At last, someone in Illinois!.. Can anyone tell me if John was related to Eugene L. Turner. Genes birthdate is unknown for sure, but may have been about 1858 in Chicago. When Gene's wife Aggie died, he disappeared so we really need help to connect him to family and find out what happened to him. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverly Aytes-Bowhall" <ay8tes2@highland.net> To: <TURNER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 1:24 PM Subject: [TURNER] TURNER, John > Time to try this again, sigh. > > John Turner bn abt 1793 in KY, m. Jane Odell. I have heard that John was > in ILL for a while. Does anyone have any idea where in KY he might have > been born or to whom??? Bev > > The children of John and Jane Odell Turner are: > James J. bn abt 1810 in MO > Littleton bn abt 1816 in MO > Ellen bn abt 1818 in MO > Nancy "Sally" Odell Turner bn 20 Mar 1820 in MO > Thomas Turner bn abt 1825 in MO > Joshua bn abt 1827 in MO > Martha Ann bn abt 1829 in MO > John bn abt 1831 in MO > Joseph bn abt 1833 in MO > Artema bn abt 1836 in MO > > > ==== TURNER Mailing List ==== > Turner list website - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/t/turner.html > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Oasis Online] > Now available Nationwide call 1-888-547-6277 for information. > > > --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Oasis Online] Now available Nationwide call 1-888-547-6277 for information.

Gail, I totally agree with you. I should have explained better that different markers mutate at faster or slower rates and that would also reflect on the distance of the relationship, right along with the more common Haplogroup such as R1b's and the more rare or unusual... If a person's difference was on a faster mutating marker,Or a rare Haplotype, within a common Haplogroup... then that has to be taken into consideration too... Also can't remember what it is called but a forward and backward mutation... The project admin. has to be good to deal with all the varations that might need to be applied.. But the statement of the email I made comment to was saying something to this effect...wonder if they are related and there was only a 1 step difference, which does say they are related. I wish I did have a Turner with a yDNA test. My Turners are collateral not blood and so there are no males connected to me.. as I am not a blood Turner.... Sorry! Nelda Nelda's websites - http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ yDNA tests for Hurst, Beatty, Gilpin; all male relatives

Time to try this again, sigh. John Turner bn abt 1793 in KY, m. Jane Odell. I have heard that John was in ILL for a while. Does anyone have any idea where in KY he might have been born or to whom??? Bev The children of John and Jane Odell Turner are: James J. bn abt 1810 in MO Littleton bn abt 1816 in MO Ellen bn abt 1818 in MO Nancy "Sally" Odell Turner bn 20 Mar 1820 in MO Thomas Turner bn abt 1825 in MO Joshua bn abt 1827 in MO Martha Ann bn abt 1829 in MO John bn abt 1831 in MO Joseph bn abt 1833 in MO Artema bn abt 1836 in MO

I believe that caution should be exercised here in saying a genetic distance of 3 or 4 (mutations) indicates that the lines ARE related. I'd say you must take into consideration how many markers are tested for comparison and also, what haplogroup it is. If it turns out to be the Western Atlantic Modal Haplogroup of R1b, then I would be cautious in an assumption of relationship. If it is one of the more rare haplogroups such as R1a1 or G2, then it is more likely. If someone tests only 12 markers (or in my opinion 25) and they end up in the WAMH with a very common surname of Turner, then any common ancestor might well be back before the advent of surnames. In genealogy research, that isn't going to help you much. I recommend that any of my Turner DNA Project members who are in the WAMH haplogroup set their preferences so that they are not even given the matches at 12 markers--especially if they are matching to the entire database. They will have hundreds of matches to other surnames and it only confuses the issue. It is also why I recommend that everyone do the yDNA 25 marker test or at least anticipate that I will tell them they must upgrade from 12 to 25 if they match anyone at 12 markers. Twelve markers will show you cannot be related to another line but it will not tell you that you ARE. Nelda, have you had any of your Turners actually tested to document the yDNA of their line? Gail R. Blancett Administrator Turner DNA Project Nelda Percival wrote: > Hi Janice, > Your: Absalom Turner born possibly > in NC came to GA as infant. Parents unknown but DNA matches a Henry > Turner > and a Lewis Turner from that time frame also in GA. It would be > interesting if this line connected. Janice > > > I do study yDNA, and if the yDNA matches or even a 3 or 4 distances in > mutations they ARE related even if the paper trails do not connect > yet. That paper trail needs to be researched to find the connects. > > Nelda > > Nelda's websites - > http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ > yDNA tests for Hurst, Beatty, Gilpin; all male relatives > >

Hi Janice, Your: Absalom Turner born possibly in NC came to GA as infant. Parents unknown but DNA matches a Henry Turner and a Lewis Turner from that time frame also in GA. It would be interesting if this line connected. Janice I do study yDNA, and if the yDNA matches or even a 3 or 4 distances in mutations they ARE related even if the paper trails do not connect yet. That paper trail needs to be researched to find the connects. Nelda Nelda's websites - http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ yDNA tests for Hurst, Beatty, Gilpin; all male relatives

Is there anyone in the line to have DNA run? Absalom Turner born possibly in NC came to GA as infant. Parents unknown but DNA matches a Henry Turner and a Lewis Turner from that time frame also in GA. It would be interesting if this line connected. Janice -----Original Message----- From: ladyt [mailto:ladyt@caprok.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 3:45 PM To: TURNER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TURNER] Jesse M Turner Jesse M Turner was born in North Carolina 1795/96, He moved to Newton County, Georgia, about 1840, He was married to Priscilla (maiden name unknown), (Priscilla disappeared after 1850, I guess she died). He lived in Newton County, Georgia untill 1870, When I lost track of him, I guess He died after 1870, couldn't find him in the 1880 Census. He also Married Sarah Jane Peevy, in 1860. Would appreciate any information, am looking for his death date or his Parents. Doris ==== TURNER Mailing List ==== Turner list website - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/t/turner.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

I'm sorry. This is not my Turner family ; I posted it in case someone needed it. The paragraph in the Knox (Illinois) History Book (1978) says: "Turner, Israel, farmer and mechanic: was born in Chester co., Pa., of Henry and Susannah (Halderman) Turner, both natives of Pennsylvania, but of German ancestry; his father was born April 2, 1799; his mother May 1, 1781; his father married at the age of 19; he was a stone mason. Israel enjoyed no educational advantages, except such as the district school afforded. He hired out as a boat hand at the age of 16, and worked at that business 3 years, when he began to learn the stone and brick mason and stone cutter's trade. After completing the trades he was employed till he came west in building bridges on railroads, and other public works, much of the time in charge of a corps of men, at which he was at first somewhat surprised; for when the gang of men were placed in his charge he had worked at the business only a year and a half; he superintended the construction of the bridges on the Schuylkill canal, and on the Philadelphia & Reading railroad. In 1838 he came west and entered land in Knox Co, and in 1840 settled on sec. 32, Orange township, where he now lives. He helped to burn the brick to build the first schoolhouse erected in Orange township. When the winter of 1843 had draped the last days of the dying year in their white grave clothes, Mr. T. bethought him that he would change his mode of living, and having made a habit of doing one thing at a time, and that well (Note: in the book "well" is italicized), he set about hunting a wife. After spending a month and half in the search, he found his treasure in earthen vessel in the person of Lucinda Hammond, whom he married Feb. 13, 1844. Their union has resulted in a family of 11 children, 7 sons and 4 daughters; 2 sons dead. They both died of typhoid fever at the respective ages of 21 and 19 years. His life has been remarkably successful in a business sense, and he attributes a large share of it to the judicious management and wise counsel of his wife. He has been a member of the Baptist Church since 1836. His portrait may be found in this volume. P.O. Knoxville." That is all the information I have on Israel Turner. It appears from the book (and isn't the writing wonderful for a history book) that Israel lived in Knox County most of his adult life. -----Original Message----- From: JWilkes766@aol.com [mailto:JWilkes766@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 1:21 AM To: TURNER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TURNER] Is anyone looking for Israel Turner, b. Chester Co, Pa, Mar 22, 1812? Do you have any children and grandchildren for Israel? My gr gr grandfather was Israel Jennings Turner, born June 7, 1863 in Johnsonsville, IL. His family is my brick wall - if you think there might be a connection, I will be glad to share information. Jane Wilkes ==== TURNER Mailing List ==== Turner list website - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/t/turner.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/377 - Release Date: 6/27/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/377 - Release Date: 6/27/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/377 - Release Date: 6/27/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/377 - Release Date: 6/27/2006

Do you have any children and grandchildren for Israel? My gr gr grandfather was Israel Jennings Turner, born June 7, 1863 in Johnsonsville, IL. His family is my brick wall - if you think there might be a connection, I will be glad to share information. Jane Wilkes

I don't have any info on Israel, but did he have a brother Stephen? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Lingwall" <fox10@tampabay.rr.com> To: <TURNER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 10:34 PM Subject: [TURNER] Is anyone looking for Israel Turner, b. Chester Co, Pa, Mar 22, 1812? > He was the son of Henry and Susannah (Halderman) Turner. > He is listed in the history of Knox County, Illinois, 1878. > Sarah > And I am still looking for parents of William Beverly Turner, b. GA 9 Apr > 1825. > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/373 - Release Date: 6/22/2006 > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/373 - Release Date: 6/22/2006 > > > ==== TURNER Mailing List ==== > Turner list website - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/t/turner.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006 > >

Dear Turner Cousins I am in serious need of help - I am trying to track down a Lloyd Edmund Turner my grandfather - probably born around 1890 to 1900 - was living in Los Angeles in 1923. Believed that his family came from North or South Carolina. Much more information follows (see below) - and gives family background, rumours, searches tried so far. Maybe someone has a Lloyd E Turner in their family but the family connection with my grandmother Eileen Gladys Geddes - does not seem right. It is possible Lloyd was only in California a short time and never married my grandmother and never realised she was pregnant with my father - i.e. living descendants of Lloyd may not know about my grandmother - it was something that happened while he was in California and he did not realise what happened or acknowledge it. My father and my brother and I have been searching off and on for 30 years - if anyone has any knowledge of a Lloyd Turner or Lloyd E Turner or an L Ed Turner etc. or further ideas on how to go about finding him - it would be greatly appreciated. We have hit a very thick and seemingly impenetrable brick wall - can anyone put a chink in the wall? Many thanks, Chris London, England MORE DETAILED INFORMATION FOLLOWS I am trying to trace my grandfather Lloyd Edmund (or Edmond) Turner and thus his family line. It is likely Lloyd Edmund Turner's family came from the American South (maybe NC/SC?). My grandmother said they did and I took a DNA test and ran it against a US centric database (Turner DNA Project) and came up with 15 hits or matches – all Turners living in or having migrated from the American South. I have had some close DNA matches with people who have traced their ancestry back through a Richard Turner who immigrated to the US from England in the mid/late 1600’s. I would love to find more about Lloyd and see where he ‘fits’ in to this family (if indeed he does). It would appear that Lloyd and/or his family moved to California where he was living in the Los Angeles area in the early 1920's. (He is listed in the LA City Directory for 1923 – page 3069) but is not on the 1920 census for California – although I understand that the online version of the 1920 census just lists the head of household and it may well be of course that Lloyd was too young to be a head of household at that time. I believe that there were about 450 Turner families living in LA County in 1920 though. His address is listed as 5760 Omaha Street, LA and he is listed as the householder. He is not listed in either the 1922 or 1924 directories. An address just down the street (5787) was given as Lloyd’s address on my father’s birth certificate as of Oct 1924. I thought his living on Omaha Street might be something to follow-up on – and I had a very brief review of property records at the Vital Records office in Norwalk, CA – but without any success. My great-grandparents – Lewis John Geddes and Frances Mildred Geddes (both born and married in Canada) lived on the same street at that time (5579 Omaha – in the 1924 City Directory) and I presume they were neighbours and met. Although I did look in the year books at my grandmother’s High School (Hollywood) to see if Lloyd had gone to the same school as her – but no success I am afraid. My grandmother (Eileen Geddes) told us Lloyd and she married at a friend’s house in the LA area in 1923 or 1924. Having looked in both the LA and Orange County records offices – I cannot find a record of the marriage. It may well be of course that they were married in another county, not married or even that Lloyd was already married to someone else and they had an affair??? My grandmother was very secretive about Lloyd and we simply do not know what ‘skeletons’ may exist in the family. My grandmother was very young when she married – she was born in January of 1906 and so we have assumed that Lloyd is likely to be born in the late 1890’s or early 1900’s – but have no proof of this. We cannot find a birth certificate for him in California – although there are one or two candidates from other parts of the US (including a 19 year old Lloyd Turner living in a boarding house in Charlotte, North Carolina from the 1920 US census). So we are just guessing then that Lloyd was born late 1890's or very early 1900's. From my father’s birth certificate it lists Lloyd as a building contractor. Lloyd reputedly died in a car accident (we assume - in the Los Angeles area in 1924 or maybe later) – but again we cannot find a death certificate for LA or Orange Counties for those years or a little later). He may not have died then at all – this may have been a ‘convenient’ death – as my grandmother was pregnant with my father (he was born October 1924) when Lloyd allegedly died – but that is not sure – he may have lived longer than the mid 1920’s. Any help you can give on tracking down Lloyd would be gratefully received. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™ Messenger has arrived. Click here to download it for free! http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/?locale=en-gb

Subject: Re: [TURNER] Listowner Post - Roll Call > > I have not been able to get by my brick wall in years but I have never > posted his children so I thought I would try that. > Joseph Turner Sr. b 1750 VA--died 1800 in Ky > He had at least 3 wives. The first one was Sarah Parsons. His known > children were. > Mary Jane Turner b abt. 1874 VA. d ? > Thomas Turner b about 1775 VA d? > William Turner b before 1780 VA d? > Joseph Turner JR b 1782 VA. this is my line > George W. Turner b 1791 d1851 KY > Sudduth David Turner b 1793 d 1851 KY > James W Turner b 1795 KY d1872 KY. > Phoebe Turner b1798KY d unknown > > Donald Turner

I have not been able to get by my brick wall in years but I have never posted his children so I thought I would try that. Joseph Turner Sr. b 1750 VA--died 1800 in Ky He had at least 3 wives. The first one was Sarah Parsons. His known children were. Mary Jane Turner b abt. 1874 VA. d ? Thomas Turner b about 1775 VA d? William Turner b before 1780 VA d? Joseph Turner JR b 1782 VA. this is my line George W. Turner b 1791 d1851 KY Sudduth David Turner b 1793 d 1851 KY James W Turner b 1795 KY d1872 KY. Phoebe Turner b1798KY d unknown Donald Turner

He was the son of Henry and Susannah (Halderman) Turner. He is listed in the history of Knox County, Illinois, 1878. Sarah And I am still looking for parents of William Beverly Turner, b. GA 9 Apr 1825. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/373 - Release Date: 6/22/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/373 - Release Date: 6/22/2006

Searching ancestry of John W. Turner, born circa 1820 (New York? England? Ireland?). (W = William?) He seems to have resided in Fishkill, Dutchess County, New York, 1850-1900, according to federal and state census records. He was usually enumerated with a Mary or Rose or Rose Mary, probably his spouse, and many children (ten or more?), including David C. Turner, my big fish. (C = Clarkson?) John W. Turner's occupation: a spinner in a carpet mill in Fishkill. The mill closed in the early 1870's. Many of the employees living in the community left the area, but John W. Turner and his family seem to have remained in the vicinity (Glenham). John W. Turner was listed in the 1880 federal census with Mary and only two children, Anne and Clarkson K. Eventually, John W. and Mary were listed alone in the 1892 state census, the last time they appeared in a census of Fishkill, Dutchess County, New York. At this point John W. and Mary seem to have taken up magic: they disappear. Or, at least, no evidence of their continued existence can be found in records in New York or elsewhere in the U.S. Eventually, a Clarkson K. Turner turns up in the 1930 federal census in Vermont, with a wife and children born in Canada. About him and them I know nothing else. Anyway, my direct line: David C. Turner was born circa 1852. He seems to have married circa 1875, a Hattie (nee?). They were the parents of Hattie V. Turner, born 1875, and William A. Turner, born May 1880. This family resided north of Fishkill, in Poughkeepsie, Dutchess County. David and Hattie seem to have separated or divorced before 1900. David may have married a second time, circa 1910, Amelia Knapp. Somehow, David acquired and owned land in Poughkeepsie on the southside. David C. Turner died in Poughkeepsie 1916, leaving his land to Amelia and William A. William A. Turner married circa 1900, Edith Pearl Roe. They were the parents of many children, including Marianna Turner, born 1912. She was my father's mother. William and Edith split up in the 1920's (probably owing to his infidelity, if family lore is to be believed), never to speak to one other again. William A. Turner died 1942. Edith Pearl (Roe) Turner died 1943. They were buried near each other, coincidence only, in the Poughkeepsie Rural Cemetery. Marianna Turner married 1928 in Pleasant Valley, Dutchess County, New York, one Vernon Samuel Schoonmaker, my father's father. Thank you for your time. -Jeff Schoonmaker, searching Briggs, Schoonmaker, Turner, Wurster. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

John Turner b 1760-70 by census records died 1827 in Warren County, Georgia. In 1797 John Turner of Warren County, Georgia, received 25 acres in a deed from William Cocks and Wife Hannah. The land was witnessed by Turner Persons and Wormsly Rose. October 6, 1827 Warren County, Georgia, John Turner was dead & James Turner was made administrator of the estate. Benjamin Geesling and John Wright were the security for the $2,000 bond. In 1805 Nancy Turner married Henry Conaway in Warren County, Georgia. 1820 Warren County, Georgia, Census shows John Turner living next to Henry Conaway. By the 1830 census James Turner (adm of John's estate) is living next to Henry Conaway with an elderly women born between 1760-1770 in his household - possibly John's widow. John Turner was not in the 1794 Tax Digest for Warren County. On the 1805 Tax Digest for Warren County he had 65 Acres in District 65 on Long Creek. On the 1818 Tax Digest for Warren County, John Turner had 150 acres on Harts creek next to Brantley in District 155 - both James Turner & Henry Conaway were living by him with no statistics - probably meaning they had no land to be taxed. 1849 Tax Digest - John was deceased & Henry Conaway had 130 acres in District 155 - James Turner was not listed. Henry's son Turner Conaway had 170 acres. There is no deed in Warren County, Georgia, where Henry Conaway acquired any land, but there is a deed where he sold this 130 acres in District 155 - 1849 to son Turner Conaway (obviously named after his grandfather) with rights to live on his homestead until his death. Looks like the same land may have been taxed twice. Turner sold it December 1857 - reserving 20 acres during Henry's life & Henry wrote his will Jan 1858. I believe John was Nancy Turner's father, James her brother & Henry Conaway received his land when John died. I know this is pretty circumstantial, but I am looking for help proving this line. John served in the Rev war, may have had a son John Jr & another son George. Any help with this Turner line (proving or disproving) appreciated. Dianne Conaway Blankenstein

This tree of my husband's contains 2 separate Turner lines. See below. Generation 1 1John Turner d1776SC m bef Aug 1755 Patience L. Lassiter d bef1776 Generation 2 children of John Turner & Patience Lassiter: 1James Turner 2John Turner Jr 3William Turner 4Jacob Turner 5Abraham Turner 6Enoch Turner 7Charles Turner 8Liddia Turner m Griffin 9Winna Turner - crystknkr@aol.com <mailto:crystknkr@aol.com> Dora Turner descendant 10Cloey Turner 11Noel Turner Sr b1764NC d1837Ala Generation 3 children of Noel Turner Sr. & Sarah Turner 1Enoch Turner b 1788SC 2Charles Turner b 1790SC d 1872 m Nancy Cochran 3Mary Turner b1792SC 4Cloey Turner b1795SCl 5Sarah Turner b1797SC m Jacob Pierre Baptiste bjmcnamara@aol.com <mailto:bjmcnamara@aol.com> Barbara McNamara, Jan Davis, Martha Hyde descendants 6Nicey Turner b1800SC 7William Turner b182SC m Arena Cowart 8John Jack Turner b1805SC m.Melinda Denny curtmarg@webtv.net <mailto:curtmarg@webtv.net> Margie Ezell descendant 9Noel Turner Jr b1807SC 10James Turner b1810Miss 11Henry Turner b1813Miss d1888Ala m 1)Mary Calloway d1844 2) Maria Smith d1880 3) Mary Generation 4 child Charles Turner & Nancy Cochran 1Noel Turner b1831 d1906 mMary Jane Clark b1842 d1916 2Margaret Turner m Jessee Calloway - Bryan Toenes descendant Generation 4 children of William Turner & Arena Cowart 1Sarah Turner 2Elizabeth Turner b1843 d1884 m Simon A. Thompson - Steve Javine descendant Generation 4 children of Henry Turner & Mary Calloway(1-4) & Maria Smith (5-10) 1Adeline Bertha Turner b1837 Ala d1924 Ala m Charles Hooks 2Sarah Eugenia Turner b1838 Ala d 1846 Ala m James Flurry jeaniebu53@cs.com <mailto:jeaniebu53@cs.com> Jeanie Bass Upshaw descendant 3George Elmore Turner b1840 Ala d1863 Ala 4Jacob Henry Turner b1843 Ala d 1860 Ala 5John Milton Turner b1847 Ala d1848 Ala 6Margaret Maria Turner b1848 Ala d 1920 Tenn m Arthur Meriwether Lewis II blankenstein@prodigy.net <mailto:blankenstein@prodigy.net> Dianne Blankenstein descendant 7Mary Jane Turner b1850 Ala d1930 Ala 8Charles Edward Turner b1852 Ala 9Lewis Washington Turner b1855 Ala 10William Samuel Turner b1850 Ala d1859 Ala Generation 5 children of Noel Turner & Mary Jane Clark 1John Tyler Turner b1868 d1947 2Laura Edwina Turner b1868 d1911 m Henry Schramm hmsjr@attglobal.net <mailto:hmsjr@attglobal.net> Howard Schramm Jr. descendant Generation 6 child of John Tyler Turner 1Noel Monroe Turner, Sr. b1899 d1969 Generation 7 child of Noel Monroe Turner, Sr. 1Noel Monroe Turner, Jr. b1920 d1975 ***Line DNA Tested #17637 Turner DNA Project The above Sarah Turner was not kin to her husband Noel Turner. They met when he served in the Revolutionary War. The family story is that Noel supposedly met her with his unit camped on the ground of her father. He asked her to wait for him and he returned after the war to marry her. Need some help on her Turner line. http://pages.prodigy.net/blankenstein for more information on this line Dianne Blankenstein

Hi Pam, All of my John's are in my Ludden lines. John Loudden, Sr./ John Bennett Loudden/ James Clement Ludden/ John Clement Ludden/ James Gregory/ Timothy Edward Ludden/ Timothy John Ludden/ Sean Adam Moore.All Irish. Oh yes, John Batty/English/Welsh. John Gorst/English and many more. John(Jack) Batty, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Sulzer" <psulzer47@yahoo.com> To: <TURNER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [TURNER] John W.Turner WVA 1822-23 > DeeAnn, > > I don't have a "Eugene" in my database. > > Pam in LA > > > Shelly and Dee <Leebite@oasisol.com> wrote: > Hi Pam, are there any Eugene L. Turners in your line? Thanks. DeeAnn > Moore > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pam Sulzer" > > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 1:10 PM > Subject: Re: [TURNER] John W.Turner WVA 1822-23 > > >> My Turners were in Wood Co. from 1810 until about 1840. Can you give me >> further details about your John W. Turner who married in 1845 to Jemima >> Tate? Did they marry in Wood Co.? Did they migrate to another state? >> Where >> was John in the 1850 census? Where did he die and when? With a bit more >> info on John maybe I can make a connection between your John and my >> Turners. >> My GGG grandfather William Turner (b.1733 VA) migrated to Wood Co., WV >> from Fairfax Co., VA with his 2 sons and their families. The son's names >> were Thomas Turner (b.ca. 1770) and Thomazin Ellzey Turner (b.ca. 1773). >> "John" was a common name used in my Turner line. >> >> Pam >> >> Bill Turner > wrote: >> Hello List >> Our brickwall parents and siblings :father born PA,mother unknown. John >> married 1; Jemima Tate 1845,Jemima from Lawrence co OH. 10 children >> 1.James,b.1846,d.1865 Mo.. >> 2.Livey Clarinda , b 1847,Wood Co.WVA m. Isaac Decatur Brown >> 1862,Mo.3,Susanna , b1849 WVA.m.James K.P. Clements.4.Elizabeth Luanna >> ,b1849.WVA. m.AAron Baccus Conley 1866. Iron Co Mo. 5.William O. b.1852 >> Wood Co.WVA m.Edith Cordilla Dunn,1871; 6 ,John Oliver ,b 1853,Wood Co >> WVA,.Cathryn Trolinger.Mo. 7.Mary b c1856 Wood Co WVA,m Bernard Johle >> 1874 >> Mo. 8. Jefferson Leroy,b.1857,m. Nancy Arminta Butler,1878 Mo. 9.Gemima >> Jane.b.1860.Mo. m. Henry Sampson Barton Mo. 1877. 10. Sampson Sylvanus >> .b.1861 Mo. m.Martha Jane Conway.1882 >> 2; married Nancy Bowen,Volner , Hall. c . 1867. Mo. I;David Abner,b.1868. >> m. Murrill Amanda Johnson 1893. Mo. >> 2; Hugh Noah ,b.1869. Mo. m. Lucy Francis Janes Burns, 1895 2nd m; Sarah >> Foster ,1910 Mo. 3; Nancy,b.1875 . Mo. m.Richard Wiley Bush. >> Thanks for all help in advance. William A Turner lil-ole-me@sti.net. >> >> >> >> ==== TURNER Mailing List ==== >> Turner list website - >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/t/turner.html >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Yahoo! Sports Fantasy Football '06 - Go with the leader. Start your >> league >> today! >> >> >> ==== TURNER Mailing List ==== >> Turner list website - >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/t/turner.html >> >> ============================== >> View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >> marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >> >> --- >> [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Oasis Online] >> Now available Nationwide call 1-888-547-6277 for information. >> >> >> > > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Oasis Online] > Now available Nationwide call 1-888-547-6277 for information. > > > ==== TURNER Mailing List ==== > Turner list website - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/t/turner.html > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. > > > ==== TURNER Mailing List ==== > Turner list website - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/t/turner.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Oasis Online] > Now available Nationwide call 1-888-547-6277 for information. > > > --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Oasis Online] Now available Nationwide call 1-888-547-6277 for information.

Generation one: Eugene L. Turner, Chicago, Ill, 1883 to 1888, lived in Chicago, Ill. Agnes M. O'Brien, Chicago, Ill, born 1858, died 16 Dec 1888, Chicago. Antoinette Turner, daughter, Chicago, born 10 Dec 1884-85, died 6 June, 1963, Los Angeles, Ca Raised at Black Earth, Wisconsin by foster parents Fred Turk and Wife, Grace Whitcher. Electra Turner, born Chicago, possibly 1885-6. Disappeared from orphanage in Illinois. Generation two: Meredyth Hazel Batty m. Samuel Richard Beatty Donna Mae Grace Batty m. Kenneth Anthony Ludden Generation three: Janice Meredyth Beatty-has son Margaret Elaine Beatty-has son Barbara Elizabeth Beatty-has son DeeAnn Marie Ludden-4 daughters Timothy John Ludden-no issue Generation four: Children of generation three Generation five: Children of generation four Generation six: children of generation five

Thanks for letting me know you have no Eugene L. Turner!Our Gene is the only male Turner we have been able to find. With his wife being Agnes M. O'Brien and them having only two girls, Anntoinette and Electra Turner, we are certainly limited on family members and have no John's that we know of. Just Gene's. Dee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Sulzer" <psulzer47@yahoo.com> To: <TURNER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [TURNER] John W.Turner WVA 1822-23 > DeeAnn, > > I don't have a "Eugene" in my database. > > Pam in LA > > > Shelly and Dee <Leebite@oasisol.com> wrote: > Hi Pam, are there any Eugene L. Turners in your line? Thanks. DeeAnn > Moore > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pam Sulzer" > > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 1:10 PM > Subject: Re: [TURNER] John W.Turner WVA 1822-23 > > >> My Turners were in Wood Co. from 1810 until about 1840. Can you give me >> further details about your John W. Turner who married in 1845 to Jemima >> Tate? Did they marry in Wood Co.? Did they migrate to another state? >> Where >> was John in the 1850 census? Where did he die and when? With a bit more >> info on John maybe I can make a connection between your John and my >> Turners. >> My GGG grandfather William Turner (b.1733 VA) migrated to Wood Co., WV >> from Fairfax Co., VA with his 2 sons and their families. The son's names >> were Thomas Turner (b.ca. 1770) and Thomazin Ellzey Turner (b.ca. 1773). >> "John" was a common name used in my Turner line. >> >> Pam >> >> Bill Turner > wrote: >> Hello List >> Our brickwall parents and siblings :father born PA,mother unknown. John >> married 1; Jemima Tate 1845,Jemima from Lawrence co OH. 10 children >> 1.James,b.1846,d.1865 Mo.. >> 2.Livey Clarinda , b 1847,Wood Co.WVA m. Isaac Decatur Brown >> 1862,Mo.3,Susanna , b1849 WVA.m.James K.P. Clements.4.Elizabeth Luanna >> ,b1849.WVA. m.AAron Baccus Conley 1866. Iron Co Mo. 5.William O. b.1852 >> Wood Co.WVA m.Edith Cordilla Dunn,1871; 6 ,John Oliver ,b 1853,Wood Co >> WVA,.Cathryn Trolinger.Mo. 7.Mary b c1856 Wood Co WVA,m Bernard Johle >> 1874 >> Mo. 8. Jefferson Leroy,b.1857,m. Nancy Arminta Butler,1878 Mo. 9.Gemima >> Jane.b.1860.Mo. m. Henry Sampson Barton Mo. 1877. 10. Sampson Sylvanus >> .b.1861 Mo. m.Martha Jane Conway.1882 >> 2; married Nancy Bowen,Volner , Hall. c . 1867. Mo. I;David Abner,b.1868. >> m. Murrill Amanda Johnson 1893. Mo. >> 2; Hugh Noah ,b.1869. Mo. m. Lucy Francis Janes Burns, 1895 2nd m; Sarah >> Foster ,1910 Mo. 3; Nancy,b.1875 . Mo. m.Richard Wiley Bush. >> Thanks for all help in advance. William A Turner lil-ole-me@sti.net. >> >> >> >> ==== TURNER Mailing List ==== >> Turner list website - >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/t/turner.html >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Yahoo! Sports Fantasy Football '06 - Go with the leader. Start your >> league >> today! >> >> >> ==== TURNER Mailing List ==== >> Turner list website - >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/t/turner.html >> >> ============================== >> View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >> marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >> >> --- >> [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Oasis Online] >> Now available Nationwide call 1-888-547-6277 for information. >> >> >> > > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Oasis Online] > Now available Nationwide call 1-888-547-6277 for information. > > > ==== TURNER Mailing List ==== > Turner list website - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/t/turner.html > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. > > > ==== TURNER Mailing List ==== > Turner list website - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/t/turner.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Oasis Online] > Now available Nationwide call 1-888-547-6277 for information. > > > --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Oasis Online] Now available Nationwide call 1-888-547-6277 for information.

The best thing I know to tell you is start with what you do know and try to locate them in census. Start in 1930 and work back as far as you can in census so you have some idea perhaps of where they were located, where census might say the parents were born, other Turners living near them in census, etc. The DNA would document the line of your earliest known ancestor. If we got lucky, it might match some other Turner already in the project or eliminate a lot of others. It is not a guarantee that you would find the line but it is my feeling it is worth a shot. If you can give just a bit more information--approximate ages or birthdates, etc and where they lived at any time that you know, some of us might be able to help you a bit. Post what you can (no full dates on living folks), and lets see what it looks like. Gail margeea@aol.com wrote: >Gail >My husband is from a Turner line but I do not have any information on his line. He is willing to do the DNA testing but how would we know what line he would be in. I think his greatgrand father was born in TN but have not been able to get anything on him He is another John but nmi that I have found. He had a brother named Henry that married a Hanna Green. I can't find anything on either of them. We have no survivors to ask questions of. > >Margeea@aol.com > > > >