My gg grandfather was George Washington Turner b July 8,1817 in Kentucky and d Nov 28,1886 in Corsciana,Tx . He married Susan Preston b March 18, 1836 They were married Feb 10,1852. Their children were 1 Martha Ellen b Feb 9,1853 2 William T b Feb 9,1854 3 Margaret b Oct 29,1856 4 James b Feb 24,1858 5 John B b Jan 24,1859 6 Nancy Catherine b Sept 25,1861 7 Malena b April 23,1864 8 George J b Nov 26,1866 (my grandfather) 9 Idalee b March 22,1870 10 Julia Ruth b Aug 17,1872 I have a little info from a cousin about John B and thats all I have __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/

My grandmother was a midwife and delivered my Gramma's kids. She put the first names that SHE wanted instead of what gramma wanted. When looking for the birth certificates most of the boys had the wrong names on it. Someone tried to tell me that my uncle didn't know who his grandparents were! Can you imagine! He was there and knew them he should know. The documentation on their names was wrong. Nothing is for sure. Census records are often wrong. The 1930 census is way off on my grandparents. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 2:23 AM Subject: [TURNER] DOCUMENTATION > Some people don't have the money > resorces etc to go to archives and > get copies of Documents: > > All some people have is word of mouth. > which is true if truer than a document: > The words on a document came from > someone's mouth befor it was written in > a document: When a child is born, the > parent(s) tell a nurce what the child's name > is to be, she writes it down on a pad, it > is transcribed by someone else in the > hospital, the hospital sends it to the State, > Someone at the State transcribes it to > a birth Cert................ an people take > that over the word of the Parent. > > I can not document that I was horn; > how am I suppose to document someone > born over 200 years ago? My birth > Cert.......... has my first, middle and last > name spelled wrong. > > Harold Gosnell > (Herild Gasenell on birth cert.) > Which is right? my mother or the > documentation?

My TURNER line is one of my major brick walls. My father's parents never married, and I am looking for any information on my grandfather Robert Lee TURNER born in northern Alabama between approx. 1890 and 1900 and his family line. He was thought to be around 10 years older than my grandmother, Nancy Cornelia PAYNE who was born in 1903. From information passed down from the family he was born to a Robert S. TURNER, who had a brother named Oliver. This brother named Oliver, had a son that he named Oliver also, and he and my grandfather being first cousins, were about the same age. I have found this information that appears to be on my TURNER family line in the online 1880 census: Household Record 1880 United States Census Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace W. M. TURNER Self M Male W 53 TN Farmer --- --- E. C. TURNER Wife M Female W 47 VA House Keeper VA VA Ann E. TURNER Dau S Female W 16 AL Student TN VA John L. TURNER Son S Male W 14 AL Student TN VA Robt. S. TURNER Son S Male W 12 AL Student TN VA Oliver P. TURNER Son S Male W 9 AL Student TN VA Source Information: Census Place Township 3, South Florence, Colbert, Alabama Family History Library Film 1254008 NA Film Number T9-0008 Page Number 365B -------------------------------------- I have not been able to find Robert Lee TURNER or his cousin Oliver TURNER in any other census, or even one that looks to be similar as far as approximate, age, birthplace, family members, etc. Nor have I been able to find any other family members. I understand from talk in the family that possibly there was a third Oliver TURNER in the Oliver TURNER line that is around my Dad's age in his 70's...but have not been able to find him or make contact. Robert Lee TURNER was also supposed to have a sister that married a man named Howard JOHNSON...but just try researching THAT one! LOL Robert Lee TURNER also was thought to have fathered another child, and he and this woman never married either. The child's name was Kenneth HARRIS, as he was not given his father's last name, but his mother's name is unknown. He was born in 1932 and was said to have been killed in the Korean War, though I have not been able to find record of him either. Last know whereabouts of Robert Lee TURNER, was he was thought to have left Alabama in the mid 30's and moved to central Florida. If any of this sounds familiar to anyone, I would love to be able to find out more information for my father regarding his family, and help fill in some branches on our family tree. This is how it seems to run: W M Turner born circa 1827 in Tennessee Robert S Turner born circa 1868 in Alabama Robert Lee Turner born circa 1890-1900 Ivy Lee Turner born 1932 in Alabama Anna Turner Ely I enjoy reading all the posts to this group, although I've never seen anything yet that seems to match up with my Turners! Anna

Most of the information you find on Ancestry is also on their supported web site www.Rootsweb.com. Rootsweb also supports a lot of cities and counties geneology. It's quite helpful, especially when looking for information on say Old Pickens County, Ga. Another link is Cyndislist.com. This site is really helpful.

In a message dated 3/8/2005 4:08:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: From one "amatuer" to another, keep on truckin' and ignore those who are purist know-it-alls. I sometimes have to bite my email's tongue to keep it from sounding off to these "people". Jimmy What started out as a simple request that undocumented or questionable data be labeled as such when sharing it has now turned into name calling. Yes, you can label me a "purist" but I have never claimed to "know it all". Since you don't know me that puts your comment into the speculation category <g> I am paid to teach what I know to those who want to learn how to become serious researchers. All I wanted to do was share the theory of citation and documentation. Those who wish to collect ancestors for fun and recreation only are more than welcome to do so. If it makes them happy then I would never try to stop them or look down upon them. There are those of us who fall into the serious researching genealogist category and we do hold a certain standard for data. It can be an expensive and time consuming adventure and we find as much satisfaction from it as you do. Now lets end what I now regret having started and get on with the roll call. Audrae Turner Mathis

Rose Etta Litchfield [daughter of Vinson Litchfield & Married (2) Rosina Rogers of Winthrop, Me., dau. of Thomas Jefferson Rogers, at Hartland,Me. Nov. 19,1875. She died Jan. 18,1893. Age 35.] --- born Sept. 25,1877. Married (1) Melvin Turner of Athens, Me. on Jan. 13,1891 at Athens, Me. Children : Florence , Harry , Reul , Vera , Cecil , Eva Married (2) Walter Cooley at Livermore Falls ,Me. Nov. 13,1915. No children Died Oct. 23,1918 , at Livermore Falls, Me. Age 42 anyone have information about this turner line in Maine?

Hi Joanne, Excuse me for butting in. There is another branch of TURNERS that seam to be in the same area as the ones you listed below. John TURNER b. 1687 and d. 1759 in Guillford, New Haven, CT., USA. m. Hannah Penfield 1710. She was b. 1687 and d. 1778 in Guillford, CT., USA. I am not sure that the above information is correct, but if so, he was my 8 great grand father. He appears to be the first of this line to be born in the colonies. After many decades, this branch moved gradually north to vermont and then in Lower Canada (Quebec). Artemus Turner b. 1775 in Whatley, MA., USA. He d. 1860 in Dunham, Quebec. He m. Elizabeth Dunham. I have been able to .... starting from John TURNER above to the present .... and with a lot of help .... piece together 11 generations. In your search, have you come across any of this family, and more specifically ... who John TURNER's parents were in England. My hope is that John was not an only child and my have siblings that would provide some help. I am very willing to share the data I have, but I can only vouch for the information from 1798 to the present. Thanks for listening. Ernie ..............Ontario..............Canada ====================================================== >From: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: [TURNER] Re: MA TURNERs: Robert Turner & Elizabeth Freestone >Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:36:09 EST > >Hi Jim, > Wow, there actually is someone else on this list who isn't researching >a >Turner line from the south! > > We are descended from the MA line you refer to (and have lots of >information on other siblings plus antecedents for the women): > ><< 9) Robert TURNER, b. c.1611 ENG of Boston, MA; m. to Elizabeth >FREESTONE. > > > > >(1) Robert TURNER, b. 1611 Eng (of Boston, MA) d 1651; m. to Elizabeth >Freestone > >(2) Habakkuk TURNER b 1647 d. 1685; m to Mary Gardner bp 10 July 1653 (m. >[1] 30 Apr 1670 m. [2] John Marston 15 Sep 1868) > >(3) Robert TURNER b 25 Apr 1671; Wethersfield, Hartford Cty, CT, d. ~ 1745, >Coventry, CT; m to Elizabeth Foote > >(4) Habakkuk TURNER b 1705, d 1792; m to Anne Edwards Davenport b 1705, d >1780 > >(5) John TURNER b ?1727? or ?1735?, CT; m to Mary Wright in Mansfield CT in >1763 > >(6) John TURNER b. 1766, CT d. 1833, NY; m to Mary Ellis b 1772, VT d. >1843, >MI (m. 1793, VT) > >(7) Peter Helmer TURNER b 1813, NY d. 1885, IA; m to Lydia Anne Smith b. >1815, NY d.1858, WI (m. 1836, NY) > >(8) Frank Helmer TURNER b 1850, WI d. 1938, IA; m to Mary Ester Almy b. >1852, >NY d. 1937, IA (m. 1875) > >(9) Elmer Almy TURNER b 2 July 1876 Sioux City, Woodbury Co., IA, d 28 >January 1928, CA; m to Verna Florence Webster b 21 January 1875, Union Co., >South >Dakota, d 14 January 1963, CA > >Plus 3 more generations still living (b in 1910, 1941, & 1981). > > This is just a rough outline... we are still a bit disorganized from >our >move cross country. Would love to correspond and share other info. > >Blessings, > Joanne Turner > > >==== TURNER Mailing List ==== >Turner list website - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/t/turner.html > >============================== >Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

I am not talking about databases, I am referring to queries that were written on free sites and those queries are now at Ancestry.com. I am unable to correct mistakes and my name is not on it so that someone can take the advantage to contact me. Also, they have taken something from a free site, placed it on their paid to view site. That is what I think is wrong. Also, many of us cannot afford the fees to view Ancestry.com. I am intitled to an opinion based on experience whether everyone agrees with it or not. Enough said. Have a happy day!

Obviously most of us do not "purchase" vital records due to cost and availability for everything in our databases, but what we should do is cite the sources where we received our various pieces of information --be it a birth certificate, a page from a genealogy book, a newspaper obituary, etc., even word of mouth from a relative who remembers particular bits of information. Most of us have access to public libraries, LDS family history centers, and sometimes historical societies and other places where one can procure facts from written materials for very little money. Although genealogy can become very expensive, one is not limited to vital records that one purchases or some clues pick up in an online database for which you have no idea of the source. There are many sources of information (and obviously not all are 100% correct). The LDS church microfilmed many public records that can be rented inexpensively. Public libraries may have vital records information on microfilm such as the Barbour Collection of CT Vital records, vital records from Vermont, Selected Rev. War pension files, many US census microfilms, etc. The point is not to get hung up on a vital record for information one already know to be true. If you do not have your birth certificate, that is ok unless you are joining a lineage society. If that is the case, one must procure the vital records necessary if they want to join the organization that requires them. If you have to use an incorrect vital record -- yes they are not all correct -- then you can explain the errors. Mistakes abound everywhere -- it is not always easy to be correct -- but in general primary source documents made at the time of the event are likely to be more correct than unsourced information one finds online. Margaret Scheffler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold" <[email protected]> > Some people don't have the money > resorces etc to go to archives and > get copies of Documents: > > All some people have is word of mouth. > which is true if truer than a document: > The words on a document came from > someone's mouth befor it was written in > a document: When a child is born, the > parent(s) tell a nurce what the child's name > is to be, she writes it down on a pad, it > is transcribed by someone else in the > hospital, the hospital sends it to the State, > Someone at the State transcribes it to > a birth Cert................ an people take > that over the word of the Parent. > > I can not document that I was horn; > how am I suppose to document someone > born over 200 years ago? My birth > Cert.......... has my first, middle and last > name spelled wrong. > > Harold Gosnell > (Herild Gasenell on birth cert.) > Which is right? my mother or the > documentation?

Written/official documents such as death certificates, marriage certificates are not always accurate. I cite my grandmother as an example. I knew her quite well and although I never addressed her by her given name I knew what it was. The records though show many variations of her given name. Her given name was Mary Rosa but I have found documents showing Mary Rose, Rosemary as well as the correct name. Enjoy your search for your ancestors. I deem it a fun thing to do and not arms and legs. I'm not going to court with any of my information.

> > From: "Deborah Dunn" <[email protected]> > Date: 2005/03/08 Tue AM 10:56:16 EST > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [TURNER] Roll Call > > Audrae: I apologize, you have questioned my postings before. Do you > remember, I asked for your help at one time and you never replied. I am not > a professional genealogist, just someone trying to find out about my Turner > line.....Just like many others. I find it surprising that some individuals > don't want to share what they have documented, that is why there is so much > miss information out there now. My own line is posted wrong in numerous > places and I have never posted it.....someone else has, therefore I cannot > correct the mistakes. All I have done is asked for help finding my Turners > on this TURNER list. I really thought that was the purpose. I am sorry if > I have misunderstood the purpose of this list , offended anyone with my > amatuer methods and for the time of the many Turner list members that I have > wasted. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 06:40 PM > Subject: Re: [TURNER] Roll Call > > > > I am also a William Turner/Sarah Denney Turner descendant, coming from > their > > son Nathan. A group of us have researched William for almost 20 years and > > have not ever seen documentation on his birth or death dates or locations. > Could > > you please share with us where you found the documentation on these pieces > of > > info? Also, is there a typo or did you really mean that he was born in > > Massachusetts? > > > > Thanks for your help in this. Look forward to hearing from you soon. > > > > Audrae Turner Mathis > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2005 1:20:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > [email protected] writes: > > My line: > > > > > > > ==== TURNER Mailing List ==== > Turner list website - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/t/turner.html > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > From one "amatuer" to another, keep on truckin' and ignore those who are purist know-it-alls. I sometimes have to bite my email's tongue to keep it from sounding off to these "people". Jimmy

One DOES NOT HAVE TO PAY to use the shared databases on Ancestry/WorldConnect. Go to www.rootsweb.com and scroll down to where you access World Connect. I don't know why people keep perpetuating the myth that the freely shared information is no longer free. One can easily remove their own database with the incorrect information and replace it with a new one. The BEST way to correct mistakes you may be unable to remove from other online sources is to post again with the correct information. That way, people searching will find both the correct and incorrect and can ponder the differences and write for clarification. If one posts to message boards, these are archived, and it only makes good sense to post only what they believe good information. Pure speculation might be left to private email, but we all make mistakes. That is why any of us should verify what we take from these online message boards and databases -- also books, and other material as well. I am a seasoned researcher and I find Ancestry very valuable -- both the "for pay" standard print resources and the large free WorldConnect/Ancestry databases. I cannot tell you the number of clues I have received from that large collective database. I also have made contact with people researching common lines. The point is to use any large shared database for clues, not the gospel truth. You may be surprised at the gems among the garbage. Margaret Scheffler ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> > About these untrue facts concerning family on the web. While I was a visitor on Ancestry.com (2 weeks) I observed that a lot of my e-mails asking for information on a person or family is now on Ancestry. In my early days of > research, I had a lot of incorrect material I was writing. Now, that incorrect > material is on Ancestry where people pay a lot of money to read my mistakes. > Also, my material was on a free website and now people have to pay to read it > on Ancestry. Although, they may have the right to take what they want from > the internet and place it on their paid to view website, I don't think they > should put genealogy that is incorrect and have people pay to read it. > Something is wrong here and there is no checks and balances to filter the material..... snipped...

Hi, I want to comment about birth certificates. I cannot speak for every nurse, but as a labor and delivery nurse who has delivered 1000's of babies, I can tell you what we have always done here in Texas. I am sure other hospitals throughout the USA do it this way, too. There is a worksheet asking for information which the NURSE does give to the new parents. They fill out the forms themselves. In many hospitals, a day or so later, a hospital representative from Medical Records comes and reviews the information with the parents to make sure everything on the form is correct. The form then goes to Medical Records where it is typed out and sent to the proper city/county office. At no time have I ever seen NURSES fill out the forms themselves. If a nurse DID fill it out, I would think that s/he would first ask the parents how they wanted to spell the names before writing them down. You would be surprised how many people don't even have a clue how the names they give their children are spelled! I do realize that the way things were done in hospitals many, many years ago were different than they have been in more recent times. I just had to speak up on behalf of my L&D/nursery compadres! :) Susan Looking for TURNERs in Centre County, Pennsylvania (direct descendent of John Turner, patriot of the American Revolution)

I believe the point is many areas of Ancestry are FREE......especially the family trees that you submit and message boards...the subscription only covers the databases. Susan A. Harnish Rockford Linear Actuation, Inc Phone:815-986-4407 Fax:815-986-4410 [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 3:39 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TURNER] The value of shared databases I am not talking about databases, I am referring to queries that were written on free sites and those queries are now at Ancestry.com. I am unable to correct mistakes and my name is not on it so that someone can take the advantage to contact me. Also, they have taken something from a free site, placed it on their paid to view site. That is what I think is wrong. Also, many of us cannot afford the fees to view Ancestry.com. I am intitled to an opinion based on experience whether everyone agrees with it or not. Enough said. Have a happy day! ==== TURNER Mailing List ==== Turner list website - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/t/turner.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

My line (Robert Perry [email protected] ) (4) Philip > (5) Talton > (6) Eliza Jane's 2nd husband John Dietz Perry > (7) Richard E. Perry. 1 ? Turner ...... 2 William Wyndham Turner .............. 3 John Turner ...................... 4 Phillip Turner b: 1762 in Raleigh, Wake Co., NC. d: 1852 in Fayette, Howard Co., MO. Age at death: 90 est. .......................... +Abigail Hickman b: 1768 d: Nov 1844 in Fayette, Howard Co., MO. Age at death: 76 est. .............................. 5 Talton Turner b: 02 Nov 1791 in Raleigh, Wake Co., NC. d: 14 Oct 1858 in near; Glasgow, Howard Co., MO. Age at death: 66 .................................. +Sallie Small Earickson b: 22 Apr 1802 in Jefferson Co., Kentucky, (near) Louisville d: 23 Aug 1878 in near; Glasgow, Howard Co., MO. Age at death: 76 ...................................... 6 Benjamin Turner ...................................... 6 Richard Earickson Turner ...................................... 6 Eliza Jane Turner b: 1822 in MO. d: 21 Mar 1902 in St. Louis, St. Louis Co., MO. Age at death: 80 est. .......................................... +Elijah Robertson Pullium ............................................... 7 Anne Cockrill Pullium b: 1843 ............................................... 7 Sarah Belina Pullium ................................................... +Joseph A. Wherry ...................................... *2nd Husband of Eliza Jane Turner: .......................................... +John Dietz Perry b: 15 May 1815 in Hampshire Co., VA. d: 24 Aug 1895 in St. Louis, St. Louis Co., MO. Age at death: 80 ............................................... 7 Jane P. Perry b: Aug 1855 in St. Louis, St. Louis Co., MO ................................................... +David Rowland Francis, Sr., Gov. b: 01 Oct 1850 in Richmond, KY. d: 15 Jan 1927 in St. Louis, St. Louis Co., MO. Age at death: 76 ............................................... 7 Lewis Perry b: 1857 in St. Louis, St. Louis Co., MO ............................................... 7 Richard Earickson Perry b: 02 Dec 1860 in St. Louis, St. Louis Co., MO. d: 1930 Age at death: 70 est. ................................................... +Elizabeth Rutledge Gibson b: 28 Oct 1862 d: May 1951 Age at death: 88 est. ............................................... 7 Laura Perry b: 1863 in St. Louis, St. Louis Co., MO. ...................................... 6 Henry Atkinson Turner b: Abt. 1825 ...................................... 6 Mary Ann Turner b: Abt. 1826 in Glasgow, Howard County, Missouri d: Abt. 1908 in Estill, Howard County, Missouri Age at death: 82 est. .......................................... +James Robert Estill b: 30 Jan 1819 in Madison Co., KY d: 11 Mar 1900 in Estill, Howard Co., MO. Age at death: 81 ............................................... 7 Wallace Estill b: 06 Apr 1849 in MO. d: 10 Oct 1924 in Estill, Howard Co., MO. Age at death: 75 ................................................... +Ettie Forbis ............................................... 7 Elleanor Estill ............................................... 7 William Rodes Estill b: 20 Mar 1860 in Estill, Howard Co., MO. ............................................... 7 Mary Clifton Estill ............................................... 7 Alice Estill ................................................... +Lewis C. Nelson ...................................... 6 Eleanor Turner b: Abt. 1828 .......................................... +Benjamin Whitehead Lewis b: 10 Jan 1812 in Buckingham Co., VA. d: 01 Feb 1866 Age at death: 54 ............................................... 7 Richard E. Lewis b: Abt. 1858 ............................................... 7 Rebecca E. Lewis ............................................... 7 Annie E. Lewis ............................................... 7 Benjamin J. Lewis ...................................... 6 Gustavus Turner b: Abt. 1829 ...................................... 6 William Turner b: Abt. 1834 ...................................... 6 Rebecca Susan Turner b: Abt. 1836 .......................................... +? Lewis ...................................... 6 John Hickman Turner b: 09 Jun 1837 in Howard Co., MO. .......................................... +Bettie Jackson ............................................... 7 Thomas J. Turner ............................................... 7 Henry A. Turner ............................................... 7 Lee Turner ............................................... 7 Lucile Turner ............................................... 7 Richard E. Turner ...................................... 6 Abigail Turner b: Abt. 1842 .............................. 5 Eleanor Turner b: in KY d: 1873 Age at death: ? .................................. +John B. Clark, Sr, Gen. b: 1802 in Madison Co., KY ...................................... 6 John Bullock Clark, Jr b: 1831 in Missouri d: 1903 Age at death: 72 est. ...................................... 6 Robert C. Clark b: 01 Jan 1846 in Howard Co., MO. .......................................... +Bettie Howard b: Abt. 1854 in Missouri ............................................... 7 Robert C. Clark ............................................... 7 Benjamin H. Clark ...................... 4 Thomas Turner b: 27 Aug 1734 in Virginia d: 09 Dec 1820 in Kentucky Age at death: 86 .............................. 5 Smithton Turner b: 10 Jan 1776 in North Carolina d: Abt. 1848 in Missouri Age at death: 72 est. ...................................... 6 JohBlessn Martin Turner b: 09 Feb 1806 in Kentucky d: Abt. 1850 in Missouri Age at death: 44 est. ............................................... 7 James Jackson Turner b: 19 Nov 1832 in Missouri d: 25 Jul 1914 in Oregon Age at death: 81 ...... 2 John Turner ...... 2 Thomas Turner --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web

My WILLIAM TURNER immigrant from Scotland (not proven) m. HANNAH WILLIAMS. Son of William/Hannah Turner, JOHN TURNER bn 1829 KY. d. Exira Audabon Co Iowa 1913. I am trying to find the immigrant, WILLIAM TURNER in KY. . Help. Verna ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 11:24 AM Subject: [TURNER] William Toliver Turner >I am searching for the parents of William Toliver Turner. > He was born in VA. He died in Fauquier Co. in about > March 1865. He married Martha Jane White in Warren Co. > They lived in Fauquier Co., next door to Mrs. Eliza Letitia > Steptoe (Clarkson) Marshall. Some of William's children, > including my great-grandmother, were born in Mrs. Marshall's > house. My research shows that Mrs. Marshall's grandmother > was Dorcas Turner who migrated to Fauq. Co. from > St. Charles Co., Maryland. So I believe that William > Toliver Turner's parents also migrated from St. Charles Co. Md. > > The middle name of William T. Turner is Toliver. I know that > Toliver belongs to one of Virginia families, not of Maryland families. > > Jean Boutcher > [email protected] > > > ==== TURNER Mailing List ==== > Turner list website - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/t/turner.html > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >

I am searching for the parents of William Toliver Turner. He was born in VA. He died in Fauquier Co. in about March 1865. He married Martha Jane White in Warren Co. They lived in Fauquier Co., next door to Mrs. Eliza Letitia Steptoe (Clarkson) Marshall. Some of William's children, including my great-grandmother, were born in Mrs. Marshall's house. My research shows that Mrs. Marshall's grandmother was Dorcas Turner who migrated to Fauq. Co. from St. Charles Co., Maryland. So I believe that William Toliver Turner's parents also migrated from St. Charles Co. Md. The middle name of William T. Turner is Toliver. I know that Toliver belongs to one of Virginia families, not of Maryland families. Jean Boutcher [email protected]

My brick wall is Isaac TURNER b May 1788 Paris, FR came to US c 1792 d 1867 Wayne Co., PA. The family name was de la TOURNEUR (var. sp.). The only information I have on him is he enlisted in the War/1812 in Mamaroneck, Westchester Co., NY. He then disappears until he 'arrives' in Wayne Co. in 1848 when he married Nancy KELL(E)Y. They had 8 children - married into the Depew and Bird families. In a newspaper interview with one of his daughters, she gave the information re her father's date and place of birth and when he came to US. I have no info at all on Isaac's parentage or siblings. Family lore says he 'came from the West' to PA and was married at least once before he married Nancy. I believe he had a son John who lived next door to Isaac/Nancy in the 1850 census in Wayne Co., PA. The name MILTON was given to several sons in those early years. The family was also prone to TWINS. Anyone missing a grandfather Isaac??? Diane * * * * * * ~ ~ ~ ~ Please check our Home Page ~ ~ ~ ~ * * * * * * http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/a/n/d/Sharon-D-Andreasen/

There are two counties in Maryland that you could be talking about. One is ST. Mary's County and the other is just plain Charles County, Maryland. Charles County is just across the Potomac from Virginia and a lot of the people migrated across the Potomac to Fauquier, Warren, and Rappahannock. My great great great grandmother Sophia Turner born about 1782 came from Maryland which she listed being born , in the 1860 Warren County census. I can not find if she was not orginally a Turner or married a Turner. Same with an Eliza Turner living with her in 1860. Eliza has two son Henry 19 and William 13. Eliza's other daughter Mildred married Thomas Fox and on her death certificate she listed her mother's maiden name as Howard. No record can be found of that either. Since my Turner's were from Warren county Virginia I wonder if there is some kind of connection. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 1:24 PM Subject: [TURNER] William Toliver Turner >I am searching for the parents of William Toliver Turner. > He was born in VA. He died in Fauquier Co. in about > March 1865. He married Martha Jane White in Warren Co. > They lived in Fauquier Co., next door to Mrs. Eliza Letitia > Steptoe (Clarkson) Marshall. Some of William's children, > including my great-grandmother, were born in Mrs. Marshall's > house. My research shows that Mrs. Marshall's grandmother > was Dorcas Turner who migrated to Fauq. Co. from > St. Charles Co., Maryland. So I believe that William > Toliver Turner's parents also migrated from St. Charles Co. Md. > > The middle name of William T. Turner is Toliver. I know that > Toliver belongs to one of Virginia families, not of Maryland families. > > Jean Boutcher > [email protected] > > > ==== TURNER Mailing List ==== > Turner list website - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/t/turner.html > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > >

Hi Jim, Wow, there actually is someone else on this list who isn't researching a Turner line from the south! We are descended from the MA line you refer to (and have lots of information on other siblings plus antecedents for the women): << 9) Robert TURNER, b. c.1611 ENG of Boston, MA; m. to Elizabeth FREESTONE. > > (1) Robert TURNER, b. 1611 Eng (of Boston, MA) d 1651; m. to Elizabeth Freestone (2) Habakkuk TURNER b 1647 d. 1685; m to Mary Gardner bp 10 July 1653 (m. [1] 30 Apr 1670 m. [2] John Marston 15 Sep 1868) (3) Robert TURNER b 25 Apr 1671; Wethersfield, Hartford Cty, CT, d. ~ 1745, Coventry, CT; m to Elizabeth Foote (4) Habakkuk TURNER b 1705, d 1792; m to Anne Edwards Davenport b 1705, d 1780 (5) John TURNER b ?1727? or ?1735?, CT; m to Mary Wright in Mansfield CT in 1763 (6) John TURNER b. 1766, CT d. 1833, NY; m to Mary Ellis b 1772, VT d. 1843, MI (m. 1793, VT) (7) Peter Helmer TURNER b 1813, NY d. 1885, IA; m to Lydia Anne Smith b. 1815, NY d.1858, WI (m. 1836, NY) (8) Frank Helmer TURNER b 1850, WI d. 1938, IA; m to Mary Ester Almy b. 1852, NY d. 1937, IA (m. 1875) (9) Elmer Almy TURNER b 2 July 1876 Sioux City, Woodbury Co., IA, d 28 January 1928, CA; m to Verna Florence Webster b 21 January 1875, Union Co., South Dakota, d 14 January 1963, CA Plus 3 more generations still living (b in 1910, 1941, & 1981). This is just a rough outline... we are still a bit disorganized from our move cross country. Would love to correspond and share other info. Blessings, Joanne Turner