My mother Velma Gladys Pruitt was born in Oklahoma 1908 just after statehood. She always said it was Indian territory, and though grandma Pruitt was part Indian, no evidence has been presented to show that her husband Henry Pruitt from Kentucky was part Indian. Another family mystery. don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billie Walsh" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:40:24 PM Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something December of 1905: I recommend that Indian Territory and Oklahoma be admitted as one state and that New Mexico and Arizona be admitted as one state. There is no obligation upon, us to treat territorial subdivisions. of convenience only, as binding us on the question of admission to statehood. Nothing has taken up more time in the congress during the past few years than the question as to the statehood to be granted to the four territories above mentioned, and after careful consideration of all that has been developed in the discussion of the question, I recommend that they be immediately admitted as two states. There is no justification for further delay, and the advisability of making the four territories into two states has been clearly established. ---Theodore Roosevelt. On 10/20/2011 10:55 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > I never knew that at the time of the debate over admitting Oklahoma and > Sequoyah as separate states or a single state, there was also talk of > combining Arizona and New Mexico territories as one state. Seems that > some of the congress critters of the day thought that was a good idea. > Not a very popular idea back in those two territories. > -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb." - Benjamin Franklin - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Henry may not have been part Indian. From my reading it's pretty obvious that by 1900 it was pretty hard to find a lot of full blood Cherokees. I don't know that much about the other four "civilized tribes" [ or other nations either ], but the Cherokees were mostly mixed blood. I suspect it was very common by 1900 to be of mixed blood in most tribes/nations. Remember also that during that time it was very unfashionable to be "Indian". Many that could pass as white preferred not to admit Indian blood. Vehemently denied it in fact. Large numbers of mixed blood, as well as full blood, people denied their heritage and avoided the Dawes Commission. On 10/20/2011 03:48 PM, donkelly wrote: > My mother Velma Gladys Pruitt was born in Oklahoma 1908 just after statehood. She always said it was Indian territory, and though grandma Pruitt was part Indian, no evidence has been presented to show that her husband Henry Pruitt from Kentucky was part Indian. Another family mystery. > > don > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:40:24 PM > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > December of 1905: > > I recommend that Indian Territory and Oklahoma be admitted as one state > and that New Mexico and Arizona be admitted as one state. There is no > obligation upon, us to treat territorial subdivisions. of convenience > only, as binding us on the question of admission to statehood. Nothing > has taken up more time in the congress during the past few years than > the question as to the statehood to be granted to the four territories > above mentioned, and after careful consideration of all that has been > developed in the discussion of the question, I recommend that they be > immediately admitted as two states. There is no justification for > further delay, and the advisability of making the four territories into > two states has been clearly established. ---Theodore Roosevelt. > > On 10/20/2011 10:55 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: >> I never knew that at the time of the debate over admitting Oklahoma and >> Sequoyah as separate states or a single state, there was also talk of >> combining Arizona and New Mexico territories as one state. Seems that >> some of the congress critters of the day thought that was a good idea. >> Not a very popular idea back in those two territories. >> > > -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb." - Benjamin Franklin - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._

Mom was born outside the nearest fair size town north of Texas. That would be the closest Indian territory to the border with Texas. Mom didn't mention Cherokee, but she did often mention Chickasas. don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billie Walsh" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:45:51 PM Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something Henry may not have been part Indian. From my reading it's pretty obvious that by 1900 it was pretty hard to find a lot of full blood Cherokees. I don't know that much about the other four "civilized tribes" [ or other nations either ], but the Cherokees were mostly mixed blood. I suspect it was very common by 1900 to be of mixed blood in most tribes/nations. Remember also that during that time it was very unfashionable to be "Indian". Many that could pass as white preferred not to admit Indian blood. Vehemently denied it in fact. Large numbers of mixed blood, as well as full blood, people denied their heritage and avoided the Dawes Commission. On 10/20/2011 03:48 PM, donkelly wrote: > My mother Velma Gladys Pruitt was born in Oklahoma 1908 just after statehood. She always said it was Indian territory, and though grandma Pruitt was part Indian, no evidence has been presented to show that her husband Henry Pruitt from Kentucky was part Indian. Another family mystery. > > don > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:40:24 PM > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > December of 1905: > > I recommend that Indian Territory and Oklahoma be admitted as one state > and that New Mexico and Arizona be admitted as one state. There is no > obligation upon, us to treat territorial subdivisions. of convenience > only, as binding us on the question of admission to statehood. Nothing > has taken up more time in the congress during the past few years than > the question as to the statehood to be granted to the four territories > above mentioned, and after careful consideration of all that has been > developed in the discussion of the question, I recommend that they be > immediately admitted as two states. There is no justification for > further delay, and the advisability of making the four territories into > two states has been clearly established. ---Theodore Roosevelt. > > On 10/20/2011 10:55 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: >> I never knew that at the time of the debate over admitting Oklahoma and >> Sequoyah as separate states or a single state, there was also talk of >> combining Arizona and New Mexico territories as one state. Seems that >> some of the congress critters of the day thought that was a good idea. >> Not a very popular idea back in those two territories. >> > > -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb." - Benjamin Franklin - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Also of interest is the 1895 map of the area. There were an astounding number of labeled towns in the Chickasas Nation. Can I assume that most of those towns were built by Indians, OR did the Indians allow white people to come in and build the towns? don ----- Original Message ----- From: "donkelly" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 3:37:55 PM Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something Mom was born outside the nearest fair size town north of Texas. That would be the closest Indian territory to the border with Texas. Mom didn't mention Cherokee, but she did often mention Chickasas. don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billie Walsh" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:45:51 PM Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something Henry may not have been part Indian. From my reading it's pretty obvious that by 1900 it was pretty hard to find a lot of full blood Cherokees. I don't know that much about the other four "civilized tribes" [ or other nations either ], but the Cherokees were mostly mixed blood. I suspect it was very common by 1900 to be of mixed blood in most tribes/nations. Remember also that during that time it was very unfashionable to be "Indian". Many that could pass as white preferred not to admit Indian blood. Vehemently denied it in fact. Large numbers of mixed blood, as well as full blood, people denied their heritage and avoided the Dawes Commission. On 10/20/2011 03:48 PM, donkelly wrote: > My mother Velma Gladys Pruitt was born in Oklahoma 1908 just after statehood. She always said it was Indian territory, and though grandma Pruitt was part Indian, no evidence has been presented to show that her husband Henry Pruitt from Kentucky was part Indian. Another family mystery. > > don > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:40:24 PM > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > December of 1905: > > I recommend that Indian Territory and Oklahoma be admitted as one state > and that New Mexico and Arizona be admitted as one state. There is no > obligation upon, us to treat territorial subdivisions. of convenience > only, as binding us on the question of admission to statehood. Nothing > has taken up more time in the congress during the past few years than > the question as to the statehood to be granted to the four territories > above mentioned, and after careful consideration of all that has been > developed in the discussion of the question, I recommend that they be > immediately admitted as two states. There is no justification for > further delay, and the advisability of making the four territories into > two states has been clearly established. ---Theodore Roosevelt. > > On 10/20/2011 10:55 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: >> I never knew that at the time of the debate over admitting Oklahoma and >> Sequoyah as separate states or a single state, there was also talk of >> combining Arizona and New Mexico territories as one state. Seems that >> some of the congress critters of the day thought that was a good idea. >> Not a very popular idea back in those two territories. >> > > -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb." - Benjamin Franklin - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Denied is right. My sister researched our Beebe line from Connecticut through New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Illinois and Iowa, and found in ever census she found listed as White. But Grandma Beebe and great gram Beebe spilled beans when I was very young, and I never forgot their Indian Stories. Example: When was surname Rainwater, or Blackbird, not an Indian? don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billie Walsh" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:45:51 PM Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something Henry may not have been part Indian. From my reading it's pretty obvious that by 1900 it was pretty hard to find a lot of full blood Cherokees. I don't know that much about the other four "civilized tribes" [ or other nations either ], but the Cherokees were mostly mixed blood. I suspect it was very common by 1900 to be of mixed blood in most tribes/nations. Remember also that during that time it was very unfashionable to be "Indian". Many that could pass as white preferred not to admit Indian blood. Vehemently denied it in fact. Large numbers of mixed blood, as well as full blood, people denied their heritage and avoided the Dawes Commission. On 10/20/2011 03:48 PM, donkelly wrote: > My mother Velma Gladys Pruitt was born in Oklahoma 1908 just after statehood. She always said it was Indian territory, and though grandma Pruitt was part Indian, no evidence has been presented to show that her husband Henry Pruitt from Kentucky was part Indian. Another family mystery. > > don > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:40:24 PM > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > December of 1905: > > I recommend that Indian Territory and Oklahoma be admitted as one state > and that New Mexico and Arizona be admitted as one state. There is no > obligation upon, us to treat territorial subdivisions. of convenience > only, as binding us on the question of admission to statehood. Nothing > has taken up more time in the congress during the past few years than > the question as to the statehood to be granted to the four territories > above mentioned, and after careful consideration of all that has been > developed in the discussion of the question, I recommend that they be > immediately admitted as two states. There is no justification for > further delay, and the advisability of making the four territories into > two states has been clearly established. ---Theodore Roosevelt. > > On 10/20/2011 10:55 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: >> I never knew that at the time of the debate over admitting Oklahoma and >> Sequoyah as separate states or a single state, there was also talk of >> combining Arizona and New Mexico territories as one state. Seems that >> some of the congress critters of the day thought that was a good idea. >> Not a very popular idea back in those two territories. >> > > -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb." - Benjamin Franklin - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message