Gail, Thank you for sending this update and explanation on the latest DNA results. I can't tell you enough times what a wonderful job you are doing in directing this project and keeping all the information straight for us. I am VERY happy about the new matchups for Fielding! Pam "Gail R. Blancett" <ablancett@atlantic.net> wrote: I'll be sending some new results to my webmaster tomorrow. Because there is usually a bit of a delay for him to get them uploaded to our Turner DNA Project website, I wanted to let those who monitor these two lists what the new lines and findings will be. We now have 220 members. We have three 3 new kits to be added. Two represent additional lines tested from the same oldest known ancestor which confirm that we have a good DNA signature. One is an entirely new line and one I think is very exciting. I'm hoping it will open up some doors for kits that turn out to match on 12 markers IF the remaining markers (13-37) continue to match them closely. Kit # 72756 is from John Turner b c 1805 in TN died 1870 in Cocke Co., TN married to Mary (maiden name unknown). The Haplogroup is the less common E3b and the only two we have in the Turner project at this point of this haplogroup. John Turner b c 1805 TN d 1870 Cocke Co. TN m Mary James Howell/Howard Turner b c 1828 TN d 1865 Cocke Co. TN m (1) Sarah "Saida" Fox Absolam Fox Turner b 1852 Cocke Co. TN d 1915 Culleoka, Maury Co. TN m Amanda Buckner James Anderson Turner b 1877 Cocke Co. TN d 1944 Maury Co. TN m (2) Anna Maggie Austin This particular testee is through their son James H. Turner born about 1828 in TN who died in 1865 in Cocke Co., TN; our first testee was through John and Mary's son John E. Turner 1838-1864. We know that John and Mary Turner were in Cocke Co. TN from 1839 and were first on the 1840 Census there. We do not know where he was located before this date but all children are listed as born in TN. Interestingly, there was a Nathan Turner on the 1830 Census one house away from Absolam Fox (1810 NC) that we believe is the Fox family with which at least two of John and Mary's children intermarried. Cocke Co. TN records were destroyed in the 1876 Court house fire making it difficult to research this family. James Howell/Howard Turner was married first to Sarah "Saida" Fox within the 1850 Census year. In 1850, he and Sarah are enumerated directly next door to Abolam Fox b. 1810 NC and wife Elizabeth. A court case involving descendants of John and Mary Turner which went to the TN Supreme Court for final resolution documents that James Howell or Howard Turner was married to "Saida" Fox and that they had 3 children--Absolam, Elizabeth and John--before Saida Fox Turner died about 1856, James Howell/Howard Turner married second to Martha Reed and he had 3 children by this second wife--Charles, James and Mary. The court case documents that James Howell/Howard Turner died in 1865 before his father died in 1870. This DNA test result is a good example of the power of DNA testing to resolve questions. James Howell/Howard Turner's son Absolam Fox Turner had first been listed on the 1860 Census as Absolam "Fox" (age 9) living in the household of John (1805) and Mary (1799) Turner. By 1870 and thereafter, he was always listed as Absolam Turner. In the court case, he specifically stated that he was living with his grandparents, John and Mary Turner. However, some people researching the family of Absolam Fox (almost certainly the father of Sarah "Saida" Fox) saw that him mislisted in the 1860 Census as "Fox" and made the assumption that this child must be a child of Absolam Fox (1810-1860). However, when combined with the extensive court case (over 250 pages) plus all later census records and now the DNA test result for a male Turner directly descended from Absolam Fox Turner (1852-1915) which is a perfect 12/12 match to the descendant of another son of John and Mary Turner, it is 100% clear that he was the son of James Howard/Howell Turner and grandson of John and Mary Turner. He was not a child of Absolam Fox (1810-1860). Kit #71182 is from Fielding Turner b 1706 Northumberland Co. VA d 1793 Loudoun Co. VA. He is thought to have had 2 or 3 wives--the last being Winifred Hawley (lineage of Kit 11893). Lineage from the newest testee is from Fielding's first wife, believed to be Ann: Fielding Turner b 1706 Northumberland Co. VA d 1793 Loudoun Co. VA William Turner b 1733 d c 1823 probably Wood Co. VA/WV m Sarah Ellzey Thomasin Ellzey Turner b 1773 Fairfax Co. VA d 1850 Fabius Twp. Marion Co. MO m Mary Ann Robert E. Turner b 1801 VA d 1886 Harrisonville, Meigs Co. OH m Elizabeth Bradfield William Presley Turner b 1838 Harrisonville, Meigs Co. OH d 1923 Harrisonville, Meigs Co. OH m (1) Henrietta Gorslin Delbert Mansfield Turner b 1872 Harrisonville, Meigs Co. OH d 1956 Meigs Co. OH m Cora E. Hull Henry Clinton Turner b 1904 Harrisonville, Meigs Co. OH d 1990 Middleport, Meigs Co. OH This test kit was a welcome addition to the project as we needed very much to have a descendant from one of the older children of Fielding Turner which could be well documented to confirm that we had a reliable DNA signature to represent Fielding Turner. As I have mentioned to various people, I was a little bit uncomfortable that the DNA signature we had for our first testee from this line. He descended from Fielding's child born after Fielding's death and might have a possible problem with the paternity. I hope that does not upset anyone by my suggesting this but with Fielding would have been in his late 80s when he fathered James Hawley Turner, I felt that I would like to have at least one other confirming test result. We now have what appear to be three men tested from the line of Fielding Turner and I think that there can be little question that we have a reliable DNA signature for him. Kit #N17529 apparently is the one with one mutation in the first panel of markers. One reason this has been so important to confirm is because Fielding (1706) appears to be the man who was made guardian of the children of Edward Turner who left a will in 1738 in St. Stephen's Parish, Northumberland Co. VA. There was also a John Turner who left a will in 1742 in St. Stephen's Parish, Northumberland Co. VA and it had usually been speculated that those two men were likely brothers. We have a line tested that is from George Turner b 1731 in Northumberland Co. VA who is thought to be the son named in the will of John (will of 1742 Northumberland Co. VA). The assumption has always been that Fielding Turner was related to Edward (1738 will). Thus, if Edward (will of 1738) and John (will of 1742) were related, the DNA of all descendants of these three men should match. The line from George Turner (1731) does not match the line of Fielding Turner (1706). Thus, either these older ones--Edward, John, and Fielding--are not related or else George Turner (1731) may not be the correct George named in the will of John in 1742. However, extensive research on George and all the others named in the will of John Turner (will 1742) would appear that he is the correct George Turner and these families then moved up into the Fairfax and Loudoun Co. VA area along with collateral families. If there is anyone else who is researching the descendants of John Turner (will 1742) who has a male line directly descended from one of the other sons of John, I would encourage you to please help find a living male descendant who could test to see if we can gain any further understanding of this family and how he might have been related to Edward Turner (will 1738). Likewise, we could use someone who descends from one of the children of Edward (will 1738). Kit #69911. This is a new line to be added to the project and I'm very excited about this one. This is the lineage for this line: Thomas Turner b est 1720-1730s in N. Ireland d 1789 Harford Co. MD m Martha Col. Andrew Turner b 1751 N. Ireland or PA d 1840 Blackhorse, Harford Co. MD m (1) Ann McDonald Eli Turner b 1788 Harford Co. MD d 1863 Madonna, Harford Co. MD m Eleanor Beatty Andrew Turner b 1822 Harford Co. MD d 1866 Madonna, Harford Co. MD m Julia Ann Whiteford James Leslie Whiteford Turner b 1863 Blackhorse, Harford Co. MD d 1950 Blackhorse, Harford Co. MD Robert Roy Turner b 1896 Madonna, Harford Co. MD d 1979 Madonna, Harford Co. MD The history of this family states that Thomas Turner was born in N. Ireland and immigrated first to Chester Co. PA and then, as a result of the border disputes before the PA/MD line was settled, he moved over into MD and settled in the area of Madonna, Harford Co. MD. Col. Andrew Turner was either born in N. Ireland and immigrated with his parents or else he was about 9 years old (thus about 1760) when the family came to the colonies. The preliminary 12 marker results on the DNA for this kit (37 will be coming) is that at the present time, he is a 12/12 marker match to a group of Turners we already have in the project. This is our Group 18 (Bright Green group) on our Turner DNA results chart. At least one of these in this group knows they descend from an ancestor born in Co. Tyrone, Ireland, in 1803 and immigrated in 1836. Several of the others are located in PA at an early date. If this match continues to hold with more markers, this could help all of them begin to identify the region in N. Ireland to do more fruitful research. Additionally, the reason this person was sought out to test is because a group of Turners that settled in York Co., SC had been said, by an earlier now deceased researcher, to be descended from Thomas Turner (d. 1789 Harford Co. MD). We sought this man to test to confirm that connection. They DO NOT match so it is clear that the York Co. Turners do not descend from this Thomas Turner d 1789 Harford Co. MD. Again, I can not emphasize enough that this is another powerful example of how DNA testing when combined with other research can help prove or disprove relationships. I would like to find descendants of Thomas (d. 1789) who are said to have gone to Clark Co. OH to test in the project. One of Thomas's sons, Samuel, is said to have moved to Clark Co. OH. We also are looking for someone descended from Samuel Turner born 1762 in MD who settled in York Co. SC prior to 1790 and died in 1857 in York Co. SC to test. He had a son named Andrew Turner (spouse named Jane) who moved to Yell Co. AR. I believe some descendants of this Andrew Turner still live in Yell Co. AR. Additional markers (26-37) were received for Kit #70661. These did not affect the status of this kit with no matches. We have at least four new kits in the lab at present. As always, I encourage you to check the Turner DNA Project's website and find a male Turner of your line of Turners to join in the project. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~turner Click on the word "Results" on the left. Gail R. 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