Alfred Edward TURNER born at Bristol, ENG may have gone to the US. Possibly had a son Alfred born 19 October 1889. Also a Frank N TURNER, born 1889 at Bristol may have emigrated to the US. Any help appreciated. THanks, Ollie Turner

Looking for the ancestors of Richard TURNER and Eliza RICK. Richard was born in 1814/15/ or 1819 in England and died on 20 Feb. 1879 probably in Illinois. He married Eliza RICK in 1844 in England. Eliza was born on 29 Oct. 1825 in Perton, Wiltshire, England and died 12 April 1911 in Prophetstown, Whiteside Co., Illinois. Richard and Eliza came from England to New York state in 1844 and moved to Illinois in 1856. They had 15 children: 1. William Turner, born in 1848/49 in New York, living in Prophetstown, Illinois in 1911. 2. John Turner, born in 1850 in New York and died 1934 in Oregon. He married Irena Dow in 1873 in Whiteside Co., Illinois. 3. Anna Turner, born in 1851 and died 1892 in Clinton, Iowa. She may have married William Zimmer. 4. James Turner, born 1852/53 in New York, living in Prophetstown, Illinois in 1911. 5. Jane Turner, born 1854/55 in New York. 6. Charles Turner, born 1856 in New York and died in 1941. Living in Prophetstown, Illinois in 1911. 7. Henry A. Turner, born 1857/58 in Illinois. Living in Minneapolis in 1911. 8. Sarah Turner, born 1859/60 in Illinois. Living in Prophetstown, Illinois in 1911. She married ______ Cox. 9. Robert Turner, born 1860/61/62 in Illinois. Living in Prophetstown, Illinois in 1911. 10. Eliza Turner, born 1865/66 in Illinois. Living in Prophetstown, Illinois in 1911. 11. Wallace Turner, born 1865/66 in Illinois. Living in Prophetstown, Illinois in 1911. 12. Ellen Turner, born 1867/68 in Illinois. 13. George Turner, living in Prophetstown, Illinois in 1911. 14. Mary Turner, living in Clinton, Iowa in 1911. She married ______ Zimmer. 15. May (?) Turner. Thanks, Jim St. John Bremerton, WA.

PJ Dennis wrote of Nelson Turner, born in 1782, Louden Co, VA. Our Nelson, b 1797, was the 4th generation of tobacco farmers from Henrico county, so I doubt there's a connection all the way up in Louden County. But the name NELSON raises flags........ The name Nelson pops up in our line right out of the blue with no prior family or person with the same name. We lose track of our guy in KY so haven't been able to determine if there were other Nelsons in the line. It just struck me that Lord Admiral Horation Nelson was well known because of his heroics in the Napoleonic Wars then, and that may account for so many incidences of such an unusual given name at that time. Does anyone have any insight/information into this theory? Karen BANDT, FAUSCH, HOPKINS, LIVINGSTON, ORSBURN, PAGELOW, POWELL, ROWAN, RUSSELL, TIGH, TURNER check my website: http://www.alveus.com/rdoll/index.html

My GGGGrandfather--Maj.Lewis Ellzey Turner b 1754 Loudoun Co Va I have info re sons HENRY and JUDGE EDWARD TURNER Appreciate sharing data with any descendents of other children of Lewis Ellzey Turner viz; JAMES TURNER b 1782 Loudoun Co VA m ANN SMITH BOWMAN NELSON TURNER (TWIN) B 1782 Loudoun Co VA m SALLiE ELLIS SHAW THEODOSIA TURNER b 1788, Fayette Co KY m ASA PAYNE FIELDING LEWIS TURNER b 1776 LOUDOUN CO VA m CAROLINE AUGUSTA SARGENT ANN HOLLAND TURNER b 1784 Loudoun Co VA ELIZA PAYNE TURNER b 1793 Fayette Co K'Y

My ancestors are George Freelove Turner, b. 1801, Wrangle England, married Elizabeth Neal 1823,.My family came to America, about 1853, via New Orleans.They settled in Mills County, Iowa. Would love to learn more about this family, and share what I have. Viola L. Flawr84722@aol.com

Hi, I don't know if you looked at the 1880 census for Bell County, but in the 1880 Census- Ed #6 Household #61. This is how Francis Owens is listed. Owens, Francis 25 TN " Hanah J. 27 KY (maiden name Overton) Bryant, Sallie 10 KY Step-daughter " Patsey E. 8 KY Step-daughter " W. T. 7 KY Step-son Owens, James T. 2 KY Son ) This son is living next door to Francis in 1900) " John D. 1 month KY Son (This son is living next door to Francis in 1900) Overton, Edgar 60 KY Father in Law. In the vital records, James Owens was born 28, May 1878 to F. Owens, B. TN and __Bryant b. Whitley Co. KY. James was born in Bell County. There are lots of Owens in Knox Co. KY in 1850-1860, but none in 1870. I have found many Owens in the early years of Claiborne Co, TN, but haven't looked in the 1850-1860-1870. You might want to try in that county. I hope this has helped you some. Yvonne > 1900 Bell County Census > Linda Owens' father was Francis M. Owens > it doesn't list a mother's name > Frances M. Owens was married to Alice Evans(Evins/Evens) > Note: We do not agree that this was the mother of Lindy. But > a Stepmother > Linda or Malinda was a Half-Sister to William Henry Bryant, who was > married > to Fannie (Nancy) Cathrine (Marsee) Bryant. William Henry Bryant was the > son of Alford Bryant and Anne Sego as stated on his death certificate. > Henry Bryant was b.approx.1872 at abt 41, Struck by Lightening. Bell > County, Ky. He is buried in Hensley Cemetery, Noetown, Ky. (Henry's > death certificate states that he was buried in Rains Cemetery, was he > moved later in the years) > Anne Sego Parents were Andy Stephens and Peggie Petrey. According to > here death certificate. Ann died May 8, 1914. She was born 1832, she was > 62 yrs old. Whitley Co. She is buried in Pine Grove Cemetery, Summer, > Ky. J. F. Bryant was the informant. > > 1910 Bell County Census > #No.392 Raines, Milt = 44 > Linda w = 25 > Frances d = 3 > Charley s = 1 Hi, I don't know if I can be of any help

My ggrandfather's name was Isaac W TURNER, first son of Craven S TURNER. Isaac was born in 1846, in, I believe, Hocking Co. Ohio, although I haven't found a record of his birth. I know his children's names, The earliest record I have of Craven S is his marriage record, 1843.Hocking Co. Ohio, to Mary CROW, whose parents supposedly were born in Pa. His obituary says he was born in Loudoun Co. Va. in 1819. No record of that either. It may be that his name was WalSie Craven Turner. I have no idea who his parents were, or where he was between 1819 and 1843. It's possible I could be looking for an Isaac as his father, as Isaac W. named a son Isaac P. Any clues welcome. Thanks

Searching for Isaac TURNER b 1788 Paris, FR d 1867 Wayne Co., PA. Isaac m Nancy KELLEY in 1848 after he stopped at her farm in Wayne Co., PA and worked for her. They had 8 children: Mathilda who was a post mistress for NayAug, PA; John Milton; Franklyn Varney; Mary Angeline; James Buchanan; Rosilla Correll; Elma Martha; and Elmer Marcus (last 2 were twins). Family lore says Isaac 'came from the West' when he stopped at Nancy's farm and that he had been married twice before. Nothing is know of these marriages but he had children from them. In the 1850 Wayne Co., PA census a John TURNER is shown living next door to Isaac/Nancy. His children were: Maria, George and Milton - twins; Victoria and Virginia, and Henry. Since the name MILTON shows up in the children with Nancy plus twins in each family (this also carried into the next generation), I feel this John was an earlier son of Isaac. Is anyone out there missing an ISAAC TURNER???? Hope to hear from some of you out there!!!!!

Hope I didn't leave any out, whew! Following is information gathered for my Grandparents whom we are having a terrible time finding, Especially our Grandmother LINDY OWENS/ she was also knows as LINDA/MANDY/MELINDA/MALINDA/LIZZIE/MOLEUDA/AMANDA/MOLINA/MOLINDHY Believe me, I am not making this up. We have been told so many different things that we are totally confused and in hopes that someone out there can get us on the right tract to move forward in developing out Family Tree. 1900 Bell County Census Linda Owens' father was Francis M. Owens it doesn't list a mother's name Frances M. Owens was married to Alice Evans(Evins/Evens) Note: We do not agree that this was the mother of Lindy. But a Stepmother Linda or Malinda was a Half-Sister to William Henry Bryant, who was married to Fannie (Nancy) Cathrine (Marsee) Bryant. William Henry Bryant was the son of Alford Bryant and Anne Sego as stated on his death certificate. Henry Bryant was b.approx.1872 at abt 41, Struck by Lightening. Bell County, Ky. He is buried in Hensley Cemetery, Noetown, Ky. (Henry's death certificate states that he was buried in Rains Cemetery, was he moved later in the years) Anne Sego Parents were Andy Stephens and Peggie Petrey. According to here death certificate. Ann died May 8, 1914. She was born 1832, she was 62 yrs old. Whitley Co. She is buried in Pine Grove Cemetery, Summer, Ky. J. F. Bryant was the informant. 1910 Bell County Census #No.392 Raines, Milt = 44 Linda w = 25 Frances d = 3 Charley s = 1 Other Neighbors were: #No.389 Carmack, John = 24 TN Delia (Boyd) w = 18 NC Huston s = 3 Sarah d = 2 #No.390 Ridings, Ben = 28 TN Nancy Mae (Turner) Ridings w = 22 TN Leona d = 5 TN Gracie d = 2 TN #No.391 Bryant, W. Henry = 30 Katherine (Marsee) = 29 Harvey s = 16 Roscoe s = 14 Glynn s = 12 Samantha (Sam) Love (aka Maggie) d = 7 Cora Rebecca d = 1 Linda Owens m. 1st Nelson Marsee, Clairborne, TN on Jan.1, 1903 by J. M. Drummond. She divorced Nelson Marsee approx. 1908. Length of marriage approx. 5 years. And actually lived with him approx. 2 years. Linda Owens then married Milt Raines (M.Book, Page 246 Bell Co. dated at Pineville) on Dec. 11. 1909. Marriage License states: Milt Rains, Shamrock, Ky, Age 44, 1st. Marriage. Occupation Coal Miner, Father Red Rains and does not state a mother's name. Linda Owens, Shamrock, Ky, Age 24, 2nd Marriage, Father Frances Owens, does not state a mothers name. Date of Marriage Dec. 11, 1909. Witness: David H. Doyle, Mrs. Janes Powell and Mrs. W. T. Robbins. Linda Owens gives birth to a child: William France Rains (This is not the name he was born with) According to his death certificate he was born May 6, 1908 in Stonega, Va. and lists: Parents Milt Rains and Lindy (Owens) Rains, Witnessed David Doyle. This certificate was not filed until 1942. 11/24/1913 Linda Rains - Milton Rains and Catherine Bryant witnessed a marriage for William Harvey Bryant to Nannie L. Brady. Harvey would have been a 1/2 uncle to Linda (Owens) Rains. In 1917, Nov. 30 = Linda (Owens) Rains gave birth to a Child. John Thomas Rains. birth certificate states his parents as: J. M. Rains (J. M. Bains) and Malinda (Moleuda, the certificate was ordered with this name) Owens. It states there was 2 births at this time, twins born to Linda Owens Rains. Searching for other child. John Thomas Rains d. Sept. 4, 1987 and is buried at Evarts Memorial Gardens, Evarts, Ky. He married Maggie White. 1920 Bell County Census #No 96 Hignite Hollow Raines, Milt = 53 Linda = 33 Frances d=11 Thomas s=2-1/2 Feb. 1, 1921- Letter to Mr. Milt Rains, Shamrock, Ky. from J. D. Owens, Norton, Va. Mar. 8, 1921- Letter sent to Mrs. Malinda Rains, Shamrock, Ky. marked (Persenley, exactly as shown on letter) July 5, 1926 - Letter sent to Mrs. Linda Rains, R#3 VD Box 148, Middlesboro, Ky. Linda (Owens) Rains cannot be found, nor cannot find a birth certificate, death certificate after 1926. We cannot find a birth certificate for William France Rains either. (Our Father) If anyone our there knows anything, no matter how small, on Linda Owens Rains, Our Grandmother, please contact me. Delilah Earnest deesnest@peganet.com

Just trying again... Reuben S. TURNER, b. 14 Jul 1810 England, d. 1868 Trinity Co., TX, m. Catherine TUNE in 1829 Karen Cotten in TX ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Hello, I am looking for information on James S. Turner. He was married to Georga Banta. The only child that I know of was Cora Turner. Cora was born in 1885 and she died in 1975. Cora was born in Lockport, KY which is in Henry County. Cora married Edward S. Poulter. If anyone knows anything please contact me. Thank You, Sam Sedoris Rsed23455@aol.com

Hi Listers, I'm just starting on this branch of my tree. My Gt Grandmother was Emma Sarah TURNER b 1848 , she married Samuel TURVELL 8 Aug 1871 at the Parish Church of Twickenham, Middlesex in the registration district of Brentford. I'm interested in her father William TURNER listed as gardener (deceased) and a witness Frederick TURNER (a brother maybe?). Would be great to hear from anyone researching in this area. Betty Auckland NZ

These TURNERs descend from Elisha and Patience TURNER of Colchester, Delaware co., NY. After Elisha died in 1801, Patience married Arnold HUNTER, and they moved to Pennsylvannia with her infant son James Covel TURNER. I have a great deal of information on some branches of this family. Jim turner@genweb.net 1 Patience COVEL b: 24 Mar 1779 NY d: 9 Dec 1815 Westfield, Tioga, PA . +Elisha TURNER b: England? m: Abt 1798 d: 1801 Delaware River valley . 2 John Bice TURNER b: 14 Jan 1799 Colchester, NY d: 26 Feb 1871 Chicago .... +Martha VOLUNTINE b: 7 Oct 1798 Saratoga co., NY m: 1819 Malta, NY . 2 James Covel TURNER b: 22 Mar 1800 NY d: 3 May 1838 Tioga, PA .... +Elizabeth SEELY b: 22 Feb 1800 d: 15 Mar 1838 Westfield, Tioga, PA .... 3 Eliza TURNER b: 25 Sep 1823 Tioga, PA d: 7 Sep 1900 Falconer, NY ....... +Andrew MALLORY d: 5 Nov 1906 Harrison Valley, Potter co., PA .... 3 Ann TURNER b: 15 Oct 1829 d: 16 Aug 1913 Westfield, Tioga co., PA ....... +Jacob KELTS b: 1820 d: 7 Dec 1908 Lindley, Steuben co., NY .... 3 Harriett TURNER b: 15 Nov 1831 Tioga, PA d: 1 Jun 1910 Potter, PA ....... +Amos ENGLISH b: 17 Jun 1821 NY m: 1845 d: 25 Apr 1875 Potter, PA .... 3 Elisha TURNER b: Abt 1832 Tioga co., PA d: 25 Oct 1880 Lee co., IL ....... +Harriet E. NEWELL b: 25 Sep 1838 OH m: Dec 1860 d: 4 Jan 1925 IL ....... 4 James W. TURNER b: 3 May 1862 IL d: 31 Jan 1913 .......... +Anna DODGE b: 5 Feb 1869 Brunswick, ME d: 8 May 1945 .... 3 James Covel TURNER b: Mar 1836 Tioga, PA d: 25 Nov 1899 Tioga, PA .... 3 Elizabeth TURNER b: 15 Mar 1838 Tioga, PA d: 14 Aug 1915 Potter, PA ....... +Guy EASTMAN m: 1858 *2nd Husband of Patience Covel: . +Arnold HUNTER b: 17 Mar 1778 m: 1801 d: 16 Mar 1857 Potter co., PA . 2 Eliza HUNTER b: 13 May 1802 . 2 Enoch HUNTER b: 1 Mar 1804 d: 12 May 1839 . 2 George HUNTER b: 19 Sep 1806 . 2 Susan HUNTER b: 11 Jun 1810 . 2 William Chamberlain HUNTER b: 6 Aug 1812 PA d: 21 Nov 1814 PA . 2 Cyrus HUNTER b: 18 Aug 1814 PA

I am researching my grandfather Walter Thomas George Turner. On his marriage certificate he states that he was born in Fulham, Surrey, London. Father Walter Turner. Mother Martha Strickland. I would like to apply for his birth Certificate but not knowing my history too well could anyone tell me where I start. Is Fulham in London or Surrey. He was Church of England religion so how do I go about finding out what parish he was born in. He left England and went to Canada and then to Australia but did not keep up any contact with his family so I am lost. Regards Kay O'Neil wellington@beyond.net.au

In a message dated 4/1/1999 12:27:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, TURNER-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << TURNER-L@rootsweb.com >> Version #1: Shadrack Turner and Margaret Hill had 12 children one being James Francis Turner who married Sally Farmer Turner, daughter of Meshack Turner and Sallie Farmer, on 27 Feb 1807. Version #2: Shadrack Turner and Margaret Hill had 12 children one being Sarah Frances (Sally) Turner who married James Francis Turner, son of Meshack S. Turner and Sally Farmer, on 6 Sep 1806. Could we put this to rest once and for all. I transcribed the marriages in Lincoln county from the microfilm for a book. Shadracks daughter Sarah Frances Turner married Meshack's son James Francis Turner September 6 1806 but the marriage was not recorded till February 27, 1807. A note was placed in the original license stating she was the dau of Shadrack--who at that time was prominant in county government in Lincoln county. Descendants of Shadrack Turner II 1 Shadrack TURNER II Sex: Male b: 1752 Va d: 1820 in Lincoln Co, Ga +Margaret HILL Sex: Female b: 1750 Halifax Co,Va d: Bef. 1797 in Va m: Abt. 1775 Halifax, Va Father: James HILL Mother: Elizabeth unk 2 Mary Elizabeth (Polly) TURNER Sex: Female b: Mar 19, 1776 Haliifax Co, Va, Pettsylvania d: Aug 27, 1860 in Madison Co Alabama +William GOLDEN, Sr Sex: Male b: Apr 23, 1776 Va d: Oct 20, 1852 in Madison Co Alabama m: Mar 12, 1797 Lincoln co Ga Father: John GOLDEN 2 Richard TURNER Sex: Male b: Nov 17, 1779 d: 1852 in Newton, Ga +Mary HENDERSON Sex: Female b: Abt. 1786 d: Aft. 1840 m: 1799 2 Lewis TURNER Sex: Male b: 1780 Pittsylvania Co., VA d: Jun 09, 1847 in Lincoln Co Ga 2 Nancy TURNER Sex: Female b: Oct 04, 1782 Pittsylvania, VA d: Aug 16, 1856 in Jasper Co Ga +Elisha Gilliam CRAWFORD Sex: Male b: Feb 05, 1779 Va d: Jun 26, 1861 in Jasper Co Ga m: Oct 02, 1808 Lincoln County, GA Father: William CRAWFORD Mother: unk Gilliam 2 Shadrack TURNER III Sex: Male b: 1787 d: Dec 30, 1844 in Lincoln Co Ga +Unity GILLIAM Sex: Female d: Abt. 1822 m: Apr 14, 1808 Lincoln Co , Ga *2nd Wife of Shadrack Turner III: +Sally LOCKHART Sex: Female b: 1792 Linc Co d: Oct 1834 m: Aft. 1822 Linc Co *3rd Wife of Shadrack Turner III: +Mary TAYLOR Sex: Female m: Jul 17, 1836 Richmond Co, Ga 2 Sarah Frances "Sally" TURNER Sex: Female b: Abt. 1788 +James Francis TURNER Sex: Male b: Aft. 1787 m: Sep 06, 1806 Lincoln co. Father: Meshack TURNER, Jr Mother: Sally Farmer 2 William K. TURNER Sex: Male b: 1789 Wilkes County GA d: Bef. 1848 in Lincoln County, GA +Peggy MARTIN Sex: Female m: Aug 27, 1809 Wi lkes County GA *2nd Wife of William K. Turner: +Lucy MERIWETHER Sex: Female b: Wi lkes Co Ga m: Feb 14, 1818 Wilkes County GA 2 Meshack TURNER Sex: Male b: 1790 Lincoln Co GA d: in Macon Co Ala +Fanny TATUM Sex: Female b: 1790 m: Sep 28, 1809 Lincoln Co GA 2 Abednego TURNER Sex: Male b: 1792 Ga d: Sep 02, 1833 in Monroe Co GA +Patsy TATUM Sex: Female b: Bef. 1795 m: Jan 14, 1819 Lincoln Co 2 James B. TURNER Sex: Male b: 1796 Ga d: in Lincoln Co , Ga +Nancy W. DOWNING Sex: Female b: 1799 d: in Lincoln Co , Ga m: Nov 18, 1818 Lincoln Co Father: William DOWNING Mother: Elizabeth unk 2 Elizabeth TURNER Sex: Female b: 1798 +Samuel WIDEMAN Sex: Male b: 1801 m: Sep 30, 1818 Lincoln Co 2 Susan TURNER Sex: Female b: 1800 d: Bef. 1850 +Pharis MARTIN Sex: Male b: 1803 d: Bef. 1850 m: Jan 13, 1820 lincoln co Ga He left a will and these are the children.

I was just directed to the Sumner County, TN GenWeb page for some information. While there, I checked out their Bible Records, and found that there are several with Turners listed. There's lots of Turner information there - good luck!! Anita

This is in regards to message from Diane, on subject Turner-Potter Co. Diane mentioned she had Turners in Wayne Co, PA. My husbands great Grandfather John K. Turner was born in Wayne Co, PA to Phillip and Nancy Keesler Turner abt 1833. I have been trying to find parents and birth place for both Phillip and Nancy. Their oldest son on 1850 Wayne Co. PA census gave his birth place as New York. John K. married Harriett Cole abt 1852 in Wayne Co. They moved to Warren Co. MO abt 1856. they moved between Warren Co. Mo and Montgomery and Bond Counties in ILLinois. Phillips children were: Carolyn, Lydia, Ira, Elmira md. Horatio Nelson Conklin, William born 1829, John K. born 1833, George Turner born 1835, Benjamin born 1843, Amos Turner born 1825. If you know anything about this family, I would love to share information with you. Hoping to hear from you. Wadene Bennett P.O. Box 57l05l Tulsa, Oklahoma 74l07 Wadeneben@aol.com ,

copied fron the Boston Transcripts Nov. 12. 1934 and I am seeking the same information. TURNER. Wanted, parentage, dates and place of birth of Jeremiah Turner, Sr. and his first wife, Mary. He died August 23, 1724, in Newtown Tp. Fairfield Co. Conn., probably in that part now known as Hawleyville: Mary died there June 13, 1714. Two sons were born: Jeremiah, Jr. born May 27, 1709, "first white male child born in Newtown;" and Samuel, born May 22, 1713. Jeremiah Turner Sr., married, second September 15, 1714, Wilmot(Willmett) Sherman(probably from Stratford, Conn.) by whom he had Mary, born 1715; Hannah, 1717; Rebecca, 1719; Permiah, 1721: Sarah, 1723. In my own research I find there were two Jeremiah Turners who could maybe have been the father of Jeremiah Turner, Sr. They were both born in Stratford. one was born in 1686 and the other 1690. Does anyone have any information or can do some lookup. I would, of course greatly appreciate any assistanc Wells The inherent worth and dignity of every person Respect for the interdependent web of all existence wbehee@bright.net New Madison, Ohio

Could the person who asked for TURNER's in Potter Co. contact me. Sorry - I deleted you! My TURNER family was from Wayne Co., PA area but would like to exchange some of their names to see if there may be a match. Thanks - Diane

On prior occasions I have submitted inquiries on Stephen Turner and Mary Roundtree. To date I haven't run across anyone else who is working this line. In the meantime I have read and kept some of the exchanges on Shadrack Turner and the many descendants. It wasn't until a couple of months ago that I found that I am also a descendant of Shadrack. I decided to use what everyone else had assembled to create a base from which I will continue research. I do try to keep collateral lines as well. In going through this effort I have run into a problem with the various documents I retained. It is my hope that someone can help me sort out this issue with the children of Shadrack Turner and Margaret Hill. Version #1: Shadrack Turner and Margaret Hill had 12 children one being James Francis Turner who married Sally Farmer Turner, daughter of Meshack Turner and Sallie Farmer, on 27 Feb 1807. Version #2: Shadrack Turner and Margaret Hill had 12 children one being Sarah Frances (Sally) Turner who married James Francis Turner, son of Meshack S. Turner and Sally Farmer, on 6 Sep 1806. All 11 other children of Shadrack Turner and Margaret Hill were the same in each version. I have not been able to make the same comparison of children for Meshack Turner and Sallie Farmer. Is it possible that Shadrack Turner and Margaret Hill had 13 children, one omitted from each source? Dale McKinney