Hello. I am searching for any other information on James B. Tuner than what I have listed below. This is my husband's line. Thanks in advance. Carrol Mick [email protected] James B. Tuner b. 1823 TN d. bef 1900 in Troy Twp, Monroe Co., IA married: Mary J. Grimes on 25 Oct 1864 in Monroe Co., IA (mary b.30 April 1840 IN d. 27 Nov 1896, Troy Twp, Monroe Co., IA) Children: Daniel Gilbert "Gib" Turner b. Jul 1855 IA John W. Turner b. 1849 IA Samuel Turner b. 1853 IA Sarah Turner b. 1858 IA William Turner b. 1866 IA George Turner b. 1868 IA Ida M. Turner b. 1879 IA Daniel Gilbert married Sarah Jane Bell in 1882 she was born Feb 1861 IA her parents were Robert P Bell and Mary ? There children: Mary Ethel Turner b. 05 Oct 1882 Albia, Monroe Co., IA d. 02 Dec 1971 Knoxville, Marion Co., IA bur: Oakview Cemetery Albia, Monroe Co., IA she married Ralph Barnhill 12 Dec 1900 Albia, Monroe Co., IA Their Children: Ernest Erie Barnhill Sr. 1902-1974 Roy Turner Banrhill 1906-1956 Mildred Alberta Barnhill 1909- ? Vera May Barnhill 1911-1999 Mary Jane Barnhill 1918- still living Max Ralph Barnhill 1915-1917 Glenn Daniel Barnhill 1922-1979 Mary Jane is my husband's grandmother. Thanks, Carrol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan H. Arthur" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [TURNER] Re:TURNERS IN VIRGINIA > Hi, > > I got the William Rosky book through inter library loan. Good luck. > > Joan > > > > ==== TURNER Mailing List ==== > Turner list website - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/t/turner.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/05 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/05

To Fellow Turner Researchers; I find this rather complicated. I see many turners, yet am lost in connections. Can people on this site most something about where their turners are from and a simple date to help other researchers and myself to connect better within this group. Something simple like this would be a good start. Maine [Turner] 1850 Thanks- Paul Cote, Jr Lewiston, Maine 04240

Hi Turners, In response to Paul's request, my Turners and descendants moved around quite a bit. Here is their "state" path of migration: Massachusetts [(Humphrey) Turner] 1600s > Maine [Turner...Bearse] abt. 1810> New Hampshire [Cole] abt. 1841> New York [Sherwood] abt. 1900> New Jersey [Schulz] abt. 1960. Does this help any? Celia Schulz ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 4:06 PM Subject: [TURNER] Turner Statecall? > To Fellow Turner Researchers; > > I find this rather complicated. I see many turners, yet am lost in > connections. Can people on this site most something about where their > turners are from > and a simple date to help other researchers and myself to connect better > within > this group. Something simple like this would be a good start. > > Maine [Turner] 1850 > > > Thanks- > Paul Cote, Jr > Lewiston, Maine 04240 > > > > > ==== TURNER Mailing List ==== > Turner list website - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/t/turner.html > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

Hi, I got the William Rosky book through inter library loan. Good luck. Joan

Mary-- Where in SC? Mine came out of Robeson Co. NC and Marlboro Co. SC. --Lamar On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 10:29:14 EDT [email protected] writes: > I agree that a state and year call is a good idea. Here is mine. > > Barney S Turner > 1836 SC > > thanks, > Mary > > > ==== TURNER Mailing List ==== > Turner list website - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/t/turner.html > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your > ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. > Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599 &targetid=5429 > > >

Hi I know i am late in responding to your msg on the Tunrers, could you please tell me where to find the book by William Roskey. I am trying to find a link to William Everette Turner in Sampson County North Carolina. William Everette b 2-10-1838 d 7-22-1908. Married Louisa Honeycutt. They had a daughter Betty, she married Ben Crumpler, Wilmington, NC. They had daughters Hazel, Betty Louise and a son Dalton. They moved to New York, But thats all i can find. Thank you for your help Ann Harris, Stedman, NC.. I need to put this on the Turner Msg Line right thank you

Excuse me! You're restricting what we can talk about where it concerns the Turners? Why would we only want to talk about DNA to people who have the DNA? I feel that if it comes up on the regular Turner list, it should be discussed so that we can encourage others to participate.

Hey Gail, I just responded to your email about the DNA testing that I mentioned to you on the uncle that said he would do it. Well while waiting and thinking how I can come up with the money for the 25 marker testing I lost that uncle to a sudden illness that the doctors don't even know what kind of infection he had because he was so suddenly ill that it was too dangerous to do surgery. Thank goodness I have one uncle left however has been battling cancer for about a year. Like I mentioned to you I don't know if cancer will have an effect on the DNA testing. So I can related about delaying..... Life can be very short and if we want to know our roots lets find some way to come up with the money to do a 25 marker testing...Gail knows how much I can already pay. The only thing left to do is to ask my uncle if he would consider doing one for me. God Bless Pam

We now have a TURNER-DNA list for conversation about DNA testing - please remember to use it, rather than this general TURNER genealogy email list, if you want to talk about DNA issues. http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/t/turner.html#TURNER-DNA Thank you! Carol

Do you or your dad have a brother? If so, you still can do the DNA testing. David Holland --- Original message: > > From: "Joyce Watts" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: TURNER-D Digest V05 #60 > > I'd just like to send a very brief note to anyone > who is thinking about > the DNA project to do it today! My dad and I had > plans to have his DNA > tested when he and mother moved in next door to me > so I could help him take > care of my ill mother. They moved in on July 1st > and on July 4th we took > dad to the hospital. He never returned. > His dad was an orphan and we were both so excited > to get started soon on > the DNA project. Now, we may never know. I just > hope that someday DNA > tests will provide answers for the paternity line of > a daughter. > So, please don't wait. If it is possible, do it > today or it may be too > late. > Joyce Turner Watts > Forever searching for Great Grandfather, Frank A. > Turner of Illinois and > Western Kentucky > __________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. http://www.advision.webevents.yahoo.com/emoticontest

I'd just like to send a very brief note to anyone who is thinking about the DNA project to do it today! My dad and I had plans to have his DNA tested when he and mother moved in next door to me so I could help him take care of my ill mother. They moved in on July 1st and on July 4th we took dad to the hospital. He never returned. His dad was an orphan and we were both so excited to get started soon on the DNA project. Now, we may never know. I just hope that someday DNA tests will provide answers for the paternity line of a daughter. So, please don't wait. If it is possible, do it today or it may be too late. Joyce Turner Watts Forever searching for Great Grandfather, Frank A. Turner of Illinois and Western Kentucky VCI WebMail http://www.vci.net

Gail, I just sent the quote to Megan. Phil Turner "Gail R. Blancett" <[email protected]> wrote: Phil, I hope you might contribute the quote to Megan's survey at her website http://www.genetealogy.com/ Some good points. However, more often than not, people "believe" they know their lines based on some family tradition of being related to some prominent family that has no basis in reality. Perhaps a book was located by a prior family researcher that mentioned a Turner with a common name and no documentation and they decided that was their line. I have two of our Spartanburg County, SC Turner lines that earlier researchers claimed were descended from George Turner, listed as a child of Thomas Turner who came from Scituate, MA to VA and NC based on the very skeletal outline in Roskey's book on the Humphrey Turner line. The man who was the source of that original claim--a now deceased lawyer--wrote out a handwritten descendancy which was later widely circulated and was put in a library in Mississippi where it was accessed and then continued to be circulated. Those of us who had researched in records knew that was virtually impossible. But, we continued to fight the battle with those who continued to post that to message boards. We finally got all the Turner lines in Spartanburg documented in the DNA project and in addition got someone from the Humphrey Turner line from Scituate, MA and the DNA has proved conclusively that neither line which believed they were descended from that George of the Humphrey Turner line in Roskey can be. What was even more of a problem was both George Turner of Spartanburg Co. and Henry Turner Sr. of Spartanburg Co. both had sons named Samuel born about the same time. The man who wrote out that descendancy not only attributed his line to the wrong George Turner but he even got the wrong Samuel. How had he done that? He took the George in Roskey and the Samuel listed in Landrum's "History of Spartanburg" and stuck them together. His line turned out to be from Henry Turner Sr. (my line of Turners) and not George Turner of Spartanburg. This also was confirmed by the DNA testing. We were fortunate that the lines in Spartanburg were clearly unrelated because all three had distinctly different haplotypes. Thus, now if anyone does "the checkables" and gets their line of Turners back to Spartanburg Co. and still can't tell which line they belong to, if they do the DNA test, they will know to which one of the three distinct lines in the county they are going to belong in. That is the kind of database that eventually we hope the DNA project will provide. I still believe that actual research into what your quote calls "the checkables" is extremely important. But at what point do you feel you have exhausted those sources--one year, five years, ten years? Most of us who have done genealogy research for many years realize that you find the majority of your information readily if you know what sources to search. Now with the availability of many basic resources on the internet, it doesn't take long to run the cursory checks. The basic principle is always "start with what you know and work backwards." Gail ==== TURNER Mailing List ==== Turner list website - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/t/turner.html ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun.

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Phil, I hope you might contribute the quote to Megan's survey at her website http://www.genetealogy.com/ Some good points. However, more often than not, people "believe" they know their lines based on some family tradition of being related to some prominent family that has no basis in reality. Perhaps a book was located by a prior family researcher that mentioned a Turner with a common name and no documentation and they decided that was their line. I have two of our Spartanburg County, SC Turner lines that earlier researchers claimed were descended from George Turner, listed as a child of Thomas Turner who came from Scituate, MA to VA and NC based on the very skeletal outline in Roskey's book on the Humphrey Turner line. The man who was the source of that original claim--a now deceased lawyer--wrote out a handwritten descendancy which was later widely circulated and was put in a library in Mississippi where it was accessed and then continued to be circulated. Those of us who had researched in records knew that was virtually impossible. But, we continued to fight the battle with those who continued to post that to message boards. We finally got all the Turner lines in Spartanburg documented in the DNA project and in addition got someone from the Humphrey Turner line from Scituate, MA and the DNA has proved conclusively that neither line which believed they were descended from that George of the Humphrey Turner line in Roskey can be. What was even more of a problem was both George Turner of Spartanburg Co. and Henry Turner Sr. of Spartanburg Co. both had sons named Samuel born about the same time. The man who wrote out that descendancy not only attributed his line to the wrong George Turner but he even got the wrong Samuel. How had he done that? He took the George in Roskey and the Samuel listed in Landrum's "History of Spartanburg" and stuck them together. His line turned out to be from Henry Turner Sr. (my line of Turners) and not George Turner of Spartanburg. This also was confirmed by the DNA testing. We were fortunate that the lines in Spartanburg were clearly unrelated because all three had distinctly different haplotypes. Thus, now if anyone does "the checkables" and gets their line of Turners back to Spartanburg Co. and still can't tell which line they belong to, if they do the DNA test, they will know to which one of the three distinct lines in the county they are going to belong in. That is the kind of database that eventually we hope the DNA project will provide. I still believe that actual research into what your quote calls "the checkables" is extremely important. But at what point do you feel you have exhausted those sources--one year, five years, ten years? Most of us who have done genealogy research for many years realize that you find the majority of your information readily if you know what sources to search. Now with the availability of many basic resources on the internet, it doesn't take long to run the cursory checks. The basic principle is always "start with what you know and work backwards." Gail

I will be away from my computer for a couple of weeks. Be in touch later. Thanks. Have a great day Marion

Gail, The following is a quote from "Imperial Hubris", "When entering on duty as an intelligence officer two decades and more ago, one of my first supervisors often said the key to framing and solving intelligence problems was to first 'do the checkables.' The checkables were those parts of the problem that were knowable, the things on which there were classified archival records, pertinent and available human experience, current human assets to consult, or or even the results of media and academic research. ... This supervisor's recipe was to exploit to exhaustion the 'checkables' to learn the problem's history and context, determine precisely what we already knew, establish the range of things we knew little or nothing about, and thereby, identify the information we to acquire before acting to resolve the problem." "Imperial hubris : why the West is losing the war on terror / Anonymous. page 21. I think that this recipe applies to genealogy as well, in fact to any line of scholarly research. We "do the checkables" that is, the easy stuff before expending time and money finding information that is not readily available. Each researcher must identify and prioritize the "checkables" according to his or her individual family. If you have a well documented family history already available, you may not need DNA testing. On the other hand, if the family history is "spotty" and you are researching a common surname, such as Turner, DNA testing becomes more important. Phil Turner "Gail R. Blancett" <[email protected]> wrote: Megan Smolenyak, co-author with Ann Turner, of the book "Trace Your Roots with DNA" has been conducting a survey on her website on when is an appropriate time to participate in a DNA project. Should you exhaust every means of regular research first and then as a last resort do DNA testing or should you participate in a DNA project early on in your research? As someone who has spent almost every waking hour of the last 20 years doing genealogy research--going to libraries, archives, spending weeks in the Salt Lake City genealogy library poring over microfilm, traveling to courthouses half-way across the country, traipsing through cemeteries, etc.--I wouldn't want to have missed a minute of that fun. However, in the process, I have collected reams of paper, notebook upon notebook of scratchy notes, with much of it being on people that have no connection to my Turners. I always felt, well it just might connect later on so I better write it down just in case. While all my records and knowledge of Turners allows me to help many people, everyone doesn't have the time to spend on it or the total addiction to this search as I do and they want to find their line and move on. In the early days of DNA testing, the guidance was that you should work until you have exhausted all regular sources and hit a brick wall. More and more however, as the value of the testing is becoming widely seen, the thinking is shifting to the view that says, "Do the easy stuff first (such as locating your direct line in all census), then check to see if a DNA test could guide your research, before you spend lots of money on death certificates or lots of hours scrolling through microfilm records." Those of us who did it "the old fashioned way" have a tendency to feel the newbies should have to work as hard as we did. Maybe not. One quote from the results of 1,237 people who have participated in Megan's survey: "Nine of the thirty-three respondents who have been doing genelaogy for less than a year have already taken a test or otherwise participated. This is an admittedly small sample, but it seems to suppport my belief that in the future, taking a DNA test will be the first step for many genealogical "newbies." I know of one Turner who suspects his line is to one of two different ones in a county in Upstate, SC. I have encouraged him to do the test because I know that both of these lines have already been tested in the project. His answer has been that he wants to search records for two more years, then he will consider the DNA test. Believe me, I've been through those records in that county and I do not believe he is going to find the proof by regular research. If he did the DNA test, he would know immediately if he matched either of those two other lines. I don't know about him, but I'd be willing to wager that two year's of his time is worth a whole lot more than the cost of the Y-DNA25 marker test! In addition, you can't make an overnight trip to any courthouse or archive now for the cost of a test. So, if you are dragging your feet on participating in the DNA project, I'd encourage you to give it a second thought. Group administrators don't push tests because we get anything monetarily from our participation. We believe that the tests will prove helpful to your genealogy quest. Even negative results are postive because you can rule out a lot of lines to which you can not be related. We definitely encourage participants to do the Y-DNA25 or Y-DNA37 marker test for best results. The Turner DNA Project's website has a join link at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~turnerdna/ Gail R. Blancett Administrator Turner DNA Project, FTDNA ==== TURNER Mailing List ==== Turner list website - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/t/turner.html ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Gail, I agree that DNA testing would be a good idea very early in your research. There are many Turners I just KNEW had to be connected to mine to find out after DNA testing they have absolutlely no connections at all to my Turners. Since the DNA testing was done I no longer waste my time trying to find connections to unrelated families. It has been a HUGE help in my research. If more would participate, we could narrow down possibilities even further. "Gail R. Blancett" <[email protected]> wrote: Megan Smolenyak, co-author with Ann Turner, of the book "Trace Your Roots with DNA" has been conducting a survey on her website on when is an appropriate time to participate in a DNA project. Should you exhaust every means of regular research first and then as a last resort do DNA testing or should you participate in a DNA project early on in your research? As someone who has spent almost every waking hour of the last 20 years doing genealogy research--going to libraries, archives, spending weeks in the Salt Lake City genealogy library poring over microfilm, traveling to courthouses half-way across the country, traipsing through cemeteries, etc.--I wouldn't want to have missed a minute of that fun. However, in the process, I have collected reams of paper, notebook upon notebook of scratchy notes, with much of it being on people that have no connection to my Turners. I always felt, well it just might connect later on so I better write it down just in case. While all my records and knowledge of Turners allows me to help many people, everyone doesn't have the time to spend on it or the total addiction to this search as I do and they want to find their line and move on. In the early days of DNA testing, the guidance was that you should work until you have exhausted all regular sources and hit a brick wall. More and more however, as the value of the testing is becoming widely seen, the thinking is shifting to the view that says, "Do the easy stuff first (such as locating your direct line in all census), then check to see if a DNA test could guide your research, before you spend lots of money on death certificates or lots of hours scrolling through microfilm records." Those of us who did it "the old fashioned way" have a tendency to feel the newbies should have to work as hard as we did. Maybe not. One quote from the results of 1,237 people who have participated in Megan's survey: "Nine of the thirty-three respondents who have been doing genelaogy for less than a year have already taken a test or otherwise participated. This is an admittedly small sample, but it seems to suppport my belief that in the future, taking a DNA test will be the first step for many genealogical "newbies." I know of one Turner who suspects his line is to one of two different ones in a county in Upstate, SC. I have encouraged him to do the test because I know that both of these lines have already been tested in the project. His answer has been that he wants to search records for two more years, then he will consider the DNA test. Believe me, I've been through those records in that county and I do not believe he is going to find the proof by regular research. If he did the DNA test, he would know immediately if he matched either of those two other lines. I don't know about him, but I'd be willing to wager that two year's of his time is worth a whole lot more than the cost of the Y-DNA25 marker test! In addition, you can't make an overnight trip to any courthouse or archive now for the cost of a test. So, if you are dragging your feet on participating in the DNA project, I'd encourage you to give it a second thought. Group administrators don't push tests because we get anything monetarily from our participation. We believe that the tests will prove helpful to your genealogy quest. Even negative results are postive because you can rule out a lot of lines to which you can not be related. We definitely encourage participants to do the Y-DNA25 or Y-DNA37 marker test for best results. The Turner DNA Project's website has a join link at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~turnerdna/ Gail R. Blancett Administrator Turner DNA Project, FTDNA ==== TURNER Mailing List ==== Turner list website - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/t/turner.html ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx Lisa Chatelain __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hello Gail ;-) I am waiting for the answer to Turner DNA, Nancy Grogan is the one who helped organize me. The male's in my immediate family are nil, I found a nephew that opted to donate the needed male swab. Your letter does make it a little clearer, as I am one who has researched for many many years (I am 80 as of February this year). I am now trying to place my Jubal Turner (wife Milly Ross)with the correct father, either Admire Turner (s/o James) or a Meshach Turner. I still believe his father was Admire, but received a letter about a year ago stating it made more sense if it was Meshach Turner? I don't know that dna is going to help, as I still would be related back to Shadrach Turner. (William's son George Wilson Turner). I am hoping for something alittle more precise? Thanks for the well written letter. Evelyn (Turner) Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail R. Blancett" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 3:38 PM Subject: [TURNER] When to participate in a DNA Surname Project > ==== TURNER Mailing List ==== > Turner list website - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/t/turner.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Megan Smolenyak, co-author with Ann Turner, of the book "Trace Your Roots with DNA" has been conducting a survey on her website on when is an appropriate time to participate in a DNA project. Should you exhaust every means of regular research first and then as a last resort do DNA testing or should you participate in a DNA project early on in your research? As someone who has spent almost every waking hour of the last 20 years doing genealogy research--going to libraries, archives, spending weeks in the Salt Lake City genealogy library poring over microfilm, traveling to courthouses half-way across the country, traipsing through cemeteries, etc.--I wouldn't want to have missed a minute of that fun. However, in the process, I have collected reams of paper, notebook upon notebook of scratchy notes, with much of it being on people that have no connection to my Turners. I always felt, well it just might connect later on so I better write it down just in case. While all my records and knowledge of Turners allows me to help many people, everyone doesn't have the time to spend on it or the total addiction to this search as I do and they want to find their line and move on. In the early days of DNA testing, the guidance was that you should work until you have exhausted all regular sources and hit a brick wall. More and more however, as the value of the testing is becoming widely seen, the thinking is shifting to the view that says, "Do the easy stuff first (such as locating your direct line in all census), then check to see if a DNA test could guide your research, before you spend lots of money on death certificates or lots of hours scrolling through microfilm records." Those of us who did it "the old fashioned way" have a tendency to feel the newbies should have to work as hard as we did. Maybe not. One quote from the results of 1,237 people who have participated in Megan's survey: "Nine of the thirty-three respondents who have been doing genelaogy for less than a year have already taken a test or otherwise participated. This is an admittedly small sample, but it seems to suppport my belief that in the future, taking a DNA test will be the first step for many genealogical "newbies." I know of one Turner who suspects his line is to one of two different ones in a county in Upstate, SC. I have encouraged him to do the test because I know that both of these lines have already been tested in the project. His answer has been that he wants to search records for two more years, then he will consider the DNA test. Believe me, I've been through those records in that county and I do not believe he is going to find the proof by regular research. If he did the DNA test, he would know immediately if he matched either of those two other lines. I don't know about him, but I'd be willing to wager that two year's of his time is worth a whole lot more than the cost of the Y-DNA25 marker test! In addition, you can't make an overnight trip to any courthouse or archive now for the cost of a test. So, if you are dragging your feet on participating in the DNA project, I'd encourage you to give it a second thought. Group administrators don't push tests because we get anything monetarily from our participation. We believe that the tests will prove helpful to your genealogy quest. Even negative results are postive because you can rule out a lot of lines to which you can not be related. We definitely encourage participants to do the Y-DNA25 or Y-DNA37 marker test for best results. The Turner DNA Project's website has a join link at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~turnerdna/ Gail R. Blancett Administrator Turner DNA Project, FTDNA

I know the Texas Rangers were active in the 1830's for sure. There were Texas Rangers, Texas Militia and Texas Minutemen. Also, on a website somewhere I found lists of soldiers in Texas serving as USA Army from the United States even before Texas was a state. Here's the site: http://www.mindspring.com/~dmaxey/ Philip Turner <[email protected]> wrote: Harold, I don't know anything about your William Turner, but I think that the Texas Rangers were formed during the period when Texas was an independent country; between 1836 and 1846. That would make your ancestor a tad young to join right after they were formed. Phil Turner Harold wrote: I have a William Turner born about 1839 in TN., who I am told went from MS., to Texas and joined the Texas Rangers right after they were formed. William Turner was the s.o. John Turner b. about 1795 in SC., County unknown. This John Turner was supposly in the war of 1812 and the battle of New Orleans. Any information will be appreciated. Harold Gosnell p.s. I have no known living Turners. ==== TURNER Mailing List ==== Turner list website - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/t/turner.html ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! ==== TURNER Mailing List ==== Turner list website - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/t/turner.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx Lisa Chatelain --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!