Mildred, After I posted the message, I did go back through information I had on the family of Henry Turner who died in 1809 in Caswell Co., NC and some of the notes that we have exchanged over the years and did find where you had Edmund (m. Mary Slade) and James C. as children of Thomas. What I would like to confirm is whether there are estate recordsor perhaps deeds of heirs of Thomas Turner that give the names of his children in it. Then do we know for sure that this Thomas Turner is the son of Henry. We do know that he had a son named Thomas. But, I'm trying to remember (have to relook at my census data for Caswell) whether there were more than one Thomas Turner there at the same time. The story (I think we have shared this in our writings) is that Henry Turner who died in 1809 had several brothers. I've also seen some "recollections" that listed some children of Henry that we know the estate papers for him do not support. It is so easy, and has been a common error made by so many researchers, to assume that everyone of the same surname who appear in a county early on were related. But, if by chance Henry did have a brother who happened to settle in Caswell Co. then he too could have had a son named Thomas and or James. You and I also know how many people have tried to make your James Turner (1756-1835) the one who married Lucy Pleasants when you know your James was having children by his first wife Sarah during the years the OTHER James Turner was married to Lucy Pleasants. If you still have the books, is there anything in them that actually proves or lists the children of Thomas Turner. I suspect the books you have stop before the time that Lucy Turner died and left a will in Caswell Co. Thanks for responding. Gail Mildred Collier wrote: >Gail, I researched Mrs. Katherine Kerr Kendall's various books on Abstracts >of Caswell County, N.C. trying to get the descendants of Henry Turner >(1721-1809). I thought I sent you a listing of what I have done on >Henry,Sr. > >Children of Henry Turner,Sr. and Graves are: > James 1756 - 1835 > John died 1830 (killed by slave) Williamson Co TN > Henry Jr died before his estate was settled > William > THOMAS TURNER > Elizabeth > Franky > Mildred > Nancy > Sarah > Susannah > Mary >The above Thomas had the following children: > Nathan > EDMUND md Mary Ann Slade > Mary > JAMES C. md. Mary Bigelow > Nancy T. > Elizabeth Thomas Turner > > >

Gail, I researched Mrs. Katherine Kerr Kendall's various books on Abstracts of Caswell County, N.C. trying to get the descendants of Henry Turner (1721-1809). I thought I sent you a listing of what I have done on Henry,Sr. Children of Henry Turner,Sr. and Graves are: James 1756 - 1835 John died 1830 (killed by slave) Williamson Co TN Henry Jr died before his estate was settled William THOMAS TURNER Elizabeth Franky Mildred Nancy Sarah Susannah Mary The above Thomas had the following children: Nathan EDMUND md Mary Ann Slade Mary JAMES C. md. Mary Bigelow Nancy T. Elizabeth Thomas Turner Does this sound familiar and is this the family you mentioned in above in the subject? I will be glad to send you what I have on this family. It is by no means complete but I have not had the time to work on it lately due to health problems but will get back to it after the holidays. I can send you the notes on all substancuating my research. I am trying to get my program in order so my daughter can take over when she gets time. She is working now but one day will have more time as the children get older. We lost our oldest daughter in June with a heart attack. Mildred English Collier -----Original Message----- From: turner-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:turner-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Gail R. Blancett Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 9:36 AM To: TURNER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TURNER] James C. Turner m. Mary Bigelow 1823 Caswell Co. NC James C. Turner married Mary Bigelow in 1823 in Caswell Co. NC (Marriage Bond dated 17 Dec 1823 per NC Marriage Bonds). Mary Cartherell "formerly Turner" is named as a sister of Thomas Bigelow alias Pattillo in his will in 1873 in Caswell Co. NC as well as several nieces and nephews: Thomas Turner, James Turner, John Turner, Thadeus Turner, and niece Lucretia Collins--all of Texas. 1870 Census finds these these folks in Titus Co. TX: Mt. Pleasant, Titus Co. TX (image 9/13 of Ancestry.com) #11-11 Turner, Thomas-------43 M------NC Ellena M.------------37 F------AL Ellen S.-------------16 F------TX James A.-------------13 M------TX George C.------------12 M------TX Margaret-------------10 Minnie----------------8 Thomas----------------7 Albert J.-------------5 Mattie----------------1 (image 11/13 of Ancestry.com) #20-20 Collins, Leonidus----49 M---Physician-----NC Lucresia-------------45 F-----------------NC James B.-------------9 M------------------TX Harmon, Dotia-------11 F ______, Patia-------11 F Collins, Jackson----41 M------------------NC [Note: I've found several family trees listing Leonidus Collins as a son of "a" Brice Collins] (image 12/13 of Ancestry.com) #24 Turner, Thadeous S.----28 M W----MO Delia------------------29 F W----TN Corthal, Mary----------64 F W----NC [this would be the widow of James C. Turner] image 13/13 #31 Turner, John L.---------37 M------NC Ophelia C.--------------33 F------MO James C.----------------13 M------MO John--------------------11 M------MO Mary---------------------9 F------MO Thadeous-----------------5 M------TX Theo---------------------1 M------TX Golden-------------------3 F------TX The places of birth on some of these children in MO suggested they should be located in 1860 and 1850 in Missouri. 1860 Census Greene Co. MO, Taylor Twp. P. O. Springfield (image 2/21) #589 J. L. Turner-----26 M-----NC Ophelia----------23 F-----MO James-------------3 M-----MO John--------------1 M-----MO (John Turner married Ophelia Campbell on 25 Mar 1856 in Greene Co. MO--Missouri Marriage Records) 1860 Census Greene Co. MO, Wilson Twp. P. O. Wilson Creek image 8/17 #53 Mary M. Cathell-----52 F------NC Thadius S. Turner---19 M------MO (J. Cartheral married Mrs. M. Turner on 26 Feb 1854 in Greene Co. MO--Missouri Marriage Records) 1860 Census Greene Co. MO, Jackson Twp. image 1/26 #411-432 James Turner------30 M------NC Elizabeth---------39 F------TN (James R. Turner married Elizabeth M. McCracken on 8 March 1854 Greene Co. MO) Thomas Turner had already moved to Texas and was on the 1860 Census of Titus Co. TX: 1860 Census Titus Co., TX P. O. Dangerfield image 1/26 #346 Thomas H. Turner-------32 M-----NC E. M.------------------26 F-----AL J. A.------------------4 M------TX G. C.------------------3 M------TX With the son Thadeus Turner being listed as born in MO about 1840, they should be listed on the 1850 Census of Missouri. 1850 Census, Greene Co. MO, Jackson Township image 13/18 #2039 Mary M. Turner-------45 F------NC Thomas H. -----------23 M------NC James R.-------------21 M------NC John L. B.-----------18 M------NC Theophilus-----------13 M------MO Thadeus---------------9 M------MO Mary M. Turner had 15 slaves on the 1850 Slave schedule. As has already been shown, Mary M. Turner married in 1854 to J. Cartheral and he apparently died or they separated before 1860. The ages of the children and places of birth in the 1850 Census suggests the family moved from NC to MO between 1832 and 1837. It is possible that the James C. Turner in 1840 Gasconade Co. MO is the correct James C. Turner but I have not proven that yet. The household is a reasonable fit to the children we know that were with Mary in 1850 plus the daughter Lucretia (born c 1825 per 1870 Census) who married in 1845. 1840 Census, Gasconade Co. MO James C. Turner 1 M U 5 1 M 5-10 2 M 10-15 1 M 30-40 1 F 15-20 2 F 30-40 (they have several slaves with them) I believe that the following James Turner in the 1830 Census of Caswell Co. NC may be the correct James Turner. 1830 Census, Caswell Co. NC image 37 James Turner 2 M U 5 [probably Thomas and James R.] 1 M 20-30 [probably James C.] 1 F U 5 [probably Lucretia] 1 F 20-30 [probably Mary Bigelow alias Pattillo] This household is enumerated between Brice Collins (listed by some researchers as the father of Leonidas Collins) and the household of what may be "Lucy" (name unclear but begins with an "L" and ends with a "y") Turner. They were enumerated near several Pleasants families. I am speculating at this point (and this would need to be proven) that this was Lucy Pleasants who married James Turner on 5 Aug 1793. I believe he is likely the James Turner usually referred to as "of Hico" on tax rolls and records. He is not James Turner, son of Henry Turner who died 1809 in Caswell Co. NC. Mary Bigelow Turner Carthell was still living in 1880 with her son Thad. S. Turner in Franklin Co. TX. She listed her age as 74 born in NC with her father appearing to be born in Connecticut (assuming the census taker used "Con" as the abbreviation) and mother born in NC. A person who submitted the transcription on the Will of Thomas Bigelow "alias Pattillo" written in 1873 in Caswell Co., NC stated that Thomas, Mary and Elizabeth were children of a Mr. Pattillo and Elizabeth ?. After the death of Mr. Pattillo, his widow, Elizabeth married second Roderick Bigelow. The three Pattillo children--Thomas, Mary and Elizabeth--took the step-father's name Bigelow. This seems to be born out by the fact that Mary's marriage bond listed her as Mary Bigelow rather than Pattillo. Would love to contact any one researching these Turners! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TURNER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Linda, I am sorry to hear that your husband is ill. I hope he recovers soon. I looked at your web site but I didn't turn up anything about Daniel or Wilson Turner. All I meant by asking for sources was if you have seen any documents about the families of Sampson, Daniel or Wilson Turner, I would appreciate knowing about it. You don't have to go to any extra effort. Sincerely, Phil Turner Linda Hallman <dixierose@alltel.net> wrote: Hello Phillip, Sorry to be so long in answering your email. My husband is in the hospital, so I have not been checking my email. AND no one ever seems to have the same line on the Turners as me. I have lots of primary sources or otherwise on my direct lines. You have to prove without a doubt for the DAR, please let me know what you want or where to send it. Linda Thomaston, Ga. Visit my webpage: Dixie Rose's Homepage: http://home.alltel.net/ehallman ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TURNER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Phillip, Sorry to be so long in answering your email. My husband is in the hospital, so I have not been checking my email. AND no one ever seems to have the same line on the Turners as me. I have lots of primary sources or otherwise on my direct lines. You have to prove without a doubt for the DAR, please let me know what you want or where to send it. Linda Thomaston, Ga. Visit my webpage: Dixie Rose's Homepage: http://home.alltel.net/ehallman

Thanks so much to all who contributed. Now I can stop trying to figure out if this family is connected to my Samuel Turner, born 1812 SC in the Salmon group! Didn't this Moses marry in Warren Co, TN? There was a Madison Turner on 1850 Jasper Co, TX census, born in Warren Co, TN and that is what got me to searching on Moses Turner/Eliza Bates. I wonder if Madison is connected to our Samuel or your Moses? We need a participate in the Madison Turner group to solve this mystery. Now you've all really got me wondering! "Gail R. Blancett" <ablancett@atlantic.net> wrote: A new DNA result has just been returned from the lab documenting the following line. I will try to get it posted to the Turner DNA Project website as soon as possible. Remember to check out the project regularly at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~turnerdna/ Click on the word "Results" on the left for the results chart. This is the new line that has been documented. Thomas Turner b 1743 Newry, Ireland d 11/17/1796 Pendleton Dist. SC m Priscilla Alexander William Turner b abt. 1771 Pendleton Dist. SC d unk Floyd County, GA m Margaret Jane Steele Moses S. Turner b 01 May 1808 Pendleton Dist. SC d 22 Mar 1893 Franklin Co., AR m Eliza Jane Bates Henry Clay Turner b 29 Feb 1848 Floyd Co., Ga. d 15 Jul 1918 Franklin Co., AR m Mary Ann Moose Beve Niece Turner b 25 Jan 1878 Franklin Co., AR d 03 Apr 1961 Lubbock, TX m Ora Myrtle Huggins Edwin Clarence Turner Sr. b. 24 Sep 1914 Okemah, OK d. 29 Mar 1998 Conroe, TX He is a perfect match on 25 markers to the line of Thomas Turner married Priscilla Alexander through their son James Turner born 1773 in Old Pendleton District, SC (Kit #20792 on the Turner DNA Project's Results chart). This is a good confirmation that we have a valid DNA signature for the line of Thomas Turner. Regular research thoroughly documents that William Turner who was married to Margaret Jane Steele lived in Old Pendleton District SC at the correct time. The other kit #50103 we have that matches Kit #20792 on 37 of 37 markers clearly is related to this group also. However, at this point, very little is known about the earliest known ancestor Major Lewis Turner to know exactly how he fits into this family. I hope everyone had a good Thanksgiving and they found all their answers to their genealogy puzzles when their "oldest known ancestor" showed up for dinner. If not, then try the next best thing and get a male Turner of your group to join us in this adventure. It isn't too early to think about giving a DNA test kit to your special male Turner family member to document your line of Turners. What a great gift idea that would be. Gail R. Blancett Administrator Turner DNA Project ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TURNER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Lisa Chatelain --------------------------------- Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.

A new DNA result has just been returned from the lab documenting the following line. I will try to get it posted to the Turner DNA Project website as soon as possible. Remember to check out the project regularly at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~turnerdna/ Click on the word "Results" on the left for the results chart. This is the new line that has been documented. Thomas Turner b 1743 Newry, Ireland d 11/17/1796 Pendleton Dist. SC m Priscilla Alexander William Turner b abt. 1771 Pendleton Dist. SC d unk Floyd County, GA m Margaret Jane Steele Moses S. Turner b 01 May 1808 Pendleton Dist. SC d 22 Mar 1893 Franklin Co., AR m Eliza Jane Bates Henry Clay Turner b 29 Feb 1848 Floyd Co., Ga. d 15 Jul 1918 Franklin Co., AR m Mary Ann Moose Beve Niece Turner b 25 Jan 1878 Franklin Co., AR d 03 Apr 1961 Lubbock, TX m Ora Myrtle Huggins Edwin Clarence Turner Sr. b. 24 Sep 1914 Okemah, OK d. 29 Mar 1998 Conroe, TX He is a perfect match on 25 markers to the line of Thomas Turner married Priscilla Alexander through their son James Turner born 1773 in Old Pendleton District, SC (Kit #20792 on the Turner DNA Project's Results chart). This is a good confirmation that we have a valid DNA signature for the line of Thomas Turner. Regular research thoroughly documents that William Turner who was married to Margaret Jane Steele lived in Old Pendleton District SC at the correct time. The other kit #50103 we have that matches Kit #20792 on 37 of 37 markers clearly is related to this group also. However, at this point, very little is known about the earliest known ancestor Major Lewis Turner to know exactly how he fits into this family. I hope everyone had a good Thanksgiving and they found all their answers to their genealogy puzzles when their "oldest known ancestor" showed up for dinner. If not, then try the next best thing and get a male Turner of your group to join us in this adventure. It isn't too early to think about giving a DNA test kit to your special male Turner family member to document your line of Turners. What a great gift idea that would be. Gail R. Blancett Administrator Turner DNA Project

1830 Census, Caswell Co., NC Handwritten page 304 Image 83/112 Line 1 Edmund Turner 3 Males U 5 1 M 20-30 1 F 30-40 He had 5 slaves Can't identify Edmund in 1840 Census but he could have been relocating to Greene Co. MO. Index to the Springfield (MO) Land Office Sales Book shows entries for land that was in Greene Co. MO: Edmund Turner 23 Aug 1844--Sec 5, T29, R20 -- 40.25 acres 23 Aug 1844 -- Sec 5, T29, R20 -- 80.47 acres 4 Sep 1844 -- Sec 5, T29, R20 -- 80.45 acres Bureau of Land Management records show that Edmund's land was in the same Section that Thomas Potter had land. Edmund Turner's land was in the adjacent section to that of James C. and then James' widow Mary M. Turner's lands. James C. Turner died in 1847 and Edmund Turner was a witness for his will. The following Will abstract has been found which appears in Will Book A, Greene Co. MO: Will of James C. Turner Heir: Mary M. Turner Administrators: Mary M. Turner; son, Thomas H. Turner Date: 22 March 1845 Proved 23 December 1847 Witnesses: James Whitmore, Edmond Turner Judge of Probate: William C. Price By 1850, Edmund Turner had moved to Marshall Co., MS: 1850 Census, Marshall Co., MS, Northern Division (image 165/210) p. 357 #1073-1073 Edmond Turner-------48 M-----NC Mary A.------------------52 F-----NC Nathaniel---------------23 M-----NC William C.-------------21 M------NC Bartlett Y.-------------13 M------TN John D. E___-----------7 M------NC Mary C.-----------------4 F--------MO The name that I can't make out on the child John D. E..... It could be Edmund but it is not clearly that. Edmund Turner here is almost certainly the Edmund Turner who married Mary Slade in Caswell Co., NC. In the "Biographical and Historical Memoirs of Eastern Arkansas (Chicago: GoodSpeed Publishers, 1890), there is a profile of two sons of Edmund Turner and Mary Slade--Capt. B. (Bartlett) Y. Turner and Nathan S. Turner-- that state that their father Edmund Turner and mother Mary Slade were natives of Caswell Co., NC. It chronicles the families migration from NC briefly to TN (where Bartlett Y. Turner was born), then in 1844 to Missouri where he supposedly remained 10 years, subsequently moving to Mississippi (located in Marshall Co. on 1850 Census) before moving to Phillips Co. AR in 1857 where he and his wife were reported to have died in 1858. The write up stated (ambigously however) that the father of Edmund Turner (b. c 1802) was an Edmund Turner Sr. a native of Maryland who was a Rev. War Soldier. Whether this is correct is not known. There does not appear to be an older Edmund Turner in Caswell Co. records. The exact relationship between Edmund Turner and James C. Turner has not been discovered but it is belived that they likely were related. I had been sent a genealogy outline of someone's research which listed Edmund Turner and James C. Turner as children of Thomas Turner who died in 1823 in Caswell Co., NC. Does anyone have the estate papers for Thomas Turner? Seeking proof. There was a Renfro Turner who is a child of Bartlett Y. Turner (and his third wife Ella Renfro) who was born Nov. 12, 1880 and was in Crittenden Co., MO for his registration for WWI. His wife was Elise Ford. He and Elise appear to have had a son named Renfro Turner Jr. born about 1913. Does anyone recognize this name? I can't find Renfro Turner after the 1920 Census where he was enumerated in Crittenden Co., MO. We need this group documented in the Turner DNA Project.

Lucy Turner appears on the 1860 Mortality Schedule for Caswell Co., NC as dying in Dec. 1859 at the age of 86 years old. This mortality schedule listed her place of birth as NC but the 1850 Census shows her with place of birth in VA. There is a will recorded in Caswell Co., NC Will Book S, (1858-1863) for a Lucy Turner which was apparently filed in 1860. Does anyone have access to this will or have a good abstract of this Will? I think (looking for proof) she is Lucy Pleasants, widow of James Turner whom she married on 5 Aug 1793 in Caswell Co., NC. I further think that James Turner died before 1830 when Lucy shows up as head of household in 1830 Census of Caswell Co., NC in age bracket 60-70 years old. In 1840 Census she is still listed in the 60-70 age bracket. I believe that Lucy's husband James Turner is often mistakenly confused with another James Turner who was the son of Henry Turner who died 1809 in Caswell Co., NC. Records suggest strongly that he is a different James Turner entirely. James Turner (son of Henry Turner d. 1809) was born in 1756 in Culpeper Co. VA and died in 1835 in Williamson Co., TN. His first wife was Sarah (last name not known) who didn't die until 9 Aug 1809 (Bible Record) and he was having children by Sarah all through the time period 1780- 1807 so he clearly was not married to Lucy Pleasants in 1793. After the death of Sarah in 1809, he married second to Catherine White on 3 Sept 1811 in Williamson Co. TN and had one more child named William born in 1814. James (son of Henry d. 1809) gave a deposition regarding his brother John Turner who was killed in 1830 in Williamson Co. TN by his slave. In this deposition, he talks of the children his brother John Turner had by Sarah Kimbrough which were named in the will of Henry Turner (d. 1809) to receive John's share of the estate at John Turner's request. These girls names were Frances/Fanny, Nancy, and Delilah. John's wife Sarah Kimbrough was deceased before April 1817 as they are also named in the estate papers of Sarah Kimbrough Turner's father John Kimbrough. Thus, it is clear that this John Turner is the one who married this particular Sarah Kimbrough. John Turner later took up with Catherine Cheeks Butler and lived with her for about 7 years before marrying her. He had two daughters by Catherine before he married her: Minerva Turner who married William Hunter and Levitah Turner who married Josiah Wynne. After he married Catherine Cheeks Butler, they had one legitimate child: John Jackson Turner. I am including this information in this posting in an attempt to try to begin to get the Caswell Co. NC Turners sorted out correctly. There are some Family Trees posted on Rootsweb which appear to have combined and terribly mixed up the Caswell Co., NC Turner lines. We very much need to get these families sorted out to determine which of the lines in Caswell Co., NC were related and which were not related. If we can get male Turners directly descended from the Caswell Co., NC Turners in the Turner DNA Project, we will have a good opportunity to be able to begin to sort them out. It will take a combination of the records plus the DNA tests but it will truly be a huge step in the right direction. If you are researching these lines and especially if you descend from the lines and know of male Turners that are from your group, please please help out on this. Gail R. Blancett Administrator Turner DNA Project

Judith Your query was one of the few that centre around California - I wonder - and this is obviously a long-shot - did you come across (maybe a cousin, nephew etc. to your realtives) a Lloyd Edmund Turner in LA in 1923 in your research. He 'supposedly' married my grandmother Eileen Geddes in late '23 or early '24 - but we can find no record of the marriage in LA or Orange counties. He also reputedly died in a car accident in '24 - but again no death record. Have more background info. if you feel there is any possibility of a connection. Thanks for considering my question. Best wishes, Chris >From: Judith Pickett <tgenea@prodigy.net> >Reply-To: turner@rootsweb.com >To: turner@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [TURNER] M.G. Turner/CA >Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 00:19:55 -0800 (PST) > >Hello, C.S.Mason !! Is it possible to get death certificates on Mildred >Turner Kelly &/or her brothers, Earl & Ray, to get place of birth & parents >names?? Most states were doing death certs. by 1930. Judy in PasadenaCA >"Lost in the Past" > >CS Mason <seemason@yahoo.com> wrote: Margie wrote: > > > > >Sophia also had a female living there named Eliza Turner no husband. >Eliza > >had several children one was Mildred Turner 1835 who married Thomas Fox >1835 > >they moved to Frederick County Maryland. On her marriage certificate >Mildred > >Turner is said to have listed her father as John Turner and her mother >Eliza > >Howard Turner. No record of a John Turner has been found and no marriage > >license found. > > > >Can anybody shed any light on this family. > >------------------------------- > > >My "brick wall" (my grandmother): > >Mildred Grace TURNER b. 04/1899 place unknown; d. 07/06/1933 >m. 1916 - Leo Harley Kelly b. 1899 place unknown > >children: Lilas A. Kelly b. 1917 >Lorrain Kelly >Clyde Kelly - deceased, CA > >Mildred died July 4th 1933 in an automobile accident in California > > >brothers of Mildred TURNER: >Earl TURNER, deceased - WA >Ray TURNER, deceased - CA > > > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >TURNER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >TURNER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Find Singles In Your Area Now With Match.com! msnuk.match.com

Hello all: I have found 'my' family in the 1851 census in St George Hanover Square, London, England: Barnabas, 39,...born Stowmarket, Suffolk ( note Ancestry has him as Barnbas) Alice. wife, 39...born Earls Colne, Essex (discovered her maiden name was MILNES, dau of Joseph Milnes and Elizabeth Drew) Alice..dau, 10,...born Surrey (married ASHTON) *** my line Joanna..dau, 8..born MDX (married CLAYTON?) Sarah..dau 5...born MDX (no further details found yet) Amelia ..dau 2..born MDX (married GIBSON?) Have not found the family in the 1861 census, (missing records??)but have found some other details for later dates. I am posting this message in the hopes that others are researching these names. I would be happy to share what I have discovered. Happy searching, Judy in Canada.

James C. Turner married Mary Bigelow in 1823 in Caswell Co. NC (Marriage Bond dated 17 Dec 1823 per NC Marriage Bonds). Mary Cartherell "formerly Turner" is named as a sister of Thomas Bigelow alias Pattillo in his will in 1873 in Caswell Co. NC as well as several nieces and nephews: Thomas Turner, James Turner, John Turner, Thadeus Turner, and niece Lucretia Collins--all of Texas. 1870 Census finds these these folks in Titus Co. TX: Mt. Pleasant, Titus Co. TX (image 9/13 of Ancestry.com) #11-11 Turner, Thomas-------43 M------NC Ellena M.------------37 F------AL Ellen S.-------------16 F------TX James A.-------------13 M------TX George C.------------12 M------TX Margaret-------------10 Minnie----------------8 Thomas----------------7 Albert J.-------------5 Mattie----------------1 (image 11/13 of Ancestry.com) #20-20 Collins, Leonidus----49 M---Physician-----NC Lucresia-------------45 F-----------------NC James B.-------------9 M------------------TX Harmon, Dotia-------11 F ______, Patia-------11 F Collins, Jackson----41 M------------------NC [Note: I've found several family trees listing Leonidus Collins as a son of "a" Brice Collins] (image 12/13 of Ancestry.com) #24 Turner, Thadeous S.----28 M W----MO Delia------------------29 F W----TN Corthal, Mary----------64 F W----NC [this would be the widow of James C. Turner] image 13/13 #31 Turner, John L.---------37 M------NC Ophelia C.--------------33 F------MO James C.----------------13 M------MO John--------------------11 M------MO Mary---------------------9 F------MO Thadeous-----------------5 M------TX Theo---------------------1 M------TX Golden-------------------3 F------TX The places of birth on some of these children in MO suggested they should be located in 1860 and 1850 in Missouri. 1860 Census Greene Co. MO, Taylor Twp. P. O. Springfield (image 2/21) #589 J. L. Turner-----26 M-----NC Ophelia----------23 F-----MO James-------------3 M-----MO John--------------1 M-----MO (John Turner married Ophelia Campbell on 25 Mar 1856 in Greene Co. MO--Missouri Marriage Records) 1860 Census Greene Co. MO, Wilson Twp. P. O. Wilson Creek image 8/17 #53 Mary M. Cathell-----52 F------NC Thadius S. Turner---19 M------MO (J. Cartheral married Mrs. M. Turner on 26 Feb 1854 in Greene Co. MO--Missouri Marriage Records) 1860 Census Greene Co. MO, Jackson Twp. image 1/26 #411-432 James Turner------30 M------NC Elizabeth---------39 F------TN (James R. Turner married Elizabeth M. McCracken on 8 March 1854 Greene Co. MO) Thomas Turner had already moved to Texas and was on the 1860 Census of Titus Co. TX: 1860 Census Titus Co., TX P. O. Dangerfield image 1/26 #346 Thomas H. Turner-------32 M-----NC E. M.------------------26 F-----AL J. A.------------------4 M------TX G. C.------------------3 M------TX With the son Thadeus Turner being listed as born in MO about 1840, they should be listed on the 1850 Census of Missouri. 1850 Census, Greene Co. MO, Jackson Township image 13/18 #2039 Mary M. Turner-------45 F------NC Thomas H. -----------23 M------NC James R.-------------21 M------NC John L. B.-----------18 M------NC Theophilus-----------13 M------MO Thadeus---------------9 M------MO Mary M. Turner had 15 slaves on the 1850 Slave schedule. As has already been shown, Mary M. Turner married in 1854 to J. Cartheral and he apparently died or they separated before 1860. The ages of the children and places of birth in the 1850 Census suggests the family moved from NC to MO between 1832 and 1837. It is possible that the James C. Turner in 1840 Gasconade Co. MO is the correct James C. Turner but I have not proven that yet. The household is a reasonable fit to the children we know that were with Mary in 1850 plus the daughter Lucretia (born c 1825 per 1870 Census) who married in 1845. 1840 Census, Gasconade Co. MO James C. Turner 1 M U 5 1 M 5-10 2 M 10-15 1 M 30-40 1 F 15-20 2 F 30-40 (they have several slaves with them) I believe that the following James Turner in the 1830 Census of Caswell Co. NC may be the correct James Turner. 1830 Census, Caswell Co. NC image 37 James Turner 2 M U 5 [probably Thomas and James R.] 1 M 20-30 [probably James C.] 1 F U 5 [probably Lucretia] 1 F 20-30 [probably Mary Bigelow alias Pattillo] This household is enumerated between Brice Collins (listed by some researchers as the father of Leonidas Collins) and the household of what may be "Lucy" (name unclear but begins with an "L" and ends with a "y") Turner. They were enumerated near several Pleasants families. I am speculating at this point (and this would need to be proven) that this was Lucy Pleasants who married James Turner on 5 Aug 1793. I believe he is likely the James Turner usually referred to as "of Hico" on tax rolls and records. He is not James Turner, son of Henry Turner who died 1809 in Caswell Co. NC. Mary Bigelow Turner Carthell was still living in 1880 with her son Thad. S. Turner in Franklin Co. TX. She listed her age as 74 born in NC with her father appearing to be born in Connecticut (assuming the census taker used "Con" as the abbreviation) and mother born in NC. A person who submitted the transcription on the Will of Thomas Bigelow "alias Pattillo" written in 1873 in Caswell Co., NC stated that Thomas, Mary and Elizabeth were children of a Mr. Pattillo and Elizabeth ?. After the death of Mr. Pattillo, his widow, Elizabeth married second Roderick Bigelow. The three Pattillo children--Thomas, Mary and Elizabeth--took the step-father's name Bigelow. This seems to be born out by the fact that Mary's marriage bond listed her as Mary Bigelow rather than Pattillo. Would love to contact any one researching these Turners!

Hi Linda, Sampson Turner's father was Daniel, also born in Worcester Co., MD. I have him in my online genealogy: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/. Just go to the "turnparker" database. There is this disclaimer: this genealogy is the best that I can do for now, based on available sources. It is hard to find primary sources for 18th Century people. In other words, it is a work in progress. So if you discover any information on this Turner family, primary source or otherwise, please let me know. Phil Turner Linda Hallman <dixierose@alltel.net> wrote: I have two Turner lines. My 6 great grandfather was Sampson Turner born c. 1759 Worcester Co. Maryland and died 1805 in Hancock Co. Georgia. He married his cousin 1781 in Worcester Co, Mary Turner b. 1763 Worcester Co. Maryland and died 1850 in Hancock Co. Georgia. They only had one son, Wilson Turner b. 1800 Baldwin Co. Georgia. I would love to find proof of who Sampson's parents are. Mary's parents were Zadoc Turner b. 1729 Worcester Co. Maryland and died 1819 in Hancock Co. Ga. and his wife was Sabra Hick b. 1730. Sampson and Zadoc were both Revolutionary War Soldiers for Maryland. I can not find proof of where Sampson was born. No one has ever proven Sampson for the DAR, so I have to prove his place of birth as a new patriot. His military papers only state that he fought for Maryland. Any ideas or suggestion would be greatly appreciate. Linda Visit my webpage: Dixie Rose's Homepage: http://home.alltel.net/ehallman ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TURNER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have two Turner lines. My 6 great grandfather was Sampson Turner born c. 1759 Worcester Co. Maryland and died 1805 in Hancock Co. Georgia. He married his cousin 1781 in Worcester Co, Mary Turner b. 1763 Worcester Co. Maryland and died 1850 in Hancock Co. Georgia. They only had one son, Wilson Turner b. 1800 Baldwin Co. Georgia. I would love to find proof of who Sampson's parents are. Mary's parents were Zadoc Turner b. 1729 Worcester Co. Maryland and died 1819 in Hancock Co. Ga. and his wife was Sabra Hick b. 1730. Sampson and Zadoc were both Revolutionary War Soldiers for Maryland. I can not find proof of where Sampson was born. No one has ever proven Sampson for the DAR, so I have to prove his place of birth as a new patriot. His military papers only state that he fought for Maryland. Any ideas or suggestion would be greatly appreciate. Linda Visit my webpage: Dixie Rose's Homepage: http://home.alltel.net/ehallman

Hugh Turner - b 1795 PA - d 1869 Iowa married (Oct 1819) Mary Cain b 1790 Ireland - d 1853 (presumably in Iowa) This PA connection would seem far fetched, except that very recent DNA results show an exact match between some GA/FLA Turners and My PA Turners. Cheers Warren At 10:13 AM 11/16/2006, you wrote: >Does anyone have any TURNER and CAIN marriages? Looking mainly for someone >from Georgia but not totally restricted to that area. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >TURNER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone have any TURNER and CAIN marriages? Looking mainly for someone from Georgia but not totally restricted to that area.

Have you tried the Geneology room at the NH State Library in Concord, NH???? http://www.nh.gov/nhsl/ is the home website...they have a large Genealogy area and are very helpful..you could either email them (I think) or give them a call ... just a thought.. BFaye in NH Betty Faye HOLT Lawton email: fuzdawg@metrocast.net http://www2.tribalpages.com/tribe/ browse?userid=luvgrits&view=9&rand=339369332 or: http://tinyurl.com/q9yv5 Researching: Maternal: CLOUD, CHILDRESS, ELLIOTT, WHEELER Paternal: HOLT, LINDSEY, CARSWELL, TUCKER, TURNER, MATHIS, RUTHERFORD On Tuesday, Nov 14, 2006, at 00:11 US/Eastern, KHansen784@aol.com wrote: > I would invite Consider and his son Vine Turner to dinner. I would > like to > get to know them and hear of Consider's Rev. War experiences and why > he moved > from Mass. to NH? I would ask him if the "Old Mrs. Turner" that died > in > 1808, in Keene, NH, was his wife Mary Brown, and who were her > parents. I would > ask Vine where I could find primary records for his daughter, > Candace. Where > was she married and where/when was she born? Is there a family bible > that > was kept of the two families. > > Carolee > California > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TURNER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I would invite my gg grandpa William Turner, born 1815 in Ohio. He was first married to Rhoda Haley, then to Elizabeth Hisel (possibly a former married name). His son Ambrose, married to Nellie Cain was my great grandpa. I would love to know who his parents and siblings were. Sarah Thompson ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.

I would invite my gr-grandfather Miles Allen Turner who stood 6' 8" and wore size 16 shoes, his parents Peter Turner and Frances Barrentine, Peter's Melungeon father James Turner and his African-American mother Anna Mitchell.

I surely would love to be at that Thanksgiving dinner with a DNA swab kit to collect some cheek samples from Miles Allen Turner before he started wolfing down that Turkey. It would be very very interesting to see what the haplogroup on him would be! If you know of any male Turners directly descended from Miles Allen Turner or brothers or cousins, would you get one of them to join the Turner DNA Project to document that line? Gail R. Blancett Administrator Turner DNA Project lw.sou.ry.steam@juno.com wrote: >I would invite my gr-grandfather Miles Allen Turner who stood 6' 8" and wore size 16 shoes, his parents Peter Turner and Frances Barrentine, Peter's Melungeon father James Turner and his African-American mother Anna Mitchell. > > > > >

I would like to ask Abraham Turner b. 17 Sept. 1718 in Guilford, New Haven, CT., and who married first Elizabeth Evarts and secondly Thankful Gough (Goff) who his parents and grandparents were. Was he related to Humphrey Turner? Abraham and Elizabeth had a son, Abraham Jr. who married Sarah Niles. They had a son, Artemus who removed to Lower Canada (Quebec) before 1798 and married Elizabeth Dunham. This branch of the Turner family is still in Canada today, however I never see any referance to them. Anybody on the list researching this line of Turners? Ernie Turner..........Ontario.............Canada =================================== _________________________________________________________________ Experience Live Search from your PC or mobile device today. http://www.live.com/?mkt=en-ca