I am a Turney researcher who belongs to the Turner list for several reasons. The main one is....I think Turner is the English spelling of many European names. In early records - say 1740-176, I often can not tell if a land record belongs to a Turner or a Turney without some research. I have posted the following before, but will do so again. >From about 1750 to 1787 my Turney family lived just south of Woodstock, VA. He came to America in Oct 1741 on ship FRIENDSHIP, along with the Andes/Andis family and the Bahr/Barr/Baer. See how the German names were changed? Turney was Thuny from near Berne Switzerland. Before that the name is traced back to France and was Tournai, DeTurna, etc. We have found about 30 spellings of the name depending on the country and the time. In Ireland we have proof that a Tony when he joined the British army before Rev War - the name was changed to Turney. My Peter Turney had two brothers who also came to America, and possibly some cousins. His two brothers stayed in PA, with one of them being a Dorney. So Dorney family of PA, some of them are the same family as Turney. Here is an example of what I mean. Hampshire Co Va is near Shenandoah Co Va where my Turneys were located in 1780s. Hampshire Co VA lists the following land transaction for the name TERNAY. 9/3/1787 Michael TERNAY and wife Phoebe sell to James Murphy; (both of Hampshire Co.) 1/2 acre lot in town of Romney recorded 9/13/1787 Witnesses: Alex Ruthven, Rub. Holiday, Ralph Humphreys, John Murphy. By finding info on the Murphy family, I was able to prove that this TERNAY was Michael TURNER, and his wife was a Murphy. These Turner/Murphy came out of Maryland, and they moved to Kentucky ca 1787. So he was selling his land to make the move. SHENANDOAH COUNTY VIRGINIA Marriage Bonds 1772-1850 compiled by Bernice M. Ashby page 9 TURNER, Michl. --- Mathaney, Elender. Sept 19, 1785. Bondsman: Danl. Mathaney. well folks, this is my Michael TURNEY with his marriage record done under the Turner name. He lived as I said in Woodstock, VA. In 1787 the family sold their land and by 1789 they are on Kentucky tax list......living near where the Turner/Murphy people went. As you can see, early records have to be looked at carefully by researchers as Turner seems to be the catch-all spelling of many other family names. Mary Turney Miller hlm@qtm.net