Mark could the name be Chapman? My Puckett and Chapman family was from Abbeville, SC. Thanks, Margie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark A. Turner" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 9:48 PM Subject: [TURNER] John Turner and Champness "Champ" Turner > I am looking for any information on the following Turner line. My earliest > known ancestor was John Turner, (married to Anne ?). He wrote his will in > Halifax Co, VA, on December 13, 1771, and it was proved in court on May 17, > 1781. Security bond was by William Turner and John Irvine. > > Known children from a deed in Halifax Co. on May 9, 1786: > (My line) Champness "Champ" Turner--married to Elizabeth Wisdom, > daughter of Thomas Wisdom and Martha Lewis. > Thomas Turner > Tandy Turner > Francis Turner > Marah Turner > Elzabeth Turner > Isham Turner > > Champness "Champ" Turner moved to Laurens County, SC between 1786 and 1790. > He was there in the census of 1790 and 1800. In the census of 1810, > Champness was in Abbeville Co., SC. When his brother Thomas Turner died in > 1823 in Laurens Co., SC, Champness was listed as being in Greene Co., > Alabama. I presently do not have any information on any of Champness > Turner's children except my ancestor Lewis Turner, who married Ajesta > Kennedy in Clark Co., Alabama in 1817 and settled in Simpson Co., > Mississippi in 1821. I have participated in the Turner DNA project and > belong to Group 2-Goldenrod. > > Mark A. Turner > > > > ==== TURNER Mailing List ==== > Turner list website - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/t/turner.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

My TURNER line begiins with John TURNER born around 1653, probably in England and died about 1705 in Anne Arundel Co, MD. He was married to Margaret CORNWELL who died 1709 in Prince George's County MD. I descend through this son John and then John [2]'s son Solomon. Saoirse Please check out my family trees at http://tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=saoirse&rand=39897 It is a work in progress so come back often. LAST UPDATED 6 Jan. 2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.4 - Release Date: 03/07/2005

This is my brick wall: I know Esley was in Greenville District, SC 1830 thru 1840. He then moved to Cherokee County, GA. My cousin just had the DNA test, but alas, at the present time there are no matches from the Turner DNA project. Another piece of information is that on "18 Jan 1870, Esley was murdered by William C. Turner in Pickens County, GA". This was something passed down, but two weeks ago I found this notice in the "Black Book of Georgia, pg 312 verifying how Esley died. It doesn't state why William murdered Esley. Any help on this line will be appreciated. Is there anyone doing research on Sion Turner b. abt 1765 d. July 1848 in Greenville District, SC married to Mary Hart? They died within 3 days of each other and buried in the same grave. The year Sion died was the same year Esley's son Sion Esley was born. Sion was also in Greenville District in 1830-1840. Would like to know if the Sion line has had any DNA tests. Thanks! Turner, Easley b. 1818 (Pickens Co., SC) d. 18 Jan 1870 m. Freeman, Margaret b. 1829? d. ? Turner, Hellman Marion b. 1839 Ga d. ? m. Evaline Corbin Turner, Martha b. 1843 Ga m. Jim Smith Turner, Margaret Evaline b. 1846 Ga m. Jim Oliver Turner, Sion Easly b. 1848 Ga m. Mary Hall Turner, Bailey W. b. 12 Jul 1851 Ga d. 26 Nov 1924 Buried at Antioch Cemetery, DeKalb County, AL m. Julia Ann Melviney Corbin m. 25 Mar 1872 m. Leola Freeman(? Turner, Malissa Harriet b. 1854 Ga (Had a son Alonzo) never married Turner, Mary b. 1855 Ga Turner, Lemuel Bennett b. 1857 Ga m. Jessie Owens Turner, Madison b. 1860 Ga Turner, Rhonda/Rhody b. 1861 Ga m. John Hales Turner, Wadine (Waddey) b. 30 Nov 1862 m. Martha EcElroy Pickens County, Ga b. 5 Dec 1865

If the census taker came around and the family wasn't at home it was the neighbor who gave the info. Would your neighbor know all your families names and correct ages? Brenda -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.4 - Release Date: 3/7/2005

Richard Turner b 1825/26 TN no parents no siblings just fell out of the sky into Henderson Co. KY where he married Hannah Evaline Shelton 4 Feb 1854. PS My name on my birth certificate is correct but my birth announcement in the newspaper has my name as Donna Kay Stewart and that was in 1953 (my name is Brenda not Donna). As a DAR Registrar, we want as much correct information as you can find the more documentation and sources you can find on a person the better it is to document them. As my husband says Genealogy is a disease and it is contagious and fatal. As in all diseases it starts out small and grows from there that growing is where you learn about your documentation and citing your sources. This is no different than learning to do anything else it takes time and patience and we should all be showing some right now. I'm feeling pretty lost on my Turner family and really do believe he was from Mars! No none of us have green skin or pointy ears, my Turners look like normal people at least Uncle Harold did the last time I saw him, he sounded pretty normal a few weeks ago when I last talked to him. I am trying to convince my Turner male cousin to donate me his DNA for the test to see if we match anyone and are really from this planet we call home. Thanks Brenda Stewart-Reeder -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.4 - Release Date: 3/7/2005

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Bear in mind also that people as adults lied about their ages for whatever reason. My maternal grandmother was 2 years and 8 months older than my grandfather. She was embarrassed for people to know that she was that much older than her husband. She would admit to 8 months but not 2 years and 8 months. When she died, as his last act of devotion to the only woman he ever loved, my grandfather had her preferred date of birth--1887 rather than 1885--inscribed on her tombstone. One of my great-grandmothers was born 1871 according to her tombstone. She shouldn't have been on the 1870 census at all if we believe her tombstone, but she was not only on the 1870 census, she was 5 years old in 1870. Census records are not infallible for a variety of reasons. The census taker may have been very conscientious or may not have given a hoot. The census taker may have been a local schoolteacher picking up some extra money over the summer as a census worker, or the census taker may have been the town drunk. Sometimes a family wasn't at home when the census taker came and, instead of going back later, the census taker asked a neighbor. The neighbor, of course, didn't know the exact ages and guessed at it. Perhaps the neighbor omitted one of the children or got one of the children's names wrong. A good general rule is that the closer the creation of the record is to the time of the event, the more accurate it is likely to be. For instance, here in GA where births were not officially recorded until 1919, I would give more weight to a family Bible record that appears to have been recorded when the child was born than I would give to a census record indicating that the child is X years old. An 1870 census record showing that my gr-grandmother was 5 years old in 1870 carries more weight than a tombstone that says she was born in 1871. When sources give different ages for the same person, it is a judgement call as to which source is most likely to be accurate. --Lamar On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 19:26:48 -0600 "Margaret Davis" <[email protected]> writes: > My mother's family always said that my uncle was born December 24th > 1910. > After the census came on line I found him in the 1910 census and he > was 2 > years old. Now people are supposed to list their children and > themselves as > the age they would be when the census was taken right. If they took > it in > June and the census was effective as of April they listed the age as > what it > would be in April. You could not get my mother to realize that her > family > made a mistake. I told her, you would mistake a baby's age a couple > of > months old but how could you mistake a child 2 years old, but she > never > changed her mind. So from that "mistake" right there I was skeptical > of all > records, and tried to find a verification of each. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lamar Wadsworth" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 7:09 PM > Subject: Re: [TURNER] Re: Documetation > > > > Harold, > > Perhaps you do not exist. You could be only a figment of your own > > imagination. I'm reminded of a woman I knew who was probably near > if not > > past 100 when she died. She did not know her exact age or date of > birth. > > She once remarked, "All I know is that I have been around as long > as I > > can remember, and I can remember back a long time." > > --Lamar > > On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 18:26:44 -0600 "Harold" > <[email protected]> > > writes: > >> Documetation is WRONG a lot > >> times: > >> A lot of people don't have the money > >> to send off for copies of documents. > >> You would have to have documents > >> on each and everyone for it to work. > >> > >> A lot of times even if you had the money, > >> people don't know where to write for > >> documents; on top of that they don't > >> know the dates; and without dates' > >> you can't get most documents. > >> > >> If you send your money and they > >> don't find a document; because the > >> dates don't match, or the names are > >> spelled a little different; they keep your > >> money for looking. > >> > >> Harold > >> p.s. there is no documentation that > >> I was even born. > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== TURNER Mailing List ==== > >> Turner list website - > >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/t/turner.html > >> > >> ============================== > >> Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > >> New content added every business day. Learn more: > >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > ==== TURNER Mailing List ==== > > Turner list website - > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/t/turner.html > > > > ============================== > > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > > > ==== TURNER Mailing List ==== > Turner list website - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/t/turner.html > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > >

I think we all agree that there can be mistakes in all kinds of records. However, the fact that there can be errors in records does not relieve us from being as accurate as possible and citing sources for what dates we use in a database or report. When we know discrepancies between records exist, we can discuss these in the notes for the fact or general notes for the individual. Beginners to genealogy often forget to put down where information came from -- I did that when I started out with this hobby. However, I learned rather quickly about mistakes in people's memories as well as in documents and that even vital records may disagree. Thus, one needs to keep track of where one found dates, and places, etc. and when those inevitable discrepancies occur, one can make a "reasoned judgment" as to what is the most likely correct fact. As mentioned previously, records made closest to the time of the event "usually" turn out to be the more accurate. The census is helpful in many instances, but census records rely on memory years later and the information may be given by a family member or neighbor who only gives a reasonable guess as to when and where a person was born. This is a hobby with a learning curve and most of us probably wish looking back on our beginning work, wish we had been a little more careful. Now I wish someone would post on Jefferson and St. Lawrence Counties New York Turners. Most of you seem to be researching people from the South. Margaret Scheffler

> > From: "Barbara Legg" <[email protected]> > Date: 2005/03/08 Tue AM 03:47:39 EST > To: [email protected] > Subject: [TURNER] Henry and Lucinda Turner > > Henry...b...1805 > Lucinda Waddle...b...1811 > Need their parents and siblings. > They married about 1830 > They were in Georgia by 1834. > They had sixteen children....born and raised in GA. > We were told they were from GA...VA...SC...NC... > We have not been able to track back any further...so do not know where they were born... > Any help appreciated.. > Barbara TL > > > ==== TURNER Mailing List ==== > Turner list website - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/t/turner.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > Well, the following will probably confuse things even more. -1860 White County Ga., census Henry 59 S.C. Celia 54 S.C. Melinda 19 Ga. Henry 18 Ga. Rebecca 13 Ga. James 10 Ga. Josiah 8 Ga. -1870 White County, Ga. Henry 66 S.C. Silah 64 N.C. Berry 25 All children Ga. Hiram 22 James 21 Melinda 24 Rebecca 22 -1880 White County Henry 77 S.C. Va. Va. Cecelia 75 N.C. N.C. N.C. Henry B. 37 Ga. S.C. N.C. Rebecca 30 Ga. S.C. N.C. Cecelia Arthur 10 Ga. Ga. Ga. Granddaughter Benjamin Allison 16 Ga. Ga. Ga. Grandson This doesn't help with their parents or siblings. Just an exercise in census variations. And maybe new places to search. Jimmy

Don't always rely on census records. They can also be incorrect! Jim S. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.0 - Release Date: 3/8/2005

Dulceindee Turner was born Nov. 11, 1822. Baptized Oct. 18, 1823 in Louisiana: her name was Lucinda; her parents were listed as Jean (John) Turner and Annie(Nancy) Reolls(Rolls). The above infromation from the Catholic Discese records in Louisiana. () mine. Any information will be appreciated documented or not. Harold Gosnell

Harold, Perhaps you do not exist. You could be only a figment of your own imagination. I'm reminded of a woman I knew who was probably near if not past 100 when she died. She did not know her exact age or date of birth. She once remarked, "All I know is that I have been around as long as I can remember, and I can remember back a long time." --Lamar On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 18:26:44 -0600 "Harold" <[email protected]> writes: > Documetation is WRONG a lot > times: > A lot of people don't have the money > to send off for copies of documents. > You would have to have documents > on each and everyone for it to work. > > A lot of times even if you had the money, > people don't know where to write for > documents; on top of that they don't > know the dates; and without dates' > you can't get most documents. > > If you send your money and they > don't find a document; because the > dates don't match, or the names are > spelled a little different; they keep your > money for looking. > > Harold > p.s. there is no documentation that > I was even born. > > > > ==== TURNER Mailing List ==== > Turner list website - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/t/turner.html > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > >

> > From: [email protected] > Date: 2005/03/08 Tue PM 05:09:25 EST > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [TURNER] Roll Call > > In a message dated 3/8/2005 4:08:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > From one "amatuer" to another, keep on truckin' and ignore those who are > purist know-it-alls. I sometimes have to bite my email's tongue to keep it from > sounding off to these "people". > Jimmy > What started out as a simple request that undocumented or questionable data > be labeled as such when sharing it has now turned into name calling. Yes, you > can label me a "purist" but I have never claimed to "know it all". Since you > don't know me that puts your comment into the speculation category <g> I am > paid to teach what I know to those who want to learn how to become serious > researchers. All I wanted to do was share the theory of citation and > documentation. > > Those who wish to collect ancestors for fun and recreation only are more than > welcome to do so. If it makes them happy then I would never try to stop them > or look down upon them. > > There are those of us who fall into the serious researching genealogist > category and we do hold a certain standard for data. It can be an expensive and > time consuming adventure and we find as much satisfaction from it as you do. > > Now lets end what I now regret having started and get on with the roll call. > > Audrae Turner Mathis > > > ==== TURNER Mailing List ==== > Turner list website - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/t/turner.html > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > You are right - I don't know you and I apologize to one and all for my off the wall, spur of the moment, and uncalled for comment. It was definently inappropriate and only added fuel to this mess which should rightly have been put to rest long ago - permanently. Jimmy

My mother's family always said that my uncle was born December 24th 1910. After the census came on line I found him in the 1910 census and he was 2 years old. Now people are supposed to list their children and themselves as the age they would be when the census was taken right. If they took it in June and the census was effective as of April they listed the age as what it would be in April. You could not get my mother to realize that her family made a mistake. I told her, you would mistake a baby's age a couple of months old but how could you mistake a child 2 years old, but she never changed her mind. So from that "mistake" right there I was skeptical of all records, and tried to find a verification of each. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lamar Wadsworth" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [TURNER] Re: Documetation > Harold, > Perhaps you do not exist. You could be only a figment of your own > imagination. I'm reminded of a woman I knew who was probably near if not > past 100 when she died. She did not know her exact age or date of birth. > She once remarked, "All I know is that I have been around as long as I > can remember, and I can remember back a long time." > --Lamar > On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 18:26:44 -0600 "Harold" <[email protected]> > writes: >> Documetation is WRONG a lot >> times: >> A lot of people don't have the money >> to send off for copies of documents. >> You would have to have documents >> on each and everyone for it to work. >> >> A lot of times even if you had the money, >> people don't know where to write for >> documents; on top of that they don't >> know the dates; and without dates' >> you can't get most documents. >> >> If you send your money and they >> don't find a document; because the >> dates don't match, or the names are >> spelled a little different; they keep your >> money for looking. >> >> Harold >> p.s. there is no documentation that >> I was even born. >> >> >> >> ==== TURNER Mailing List ==== >> Turner list website - >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/t/turner.html >> >> ============================== >> Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >> New content added every business day. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >> >> >> > > > ==== TURNER Mailing List ==== > Turner list website - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/t/turner.html > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > >

Yes, I realize that. But most midwives, especially in the past, were not nurses. Even today we have a large number of lay midwives in the US. Most midwives in the past did not have formal medical and/or nursing training and many were not very literate. Add that possible level of illiteracy to parents who may not known how to spell well either and you have what can lead to confusion with name spellings. Another thing I have learned in my research is that here and in Europe names were not "standardized" (ie., the spelling of names) until fairly recent times. In an article covering my great grandmother's obit, her maiden name was spelled three different ways. In a grandfather's death certificate, his name was spelling two different ways, as it was throughout his life. Even he spelled it two different ways--I guess depending on the mood he was in or something like that. Sometimes I got the feeling in my research that the spelling of the name was not as important as being given a name in general. JMHO.... Susan At 06:39 PM 3/8/2005 -0600, you wrote: >It may work that way in modern >hospital's; but 100, 200 years ago >it didn't. > >A lot of babies were delived by >midwives evern 60, 70 yeas ago, >I was delivered by my mothers >foster mother, and they still got >my name all wrong. > >Harold > > >==== TURNER Mailing List ==== >Turner list website - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/t/turner.html > >============================== >New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors >at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: >http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429

oops great grandma was the midwife! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shelly Platz" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [TURNER] DOCUMENTATION > My grandmother was a midwife and delivered my Gramma's kids. She put the > first names that SHE wanted instead of what gramma wanted. When looking for > the birth certificates most of the boys had the wrong names on it. > > Someone tried to tell me that my uncle didn't know who his grandparents > were! Can you imagine! He was there and knew them he should know. The > documentation on their names was wrong. Nothing is for sure. > > Census records are often wrong. The 1930 census is way off on my > grandparents.

It may work that way in modern hospital's; but 100, 200 years ago it didn't. A lot of babies were delived by midwives evern 60, 70 yeas ago, I was delivered by my mothers foster mother, and they still got my name all wrong. Harold

Hi Susan, << Looking for TURNERs in Centre County, Pennsylvania (direct descendent of John Turner, patriot of the American Revolution) >> Was your John Turner from Pennsylvania when he participated in the American Revolution? When & where was he born? Blessings, Joanne Turner

Joann, Yes, he was. He was born May 6, 1741 and died December 16, 1822. He lived in Boggs Township, Centre County, PA. for most of his life. He died in Milesburg, Centre County, PA. He was married to Ann Hanna. Susan At 06:35 PM 3/8/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Susan, ><< Looking for TURNERs in Centre County, Pennsylvania (direct descendent of >John Turner, patriot of the American Revolution) >> > > Was your John Turner from Pennsylvania when he participated in the >American Revolution? When & where was he born? > >Blessings, > Joanne Turner > > >==== TURNER Mailing List ==== >Turner list website - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/t/turner.html > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Documetation is WRONG a lot times: A lot of people don't have the money to send off for copies of documents. You would have to have documents on each and everyone for it to work. A lot of times even if you had the money, people don't know where to write for documents; on top of that they don't know the dates; and without dates' you can't get most documents. If you send your money and they don't find a document; because the dates don't match, or the names are spelled a little different; they keep your money for looking. Harold p.s. there is no documentation that I was even born.