Donald, I agree. I think the DNA testing is your answer. I was trying to find everything on paper and then two members of our family participated in the DNA testing and we now know the ancestor is William Turner out of Scotland. It also eliminated a few Turners I thought were possibly kin and was so convinced of it that I had spent a lot of time at the library trying to find information that would prove they were in the same family. After the DNA testing I don't even bother to do any research unless I havre a DNA group match. Donald, get the DNA test will give you answers to a lot of your questions! Philip Turner <tutor7798@yahoo.com> wrote: Donald, Have you tried Family Tree DNA? They do Y(male) DNA test for ancestry research. Results might not give you an exact ancestor, but very likely indicate an extended family. Their URL is below: http://www.familytreedna.com/ Another possibility is the Turner DNA project which works with Family Tree DNA. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~turnerdna/ Donald Turner wrote: I ask this question several times a year but I still do not know who the father of Joseph Turner sr might be. I have had several wrong answers sent. Here is what I know about him, Joseph Turner sr was born ABT 1750 in VA. and died before November 1800 in Montgomery Co. KY. He was married at least twice, An unknown wife before 1775 and Sarah Parsons in 1789.He had the following children. Mary Jane Turner ----- b. 1774-1775 William Turner B.-- --- before 1775 Thomas Joseph Jr -- --b. 1776-1782 George W. Turner - -- b. 1791 Sudduth David Turner - b 1793 James W. Turner -----b.1795 Phoebe Turner ----------b.1798 I am about ready to admit that he must have been born in a cabbage patch. Donald ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TURNER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TURNER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Lisa Chatelain --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.

Donald is already one of our Turner DNA Project members. He has matches but all are known to be related to the same Joseph Turner where they are still at a brick wall. Because there was a family tradition that they came from Bedford Co. VA, the researchers originally thought they surely were connected to the big group (our R1a and R1a1--all are probably actually R1a1). Many of that group connect to a James Turner of Bedford Co. VA. However, the DNA testing shows they are not part of that group. Several new lines have been added to the results chart and a number of kits have had additional markers added to their results. Be sure and check the latest chart (dated 1-27-2007). Go to the URL for our project website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~turnerdna/ Click on the word on the left "Results." The chart is quite large and it will take a while to download. I think it may be too large for anyone using WebTV and if you are on a dial-up you are going to have quite a wait. Also, if you use bookmarks for favorites, bookmark our project website but DO NOT bookmark the results chart. The URL for the results chart will change everytime it is updated so if you use a bookmark you will not get the latest updated results. I'm working on an outline the newest lines we have added and some comments I try to share with you as things progress. I believe that one of the newest results we have gotten is a major breakthrough in terms of understanding some of relationships of the early immigrants into Maryland. One of our members has asked me if I would expand the scope of our existing Turner DNA Project beyond the stated region that has defined our project from its beginning. That was to mainly target Turners who are believed to have their roots in the mid-Atlantic region of the American colonies (primarily MD, VA, and PA) and then followed various migration routes--primarily to the south. Most of our project members (now 234) fit that stated region. However, we have had people choose to join even though they knew their Turners did not fit that targeted area. So, we do have some major lines from New England in the project as well as a number of lines that are still in the UK and some from Australia and New Zealand as well. Some of our members were not in that region but have come into the project as part of the National Geographic Society's Genographic Project conversion option. When Nancy Grogan and I were setting up the project, we wanted to have the scope such that there would be a reasonably good chance of finding a connection between a DNA match and a paper trail that would help us find the common ancestor. Because Turner is a very common name and the potential number of members could reach large numbers, we also wanted to have a project that we felt we could manage. We do leave the join link "open" at the FTDNA website rather than screening members as many of the surname projects do. Thus, we do not exclude anyone who wants to join our Turner project (as long as they are a male Turner) even though their family does not fit exactly within the parameters we have specified. Just understand that because my knowledge of Turners (which is pretty large) is primarily Southern US, that is the area that I will be most knowledgeable in terms of actual records and Turner lines that were in the area and might have some insight as to how a match is occurring. Be sure that if you join it is through the Turner project so you get the reduced group rate as well as having your results compared to our members. Once in a while I discover that someone has tested individually outside of the project and they aren't getting the benefit of having done the test because their results aren't compared to our members. We also have several members who have had their NGS Genographic project results moved into our project but they don't send me their lineage. If they have done only the 12 marker test which is the test used in the Genographic project, they can't always tell which of our groups they are really apt to fit into. This is because we have a few groups that are the same on 12 markers but then clearly split off to form separate groups when more markers are compared. What would help them as well our other members is to know what their lineage is and where their earliest known ancestor was located geographically. A quick item I also want to mention. If you e-mail me about our DNA project and you do not get a response within a reasonable time period (usually almost immediately or at worst in a day or so), please e-mail me again. I am finding that a surprising number of e-mails I send out do not get delivered or they may land in a spam file. I also know that I am not receiving all the e-mail that people have sent to me. I have two e-mail addresses but either should work. Gail R. Blancett, Administrator, Turner DNA Project lisa chatelain wrote: >Donald, > I agree. I think the DNA testing is your answer. > >