Gail, Thanks so much for all the information. Genealogy can have quite a few surprises for us and that can make it more interesting. I have three lines I just wish someone would participate in the DNA testing for some answers. Descendents of Littleton Turner (SC to TX), Madison Turner (TN to TX0 and Ruffin Turner (NC to TX) to find out if we have any connections there. "Gail R. Blancett" <ablancett@atlantic.net> wrote: Lisa, We don't have this particular Little Berry Turner (born 1831) on the chart but we do have descendants of what are almost certainly his two brothers--William Thora Turner and James Turner. See Kit #17945 and #14043 in Group 7 (Pumpkin Colored) on our DNA Project Results chart. Little Berry, James and William T. R. Turner are all listed in the Bible record that belonged to John M. Turner and Sarah Canks or Hanks. This John M. Turner was born around 1800 probably in SC died in 1837 in Benton Co., AL (later called Calhoun Co.). The researchers on that line originally said he was a son of Zachariah Turner who in turn was said to be son of William and Sarah Denny Turner. However, somehow or other, I think there is a problem on this as this group DOES NOT match two other lines that are also said to be sons of William and Sarah Denny Turner. At this point, we can't say for sure which line is incorrectly traced but it does appear to me (and I know I may make some folks mad here) that the paper trail makes a bit more sense for the two lines to Daniel Turner and to Nathan Turner (which also claim William and Sarah Denny Turner) to be correct. They are Kits #41832 and #31580 (Group 20--Slate Blue) on our results chart. We know from deed records in Laurens Co., SC, tax, land lottery and deeds in Franklin Co., GA, and records in Roane Co., TN that it appears we can group together a William with wife Sarah, Zachariah Turner, Nathan Turner, and Daniel Turner with that migration path. John M. Turner is born in SC about 1800, marries in 1817 (per Bible record) but place not known, and has children being born in the 1819 to about 1825 time period in SC. Exactly where the other children were born isn't as clear. Some of the researchers say he was in Gwinnett Co., GA in 1830. To me, it doesn't make since for Zachariah Turner to have gone to TN by 1812 and then have his son marrying and having children in SC in the 1817-1825 time period. What is interesting to me is the most recent result we have for a new member of our Turner DNA Project that may open up something promising for this Pumpkin colored group. We have a man who has a good line back to John Turner who died in 1751 in Isle of Wight, VA. He matches this Pumpkin Group! We also have indications that Kit #28634 also in that Pumpkin Group to a William P. Turner born about 1827 in NC who is in Sumter Co., AL in 1850 living in the household of a Penelope Turner may connect to a Matthew Turner who died about 1811 whose wife was Patience Dickinson. I think this is the Wayne Co., NC Matthew Turner. 1820 Wayne Co., NC has Patience Turner head of household and remains there through 1830 Census. Then she is on 1840 and 1850 Census of Sumter Co., AL. I am NOT saying William P. Turner is their son but related somehow to that group of Turners. This could then connect this Matthew Turner of Wayne Co., NC to the Isle of Wight group based on the DNA. Of course, we need others that know they connect to this group to test. Patience and Matthew Turner apparently had at least one son named Benjamin Dickinson Turner who lived in Sumter Co., AL. My gut level feeling after working on this group of Turners is that the James S. Turner who married Penelope Simms of the Hancock and Taliaferro Co., GA area is related to this group of Turners also. I think he then ties in with Coweta Co., GA. I do believe that the newest result for a descendant of one branch of Turners that we know was in Isle of Wight Co., VA with a Will could help these other folks. The more lines with good documentation back to early lines will eventually allow the DNA project to have a major impact in our understanding of how these groups are related or not related and follow migration routes that they took as they moved across the US. Gail R. Blancett Administrator Turner DNA Project lisa chatelain wrote: >Do we have Little Berry on the DNA chart? > > > > > ==== TURNER Mailing List ==== Turner list website - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/t/turner.html ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx Lisa Chatelain --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.