Beverly, More thoughts on Henderson Turner. 1850 Census, Oktibbeha Co., MS p. 266 #146 John B. Turner-----30 M---SC---------Farmer Isabella------------37 F-----SC Mary--------------14 F-----SC John---------------12 M-----GA Margaret-----------10 F-----GA Robert---------------8 M----GA James----------------6 M----MS [I don't know if he is related to the others I'll list but there was a Lampkin household one away from him and Lampkins living near the others] p. 267 #187 Thom Davis-----58----SC household Living in this household Hamilton Turner---22 M---SC---Farmer p. 270B #205 Thomas F. Turner----54 M----SC---Farmer----RE $300 Elizabeth-------------52 F------SC Millage--------------?24 M-----SC--Student Critendon-----------?20 M------GA--Farmer Martha--------------15 F--------GA Joseph---------------15 M-------GA Jane------------------14 F-------AL Eliza-------------------7 F--------AL #210 Pilate Hunt-------------21 M----SC--Farmer Minerva----------------19 F #211 Franklin Turner----------34 M-------SC---Farmer Keziah------------------50 F---------SC Sarah--------------------7 F---------MS John Hunt---------------19 M--------SC George Hunt------------14 M--------SC Keziah Hunt-------------15 F--------SC Willie Shaw-------------13 M Answer Watson---------18 M [Gail's notes: Keziah Turner listed here is the widow of William Lacy Hunt who died in 1836 in Greenville Co., SC. She is said to be the daughter of John McClanahan and Mary Robinson. She came to the area in late 1839 or early 1840 with a group led by her oldest son, Esli/Esly Hunt (enumerated in 1850 in Winston Co., MS). Her children were: Julia Ann b. 1815 (m. Hendricks); Esly b. 1820; Orpha b. 1824 (m. Buckner); Rosa b 1827 (m. Moss); Pilate b. 1828; John b. 1830; George b. 1833; Keziah b. 1835. I knew from estate records in Greenville Co. that she had gone to MS to be "near her family." At first I thought this couldn't be her married to this younger Franklin Turner and thought perhaps the census taker had just failed to list her as Hunt and instead had her listed as Turner. But, after working on this group some more, I finally decided that in fact she had married this younger Franklin Turner. I am guessing that this Franklin Turner is probably the son of Thomas F. Turner and Elizabeth here but again, I'm speculating on that connection. The 1860 Census gives some more insights.] p. 271A #214-214 Henderson Turner----30 M---SC---Farmer Susan-----------------23 F----NC Christopher------------3 M----MS John-------------------1 M----MS [I'm sure you recognize this as your Henderson Turner. He is in Magnolia Twp, Columbia Co., AR in 1860] #217 Robert Crenshaw-----47 M Mary-----------------40 F John W. Leatherman----14 M Martha------------------13 F [I don't know if there is a connection here or not to these Turners but.....Mary Hart who was married to Zion/Sion Turner of Greenville Co., SC had a sister who was married to a Robert Crenshaw. This Robert is much too young to be that same Robert and there was lots of intermarriage of Crenshaws and Turners all over so may not be significant at all. I just noticed the name as neighbors.] 1860 Census, Oktibehha Co., MS p. 15 (all page numbers were handwritten page; didn't find a stamped page number on any of them) #133 Gideon T. Turner-------32 M----SC---Farmer ----RE $6400/Per. Prop. $10,300 Ruhana-----------------22 F-----AL [Gail's notes: Gideon Turner was enumerated in 1850 in Winston Co., MS in household of William and Frances Turner. Birthplace for him in 1850 was listed as AL.] p. 82 #622 George Washington------33 M--SC--Farming----$11,400/$34,600 Maryareh----------------29 F---NC children James Turner-------------13 M---AL [Last name on George is Washington, not Turner. This may be the James Turner age 6 in household of John B. in 1850] p. 88 #672 Houshold of James McCaul---46 M---NC Farmer Living with his family was: John Turner---------20 M--AL (by ditto)--Overseeing [This looks like John Turner as 12 in household of John B. in 1850] p. 120 #939 Kezziah Turner-----59 F---SC---Farming----$600/$4,000 Kezziah Hunt-------25 F---(idiot) John Bagwell-------26 M---AL----Farming Sarah Bagwell------18 F----MS Ida Turner----------100 F----Black-----VA [So, hear it is clear that Kezziah was not accidentally listed as Turner in 1850 but had married Franklin Turner. Looks like Sarah Turner age 7 in 1850 has married John Bagwell] p. 121 #941 Pilate Hunt-------30 M---SC---Farming----$2,600/12,800 Minerva---------29 F----AL William-----------9 Celia-------------6 Obin-------------4 M John--------------2 Orfa Buckner-----36 F----SC----$500/4,000 [Note: Pilate and Orfa are children of William Lacy Hunt and Keziah] #942-807 Bettie Turner---------61 F----SC--Farming----Insane Millage---------------32 M----SC-----$1600/400 Jane-----------------20 F-----AL Eliza-----------------17 F-----AL Hamilton-------------30 M---SC---$3200/200--Gin Agent #942-808 (appears to be living in same household with Bettie) Martin Clark---------35 M----GA Martha---------------25 F----GA Mary-----------------6 F Joseph----------------4 M #945 John Hunt---------28 M----$1200/2550 SC Missannia----------26 F William-------------7 David---------------5 Alice---------------3 J. Hunt Guardian for--)------------0/500 Kezziah Hunt---------) [Note: it would appear that this listing is the notation of the value of the personal property (probably slaves) belonging to the idiot daughter Kezziah Hunt who was 25 years old in 1850] #946 McDuffie Hunt------27 M----SC----$2,400/1,250 Sarah----------------23 F William---------------5 Thomas---------------3 [This is George McDuffie Hunt] There is a Thomas Turner mentioned in the records of the Peters Creek Church of Pickens Co., SC. This church was just over the border to the west of Greenville Co., SC and many of these families lived on both sides of the Saluda River which separated the two counties. From those records, it appeared that Thomas Turner's wife was named Elizabeth because there were records of admissions and dismissals at the same time. There was also something in the records about their asking for letters of dismissal about 1830. There are also notes in the minutes about a dispute between Lacy Hunt and Thomas Turner and it sounded like Lacy Hunt was a member of a church in Greenville County while Thomas Turner was a member of the Peters Creek Church. They had asked some brethren from the two churches to sit down with the men to see if they could settle the issue. There was a long period of the church minutes that were were no mention of the Turners and then suddenly in 1850 it stated "Thomas Turner who had left about 20 years earlier was back." I don't know if this is the same Thomas who asked for letters of dismissal in 1830 or not. If so, did he leave poor Bettie in MS and come back? They could be two different Thomas Turners in the minutes. But, for sure, these Hunts that the Turners that Henderson seems to be near in 1850 are from Greenville Co., SC and the Turners may be those from the Pickens/Greenville area. Gail

We have a Turner/Crenshaw possible connection. Our Samuel Turner was born about 1812 SC, arrived in TX in 1837, lived in Jasper Co, TX and Trinity Co, TX. He died after 1860 census but before 1870 as far as we know. One of his sons, William Cecil Turner, was on the 1880 census living with a Crenshaw family and have wondered if they were relatives. "Gail R. Blancett" <[email protected]> wrote:Beverly, More thoughts on Henderson Turner. 1850 Census, Oktibbeha Co., MS p. 266 #146 John B. Turner-----30 M---SC---------Farmer Isabella------------37 F-----SC Mary--------------14 F-----SC John---------------12 M-----GA Margaret-----------10 F-----GA Robert---------------8 M----GA James----------------6 M----MS [I don't know if he is related to the others I'll list but there was a Lampkin household one away from him and Lampkins living near the others] p. 267 #187 Thom Davis-----58----SC household Living in this household Hamilton Turner---22 M---SC---Farmer p. 270B #205 Thomas F. Turner----54 M----SC---Farmer----RE $300 Elizabeth-------------52 F------SC Millage--------------?24 M-----SC--Student Critendon-----------?20 M------GA--Farmer Martha--------------15 F--------GA Joseph---------------15 M-------GA Jane------------------14 F-------AL Eliza-------------------7 F--------AL #210 Pilate Hunt-------------21 M----SC--Farmer Minerva----------------19 F #211 Franklin Turner----------34 M-------SC---Farmer Keziah------------------50 F---------SC Sarah--------------------7 F---------MS John Hunt---------------19 M--------SC George Hunt------------14 M--------SC Keziah Hunt-------------15 F--------SC Willie Shaw-------------13 M Answer Watson---------18 M [Gail's notes: Keziah Turner listed here is the widow of William Lacy Hunt who died in 1836 in Greenville Co., SC. She is said to be the daughter of John McClanahan and Mary Robinson. She came to the area in late 1839 or early 1840 with a group led by her oldest son, Esli/Esly Hunt (enumerated in 1850 in Winston Co., MS). Her children were: Julia Ann b. 1815 (m. Hendricks); Esly b. 1820; Orpha b. 1824 (m. Buckner); Rosa b 1827 (m. Moss); Pilate b. 1828; John b. 1830; George b. 1833; Keziah b. 1835. I knew from estate records in Greenville Co. that she had gone to MS to be "near her family." At first I thought this couldn't be her married to this younger Franklin Turner and thought perhaps the census taker had just failed to list her as Hunt and instead had her listed as Turner. But, after working on this group some more, I finally decided that in fact she had married this younger Franklin Turner. I am guessing that this Franklin Turner is probably the son of Thomas F. Turner and Elizabeth here but again, I'm speculating on that connection. The 1860 Census gives some more insights.] p. 271A #214-214 Henderson Turner----30 M---SC---Farmer Susan-----------------23 F----NC Christopher------------3 M----MS John-------------------1 M----MS [I'm sure you recognize this as your Henderson Turner. He is in Magnolia Twp, Columbia Co., AR in 1860] #217 Robert Crenshaw-----47 M Mary-----------------40 F John W. Leatherman----14 M Martha------------------13 F [I don't know if there is a connection here or not to these Turners but.....Mary Hart who was married to Zion/Sion Turner of Greenville Co., SC had a sister who was married to a Robert Crenshaw. This Robert is much too young to be that same Robert and there was lots of intermarriage of Crenshaws and Turners all over so may not be significant at all. I just noticed the name as neighbors.] 1860 Census, Oktibehha Co., MS p. 15 (all page numbers were handwritten page; didn't find a stamped page number on any of them) #133 Gideon T. Turner-------32 M----SC---Farmer ----RE $6400/Per. Prop. $10,300 Ruhana-----------------22 F-----AL [Gail's notes: Gideon Turner was enumerated in 1850 in Winston Co., MS in household of William and Frances Turner. Birthplace for him in 1850 was listed as AL.] p. 82 #622 George Washington------33 M--SC--Farming----$11,400/$34,600 Maryareh----------------29 F---NC children James Turner-------------13 M---AL [Last name on George is Washington, not Turner. This may be the James Turner age 6 in household of John B. in 1850] p. 88 #672 Houshold of James McCaul---46 M---NC Farmer Living with his family was: John Turner---------20 M--AL (by ditto)--Overseeing [This looks like John Turner as 12 in household of John B. in 1850] p. 120 #939 Kezziah Turner-----59 F---SC---Farming----$600/$4,000 Kezziah Hunt-------25 F---(idiot) John Bagwell-------26 M---AL----Farming Sarah Bagwell------18 F----MS Ida Turner----------100 F----Black-----VA [So, hear it is clear that Kezziah was not accidentally listed as Turner in 1850 but had married Franklin Turner. Looks like Sarah Turner age 7 in 1850 has married John Bagwell] p. 121 #941 Pilate Hunt-------30 M---SC---Farming----$2,600/12,800 Minerva---------29 F----AL William-----------9 Celia-------------6 Obin-------------4 M John--------------2 Orfa Buckner-----36 F----SC----$500/4,000 [Note: Pilate and Orfa are children of William Lacy Hunt and Keziah] #942-807 Bettie Turner---------61 F----SC--Farming----Insane Millage---------------32 M----SC-----$1600/400 Jane-----------------20 F-----AL Eliza-----------------17 F-----AL Hamilton-------------30 M---SC---$3200/200--Gin Agent #942-808 (appears to be living in same household with Bettie) Martin Clark---------35 M----GA Martha---------------25 F----GA Mary-----------------6 F Joseph----------------4 M #945 John Hunt---------28 M----$1200/2550 SC Missannia----------26 F William-------------7 David---------------5 Alice---------------3 J. Hunt Guardian for--)------------0/500 Kezziah Hunt---------) [Note: it would appear that this listing is the notation of the value of the personal property (probably slaves) belonging to the idiot daughter Kezziah Hunt who was 25 years old in 1850] #946 McDuffie Hunt------27 M----SC----$2,400/1,250 Sarah----------------23 F William---------------5 Thomas---------------3 [This is George McDuffie Hunt] There is a Thomas Turner mentioned in the records of the Peters Creek Church of Pickens Co., SC. This church was just over the border to the west of Greenville Co., SC and many of these families lived on both sides of the Saluda River which separated the two counties. From those records, it appeared that Thomas Turner's wife was named Elizabeth because there were records of admissions and dismissals at the same time. There was also something in the records about their asking for letters of dismissal about 1830. There are also notes in the minutes about a dispute between Lacy Hunt and Thomas Turner and it sounded like Lacy Hunt was a member of a church in Greenville County while Thomas Turner was a member of the Peters Creek Church. They had asked some brethren from the two churches to sit down with the men to see if they could settle the issue. There was a long period of the church minutes that were were no mention of the Turners and then suddenly in 1850 it stated "Thomas Turner who had left about 20 years earlier was back." I don't know if this is the same Thomas who asked for letters of dismissal in 1830 or not. If so, did he leave poor Bettie in MS and come back? They could be two different Thomas Turners in the minutes. But, for sure, these Hunts that the Turners that Henderson seems to be near in 1850 are from Greenville Co., SC and the Turners may be those from the Pickens/Greenville area. 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Lisa, I'm on vacation for two weeks. Checking my mail at a little library in Oklahoma. Be in touch when I get home. Gail Quoting lisa chatelain <[email protected]>: > We have a Turner/Crenshaw possible connection. Our Samuel Turner was born > about 1812 SC, arrived in TX in 1837, lived in Jasper Co, TX and Trinity Co, > TX. He died after 1860 census but before 1870 as far as we know. One of his > sons, William Cecil Turner, was on the 1880 census living with a Crenshaw > family and have wondered if they were relatives. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent through Atlantic.Net Webmail. Sick of pop-up ads and climbing prices? Visit www.atlantic.net to get pure Internet for $19.95/mo.