I worked for Bechtel at San Onofre Nuke Plant and worked for Granite here on the East Main. g On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 11:36 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> wrote: > As Bechtel does, so does Brown and Root. They tried to send me to China oil > fields once. Good money, but I quickly said no. The equipment might be OK > now as China has some money, but back then it was used USSR > equipment....just junk. > > don > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:36:38 PM > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > The one that seems to always bust... ;-)) No, they didn't work on the East > Main, Granite did but they may have worked on the AZ Central from the river > to Tucson.. Bechtel was also on the central canal. > > Brown & Root could have also been at Climax, the mine, in Colorado. > > g > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:32 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > You mean the canal that busted and spilled a lot of water last year? > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 9:56:00 PM > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > Maybe I put them in the same class then as Granite.. or maybe Brown and > > Root > > were on the canal here??? > > > > g > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 9:20 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Head Frames? > > > > > > No, they built dams and oil refineries and pipelines mostly. > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 9:11:30 PM > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > My son's great great grandmother was, off the top of my head, Carrie > Love > > > who was born in Thackerville. > > > > > > Brown & Root, did they build head frames? > > > > > > g > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:51 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > Velma Gladys Pruitt born 1908 Thackerville, south of Ardmore, > Oklahoma > > > > > > > > Grandpa Pruitt died in Ardmore in 1917 in an accident while building > > the > > > > new courthouse. > > > > > > > > After grandpa was killed, grandma married a Love. Her marriages did > not > > > > last as she married six times. Her last husband was a Root of the > huge > > > Brown > > > > and Root Construction Company. > > > > > > > > At one time in the 1980s I worked for that company in Alaska. > > > > > > > > Small world. > > > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 8:38:25 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > > > What was your mother's name? > > > > g > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:33 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Floy Mable Beebe born 1877 Belton, MO just south of Kansas City. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 7:38:35 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > > > > > What was your grandmother's maiden name? > > > > > > > > > > g > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:03 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Not my grandfather Henry Pruitt apparently as he according to > > grandma > > > > was > > > > > a > > > > > > workaholic, but his Pruitt brothers and counsins were a rowdy > bunch > > > > > around > > > > > > Ardmore and locals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 6:34:33 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > > > > > > > Thackerville is Chickasaw. The Loves and Stewarts were from > > > > > Thackerville. > > > > > > Off the top of my head, but if it is not Garvin Co. it is > probably > > > > Love > > > > > > Co. > > > > > > > > > > > > g > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Billie Walsh < > [email protected] > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the most part whites were not allowed to "settle" in Indian > > > > > > > Territory by law. They could visit but they weren't allowed to > > live > > > > > > > there unless they had a tie to the Indians, like married to an > > > Indian > > > > > > > woman/man. The Chickasaw were one of the "Five Civilized > Tribes". > > I > > > > > > > don't know to much of the Chickasaw history, but I assume it > > > > parallels > > > > > > > the Cherokee fairly well. Probably by the late 1800's there > were > > a > > > > lot > > > > > > > of very well [ college ] educated people in the nation. About > the > > > > only > > > > > > > thing they lacked was a written language of their own. The > > Cherokee > > > > > were > > > > > > > the only ones I know of that did. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If she was born in the Chickasaw nation it's very probable she > > was > > > > > > > Chickasaw. But, there is a chance she could have been Choctaw, > > > > Cherokee > > > > > > > or any other tribe. There are instances of someone from one > > nation > > > > > > > living in another. Also many instances of, say, a Choctaw > > marrying > > > a > > > > > > > Chickasaw. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/20/2011 05:52 PM, donkelly wrote: > > > > > > > > Also of interest is the 1895 map of the area. There were an > > > > > astounding > > > > > > > number of labeled towns in the Chickasas Nation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can I assume that most of those towns were built by Indians, > OR > > > did > > > > > the > > > > > > > Indians allow white people to come in and build the towns? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "donkelly"<[email protected]> > > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 3:37:55 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mom was born outside the nearest fair size town north of > Texas. > > > > That > > > > > > > would be the closest Indian territory to the border with Texas. > > Mom > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > mention Cherokee, but she did often mention Chickasas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:45:51 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Henry may not have been part Indian. From my reading it's > > pretty > > > > > > obvious > > > > > > > > that by 1900 it was pretty hard to find a lot of full blood > > > > > Cherokees. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > don't know that much about the other four "civilized tribes" > [ > > or > > > > > other > > > > > > > > nations either ], but the Cherokees were mostly mixed blood. > I > > > > > suspect > > > > > > > > it was very common by 1900 to be of mixed blood in most > > > > > tribes/nations. > > > > > > > > Remember also that during that time it was very unfashionable > > to > > > be > > > > > > > > "Indian". Many that could pass as white preferred not to > admit > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > blood. Vehemently denied it in fact. Large numbers of mixed > > > blood, > > > > as > > > > > > > > well as full blood, people denied their heritage and avoided > > the > > > > > Dawes > > > > > > > > Commission. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/20/2011 03:48 PM, donkelly wrote: > > > > > > > >> My mother Velma Gladys Pruitt was born in Oklahoma 1908 just > > > after > > > > > > > statehood. She always said it was Indian territory, and though > > > > grandma > > > > > > > Pruitt was part Indian, no evidence has been presented to show > > that > > > > her > > > > > > > husband Henry Pruitt from Kentucky was part Indian. Another > > family > > > > > > mystery. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> don > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > >> From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > > > > > > > >> To: [email protected] > > > > > > > >> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:40:24 PM > > > > > > > >> Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> December of 1905: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> I recommend that Indian Territory and Oklahoma be admitted > as > > > one > > > > > > state > > > > > > > >> and that New Mexico and Arizona be admitted as one state. > > There > > > is > > > > > no > > > > > > > >> obligation upon, us to treat territorial subdivisions. of > > > > > convenience > > > > > > > >> only, as binding us on the question of admission to > statehood. > > > > > Nothing > > > > > > > >> has taken up more time in the congress during the past few > > years > > > > > than > > > > > > > >> the question as to the statehood to be granted to the four > > > > > territories > > > > > > > >> above mentioned, and after careful consideration of all that > > has > > > > > been > > > > > > > >> developed in the discussion of the question, I recommend > that > > > they > > > > > be > > > > > > > >> immediately admitted as two states. There is no > justification > > > for > > > > > > > >> further delay, and the advisability of making the four > > > territories > > > > > > into > > > > > > > >> two states has been clearly established. ---Theodore > > Roosevelt. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> On 10/20/2011 10:55 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > > > > > > > >>> I never knew that at the time of the debate over admitting > > > > Oklahoma > > > > > > and > > > > > > > >>> Sequoyah as separate states or a single state, there was > also > > > > talk > > > > > of > > > > > > > >>> combining Arizona and New Mexico territories as one state. > > > Seems > > > > > that > > > > > > > >>> some of the congress critters of the day thought that was a > > > good > > > > > > idea. > > > > > > > >>> Not a very popular idea back in those two territories. > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for > > > dinner. > > > > > > > Liberty is a well-armed lamb." - Benjamin Franklin - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _ _... ..._ _ > > > > > > > _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > > > > quotes > > > > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Tschüß, > > > > > > Gail > > > > > > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind > don't > > > > matter > > > > > > and those who matter don't mind." > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > > quotes > > > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > > quotes > > > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Tschüß, > > > > > Gail > > > > > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't > > > matter > > > > > and those who matter don't mind." > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes > > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes > > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Tschüß, > > > > Gail > > > > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't > > matter > > > > and those who matter don't mind." > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Tschüß, > > > Gail > > > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't > matter > > > and those who matter don't mind." > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Tschüß, > > Gail > > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter > > and those who matter don't mind." > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Tschüß, > Gail > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter > and those who matter don't mind." > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Tschüß, Gail "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."

Denied is right. My sister researched our Beebe line from Connecticut through New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Illinois and Iowa, and found in ever census she found listed as White. But Grandma Beebe and great gram Beebe spilled beans when I was very young, and I never forgot their Indian Stories. Example: When was surname Rainwater, or Blackbird, not an Indian? don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billie Walsh" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:45:51 PM Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something Henry may not have been part Indian. From my reading it's pretty obvious that by 1900 it was pretty hard to find a lot of full blood Cherokees. I don't know that much about the other four "civilized tribes" [ or other nations either ], but the Cherokees were mostly mixed blood. I suspect it was very common by 1900 to be of mixed blood in most tribes/nations. Remember also that during that time it was very unfashionable to be "Indian". Many that could pass as white preferred not to admit Indian blood. Vehemently denied it in fact. Large numbers of mixed blood, as well as full blood, people denied their heritage and avoided the Dawes Commission. On 10/20/2011 03:48 PM, donkelly wrote: > My mother Velma Gladys Pruitt was born in Oklahoma 1908 just after statehood. She always said it was Indian territory, and though grandma Pruitt was part Indian, no evidence has been presented to show that her husband Henry Pruitt from Kentucky was part Indian. Another family mystery. > > don > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:40:24 PM > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > December of 1905: > > I recommend that Indian Territory and Oklahoma be admitted as one state > and that New Mexico and Arizona be admitted as one state. There is no > obligation upon, us to treat territorial subdivisions. of convenience > only, as binding us on the question of admission to statehood. Nothing > has taken up more time in the congress during the past few years than > the question as to the statehood to be granted to the four territories > above mentioned, and after careful consideration of all that has been > developed in the discussion of the question, I recommend that they be > immediately admitted as two states. There is no justification for > further delay, and the advisability of making the four territories into > two states has been clearly established. ---Theodore Roosevelt. > > On 10/20/2011 10:55 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: >> I never knew that at the time of the debate over admitting Oklahoma and >> Sequoyah as separate states or a single state, there was also talk of >> combining Arizona and New Mexico territories as one state. Seems that >> some of the congress critters of the day thought that was a good idea. >> Not a very popular idea back in those two territories. >> > > -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb." - Benjamin Franklin - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Also of interest is the 1895 map of the area. There were an astounding number of labeled towns in the Chickasas Nation. Can I assume that most of those towns were built by Indians, OR did the Indians allow white people to come in and build the towns? don ----- Original Message ----- From: "donkelly" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 3:37:55 PM Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something Mom was born outside the nearest fair size town north of Texas. That would be the closest Indian territory to the border with Texas. Mom didn't mention Cherokee, but she did often mention Chickasas. don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billie Walsh" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:45:51 PM Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something Henry may not have been part Indian. From my reading it's pretty obvious that by 1900 it was pretty hard to find a lot of full blood Cherokees. I don't know that much about the other four "civilized tribes" [ or other nations either ], but the Cherokees were mostly mixed blood. I suspect it was very common by 1900 to be of mixed blood in most tribes/nations. Remember also that during that time it was very unfashionable to be "Indian". Many that could pass as white preferred not to admit Indian blood. Vehemently denied it in fact. Large numbers of mixed blood, as well as full blood, people denied their heritage and avoided the Dawes Commission. On 10/20/2011 03:48 PM, donkelly wrote: > My mother Velma Gladys Pruitt was born in Oklahoma 1908 just after statehood. She always said it was Indian territory, and though grandma Pruitt was part Indian, no evidence has been presented to show that her husband Henry Pruitt from Kentucky was part Indian. Another family mystery. > > don > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:40:24 PM > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > December of 1905: > > I recommend that Indian Territory and Oklahoma be admitted as one state > and that New Mexico and Arizona be admitted as one state. There is no > obligation upon, us to treat territorial subdivisions. of convenience > only, as binding us on the question of admission to statehood. Nothing > has taken up more time in the congress during the past few years than > the question as to the statehood to be granted to the four territories > above mentioned, and after careful consideration of all that has been > developed in the discussion of the question, I recommend that they be > immediately admitted as two states. There is no justification for > further delay, and the advisability of making the four territories into > two states has been clearly established. ---Theodore Roosevelt. > > On 10/20/2011 10:55 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: >> I never knew that at the time of the debate over admitting Oklahoma and >> Sequoyah as separate states or a single state, there was also talk of >> combining Arizona and New Mexico territories as one state. Seems that >> some of the congress critters of the day thought that was a good idea. >> Not a very popular idea back in those two territories. >> > > -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb." - Benjamin Franklin - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Right near the WinStar Casino... I live pretty close to Thackerville. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "donkelly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > Just looked it up in mom's book. She was born in Thackerville, Oklahoma > December 24, 1908. That town appears to be in the edge of the Chickasas > Nation. > > Curious > > don > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "donkelly" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 3:37:55 PM > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > Mom was born outside the nearest fair size town north of Texas. That would > be the closest Indian territory to the border with Texas. Mom didn't > mention Cherokee, but she did often mention Chickasas. > > don > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Billie Walsh" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:45:51 PM > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > Henry may not have been part Indian. From my reading it's pretty obvious > that by 1900 it was pretty hard to find a lot of full blood Cherokees. I > don't know that much about the other four "civilized tribes" [ or other > nations either ], but the Cherokees were mostly mixed blood. I suspect > it was very common by 1900 to be of mixed blood in most tribes/nations. > Remember also that during that time it was very unfashionable to be > "Indian". Many that could pass as white preferred not to admit Indian > blood. Vehemently denied it in fact. Large numbers of mixed blood, as > well as full blood, people denied their heritage and avoided the Dawes > Commission. > > On 10/20/2011 03:48 PM, donkelly wrote: >> My mother Velma Gladys Pruitt was born in Oklahoma 1908 just after >> statehood. She always said it was Indian territory, and though grandma >> Pruitt was part Indian, no evidence has been presented to show that her >> husband Henry Pruitt from Kentucky was part Indian. Another family >> mystery. >> >> don >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:40:24 PM >> Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something >> >> December of 1905: >> >> I recommend that Indian Territory and Oklahoma be admitted as one state >> and that New Mexico and Arizona be admitted as one state. There is no >> obligation upon, us to treat territorial subdivisions. of convenience >> only, as binding us on the question of admission to statehood. Nothing >> has taken up more time in the congress during the past few years than >> the question as to the statehood to be granted to the four territories >> above mentioned, and after careful consideration of all that has been >> developed in the discussion of the question, I recommend that they be >> immediately admitted as two states. There is no justification for >> further delay, and the advisability of making the four territories into >> two states has been clearly established. ---Theodore Roosevelt. >> >> On 10/20/2011 10:55 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: >>> I never knew that at the time of the debate over admitting Oklahoma and >>> Sequoyah as separate states or a single state, there was also talk of >>> combining Arizona and New Mexico territories as one state. Seems that >>> some of the congress critters of the day thought that was a good idea. >>> Not a very popular idea back in those two territories. >>> >> >> > > > -- > > "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. > Liberty is a well-armed lamb." - Benjamin Franklin - > > _ _... ..._ _ > _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Just looked it up in mom's book. She was born in Thackerville, Oklahoma December 24, 1908. That town appears to be in the edge of the Chickasas Nation. Curious don ----- Original Message ----- From: "donkelly" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 3:37:55 PM Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something Mom was born outside the nearest fair size town north of Texas. That would be the closest Indian territory to the border with Texas. Mom didn't mention Cherokee, but she did often mention Chickasas. don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billie Walsh" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:45:51 PM Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something Henry may not have been part Indian. From my reading it's pretty obvious that by 1900 it was pretty hard to find a lot of full blood Cherokees. I don't know that much about the other four "civilized tribes" [ or other nations either ], but the Cherokees were mostly mixed blood. I suspect it was very common by 1900 to be of mixed blood in most tribes/nations. Remember also that during that time it was very unfashionable to be "Indian". Many that could pass as white preferred not to admit Indian blood. Vehemently denied it in fact. Large numbers of mixed blood, as well as full blood, people denied their heritage and avoided the Dawes Commission. On 10/20/2011 03:48 PM, donkelly wrote: > My mother Velma Gladys Pruitt was born in Oklahoma 1908 just after statehood. She always said it was Indian territory, and though grandma Pruitt was part Indian, no evidence has been presented to show that her husband Henry Pruitt from Kentucky was part Indian. Another family mystery. > > don > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:40:24 PM > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > December of 1905: > > I recommend that Indian Territory and Oklahoma be admitted as one state > and that New Mexico and Arizona be admitted as one state. There is no > obligation upon, us to treat territorial subdivisions. of convenience > only, as binding us on the question of admission to statehood. Nothing > has taken up more time in the congress during the past few years than > the question as to the statehood to be granted to the four territories > above mentioned, and after careful consideration of all that has been > developed in the discussion of the question, I recommend that they be > immediately admitted as two states. There is no justification for > further delay, and the advisability of making the four territories into > two states has been clearly established. ---Theodore Roosevelt. > > On 10/20/2011 10:55 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: >> I never knew that at the time of the debate over admitting Oklahoma and >> Sequoyah as separate states or a single state, there was also talk of >> combining Arizona and New Mexico territories as one state. Seems that >> some of the congress critters of the day thought that was a good idea. >> Not a very popular idea back in those two territories. >> > > -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb." - Benjamin Franklin - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mom was born outside the nearest fair size town north of Texas. That would be the closest Indian territory to the border with Texas. Mom didn't mention Cherokee, but she did often mention Chickasas. don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billie Walsh" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:45:51 PM Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something Henry may not have been part Indian. From my reading it's pretty obvious that by 1900 it was pretty hard to find a lot of full blood Cherokees. I don't know that much about the other four "civilized tribes" [ or other nations either ], but the Cherokees were mostly mixed blood. I suspect it was very common by 1900 to be of mixed blood in most tribes/nations. Remember also that during that time it was very unfashionable to be "Indian". Many that could pass as white preferred not to admit Indian blood. Vehemently denied it in fact. Large numbers of mixed blood, as well as full blood, people denied their heritage and avoided the Dawes Commission. On 10/20/2011 03:48 PM, donkelly wrote: > My mother Velma Gladys Pruitt was born in Oklahoma 1908 just after statehood. She always said it was Indian territory, and though grandma Pruitt was part Indian, no evidence has been presented to show that her husband Henry Pruitt from Kentucky was part Indian. Another family mystery. > > don > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:40:24 PM > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > December of 1905: > > I recommend that Indian Territory and Oklahoma be admitted as one state > and that New Mexico and Arizona be admitted as one state. There is no > obligation upon, us to treat territorial subdivisions. of convenience > only, as binding us on the question of admission to statehood. Nothing > has taken up more time in the congress during the past few years than > the question as to the statehood to be granted to the four territories > above mentioned, and after careful consideration of all that has been > developed in the discussion of the question, I recommend that they be > immediately admitted as two states. There is no justification for > further delay, and the advisability of making the four territories into > two states has been clearly established. ---Theodore Roosevelt. > > On 10/20/2011 10:55 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: >> I never knew that at the time of the debate over admitting Oklahoma and >> Sequoyah as separate states or a single state, there was also talk of >> combining Arizona and New Mexico territories as one state. Seems that >> some of the congress critters of the day thought that was a good idea. >> Not a very popular idea back in those two territories. >> > > -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb." - Benjamin Franklin - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The one that seems to always bust... ;-)) No, they didn't work on the East Main, Granite did but they may have worked on the AZ Central from the river to Tucson.. Bechtel was also on the central canal. Brown & Root could have also been at Climax, the mine, in Colorado. g On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:32 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> wrote: > You mean the canal that busted and spilled a lot of water last year? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 9:56:00 PM > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > Maybe I put them in the same class then as Granite.. or maybe Brown and > Root > were on the canal here??? > > g > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 9:20 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Head Frames? > > > > No, they built dams and oil refineries and pipelines mostly. > > > > don > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 9:11:30 PM > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > My son's great great grandmother was, off the top of my head, Carrie Love > > who was born in Thackerville. > > > > Brown & Root, did they build head frames? > > > > g > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:51 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Velma Gladys Pruitt born 1908 Thackerville, south of Ardmore, Oklahoma > > > > > > Grandpa Pruitt died in Ardmore in 1917 in an accident while building > the > > > new courthouse. > > > > > > After grandpa was killed, grandma married a Love. Her marriages did not > > > last as she married six times. Her last husband was a Root of the huge > > Brown > > > and Root Construction Company. > > > > > > At one time in the 1980s I worked for that company in Alaska. > > > > > > Small world. > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > > > To: t[email protected] > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 8:38:25 PM > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > What was your mother's name? > > > g > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:33 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > Floy Mable Beebe born 1877 Belton, MO just south of Kansas City. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 7:38:35 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > > > What was your grandmother's maiden name? > > > > > > > > g > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:03 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Not my grandfather Henry Pruitt apparently as he according to > grandma > > > was > > > > a > > > > > workaholic, but his Pruitt brothers and counsins were a rowdy bunch > > > > around > > > > > Ardmore and locals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 6:34:33 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > > > > > Thackerville is Chickasaw. The Loves and Stewarts were from > > > > Thackerville. > > > > > Off the top of my head, but if it is not Garvin Co. it is probably > > > Love > > > > > Co. > > > > > > > > > > g > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Billie Walsh <[email protected] > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > For the most part whites were not allowed to "settle" in Indian > > > > > > Territory by law. They could visit but they weren't allowed to > live > > > > > > there unless they had a tie to the Indians, like married to an > > Indian > > > > > > woman/man. The Chickasaw were one of the "Five Civilized Tribes". > I > > > > > > don't know to much of the Chickasaw history, but I assume it > > > parallels > > > > > > the Cherokee fairly well. Probably by the late 1800's there were > a > > > lot > > > > > > of very well [ college ] educated people in the nation. About the > > > only > > > > > > thing they lacked was a written language of their own. The > Cherokee > > > > were > > > > > > the only ones I know of that did. > > > > > > > > > > > > If she was born in the Chickasaw nation it's very probable she > was > > > > > > Chickasaw. But, there is a chance she could have been Choctaw, > > > Cherokee > > > > > > or any other tribe. There are instances of someone from one > nation > > > > > > living in another. Also many instances of, say, a Choctaw > marrying > > a > > > > > > Chickasaw. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/20/2011 05:52 PM, donkelly wrote: > > > > > > > Also of interest is the 1895 map of the area. There were an > > > > astounding > > > > > > number of labeled towns in the Chickasas Nation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can I assume that most of those towns were built by Indians, OR > > did > > > > the > > > > > > Indians allow white people to come in and build the towns? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "donkelly"<[email protected]> > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 3:37:55 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mom was born outside the nearest fair size town north of Texas. > > > That > > > > > > would be the closest Indian territory to the border with Texas. > Mom > > > > > didn't > > > > > > mention Cherokee, but she did often mention Chickasas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:45:51 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Henry may not have been part Indian. From my reading it's > pretty > > > > > obvious > > > > > > > that by 1900 it was pretty hard to find a lot of full blood > > > > Cherokees. > > > > > I > > > > > > > don't know that much about the other four "civilized tribes" [ > or > > > > other > > > > > > > nations either ], but the Cherokees were mostly mixed blood. I > > > > suspect > > > > > > > it was very common by 1900 to be of mixed blood in most > > > > tribes/nations. > > > > > > > Remember also that during that time it was very unfashionable > to > > be > > > > > > > "Indian". Many that could pass as white preferred not to admit > > > Indian > > > > > > > blood. Vehemently denied it in fact. Large numbers of mixed > > blood, > > > as > > > > > > > well as full blood, people denied their heritage and avoided > the > > > > Dawes > > > > > > > Commission. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/20/2011 03:48 PM, donkelly wrote: > > > > > > >> My mother Velma Gladys Pruitt was born in Oklahoma 1908 just > > after > > > > > > statehood. She always said it was Indian territory, and though > > > grandma > > > > > > Pruitt was part Indian, no evidence has been presented to show > that > > > her > > > > > > husband Henry Pruitt from Kentucky was part Indian. Another > family > > > > > mystery. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> don > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > >> From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > > > > > > >> To: [email protected] > > > > > > >> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:40:24 PM > > > > > > >> Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> December of 1905: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> I recommend that Indian Territory and Oklahoma be admitted as > > one > > > > > state > > > > > > >> and that New Mexico and Arizona be admitted as one state. > There > > is > > > > no > > > > > > >> obligation upon, us to treat territorial subdivisions. of > > > > convenience > > > > > > >> only, as binding us on the question of admission to statehood. > > > > Nothing > > > > > > >> has taken up more time in the congress during the past few > years > > > > than > > > > > > >> the question as to the statehood to be granted to the four > > > > territories > > > > > > >> above mentioned, and after careful consideration of all that > has > > > > been > > > > > > >> developed in the discussion of the question, I recommend that > > they > > > > be > > > > > > >> immediately admitted as two states. There is no justification > > for > > > > > > >> further delay, and the advisability of making the four > > territories > > > > > into > > > > > > >> two states has been clearly established. ---Theodore > Roosevelt. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> On 10/20/2011 10:55 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > > > > > > >>> I never knew that at the time of the debate over admitting > > > Oklahoma > > > > > and > > > > > > >>> Sequoyah as separate states or a single state, there was also > > > talk > > > > of > > > > > > >>> combining Arizona and New Mexico territories as one state. > > Seems > > > > that > > > > > > >>> some of the congress critters of the day thought that was a > > good > > > > > idea. > > > > > > >>> Not a very popular idea back in those two territories. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for > > dinner. > > > > > > Liberty is a well-armed lamb." - Benjamin Franklin - > > > > > > > > > > > > _ _... ..._ _ > > > > > > _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > > quotes > > > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Tschüß, > > > > > Gail > > > > > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't > > > matter > > > > > and those who matter don't mind." > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes > > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes > > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Tschüß, > > > > Gail > > > > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't > > matter > > > > and those who matter don't mind." > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Tschüß, > > > Gail > > > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't > matter > > > and those who matter don't mind." > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Tschüß, > > Gail > > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter > > and those who matter don't mind." > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > -- > Tschüß, > Gail > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter > and those who matter don't mind." > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Tschüß, Gail "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."

Maybe I put them in the same class then as Granite.. or maybe Brown and Root were on the canal here??? g On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 9:20 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> wrote: > Head Frames? > > No, they built dams and oil refineries and pipelines mostly. > > don > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 9:11:30 PM > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > My son's great great grandmother was, off the top of my head, Carrie Love > who was born in Thackerville. > > Brown & Root, did they build head frames? > > g > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:51 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Velma Gladys Pruitt born 1908 Thackerville, south of Ardmore, Oklahoma > > > > Grandpa Pruitt died in Ardmore in 1917 in an accident while building the > > new courthouse. > > > > After grandpa was killed, grandma married a Love. Her marriages did not > > last as she married six times. Her last husband was a Root of the huge > Brown > > and Root Construction Company. > > > > At one time in the 1980s I worked for that company in Alaska. > > > > Small world. > > > > don > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 8:38:25 PM > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > What was your mother's name? > > g > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:33 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Floy Mable Beebe born 1877 Belton, MO just south of Kansas City. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 7:38:35 PM > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > What was your grandmother's maiden name? > > > > > > g > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:03 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > Not my grandfather Henry Pruitt apparently as he according to grandma > > was > > > a > > > > workaholic, but his Pruitt brothers and counsins were a rowdy bunch > > > around > > > > Ardmore and locals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 6:34:33 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > > > Thackerville is Chickasaw. The Loves and Stewarts were from > > > Thackerville. > > > > Off the top of my head, but if it is not Garvin Co. it is probably > > Love > > > > Co. > > > > > > > > g > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Billie Walsh <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > For the most part whites were not allowed to "settle" in Indian > > > > > Territory by law. They could visit but they weren't allowed to live > > > > > there unless they had a tie to the Indians, like married to an > Indian > > > > > woman/man. The Chickasaw were one of the "Five Civilized Tribes". I > > > > > don't know to much of the Chickasaw history, but I assume it > > parallels > > > > > the Cherokee fairly well. Probably by the late 1800's there were a > > lot > > > > > of very well [ college ] educated people in the nation. About the > > only > > > > > thing they lacked was a written language of their own. The Cherokee > > > were > > > > > the only ones I know of that did. > > > > > > > > > > If she was born in the Chickasaw nation it's very probable she was > > > > > Chickasaw. But, there is a chance she could have been Choctaw, > > Cherokee > > > > > or any other tribe. There are instances of someone from one nation > > > > > living in another. Also many instances of, say, a Choctaw marrying > a > > > > > Chickasaw. > > > > > > > > > > On 10/20/2011 05:52 PM, donkelly wrote: > > > > > > Also of interest is the 1895 map of the area. There were an > > > astounding > > > > > number of labeled towns in the Chickasas Nation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Can I assume that most of those towns were built by Indians, OR > did > > > the > > > > > Indians allow white people to come in and build the towns? > > > > > > > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "donkelly"<[email protected]> > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 3:37:55 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > > > > > > > Mom was born outside the nearest fair size town north of Texas. > > That > > > > > would be the closest Indian territory to the border with Texas. Mom > > > > didn't > > > > > mention Cherokee, but she did often mention Chickasas. > > > > > > > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:45:51 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > > > > > > > Henry may not have been part Indian. From my reading it's pretty > > > > obvious > > > > > > that by 1900 it was pretty hard to find a lot of full blood > > > Cherokees. > > > > I > > > > > > don't know that much about the other four "civilized tribes" [ or > > > other > > > > > > nations either ], but the Cherokees were mostly mixed blood. I > > > suspect > > > > > > it was very common by 1900 to be of mixed blood in most > > > tribes/nations. > > > > > > Remember also that during that time it was very unfashionable to > be > > > > > > "Indian". Many that could pass as white preferred not to admit > > Indian > > > > > > blood. Vehemently denied it in fact. Large numbers of mixed > blood, > > as > > > > > > well as full blood, people denied their heritage and avoided the > > > Dawes > > > > > > Commission. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/20/2011 03:48 PM, donkelly wrote: > > > > > >> My mother Velma Gladys Pruitt was born in Oklahoma 1908 just > after > > > > > statehood. She always said it was Indian territory, and though > > grandma > > > > > Pruitt was part Indian, no evidence has been presented to show that > > her > > > > > husband Henry Pruitt from Kentucky was part Indian. Another family > > > > mystery. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> don > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >> From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > > > > > >> To: [email protected] > > > > > >> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:40:24 PM > > > > > >> Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > >> > > > > > >> December of 1905: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I recommend that Indian Territory and Oklahoma be admitted as > one > > > > state > > > > > >> and that New Mexico and Arizona be admitted as one state. There > is > > > no > > > > > >> obligation upon, us to treat territorial subdivisions. of > > > convenience > > > > > >> only, as binding us on the question of admission to statehood. > > > Nothing > > > > > >> has taken up more time in the congress during the past few years > > > than > > > > > >> the question as to the statehood to be granted to the four > > > territories > > > > > >> above mentioned, and after careful consideration of all that has > > > been > > > > > >> developed in the discussion of the question, I recommend that > they > > > be > > > > > >> immediately admitted as two states. There is no justification > for > > > > > >> further delay, and the advisability of making the four > territories > > > > into > > > > > >> two states has been clearly established. ---Theodore Roosevelt. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On 10/20/2011 10:55 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > > > > > >>> I never knew that at the time of the debate over admitting > > Oklahoma > > > > and > > > > > >>> Sequoyah as separate states or a single state, there was also > > talk > > > of > > > > > >>> combining Arizona and New Mexico territories as one state. > Seems > > > that > > > > > >>> some of the congress critters of the day thought that was a > good > > > > idea. > > > > > >>> Not a very popular idea back in those two territories. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for > dinner. > > > > > Liberty is a well-armed lamb." - Benjamin Franklin - > > > > > > > > > > _ _... ..._ _ > > > > > _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes > > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Tschüß, > > > > Gail > > > > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't > > matter > > > > and those who matter don't mind." > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Tschüß, > > > Gail > > > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't > matter > > > and those who matter don't mind." > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Tschüß, > > Gail > > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter > > and those who matter don't mind." > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Tschüß, > Gail > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter > and those who matter don't mind." > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -- Tschüß, Gail "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."

My son's great great grandmother was, off the top of my head, Carrie Love who was born in Thackerville. Brown & Root, did they build head frames? g On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:51 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> wrote: > Velma Gladys Pruitt born 1908 Thackerville, south of Ardmore, Oklahoma > > Grandpa Pruitt died in Ardmore in 1917 in an accident while building the > new courthouse. > > After grandpa was killed, grandma married a Love. Her marriages did not > last as she married six times. Her last husband was a Root of the huge Brown > and Root Construction Company. > > At one time in the 1980s I worked for that company in Alaska. > > Small world. > > don > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 8:38:25 PM > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > What was your mother's name? > g > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:33 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Floy Mable Beebe born 1877 Belton, MO just south of Kansas City. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 7:38:35 PM > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > What was your grandmother's maiden name? > > > > g > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:03 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Not my grandfather Henry Pruitt apparently as he according to grandma > was > > a > > > workaholic, but his Pruitt brothers and counsins were a rowdy bunch > > around > > > Ardmore and locals. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 6:34:33 PM > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > Thackerville is Chickasaw. The Loves and Stewarts were from > > Thackerville. > > > Off the top of my head, but if it is not Garvin Co. it is probably > Love > > > Co. > > > > > > g > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Billie Walsh <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > For the most part whites were not allowed to "settle" in Indian > > > > Territory by law. They could visit but they weren't allowed to live > > > > there unless they had a tie to the Indians, like married to an Indian > > > > woman/man. The Chickasaw were one of the "Five Civilized Tribes". I > > > > don't know to much of the Chickasaw history, but I assume it > parallels > > > > the Cherokee fairly well. Probably by the late 1800's there were a > lot > > > > of very well [ college ] educated people in the nation. About the > only > > > > thing they lacked was a written language of their own. The Cherokee > > were > > > > the only ones I know of that did. > > > > > > > > If she was born in the Chickasaw nation it's very probable she was > > > > Chickasaw. But, there is a chance she could have been Choctaw, > Cherokee > > > > or any other tribe. There are instances of someone from one nation > > > > living in another. Also many instances of, say, a Choctaw marrying a > > > > Chickasaw. > > > > > > > > On 10/20/2011 05:52 PM, donkelly wrote: > > > > > Also of interest is the 1895 map of the area. There were an > > astounding > > > > number of labeled towns in the Chickasas Nation. > > > > > > > > > > Can I assume that most of those towns were built by Indians, OR did > > the > > > > Indians allow white people to come in and build the towns? > > > > > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "donkelly"<[email protected]> > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 3:37:55 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > > > > > Mom was born outside the nearest fair size town north of Texas. > That > > > > would be the closest Indian territory to the border with Texas. Mom > > > didn't > > > > mention Cherokee, but she did often mention Chickasas. > > > > > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:45:51 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > > > > > Henry may not have been part Indian. From my reading it's pretty > > > obvious > > > > > that by 1900 it was pretty hard to find a lot of full blood > > Cherokees. > > > I > > > > > don't know that much about the other four "civilized tribes" [ or > > other > > > > > nations either ], but the Cherokees were mostly mixed blood. I > > suspect > > > > > it was very common by 1900 to be of mixed blood in most > > tribes/nations. > > > > > Remember also that during that time it was very unfashionable to be > > > > > "Indian". Many that could pass as white preferred not to admit > Indian > > > > > blood. Vehemently denied it in fact. Large numbers of mixed blood, > as > > > > > well as full blood, people denied their heritage and avoided the > > Dawes > > > > > Commission. > > > > > > > > > > On 10/20/2011 03:48 PM, donkelly wrote: > > > > >> My mother Velma Gladys Pruitt was born in Oklahoma 1908 just after > > > > statehood. She always said it was Indian territory, and though > grandma > > > > Pruitt was part Indian, no evidence has been presented to show that > her > > > > husband Henry Pruitt from Kentucky was part Indian. Another family > > > mystery. > > > > >> > > > > >> don > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > > > > >> To: [email protected] > > > > >> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:40:24 PM > > > > >> Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > >> > > > > >> December of 1905: > > > > >> > > > > >> I recommend that Indian Territory and Oklahoma be admitted as one > > > state > > > > >> and that New Mexico and Arizona be admitted as one state. There is > > no > > > > >> obligation upon, us to treat territorial subdivisions. of > > convenience > > > > >> only, as binding us on the question of admission to statehood. > > Nothing > > > > >> has taken up more time in the congress during the past few years > > than > > > > >> the question as to the statehood to be granted to the four > > territories > > > > >> above mentioned, and after careful consideration of all that has > > been > > > > >> developed in the discussion of the question, I recommend that they > > be > > > > >> immediately admitted as two states. There is no justification for > > > > >> further delay, and the advisability of making the four territories > > > into > > > > >> two states has been clearly established. ---Theodore Roosevelt. > > > > >> > > > > >> On 10/20/2011 10:55 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > > > > >>> I never knew that at the time of the debate over admitting > Oklahoma > > > and > > > > >>> Sequoyah as separate states or a single state, there was also > talk > > of > > > > >>> combining Arizona and New Mexico territories as one state. Seems > > that > > > > >>> some of the congress critters of the day thought that was a good > > > idea. > > > > >>> Not a very popular idea back in those two territories. > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. > > > > Liberty is a well-armed lamb." - Benjamin Franklin - > > > > > > > > _ _... ..._ _ > > > > _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Tschüß, > > > Gail > > > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't > matter > > > and those who matter don't mind." > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Tschüß, > > Gail > > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter > > and those who matter don't mind." > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Tschüß, > Gail > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter > and those who matter don't mind." > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Tschüß, Gail "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."

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My mother Velma Gladys Pruitt was born in Oklahoma 1908 just after statehood. She always said it was Indian territory, and though grandma Pruitt was part Indian, no evidence has been presented to show that her husband Henry Pruitt from Kentucky was part Indian. Another family mystery. don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billie Walsh" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:40:24 PM Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something December of 1905: I recommend that Indian Territory and Oklahoma be admitted as one state and that New Mexico and Arizona be admitted as one state. There is no obligation upon, us to treat territorial subdivisions. of convenience only, as binding us on the question of admission to statehood. Nothing has taken up more time in the congress during the past few years than the question as to the statehood to be granted to the four territories above mentioned, and after careful consideration of all that has been developed in the discussion of the question, I recommend that they be immediately admitted as two states. There is no justification for further delay, and the advisability of making the four territories into two states has been clearly established. ---Theodore Roosevelt. On 10/20/2011 10:55 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > I never knew that at the time of the debate over admitting Oklahoma and > Sequoyah as separate states or a single state, there was also talk of > combining Arizona and New Mexico territories as one state. Seems that > some of the congress critters of the day thought that was a good idea. > Not a very popular idea back in those two territories. > -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb." - Benjamin Franklin - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What was your mother's name? g On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:33 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> wrote: > Floy Mable Beebe born 1877 Belton, MO just south of Kansas City. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 7:38:35 PM > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > What was your grandmother's maiden name? > > g > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:03 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Not my grandfather Henry Pruitt apparently as he according to grandma was > a > > workaholic, but his Pruitt brothers and counsins were a rowdy bunch > around > > Ardmore and locals. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 6:34:33 PM > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > Thackerville is Chickasaw. The Loves and Stewarts were from > Thackerville. > > Off the top of my head, but if it is not Garvin Co. it is probably Love > > Co. > > > > g > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Billie Walsh <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > For the most part whites were not allowed to "settle" in Indian > > > Territory by law. They could visit but they weren't allowed to live > > > there unless they had a tie to the Indians, like married to an Indian > > > woman/man. The Chickasaw were one of the "Five Civilized Tribes". I > > > don't know to much of the Chickasaw history, but I assume it parallels > > > the Cherokee fairly well. Probably by the late 1800's there were a lot > > > of very well [ college ] educated people in the nation. About the only > > > thing they lacked was a written language of their own. The Cherokee > were > > > the only ones I know of that did. > > > > > > If she was born in the Chickasaw nation it's very probable she was > > > Chickasaw. But, there is a chance she could have been Choctaw, Cherokee > > > or any other tribe. There are instances of someone from one nation > > > living in another. Also many instances of, say, a Choctaw marrying a > > > Chickasaw. > > > > > > On 10/20/2011 05:52 PM, donkelly wrote: > > > > Also of interest is the 1895 map of the area. There were an > astounding > > > number of labeled towns in the Chickasas Nation. > > > > > > > > Can I assume that most of those towns were built by Indians, OR did > the > > > Indians allow white people to come in and build the towns? > > > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "donkelly"<[email protected]> > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 3:37:55 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > > > Mom was born outside the nearest fair size town north of Texas. That > > > would be the closest Indian territory to the border with Texas. Mom > > didn't > > > mention Cherokee, but she did often mention Chickasas. > > > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:45:51 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > > > Henry may not have been part Indian. From my reading it's pretty > > obvious > > > > that by 1900 it was pretty hard to find a lot of full blood > Cherokees. > > I > > > > don't know that much about the other four "civilized tribes" [ or > other > > > > nations either ], but the Cherokees were mostly mixed blood. I > suspect > > > > it was very common by 1900 to be of mixed blood in most > tribes/nations. > > > > Remember also that during that time it was very unfashionable to be > > > > "Indian". Many that could pass as white preferred not to admit Indian > > > > blood. Vehemently denied it in fact. Large numbers of mixed blood, as > > > > well as full blood, people denied their heritage and avoided the > Dawes > > > > Commission. > > > > > > > > On 10/20/2011 03:48 PM, donkelly wrote: > > > >> My mother Velma Gladys Pruitt was born in Oklahoma 1908 just after > > > statehood. She always said it was Indian territory, and though grandma > > > Pruitt was part Indian, no evidence has been presented to show that her > > > husband Henry Pruitt from Kentucky was part Indian. Another family > > mystery. > > > >> > > > >> don > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > > > >> To: [email protected] > > > >> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:40:24 PM > > > >> Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > >> > > > >> December of 1905: > > > >> > > > >> I recommend that Indian Territory and Oklahoma be admitted as one > > state > > > >> and that New Mexico and Arizona be admitted as one state. There is > no > > > >> obligation upon, us to treat territorial subdivisions. of > convenience > > > >> only, as binding us on the question of admission to statehood. > Nothing > > > >> has taken up more time in the congress during the past few years > than > > > >> the question as to the statehood to be granted to the four > territories > > > >> above mentioned, and after careful consideration of all that has > been > > > >> developed in the discussion of the question, I recommend that they > be > > > >> immediately admitted as two states. There is no justification for > > > >> further delay, and the advisability of making the four territories > > into > > > >> two states has been clearly established. ---Theodore Roosevelt. > > > >> > > > >> On 10/20/2011 10:55 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > > > >>> I never knew that at the time of the debate over admitting Oklahoma > > and > > > >>> Sequoyah as separate states or a single state, there was also talk > of > > > >>> combining Arizona and New Mexico territories as one state. Seems > that > > > >>> some of the congress critters of the day thought that was a good > > idea. > > > >>> Not a very popular idea back in those two territories. > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. > > > Liberty is a well-armed lamb." - Benjamin Franklin - > > > > > > _ _... ..._ _ > > > _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Tschüß, > > Gail > > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter > > and those who matter don't mind." > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Tschüß, > Gail > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter > and those who matter don't mind." > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Tschüß, Gail "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."

For the most part whites were not allowed to "settle" in Indian Territory by law. They could visit but they weren't allowed to live there unless they had a tie to the Indians, like married to an Indian woman/man. The Chickasaw were one of the "Five Civilized Tribes". I don't know to much of the Chickasaw history, but I assume it parallels the Cherokee fairly well. Probably by the late 1800's there were a lot of very well [ college ] educated people in the nation. About the only thing they lacked was a written language of their own. The Cherokee were the only ones I know of that did. If she was born in the Chickasaw nation it's very probable she was Chickasaw. But, there is a chance she could have been Choctaw, Cherokee or any other tribe. There are instances of someone from one nation living in another. Also many instances of, say, a Choctaw marrying a Chickasaw. On 10/20/2011 05:52 PM, donkelly wrote: > Also of interest is the 1895 map of the area. There were an astounding number of labeled towns in the Chickasas Nation. > > Can I assume that most of those towns were built by Indians, OR did the Indians allow white people to come in and build the towns? > > don > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "donkelly"<[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 3:37:55 PM > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > Mom was born outside the nearest fair size town north of Texas. That would be the closest Indian territory to the border with Texas. Mom didn't mention Cherokee, but she did often mention Chickasas. > > don > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:45:51 PM > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > Henry may not have been part Indian. From my reading it's pretty obvious > that by 1900 it was pretty hard to find a lot of full blood Cherokees. I > don't know that much about the other four "civilized tribes" [ or other > nations either ], but the Cherokees were mostly mixed blood. I suspect > it was very common by 1900 to be of mixed blood in most tribes/nations. > Remember also that during that time it was very unfashionable to be > "Indian". Many that could pass as white preferred not to admit Indian > blood. Vehemently denied it in fact. Large numbers of mixed blood, as > well as full blood, people denied their heritage and avoided the Dawes > Commission. > > On 10/20/2011 03:48 PM, donkelly wrote: >> My mother Velma Gladys Pruitt was born in Oklahoma 1908 just after statehood. She always said it was Indian territory, and though grandma Pruitt was part Indian, no evidence has been presented to show that her husband Henry Pruitt from Kentucky was part Indian. Another family mystery. >> >> don >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:40:24 PM >> Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something >> >> December of 1905: >> >> I recommend that Indian Territory and Oklahoma be admitted as one state >> and that New Mexico and Arizona be admitted as one state. There is no >> obligation upon, us to treat territorial subdivisions. of convenience >> only, as binding us on the question of admission to statehood. Nothing >> has taken up more time in the congress during the past few years than >> the question as to the statehood to be granted to the four territories >> above mentioned, and after careful consideration of all that has been >> developed in the discussion of the question, I recommend that they be >> immediately admitted as two states. There is no justification for >> further delay, and the advisability of making the four territories into >> two states has been clearly established. ---Theodore Roosevelt. >> >> On 10/20/2011 10:55 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: >>> I never knew that at the time of the debate over admitting Oklahoma and >>> Sequoyah as separate states or a single state, there was also talk of >>> combining Arizona and New Mexico territories as one state. Seems that >>> some of the congress critters of the day thought that was a good idea. >>> Not a very popular idea back in those two territories. >>> >> >> > > -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb." - Benjamin Franklin - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._

Sure does. don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billie Walsh" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 11:57:10 AM Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something Human nature. Fulfills our sense of "tribe". On 10/20/2011 12:25 PM, donkelly wrote: > Historically right on target Billie. Why is it that gives most Americans comfort in having their own little state flag to wave during parades? > > donkelly > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > To: "Trails To The Past"<[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 8:55:29 AM > Subject: [TTTP] Learned something > > I never knew that at the time of the debate over admitting Oklahoma and > Sequoyah as separate states or a single state, there was also talk of > combining Arizona and New Mexico territories as one state. Seems that > some of the congress critters of the day thought that was a good idea. > Not a very popular idea back in those two territories. > -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb." - Benjamin Franklin - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What was your grandmother's maiden name? g On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:03 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> wrote: > Not my grandfather Henry Pruitt apparently as he according to grandma was a > workaholic, but his Pruitt brothers and counsins were a rowdy bunch around > Ardmore and locals. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 6:34:33 PM > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > Thackerville is Chickasaw. The Loves and Stewarts were from Thackerville. > Off the top of my head, but if it is not Garvin Co. it is probably Love > Co. > > g > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Billie Walsh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > For the most part whites were not allowed to "settle" in Indian > > Territory by law. They could visit but they weren't allowed to live > > there unless they had a tie to the Indians, like married to an Indian > > woman/man. The Chickasaw were one of the "Five Civilized Tribes". I > > don't know to much of the Chickasaw history, but I assume it parallels > > the Cherokee fairly well. Probably by the late 1800's there were a lot > > of very well [ college ] educated people in the nation. About the only > > thing they lacked was a written language of their own. The Cherokee were > > the only ones I know of that did. > > > > If she was born in the Chickasaw nation it's very probable she was > > Chickasaw. But, there is a chance she could have been Choctaw, Cherokee > > or any other tribe. There are instances of someone from one nation > > living in another. Also many instances of, say, a Choctaw marrying a > > Chickasaw. > > > > On 10/20/2011 05:52 PM, donkelly wrote: > > > Also of interest is the 1895 map of the area. There were an astounding > > number of labeled towns in the Chickasas Nation. > > > > > > Can I assume that most of those towns were built by Indians, OR did the > > Indians allow white people to come in and build the towns? > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "donkelly"<[email protected]> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 3:37:55 PM > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > Mom was born outside the nearest fair size town north of Texas. That > > would be the closest Indian territory to the border with Texas. Mom > didn't > > mention Cherokee, but she did often mention Chickasas. > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:45:51 PM > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > Henry may not have been part Indian. From my reading it's pretty > obvious > > > that by 1900 it was pretty hard to find a lot of full blood Cherokees. > I > > > don't know that much about the other four "civilized tribes" [ or other > > > nations either ], but the Cherokees were mostly mixed blood. I suspect > > > it was very common by 1900 to be of mixed blood in most tribes/nations. > > > Remember also that during that time it was very unfashionable to be > > > "Indian". Many that could pass as white preferred not to admit Indian > > > blood. Vehemently denied it in fact. Large numbers of mixed blood, as > > > well as full blood, people denied their heritage and avoided the Dawes > > > Commission. > > > > > > On 10/20/2011 03:48 PM, donkelly wrote: > > >> My mother Velma Gladys Pruitt was born in Oklahoma 1908 just after > > statehood. She always said it was Indian territory, and though grandma > > Pruitt was part Indian, no evidence has been presented to show that her > > husband Henry Pruitt from Kentucky was part Indian. Another family > mystery. > > >> > > >> don > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > > >> To: [email protected] > > >> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:40:24 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > >> > > >> December of 1905: > > >> > > >> I recommend that Indian Territory and Oklahoma be admitted as one > state > > >> and that New Mexico and Arizona be admitted as one state. There is no > > >> obligation upon, us to treat territorial subdivisions. of convenience > > >> only, as binding us on the question of admission to statehood. Nothing > > >> has taken up more time in the congress during the past few years than > > >> the question as to the statehood to be granted to the four territories > > >> above mentioned, and after careful consideration of all that has been > > >> developed in the discussion of the question, I recommend that they be > > >> immediately admitted as two states. There is no justification for > > >> further delay, and the advisability of making the four territories > into > > >> two states has been clearly established. ---Theodore Roosevelt. > > >> > > >> On 10/20/2011 10:55 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > > >>> I never knew that at the time of the debate over admitting Oklahoma > and > > >>> Sequoyah as separate states or a single state, there was also talk of > > >>> combining Arizona and New Mexico territories as one state. Seems that > > >>> some of the congress critters of the day thought that was a good > idea. > > >>> Not a very popular idea back in those two territories. > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. > > Liberty is a well-armed lamb." - Benjamin Franklin - > > > > _ _... ..._ _ > > _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Tschüß, > Gail > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter > and those who matter don't mind." > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Tschüß, Gail "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."

I feel so blessed to have been given all of this data. This isn't data from other projects, but the actual documents. The bios are ones that she had put together from the data she collected. That it can be used to help build Trails makes it truly special. As I was typing all of the death records in Bradford, Vermont, to me, they seemed to read like a family bible -- but yet they were the actual log of the death records. I'm going to look through some of the stuff I already put in to see if, by any chance, I may have missed some others. However, I'm going to move onto another one of the binders. I can always come back later and see if anything was missed. I know that some of these families were in Iowa, Illinois, Ohio, Minnesota and California. So I would like to get as much of this available for Trails so that our project can grow. I am off to see where to go next.... Jeanne/jmh --- On Thu, 10/20/11, Familytwigs <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Familytwigs <[email protected]> > Subject: [TTTP] Thanks jmh > To: [email protected] > Date: Thursday, October 20, 2011, 4:15 PM > Jeanne, > > Thanks!  I am a little slow and I'm sorry about > that.  Been under the > weather a bit.  But I have the Vermont data online > now.  Did a little > rearranging on the front page, putting Ray on his own > page.  I have to > get the new code on Vermont still for Rays site. > > I still have to link everything up in Massachusetts before > it is > online.  I should have it done and "live" tonight, but > it depends on > how I am feeling later. > > Thanks! > > -- > Sheri > FamilyTwigs <http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~familytwigs/> > TwigTalk  <http://familytwigs.blogspot.com/> > Indiana Trails To The Past <http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Eintttp/> SA > Jackson County <http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Einjacktp/>Trails To The > Past > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Thackerville is Chickasaw. The Loves and Stewarts were from Thackerville. Off the top of my head, but if it is not Garvin Co. it is probably Love Co. g On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Billie Walsh <[email protected]> wrote: > For the most part whites were not allowed to "settle" in Indian > Territory by law. They could visit but they weren't allowed to live > there unless they had a tie to the Indians, like married to an Indian > woman/man. The Chickasaw were one of the "Five Civilized Tribes". I > don't know to much of the Chickasaw history, but I assume it parallels > the Cherokee fairly well. Probably by the late 1800's there were a lot > of very well [ college ] educated people in the nation. About the only > thing they lacked was a written language of their own. The Cherokee were > the only ones I know of that did. > > If she was born in the Chickasaw nation it's very probable she was > Chickasaw. But, there is a chance she could have been Choctaw, Cherokee > or any other tribe. There are instances of someone from one nation > living in another. Also many instances of, say, a Choctaw marrying a > Chickasaw. > > On 10/20/2011 05:52 PM, donkelly wrote: > > Also of interest is the 1895 map of the area. There were an astounding > number of labeled towns in the Chickasas Nation. > > > > Can I assume that most of those towns were built by Indians, OR did the > Indians allow white people to come in and build the towns? > > > > don > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "donkelly"<[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 3:37:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > Mom was born outside the nearest fair size town north of Texas. That > would be the closest Indian territory to the border with Texas. Mom didn't > mention Cherokee, but she did often mention Chickasas. > > > > don > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:45:51 PM > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > Henry may not have been part Indian. From my reading it's pretty obvious > > that by 1900 it was pretty hard to find a lot of full blood Cherokees. I > > don't know that much about the other four "civilized tribes" [ or other > > nations either ], but the Cherokees were mostly mixed blood. I suspect > > it was very common by 1900 to be of mixed blood in most tribes/nations. > > Remember also that during that time it was very unfashionable to be > > "Indian". Many that could pass as white preferred not to admit Indian > > blood. Vehemently denied it in fact. Large numbers of mixed blood, as > > well as full blood, people denied their heritage and avoided the Dawes > > Commission. > > > > On 10/20/2011 03:48 PM, donkelly wrote: > >> My mother Velma Gladys Pruitt was born in Oklahoma 1908 just after > statehood. She always said it was Indian territory, and though grandma > Pruitt was part Indian, no evidence has been presented to show that her > husband Henry Pruitt from Kentucky was part Indian. Another family mystery. > >> > >> don > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > >> To: [email protected] > >> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:40:24 PM > >> Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > >> > >> December of 1905: > >> > >> I recommend that Indian Territory and Oklahoma be admitted as one state > >> and that New Mexico and Arizona be admitted as one state. There is no > >> obligation upon, us to treat territorial subdivisions. of convenience > >> only, as binding us on the question of admission to statehood. Nothing > >> has taken up more time in the congress during the past few years than > >> the question as to the statehood to be granted to the four territories > >> above mentioned, and after careful consideration of all that has been > >> developed in the discussion of the question, I recommend that they be > >> immediately admitted as two states. There is no justification for > >> further delay, and the advisability of making the four territories into > >> two states has been clearly established. ---Theodore Roosevelt. > >> > >> On 10/20/2011 10:55 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > >>> I never knew that at the time of the debate over admitting Oklahoma and > >>> Sequoyah as separate states or a single state, there was also talk of > >>> combining Arizona and New Mexico territories as one state. Seems that > >>> some of the congress critters of the day thought that was a good idea. > >>> Not a very popular idea back in those two territories. > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > > -- > > "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. > Liberty is a well-armed lamb." - Benjamin Franklin - > > _ _... ..._ _ > _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Tschüß, Gail "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."

I have a list of names of people who died in coal mining fields in Franklin County, Arkansas. I also have a large website for the same county. donkelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 11:22:06 AM Subject: Re: [TTTP] Mining Accidents I thought that was weird too. Especially at the Denver library. Not right off hand other than that site called gen disasters that takes info from the old newspapers. I didn't keep looking but will get back to that again. g On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 5:37 AM, Jen Baldwin <[email protected]> wrote: > Mornin' Gail, > I notice Colorado isn't on that list... do you know some other nifty link? > > ~ Jen > > > On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 11:24 PM, Gail Kilgore <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > > http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm4/browse.php?CISOROOT=%2Fp16079coll16 > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > *Jen* > > > > *Will you help me fight to end breast cancer forever? Ask me how to make a > donation to any of the major, national organizations raising money to find > a > cure. Support me as I walk, snowshoe, snowboard, and anything else I can do > to end this. I want my daughter to read about it in a history book - not in > her medical chart. * > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Tschüß, Gail "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Historically right on target Billie. Why is it that gives most Americans comfort in having their own little state flag to wave during parades? donkelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billie Walsh" <[email protected]> To: "Trails To The Past" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 8:55:29 AM Subject: [TTTP] Learned something I never knew that at the time of the debate over admitting Oklahoma and Sequoyah as separate states or a single state, there was also talk of combining Arizona and New Mexico territories as one state. Seems that some of the congress critters of the day thought that was a good idea. Not a very popular idea back in those two territories. -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb." - Benjamin Franklin - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Henry may not have been part Indian. From my reading it's pretty obvious that by 1900 it was pretty hard to find a lot of full blood Cherokees. I don't know that much about the other four "civilized tribes" [ or other nations either ], but the Cherokees were mostly mixed blood. I suspect it was very common by 1900 to be of mixed blood in most tribes/nations. Remember also that during that time it was very unfashionable to be "Indian". Many that could pass as white preferred not to admit Indian blood. Vehemently denied it in fact. Large numbers of mixed blood, as well as full blood, people denied their heritage and avoided the Dawes Commission. On 10/20/2011 03:48 PM, donkelly wrote: > My mother Velma Gladys Pruitt was born in Oklahoma 1908 just after statehood. She always said it was Indian territory, and though grandma Pruitt was part Indian, no evidence has been presented to show that her husband Henry Pruitt from Kentucky was part Indian. Another family mystery. > > don > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:40:24 PM > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > December of 1905: > > I recommend that Indian Territory and Oklahoma be admitted as one state > and that New Mexico and Arizona be admitted as one state. There is no > obligation upon, us to treat territorial subdivisions. of convenience > only, as binding us on the question of admission to statehood. Nothing > has taken up more time in the congress during the past few years than > the question as to the statehood to be granted to the four territories > above mentioned, and after careful consideration of all that has been > developed in the discussion of the question, I recommend that they be > immediately admitted as two states. There is no justification for > further delay, and the advisability of making the four territories into > two states has been clearly established. ---Theodore Roosevelt. > > On 10/20/2011 10:55 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: >> I never knew that at the time of the debate over admitting Oklahoma and >> Sequoyah as separate states or a single state, there was also talk of >> combining Arizona and New Mexico territories as one state. Seems that >> some of the congress critters of the day thought that was a good idea. >> Not a very popular idea back in those two territories. >> > > -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb." - Benjamin Franklin - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._