To those interested in William Tuckers of Georgia in the early 1800's. Please don't quit reading this too soon. After the listing of facts, I will try to relate all of this information at the bottom of this e-mail to the extent that I can. I am hopeful that some reader will have some solid proof of the correct identity of this 1820 Jasper Co., GA William Tucker and/or may have positively identified the 1830 Jasper William Tucker, the 1840 Jasper William Tucker, or the 1830 or 1840 Newton William Tucker. If so, please respond. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- On page 182-183 of the 1820 Jasper County, GA census, there is listed a William Tucker. He was apparently older than 26 and less than 45 years old, and his spouse was apparently also older than 26 and less than 45 years old as these were the oldest 2 persons in the household. In the household were the following persons, presumably their children: 3 boys less than 10 years old 2 boys at least 10 years old but less than 16 years old 3 girls less than 10 years old 3 girls at least 10 years old but less than 26 years old This census listed 4 persons engaged in agriculture. There were no slaves listed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- Four lines below William Tucker's listing on the same page was one Samuel Thompson. Samuel Thompson was apparently of age 26 but less than 45 years old. His spouse was also apparently of age 26, but less than 45 years old. In the Thompson household were: One boy under 10 years old 1 boy at least 10 but under 16 years old 4 girls less than 10 years old 1 girl at least 10 years old but less than 16 years old There were 3 persons engaged in agriculture. There was one female slave less than 14 years of age in the household. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- On the next two lines below the listing of Samuel Thompson were the names John Dingler and Henry Dingler. John Dingler was in the 26 less than 45 age bracket, as was his presumed spouse. They apparently had 2 boys of age 10 but less than 16 years old and no girls. One person in agriculture, no slaves. Henry Dingler was in the 16 less than 26 age bracket as was his presumed spouse. They apparently had 1 boy under 10 and and one girl under 10. One person in agriculture, no slaves. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- Another interesting name appears just 7 lines below the Dingler names, that of Obediah Belcher (or perhaps Obadiah Belcher). As per the 1820 census, this Obediah Belcher was over 45 years old. His spouse was apparently older than 16 and less than 45 years old. They had 3 boys under and one boy of 10 but less than 16 years old. Also in the household were 1 girl under 10, 2 girls of at least 10 but less than 16, and 2 girls of 16 but less than 26. There were 2 male slaves and 11 female slaves listed. The census says that 10 (could be 11) were engaged in agriculture. Some of the slaves were young, so this number engaged in agriculture probably included 3 or four of the family and 6 or 7 of the slaves. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- Now for the main story. My gg grandfather, Daniel Peterson Tucker was born on October 22, 1810 at an unproved location, probably in Jasper County, GA. His father was presumably named William Tucker, perhaps William J. Tucker. Daniel Peterson Tucker married Wilmoth Lumsden Thompson, daughter of Samuel Thompson and Mary "Polly" Lumsden. There is quite a bit of information available about the Lumsden family ("Lumsden and Related Lines........," Virginia K. Preston, 1994, Jones & Grissom Printers, Macon, GA). There are also some Lumsden internet sites which have much of the same data. Anyway, the children of Samuel Thompson and Mary "Polly" Lumsden are well documented, and the birth dates are available. I do not have a documented birth date for Samuel Thompson, but a couple of sources suggest it was about 1780. This would make him 39-40 years old in 1820. Thanks to the Lumsden researchers, his his wife Mary "Polly" is known to have been 33 in 1820. Both of these values are properly within the range reported in the Jasper County, GA 1820 census. In 1820, they would have had boys age 3 and 14 and girls age 1, 4, 5/6, 9, and 11. This fits the census range perfectly. My conclusion is that this Samuel Thompson, is in fact, the father of Wilmoth Lumsden Thompson that married Daniel Peterson Tucker. According to "Jasper County Georgia Deed Books 3 & 4 (1810-1811)" by John Bruno, a William Tucker purchased a tract of unspecified size on the waters of Murder Creek in Lot 57 of the 15th District. This transaction took place on January 13th, 1811. Witnesses were Thomas Watts, William Hodge, and O. Belcher, JP. Though I do not have exactly the right map to pinpoint this tract, it is probably located about 3-5 miles west of Shady Dell, Georgia. I do not have any information about Thomas Watt. In what may be only a coincidence, Wilmoth Lumsden Thompson had a sister named Phebe Lumsden who married a John {not William} Hodge. Another coincidence is that Wilmoth Lumsden Thompson's maternal grandfather was named Obediah Belcher. Although the Obediah Belcher in the 1820 Jasper census is not her maternal grandfather, it is not too much of a stretch to think that it could be a cousin or other relative. >From Deed Book 6, page 251 and 252 of Jasper County, GA records: On December 21, 1811, Samuel Thompson bought 150 acres on the waters of Murder Creek in Lot 56 of the 15th District of Baldwin County GA {later Randolph, then Jasper County} from Jeremiah Lumsden {who is undoubtedly Samuel's father-in-law}. I assume that this tract is adjacent to Lot 57 of the 15th District mentioned above. Thus, we have a William Tucker and Samuel Thompson living in close proximity on the waters of Murder Creek. Daniel Peterson Tucker, the son of a William Tucker, and Wilmoth Lumsden Thompson, daughter of Samuel Thompson were later to marry. It seems very strong evidence that the William who owned land here in 1811 was the likely father of Daniel Peterson Tucker. Other land transactions by Jeremiah Lumsden can be used to essentially prove that this, in fact, was the Jeremiah Lumsden who was the grandfather of Wilmoth Lumsden Thompson as he at times sells land to two of his known sons, Jeremiah Lumsden Junior and John Lumsden. Jasper County Deed Book A, page 5 records that on March 11, 1822, John Dingler sold land on Murder Creek to William Tucker. This 50 acre parcel was part of Lot 56 in the 15th District of Baldwin, now Jasper County. Note that this tract is part of the same lot wherein Samuel Thompson owned acreage. Jasper County Deed Book B, page 321 records that William Tucker sold the 50 acres that was part of Lot 56, 15th District on August 27, 1824 to a Simeon Dearing. As per Jasper County Deed Book A, page 542, William Tucker purchased 85 acres in the 15th District from Jeremiah Lumsden on March 18, 1826. It is difficult to read the Lot number in the document, but it appears to reference Lot numbers 64 and 65 and either 56 or 57. This is still apparently in the same area as the Samuel Thompson land. I have little documentation of the relationship of the Dinglers and the Tuckers and it is more of a confusion to me than a help. There is a book called "Dinglers of the South," or something like that which may shed some light on this relationship but I have not researched this book. There was some land sales interaction between the Dinglers and the Lumsdens and also the Dinglers and the Tuckers. Jeremiah Lumsden bought 52 l/4 acres of land in Jasper County from from one William Dingler on December 30, 1811. The original recorded deed has been damaged by fire or other means to the point that it is not possible to tell exactly the Lot number of the land, though it may be Lot {ninety} five in the 15th district of Randolph {later Jasper) County. The purchase by William Tucker from John Dingler was mentioned previously. There is a Madison Tucker (1826-1910) whose father is named William Tucker. Both this William Tucker, (1783-1865) and son Madison are buried in the New Smyrna Presbyterian Campground Cemetery just southwest of Conyers, GA. This William married Delania Lindsay, who may have been a third wife. His sons are listed as Madison Butler Tucker (1826-1910), Green Tucker (ca 1827-1907), Thomas Tucker, Warren Tucker, and William Tucker {Jr}. No Daniel is listed by any source that I am aware of. On the other hand, it is said by some researchers that Madison was born near Shady Dell, Georgia. This is in the same general area as the William Tucker we have been discussing above, the one who lived adjacent to Samuel Thompson. This leads to some uncertainty, but assumption is that the father of Madison Tucker is not also the father of Daniel Peterson Tucker. According to "The Heritage of Rockdale County Georgia," Walsworth Publishing Company, page 206 and 207, Madison Tucker married Eveline Amanda Mitchell near Shady Dell, Georgia in December, 1847. It states that some time before the War between the States they moved to what is now Rockdale County {would have been part of Newton County at that time}. How do the Dinglers come in? I am not sure. One source tells me by e-mail that Henry Dingler's first wife was Biddie Tucker whom he married on February 11, 1817 in Jasper County, GA and that Biddie died on October 17, 1820. Henry then married one Sarah Edwards. According to the source, Henry Dingler's sister Milly married one Jeremiah Tucker. This source said that they were married by John Dingler, father of Henry and Milly. Who was Jeremiah Tucker? Apparently, this is thought to be one of a brother of William Tucker who was the father of Madison. The father of this William is thought to be Thomas Tucker, whose wife was Elizabeth Ashmore. Their children are listed as William Tucker, Margaret Tucker, Jeremiah Tucker, Sarah Tucker, Mary Tucker, Pointum Tucker, John Tucker, and Rody Tucker. Another researcher includes Biddie Tucker as a child of this Thomas. Biddie might be a nickname for one of the girls, I guess, or she may be another individual. It isn't clear if the John Dingler in the 1820 Jasper census is the father or the brother of Henry Dingler. The "Historical Collections of the Georgia Chapters National Society of DAR, 1926" lists under Morgan County, GA marriages during 1808 the marriage of John Dingler to Mary Tucker and the marriage of Jeremiah Tucker to Milly Dingler. This seems to suggest that this John Dingler was a brother of Milly. I guess this must Mary must have been the daughter of Thomas Tucker. Thus, three of the Dinglers and Tuckers married: John Dingler to Mary Tucker, Henry Dingler to Biddie Tucker, and Jeremiah Tucker to Milly Dingler. Although the Dinglers were in the same areas as the Tuckers in the 1820's, it is my thought that the Dinglers are most likely are related related to the Thomas Tucker > William Tucker >Madison Tucker line of Tuckers. It is my opinion that this group of Tuckers not related to the William Tucker > Daniel Peterson Tucker line unless at a generation prior to Thomas Tucker. But who knows? By 1830, Samuel Thompson and Daniel Peterson Tucker were in Newton County, GA, a matter which is easily proved by census and land records. The Newton County deed Book G page 342 shows that Daniel Peterson Tucker bought 54 l/2 acres from his father-in-law Samuel Thompson on September 25, 1843. This land was located in Lot 4 of the Eighth District of formerly Henry, now Newton County. As per Book G, page 344, he also bought 5 acres in Lot 4 of the Tenth District of Newton County from John Thompson, presumably the son of Samuel Thompson. Though in two different districts, these tracts adjoin. This land is southwest of Covington, GA, and not in the area where the William, father of Madison wound up settling. He did not retain it very long, as he sold it back to the Thompsons in 1844 (Deed Book G, page 485) and moved to Chambers County, Alabama. The 1830 Newton County census lists a William Tucker and a William D. Tucker. Based on the number of children and the projected ages, it seems unlikely, though not impossible, that the 1820 Jasper William Tucker is one and the same as the 1830 Newton William Tucker. I also think that the 1820 Jasper William is probably not the same as the 1830 Jasper William. The William D. Tucker in the 1830 Newton Co census says that he is of 20, under 30 years of age and his presumed spouse is in the same age range and no children were listed. Has anyone seriously researched these William Tuckers in Jasper and Newton Counties? I am pretty convinced that my ancestor was the William in the 1820 Jasper County census, but I can't be sure where he went by 1830. Do any of the descendants of the Thomas Tucker/William Tucker/Madison Tucker know for sure which Jasper/Newton censuses "their William Tucker" ties to? I apologize for the long e-mail, but it contains quite a bit of factual information and a bit of speculation. Does anyone have information on the subjects covered that they can comment on them, or identify one of the William Tuckers in the Jasper/Newton census from 1820-1850 even? Paul T.