellen BOYLE ORMOND in TX in 1894, and had nine children, one of which was my grandmother. Thanks! Joan

Deborah Keser, Maybe you are lucky, if Rachel was full blooded Cherokee, your not really a Tuttle, i.e. no bad genes. Jackie

In a message dated 9/9/99 10:02:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jackie@alpena.cc.mi.us writes: << From: jackie@alpena.cc.mi.us (Eugenia J. Soncrant) To: TUTTLE-L@rootsweb.com Deborah Keser, Maybe you are lucky, if Rachel was full blooded Cherokee, your not really a Tuttle, i.e. no bad genes. Jackie >> From: jackie@alpena.cc.mi.us (Eugenia J. Soncrant) To: TUTTLE-L@rootsweb.com To: Jackie I was particularly interested in the Cherokee notation, as that is where I started doing research on TUTTLE family back in June of this year when my oldest brother died. I don't know where the note I made is at this minute, but I found that an American Indian named "Mioma" married a David Tuttle and they had six (6) children. One of them was a William, so I am still interested in checking that line of Tuttles. I have been told that by my mother that there was American Indian blood in the Tuttles, but I am unsure which Tuttle or Tuttles married American Indians. I am inclined to believe that there may well be more than just one instance. It is very interesting, so I would like to learn more about this aspect of TUTTLE family history. Send any information or stories you develop or name files to: TuttleEsq@aol.com Appreciatively, William R. Tuttle, Esq. Abington, MA 02351-2449

Is Jedediah Hurd, (b. 14 Oct. 1721) husband of Abigail Baker, a descendant of Hannah Tuttle through her son John Hurd? Is anyone working on this line? Thank you, Steve Lentz

1. My Tuttle line and info you can see at www.aros.net/~deboraht/genealogy.htm 2. My Tuttles are reported to be Quakers by their living descendants. None of my Tuttles were depressed, nor killed anyone, including themselves, as far as their descendants know. Of course everyone knows today that smokers are killing themselves, but these Tuttles didn't know that so it doesn't count. But I think they might have killed themselves if they kept reading these list messages about depressed Tuttles because they might start to think they were depressed and have become convinced that depression is hopeless because it's genetic and unavoidable becausse it's genetic. Especially if they read about all this ancestral depression around winter holidays, when suicide rates are increased. You know, suicide risk is much higher in people who are aware of relatives who have committed suicide. It's hard to tell the state of mind of recipients of a mailing list. Maybe I'm depressed. Or maybe I've got the homicidal Tuttle genes and I'm getting really pissed (can I say that here?) at some people on the Tuttle list. 3. On my website, you won't read about Rachel Tuttle. She died of a stroke. She was singing on the way to the hospital to die, her favorite Baptist Church hymn, something demonstrating her faith in going to heaven. She was raised a Quaker before her dad joined the Baptist Church and later became a minister. She probably had to say "thee" and "thou" all the time when she was a teenager, had to wear grey or black all the time, no mirrors allowed, no dancing, and no ribbons for her hair. Now if that don't make a teenager depressed I don't know what would. Maybe she wasn't really a Tuttle but only took the name to avoid being deported. She was full-blooded Cherokee Indian. Rumor has it that her mother was one of "the Tuttle girls had children out of wedlock with Indians". Maybe her dad was a rapist. Everybody that knew Rachel said she had a heart of gold and was always happy. But not manic. 4. Her son was my grandfather. He got depressed....once. Everybody gets depressed sometimes. (Some people have a good reason to be depressed for a long time and it's not a genetic depression. Life really beats many of us up, you know. I think there's some kids in Turkey now that are gonna be depressed for a long time and they don't have Tuttle ancestors either. Back to my grandpa. He wanted to go into the Army in order to get out of the coal mines so he could feed his family better. But, he didn't pass the physical exam because he had asthma. He came home from the physical, shut the bedroom door and didn't come out for four days without a sound, my dad said. That was the end of his depression. He never tried to kill anyone (unless you count trying to get in the army for world war II). You know why I do genealogy? Because of this man. He died when I was eleven, from lung cancer, probably black lung disease combined with cigarette smoking. I remember visiting him in the hospital just before he died. After he died, I started seeing him in dreams, in the next life, wearing a white robe just like everybody else wore in this beautiful place like a garden. My grandpa showed me some people standing nearby and told me to listen very carefully, that he had something very important to tell me, then he said that "these are your people" and they needed me to do this genealogy. Maybe because it was important for them that people know there were some Tuttles who weren't genetically depressed or homicidal. Seriously, He didn't tell me why, but some of the people standing there cried because I didn't understand what they needed me to do. I had to find that out on my own years later. I recently was given a picture of one of my Tuttle ancestors, and I cried when I saw it, because I recognized it as one of the men standing there in my dream, William Riley Tuttle, father of Rachel and grandfather of my grandfather who spoke to me in the dream. I cried, but I wasn't depressed. I was happy. I wonder if that proves I was adopted and don't have Tuttle ancestors after all. Sincerely, Deborah Keser