Hi Philip, As soon as I saw your Smith Turner, I assumed that he had to be a son of Thomas Turner and Catherine Smith. I checked my files and would say that he probably is. I have a copy from the internet of the Thomas Turner bible, Smith Turner is listed as the 10th child. You can get a copy of this at ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ky/madison/bibles/1656-001.txt If you are unable to get to it, let me know and I will send it to you as an attachment or snail mail it to you. Thomas Turner was supposedly born in Spotsylvania Co., Va on Aug 27, 1734, son of John Turner and Sarah Williams. He died Dec 9, 1822 in Madison Co., KY. He married Catherine Smith daughter of Andrew Smith & Annah Yeates. John's Father was probably Thomas Turner a quaker. John was born 1705-1714, died 1768. Sarah Williams was born 1710? died 1778? I know that Thomas Turner and Catherine Smith were in Rowan, Yadkin, NC in Aug 13, 1769, their daughter Annah Turner (my direct line) was born there. Annah married Christopher Columbus Martin Jan 25, 1790 in Madison, KT. The 1759 Rowan County Tax List has a Thos Turner listed, don't know if it is ours. I have not checked out this book, but it is supposed to have been thoroughly researched. "The Turner Family - Discovering the Father of Thomas Turner, John Turner and Philip Turner of Rowan Co., N.C. and Madison CO., KT' by Virginia Darcy Slaughter, 8405 N. Wagon Trail Rd., Columbia, MO 65202. If her research is correct that would give us Philip as Thomas Turner's grandfather. Glad to meet another 'cousin'. Keep in touch. Joyce Ames Hoxsey