All this discussion is very interesting. My mother's family is TURNER and her mother's name was LEMON. One of the things that sent me on my ancestral quest was Mom's coloring. Out of a family of nine, only she and her youngest brother had the same coloring, very dark hair and eyes and rich olive skin coloring. They both always looked as if they had spent all their time working on a deep tan. They also both had somewhat slanted exotic looking eyes. When Mom wore her hair in braids, she looked exactly like she belonged on a reservation somewhere. She didn't get the coloring from the TURNER line, though, it came from her mother who looked EXACTLY like her, coloring and hair and everything. I still work on grandmother LEMON's line since the earliest I can get to is the early 1800s when her grandfather was born. Family history says the LEMONs came from Wales around 1800. Another story says they were Black Dutch from Pa. I've never been able to verify either. Sue Bishop "It was said she held a grudge until it died of old age, and then had it stuffed and mounted...." David Weber