Dear Ulrich, I'm not sure whether they may be a connection, but there are certainly some coincidences. My GG-grandfather was Edmund Swan TURNER, supposedly born in Hereford in about 1820 to John M***del TURNER (could he be anything to do with the John MUNDELL mentioned as a witness at the end of the will in your note?) and Sarah Swan. His first marriage took place in Marylebone, London in 1845. I've just sent for the certificate, which may clarify his father's middle name and should also give his profession. I'll keep your note to hand and let you know if I spot a likely link. And perhaps you could do likewise? Deborah, Hampshire, UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ulrich A. K." <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 22 March 2005 20:45 Subject: Turner, Marylebone, Middlesex, England & Staffordshire etc. > Hi list, > > my gr-gr-gr-gr-father was a John Turner, in 1773 of Great Cumberland Street in Middlesex, England, when he was a part in writing his daughter Sarah's mariage bond. > snip< > 1830 the said John Turner Hallon & Gustavus Ward were duly sworn to the truth of this of said Before. Signed John Daubeny Snr. - Present - John J. Mundell - Joh. Pub. - > snip<