In a message dated 2/20/02 4:07:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > And if the first born son named for fathers father had died before 1850 > census then it would look like the second son is the first. It is very > unreliable but fun to ty and figure out. Pat > Pat, that seems to run true for most families I think ... I have run into lots of my g grandfathers, gg grandfathers using thier middle names as the name the go by... it can be confessing but it is just a great guessing game. :))))