Floy Mable Beebe born 1877 Belton, MO just south of Kansas City. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 7:38:35 PM Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something What was your grandmother's maiden name? g On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:03 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> wrote: > Not my grandfather Henry Pruitt apparently as he according to grandma was a > workaholic, but his Pruitt brothers and counsins were a rowdy bunch around > Ardmore and locals. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 6:34:33 PM > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > Thackerville is Chickasaw. The Loves and Stewarts were from Thackerville. > Off the top of my head, but if it is not Garvin Co. it is probably Love > Co. > > g > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Billie Walsh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > For the most part whites were not allowed to "settle" in Indian > > Territory by law. They could visit but they weren't allowed to live > > there unless they had a tie to the Indians, like married to an Indian > > woman/man. The Chickasaw were one of the "Five Civilized Tribes". I > > don't know to much of the Chickasaw history, but I assume it parallels > > the Cherokee fairly well. Probably by the late 1800's there were a lot > > of very well [ college ] educated people in the nation. About the only > > thing they lacked was a written language of their own. The Cherokee were > > the only ones I know of that did. > > > > If she was born in the Chickasaw nation it's very probable she was > > Chickasaw. But, there is a chance she could have been Choctaw, Cherokee > > or any other tribe. There are instances of someone from one nation > > living in another. Also many instances of, say, a Choctaw marrying a > > Chickasaw. > > > > On 10/20/2011 05:52 PM, donkelly wrote: > > > Also of interest is the 1895 map of the area. There were an astounding > > number of labeled towns in the Chickasas Nation. > > > > > > Can I assume that most of those towns were built by Indians, OR did the > > Indians allow white people to come in and build the towns? > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "donkelly"<[email protected]> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 3:37:55 PM > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > Mom was born outside the nearest fair size town north of Texas. That > > would be the closest Indian territory to the border with Texas. Mom > didn't > > mention Cherokee, but she did often mention Chickasas. > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:45:51 PM > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > Henry may not have been part Indian. From my reading it's pretty > obvious > > > that by 1900 it was pretty hard to find a lot of full blood Cherokees. > I > > > don't know that much about the other four "civilized tribes" [ or other > > > nations either ], but the Cherokees were mostly mixed blood. I suspect > > > it was very common by 1900 to be of mixed blood in most tribes/nations. > > > Remember also that during that time it was very unfashionable to be > > > "Indian". Many that could pass as white preferred not to admit Indian > > > blood. Vehemently denied it in fact. Large numbers of mixed blood, as > > > well as full blood, people denied their heritage and avoided the Dawes > > > Commission. > > > > > > On 10/20/2011 03:48 PM, donkelly wrote: > > >> My mother Velma Gladys Pruitt was born in Oklahoma 1908 just after > > statehood. She always said it was Indian territory, and though grandma > > Pruitt was part Indian, no evidence has been presented to show that her > > husband Henry Pruitt from Kentucky was part Indian. Another family > mystery. > > >> > > >> don > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > > >> To: [email protected] > > >> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:40:24 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > >> > > >> December of 1905: > > >> > > >> I recommend that Indian Territory and Oklahoma be admitted as one > state > > >> and that New Mexico and Arizona be admitted as one state. There is no > > >> obligation upon, us to treat territorial subdivisions. of convenience > > >> only, as binding us on the question of admission to statehood. Nothing > > >> has taken up more time in the congress during the past few years than > > >> the question as to the statehood to be granted to the four territories > > >> above mentioned, and after careful consideration of all that has been > > >> developed in the discussion of the question, I recommend that they be > > >> immediately admitted as two states. There is no justification for > > >> further delay, and the advisability of making the four territories > into > > >> two states has been clearly established. ---Theodore Roosevelt. > > >> > > >> On 10/20/2011 10:55 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > > >>> I never knew that at the time of the debate over admitting Oklahoma > and > > >>> Sequoyah as separate states or a single state, there was also talk of > > >>> combining Arizona and New Mexico territories as one state. Seems that > > >>> some of the congress critters of the day thought that was a good > idea. > > >>> Not a very popular idea back in those two territories. > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. > > Liberty is a well-armed lamb." - Benjamin Franklin - > > > > _ _... ..._ _ > > _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Tschüß, > Gail > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter > and those who matter don't mind." > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Tschüß, Gail "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What was your mother's name? g On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:33 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> wrote: > Floy Mable Beebe born 1877 Belton, MO just south of Kansas City. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 7:38:35 PM > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > What was your grandmother's maiden name? > > g > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:03 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Not my grandfather Henry Pruitt apparently as he according to grandma was > a > > workaholic, but his Pruitt brothers and counsins were a rowdy bunch > around > > Ardmore and locals. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 6:34:33 PM > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > Thackerville is Chickasaw. The Loves and Stewarts were from > Thackerville. > > Off the top of my head, but if it is not Garvin Co. it is probably Love > > Co. > > > > g > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Billie Walsh <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > For the most part whites were not allowed to "settle" in Indian > > > Territory by law. They could visit but they weren't allowed to live > > > there unless they had a tie to the Indians, like married to an Indian > > > woman/man. The Chickasaw were one of the "Five Civilized Tribes". I > > > don't know to much of the Chickasaw history, but I assume it parallels > > > the Cherokee fairly well. Probably by the late 1800's there were a lot > > > of very well [ college ] educated people in the nation. About the only > > > thing they lacked was a written language of their own. The Cherokee > were > > > the only ones I know of that did. > > > > > > If she was born in the Chickasaw nation it's very probable she was > > > Chickasaw. But, there is a chance she could have been Choctaw, Cherokee > > > or any other tribe. There are instances of someone from one nation > > > living in another. Also many instances of, say, a Choctaw marrying a > > > Chickasaw. > > > > > > On 10/20/2011 05:52 PM, donkelly wrote: > > > > Also of interest is the 1895 map of the area. There were an > astounding > > > number of labeled towns in the Chickasas Nation. > > > > > > > > Can I assume that most of those towns were built by Indians, OR did > the > > > Indians allow white people to come in and build the towns? > > > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "donkelly"<[email protected]> > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 3:37:55 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > > > Mom was born outside the nearest fair size town north of Texas. That > > > would be the closest Indian territory to the border with Texas. Mom > > didn't > > > mention Cherokee, but she did often mention Chickasas. > > > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:45:51 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > > > Henry may not have been part Indian. From my reading it's pretty > > obvious > > > > that by 1900 it was pretty hard to find a lot of full blood > Cherokees. > > I > > > > don't know that much about the other four "civilized tribes" [ or > other > > > > nations either ], but the Cherokees were mostly mixed blood. I > suspect > > > > it was very common by 1900 to be of mixed blood in most > tribes/nations. > > > > Remember also that during that time it was very unfashionable to be > > > > "Indian". Many that could pass as white preferred not to admit Indian > > > > blood. Vehemently denied it in fact. Large numbers of mixed blood, as > > > > well as full blood, people denied their heritage and avoided the > Dawes > > > > Commission. > > > > > > > > On 10/20/2011 03:48 PM, donkelly wrote: > > > >> My mother Velma Gladys Pruitt was born in Oklahoma 1908 just after > > > statehood. She always said it was Indian territory, and though grandma > > > Pruitt was part Indian, no evidence has been presented to show that her > > > husband Henry Pruitt from Kentucky was part Indian. Another family > > mystery. > > > >> > > > >> don > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > > > >> To: [email protected] > > > >> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:40:24 PM > > > >> Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > >> > > > >> December of 1905: > > > >> > > > >> I recommend that Indian Territory and Oklahoma be admitted as one > > state > > > >> and that New Mexico and Arizona be admitted as one state. There is > no > > > >> obligation upon, us to treat territorial subdivisions. of > convenience > > > >> only, as binding us on the question of admission to statehood. > Nothing > > > >> has taken up more time in the congress during the past few years > than > > > >> the question as to the statehood to be granted to the four > territories > > > >> above mentioned, and after careful consideration of all that has > been > > > >> developed in the discussion of the question, I recommend that they > be > > > >> immediately admitted as two states. There is no justification for > > > >> further delay, and the advisability of making the four territories > > into > > > >> two states has been clearly established. ---Theodore Roosevelt. > > > >> > > > >> On 10/20/2011 10:55 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > > > >>> I never knew that at the time of the debate over admitting Oklahoma > > and > > > >>> Sequoyah as separate states or a single state, there was also talk > of > > > >>> combining Arizona and New Mexico territories as one state. Seems > that > > > >>> some of the congress critters of the day thought that was a good > > idea. > > > >>> Not a very popular idea back in those two territories. > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. > > > Liberty is a well-armed lamb." - Benjamin Franklin - > > > > > > _ _... ..._ _ > > > _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Tschüß, > > Gail > > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter > > and those who matter don't mind." > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Tschüß, > Gail > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter > and those who matter don't mind." > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Tschüß, Gail "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."