I don't ASSUME anything. My grandmother told me she was french canadian and was born in Toronto to french canadian parents. They all spoke french fluently. They very well could also have been irish Turner's or English Turner's. We don't have enough information that gives us proof positive though and I am certainly open to options other than the french canadian theory. Finding my gt. gr. fathers first name and my gt. gr. mother's maiden name would certainly go a long way to solving this puzzle. It's very frustrating for three generations of our family to research and not be able to get those two simple answers as you can imagine. Thanks for throwing that idea my way. DeeAnn Ludden Moore gaelic@oasisol.com