Head Frames? No, they built dams and oil refineries and pipelines mostly. don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 9:11:30 PM Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something My son's great great grandmother was, off the top of my head, Carrie Love who was born in Thackerville. Brown & Root, did they build head frames? g On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:51 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> wrote: > Velma Gladys Pruitt born 1908 Thackerville, south of Ardmore, Oklahoma > > Grandpa Pruitt died in Ardmore in 1917 in an accident while building the > new courthouse. > > After grandpa was killed, grandma married a Love. Her marriages did not > last as she married six times. Her last husband was a Root of the huge Brown > and Root Construction Company. > > At one time in the 1980s I worked for that company in Alaska. > > Small world. > > don > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 8:38:25 PM > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > What was your mother's name? > g > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:33 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Floy Mable Beebe born 1877 Belton, MO just south of Kansas City. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 7:38:35 PM > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > What was your grandmother's maiden name? > > > > g > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:03 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Not my grandfather Henry Pruitt apparently as he according to grandma > was > > a > > > workaholic, but his Pruitt brothers and counsins were a rowdy bunch > > around > > > Ardmore and locals. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 6:34:33 PM > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > Thackerville is Chickasaw. The Loves and Stewarts were from > > Thackerville. > > > Off the top of my head, but if it is not Garvin Co. it is probably > Love > > > Co. > > > > > > g > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Billie Walsh <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > For the most part whites were not allowed to "settle" in Indian > > > > Territory by law. They could visit but they weren't allowed to live > > > > there unless they had a tie to the Indians, like married to an Indian > > > > woman/man. The Chickasaw were one of the "Five Civilized Tribes". I > > > > don't know to much of the Chickasaw history, but I assume it > parallels > > > > the Cherokee fairly well. Probably by the late 1800's there were a > lot > > > > of very well [ college ] educated people in the nation. About the > only > > > > thing they lacked was a written language of their own. The Cherokee > > were > > > > the only ones I know of that did. > > > > > > > > If she was born in the Chickasaw nation it's very probable she was > > > > Chickasaw. But, there is a chance she could have been Choctaw, > Cherokee > > > > or any other tribe. There are instances of someone from one nation > > > > living in another. Also many instances of, say, a Choctaw marrying a > > > > Chickasaw. > > > > > > > > On 10/20/2011 05:52 PM, donkelly wrote: > > > > > Also of interest is the 1895 map of the area. There were an > > astounding > > > > number of labeled towns in the Chickasas Nation. > > > > > > > > > > Can I assume that most of those towns were built by Indians, OR did > > the > > > > Indians allow white people to come in and build the towns? > > > > > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "donkelly"<[email protected]> > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 3:37:55 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > > > > > Mom was born outside the nearest fair size town north of Texas. > That > > > > would be the closest Indian territory to the border with Texas. Mom > > > didn't > > > > mention Cherokee, but she did often mention Chickasas. > > > > > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:45:51 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > > > > > Henry may not have been part Indian. From my reading it's pretty > > > obvious > > > > > that by 1900 it was pretty hard to find a lot of full blood > > Cherokees. > > > I > > > > > don't know that much about the other four "civilized tribes" [ or > > other > > > > > nations either ], but the Cherokees were mostly mixed blood. I > > suspect > > > > > it was very common by 1900 to be of mixed blood in most > > tribes/nations. > > > > > Remember also that during that time it was very unfashionable to be > > > > > "Indian". Many that could pass as white preferred not to admit > Indian > > > > > blood. Vehemently denied it in fact. Large numbers of mixed blood, > as > > > > > well as full blood, people denied their heritage and avoided the > > Dawes > > > > > Commission. > > > > > > > > > > On 10/20/2011 03:48 PM, donkelly wrote: > > > > >> My mother Velma Gladys Pruitt was born in Oklahoma 1908 just after > > > > statehood. She always said it was Indian territory, and though > grandma > > > > Pruitt was part Indian, no evidence has been presented to show that > her > > > > husband Henry Pruitt from Kentucky was part Indian. Another family > > > mystery. > > > > >> > > > > >> don > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > > > > >> To: [email protected] > > > > >> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:40:24 PM > > > > >> Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > >> > > > > >> December of 1905: > > > > >> > > > > >> I recommend that Indian Territory and Oklahoma be admitted as one > > > state > > > > >> and that New Mexico and Arizona be admitted as one state. There is > > no > > > > >> obligation upon, us to treat territorial subdivisions. of > > convenience > > > > >> only, as binding us on the question of admission to statehood. > > Nothing > > > > >> has taken up more time in the congress during the past few years > > than > > > > >> the question as to the statehood to be granted to the four > > territories > > > > >> above mentioned, and after careful consideration of all that has > > been > > > > >> developed in the discussion of the question, I recommend that they > > be > > > > >> immediately admitted as two states. There is no justification for > > > > >> further delay, and the advisability of making the four territories > > > into > > > > >> two states has been clearly established. ---Theodore Roosevelt. > > > > >> > > > > >> On 10/20/2011 10:55 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > > > > >>> I never knew that at the time of the debate over admitting > Oklahoma > > > and > > > > >>> Sequoyah as separate states or a single state, there was also > talk > > of > > > > >>> combining Arizona and New Mexico territories as one state. Seems > > that > > > > >>> some of the congress critters of the day thought that was a good > > > idea. > > > > >>> Not a very popular idea back in those two territories. > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. > > > > Liberty is a well-armed lamb." - Benjamin Franklin - > > > > > > > > _ _... ..._ _ > > > > _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Tschüß, > > > Gail > > > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't > matter > > > and those who matter don't mind." > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Tschüß, > > Gail > > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter > > and those who matter don't mind." > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Tschüß, > Gail > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter > and those who matter don't mind." > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Tschüß, Gail "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Maybe I put them in the same class then as Granite.. or maybe Brown and Root were on the canal here??? g On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 9:20 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> wrote: > Head Frames? > > No, they built dams and oil refineries and pipelines mostly. > > don > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 9:11:30 PM > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > My son's great great grandmother was, off the top of my head, Carrie Love > who was born in Thackerville. > > Brown & Root, did they build head frames? > > g > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:51 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Velma Gladys Pruitt born 1908 Thackerville, south of Ardmore, Oklahoma > > > > Grandpa Pruitt died in Ardmore in 1917 in an accident while building the > > new courthouse. > > > > After grandpa was killed, grandma married a Love. Her marriages did not > > last as she married six times. Her last husband was a Root of the huge > Brown > > and Root Construction Company. > > > > At one time in the 1980s I worked for that company in Alaska. > > > > Small world. > > > > don > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 8:38:25 PM > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > What was your mother's name? > > g > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:33 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Floy Mable Beebe born 1877 Belton, MO just south of Kansas City. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 7:38:35 PM > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > What was your grandmother's maiden name? > > > > > > g > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:03 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > Not my grandfather Henry Pruitt apparently as he according to grandma > > was > > > a > > > > workaholic, but his Pruitt brothers and counsins were a rowdy bunch > > > around > > > > Ardmore and locals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 6:34:33 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > > > Thackerville is Chickasaw. The Loves and Stewarts were from > > > Thackerville. > > > > Off the top of my head, but if it is not Garvin Co. it is probably > > Love > > > > Co. > > > > > > > > g > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Billie Walsh <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > For the most part whites were not allowed to "settle" in Indian > > > > > Territory by law. They could visit but they weren't allowed to live > > > > > there unless they had a tie to the Indians, like married to an > Indian > > > > > woman/man. The Chickasaw were one of the "Five Civilized Tribes". I > > > > > don't know to much of the Chickasaw history, but I assume it > > parallels > > > > > the Cherokee fairly well. Probably by the late 1800's there were a > > lot > > > > > of very well [ college ] educated people in the nation. About the > > only > > > > > thing they lacked was a written language of their own. The Cherokee > > > were > > > > > the only ones I know of that did. > > > > > > > > > > If she was born in the Chickasaw nation it's very probable she was > > > > > Chickasaw. But, there is a chance she could have been Choctaw, > > Cherokee > > > > > or any other tribe. There are instances of someone from one nation > > > > > living in another. Also many instances of, say, a Choctaw marrying > a > > > > > Chickasaw. > > > > > > > > > > On 10/20/2011 05:52 PM, donkelly wrote: > > > > > > Also of interest is the 1895 map of the area. There were an > > > astounding > > > > > number of labeled towns in the Chickasas Nation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Can I assume that most of those towns were built by Indians, OR > did > > > the > > > > > Indians allow white people to come in and build the towns? > > > > > > > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "donkelly"<[email protected]> > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 3:37:55 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > > > > > > > Mom was born outside the nearest fair size town north of Texas. > > That > > > > > would be the closest Indian territory to the border with Texas. Mom > > > > didn't > > > > > mention Cherokee, but she did often mention Chickasas. > > > > > > > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:45:51 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > > > > > > > Henry may not have been part Indian. From my reading it's pretty > > > > obvious > > > > > > that by 1900 it was pretty hard to find a lot of full blood > > > Cherokees. > > > > I > > > > > > don't know that much about the other four "civilized tribes" [ or > > > other > > > > > > nations either ], but the Cherokees were mostly mixed blood. I > > > suspect > > > > > > it was very common by 1900 to be of mixed blood in most > > > tribes/nations. > > > > > > Remember also that during that time it was very unfashionable to > be > > > > > > "Indian". Many that could pass as white preferred not to admit > > Indian > > > > > > blood. Vehemently denied it in fact. Large numbers of mixed > blood, > > as > > > > > > well as full blood, people denied their heritage and avoided the > > > Dawes > > > > > > Commission. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/20/2011 03:48 PM, donkelly wrote: > > > > > >> My mother Velma Gladys Pruitt was born in Oklahoma 1908 just > after > > > > > statehood. She always said it was Indian territory, and though > > grandma > > > > > Pruitt was part Indian, no evidence has been presented to show that > > her > > > > > husband Henry Pruitt from Kentucky was part Indian. Another family > > > > mystery. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> don > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >> From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > > > > > >> To: [email protected] > > > > > >> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:40:24 PM > > > > > >> Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > >> > > > > > >> December of 1905: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I recommend that Indian Territory and Oklahoma be admitted as > one > > > > state > > > > > >> and that New Mexico and Arizona be admitted as one state. There > is > > > no > > > > > >> obligation upon, us to treat territorial subdivisions. of > > > convenience > > > > > >> only, as binding us on the question of admission to statehood. > > > Nothing > > > > > >> has taken up more time in the congress during the past few years > > > than > > > > > >> the question as to the statehood to be granted to the four > > > territories > > > > > >> above mentioned, and after careful consideration of all that has > > > been > > > > > >> developed in the discussion of the question, I recommend that > they > > > be > > > > > >> immediately admitted as two states. There is no justification > for > > > > > >> further delay, and the advisability of making the four > territories > > > > into > > > > > >> two states has been clearly established. ---Theodore Roosevelt. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On 10/20/2011 10:55 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > > > > > >>> I never knew that at the time of the debate over admitting > > Oklahoma > > > > and > > > > > >>> Sequoyah as separate states or a single state, there was also > > talk > > > of > > > > > >>> combining Arizona and New Mexico territories as one state. > Seems > > > that > > > > > >>> some of the congress critters of the day thought that was a > good > > > > idea. > > > > > >>> Not a very popular idea back in those two territories. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for > dinner. > > > > > Liberty is a well-armed lamb." - Benjamin Franklin - > > > > > > > > > > _ _... ..._ _ > > > > > _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes > > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Tschüß, > > > > Gail > > > > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't > > matter > > > > and those who matter don't mind." > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Tschüß, > > > Gail > > > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't > matter > > > and those who matter don't mind." > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Tschüß, > > Gail > > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter > > and those who matter don't mind." > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Tschüß, > Gail > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter > and those who matter don't mind." > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -- Tschüß, Gail "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."