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    1. Re: [TTTP] Need Styles Help
    2. James Albro

    3. Hi Don, Just leave out the <body> tag. The browser will insert one if it can't find it, but, the rootsweb software keeps on looking all the way to the bottom of the page. Don't think Rootsweb likes it much though. Hee Hee Jim in Florida www.albrogenealogy.com On 10/25/2011 1:11 PM, donkelly wrote: > How do you move the banner to the bottom of the page? Is it a simple cut-n-past inside the body arguements? > > don > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Albro"<[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:09:02 AM > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Need Styles Help > > Hi Billie, > Glad you got er working, but, to answer your question, yes, > personally, I've had at least one instance where I had to make an > allowance for the rootsweb banners. Don't know if anyone else has had > any problems. > > Jim in Florida > www.albrogenealogy.com > > > On 10/25/2011 10:49 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: >> I have a problem with some styles on some pages. >> >> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wytttp/converse/bios/conversebios1.htm#ayresa >> >> Locally they show fine but when I access them from Rootsweb the margins >> don't show. They run from window edge to window edge instead of leaving >> some white space. >> >> Is there something in Rootsweb that stops this from working? >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    10/25/2011 08:37:00
    1. Re: [TTTP] Need Styles Help
    2. James Albro

    3. Hi Billie, Glad you got er working, but, to answer your question, yes, personally, I've had at least one instance where I had to make an allowance for the rootsweb banners. Don't know if anyone else has had any problems. Jim in Florida www.albrogenealogy.com On 10/25/2011 10:49 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > I have a problem with some styles on some pages. > > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wytttp/converse/bios/conversebios1.htm#ayresa > > Locally they show fine but when I access them from Rootsweb the margins > don't show. They run from window edge to window edge instead of leaving > some white space. > > Is there something in Rootsweb that stops this from working? >

    10/25/2011 07:09:02
    1. Re: [TTTP] Need Styles Help
    2. Billie Walsh

    3. Never mind. I figured out how to fix it. Still learning how to work with styles. Some days it feels like an uphill battle. On 10/25/2011 09:49 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > I have a problem with some styles on some pages. > > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wytttp/converse/bios/conversebios1.htm#ayresa > > Locally they show fine but when I access them from Rootsweb the margins > don't show. They run from window edge to window edge instead of leaving > some white space. > > Is there something in Rootsweb that stops this from working? > -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb." - Benjamin Franklin - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._

    10/25/2011 04:11:04
    1. [TTTP] Need Styles Help
    2. Billie Walsh

    3. I have a problem with some styles on some pages. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wytttp/converse/bios/conversebios1.htm#ayresa Locally they show fine but when I access them from Rootsweb the margins don't show. They run from window edge to window edge instead of leaving some white space. Is there something in Rootsweb that stops this from working? -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb." - Benjamin Franklin - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._

    10/25/2011 03:49:07
    1. [TTTP] Fw: Fwd: [KYBARREN] Glenna Charlyne OGDEN - 29 Nov 1931 - 9 Oct 2011, age 79 FL KY
    2. Sammie jean gregory Fairchild

    3. ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Jeannie Gregory <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:37 PM Subject: Fwd: [KYBARREN] Glenna Charlyne OGDEN - 29 Nov 1931 - 9 Oct 2011, age 79 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:33 AM Subject: [KYBARREN] Glenna Charlyne OGDEN - 29 Nov 1931 - 9 Oct 2011, age 79 To: [email protected] This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: sgorin Surnames: Ogden, Bunch, Williams, Franks, Rice, Isaacs, West, Shockley, Furlong, Lyons, Gray Classification: obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.kentucky.counties.barren/21137/mb.ashx Message Board Post: NOTE: I have no connection, no further information and am not seeking additional information. GROVELAND, FL - Glenna Charlyne Ogden [photo], 79, died Sunday, Oct. 9, 2011 in Groveland, FL. She as born Nov. 29, 1931 in Barren County, the third out of six daughters, of the late Charlie Howard Bunch and the late Flossie Victories Williams Bunch. Survivors include her husband, Carl Bruce Ogden. Charlyne graduated from Glasgow High School in May, 1950, and on June 29, 1950, she and Bruce were married at Glasgow Baptist Church. They lived their 61 years together in Groveland and Orlando. She is also survived by four children, Julie Ann Franks, Carl Bruce Ogden Jr. and wife Candace, Nora Sue Rice and husband Jeff, and Betsy Kay Isaacs. Also surviving are six grandchildren and one great-granddaughter. Five sisters also survive, Ruth Geneva West, Hartwell, GA; Sarah Frances Shockley, Bowling Green, Ky., Nettie Pearl Furlong, Glasgow, Ky., Betty Lyons and husband Earl, of Lutz, Fla. and Lucy Porter Gray and husband Marshall, of Austin, Ky. Also surviving are many nieces, nephews, cousins and friends. In addition to her parents, she was preceded in death by an infant daughter, Glenna Carol Ogden and locally by two brothers-in-law, Wallace Shockley and William Thomas Furlong. She was a faithful member of First Baptist Church of Orlando. She was a loving wife, mother, daughter, sister, aunt and friend. She will be missed by many. Memorial services will be in Florida at a later date. Glasgow (KY) Daily Times, Wednesday, 19 Oct 2011, p. A3 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message GROVELAND, FL - Glenna Charlyne Ogden [photo], 79, died Sunday, Oct. 9, 2011 in Groveland, FL. She as born Nov. 29, 1931 in Barren County, the third out of six daughters, of the late Charlie Howard Bunch and the late Flossie Victories Williams Bunch. Survivors include her husband, Carl Bruce Ogden. Charlyne graduated from Glasgow High School in May, 1950, and on June 29, 1950, she and Bruce were married at Glasgow Baptist Church. They lived their 61 years together in Groveland and Orlando. She is also survived by four children, Julie Ann Franks, Carl Bruce Ogden Jr. and wife Candace, Nora Sue Rice and husband Jeff, and Betsy Kay Isaacs. Also surviving are six grandchildren and one great-granddaughter. Five sisters also survive, Ruth Geneva West, Hartwell, GA; Sarah Frances Shockley, Bowling Green, Ky., Nettie Pearl Furlong, Glasgow, Ky., Betty Lyons and husband Earl, of Lutz, Fla. and Lucy Porter Gray and husband Marshall, of Austin, Ky. Also surviving are many nieces, nephews, cousins and friends. In addition to her parents, she was preceded in death by an infant daughter, Glenna Carol Ogden and locally by two brothers-in-law, Wallace Shockley and William Thomas Furlong. She was a faithful member of First Baptist Church of Orlando. She was a loving wife, mother, daughter, sister, aunt and friend. She will be missed by many. Memorial services will be in Florida at a later date. Glasgow (KY) Daily Times, Wednesday, 19 Oct 2011, p. A3 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    10/22/2011 01:42:23
    1. [TTTP] Fw: Fwd: [KYPERRY] OBIT Edith Carroll Vest 1935-2010 fl, ky, IN TX VA OH
    2. Sammie jean gregory Fairchild

    3. ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Jeannie Gregory <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:36 PM Subject: Fwd: [KYPERRY] OBIT Edith Carroll Vest 1935-2010 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:26 PM Subject: [KYPERRY] OBIT Edith Carroll Vest 1935-2010 To: [email protected] This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Kandy_BackAgee Surnames: Carroll, York, Vest Classification: obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.kentucky.counties.perry/5317/mb.ashx Message Board Post: NOTE: I DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS INDIVIDUAL. JUST POSTING THE OBITUARY ON EDITH VEST FROM THE DAYTON (OH) DAILY NEWS 12/8/10 Edith Carroll Vest, age 75 of New Port Richey, FL and formerly of West Elkton, OH died December 4, 2010 in Florida. Born on April 11, 1935 in Hardburly, KY she was the daughter of the late Joseph & Essie (York) Carroll. Edith was a member of the American Legion Auxiliary in Bluffton, IN. Preceded in death by her husband of 41 years, Elza L. Vest on April 5, 2008; brothers, Eugene Carroll, SFC Joe Carroll, Jr., Everet Carroll and Carl Carroll; sister, Mary Vanover. Survivors, son & daughter-in-law, Nicholas (Nick) & Joy George II of Fort Worth, TX; daughters, Shelley G. George and Kelley George both of New Port Richey, FL.; Other family: Todd Vest of Hayes, VA; Steve Vest of Peebles, OH; Linda Smith of Germantown, OH; Sue Gauldin of West Carrollton, OH and Leila Denny of Germantown, OH.; sisters, Dorothy Singleton of Ottawa, OH, Mildred Jamison of Peebles, OH, Lois Gilbert of New Carlisle, OH and Doris Gore of Bluffton, IN; brother, Chester Carroll of Dayton, OH; several gran!  dchildren and several great grandchildren. Funeral service will be 11:00 AM December 11, 2010 at Higher Heights Church of God, 8111 U.S. Route 127 South, Camden, OH with Rev. Trevor Bridgeford officiating. Interment will be in Fairmount Cemetery, Camden, OH. Family will receive friends on December 10, 2010 from at 5:00 to 8:00 PM at the church. Arrangements entrusted to Nein - Barnes Funeral Home, 249 North Main Street - Camden, Ohio. Online condolences may be sent to www.barnesfuneralhome.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message New Port Richey, FL and formerly of West Elkton, OH died December 4, 2010 in Florida. Born on April 11, 1935 in Hardburly, KY she was the daughter of the late Joseph & Essie (York) Carroll. Edith was a member of the American Legion Auxiliary in Bluffton, IN. Preceded in death by her husband of 41 years, Elza L. Vest on April 5, 2008; brothers, Eugene Carroll, SFC Joe Carroll, Jr., Everet Carroll and Carl Carroll; sister, Mary Vanover. Survivors, son & daughter-in-law, Nicholas (Nick) & Joy George II of Fort Worth, TX; daughters, Shelley G. George and Kelley George both of New Port Richey, FL.; Other family: Todd Vest of Hayes, VA; Steve Vest of Peebles, OH; Linda Smith of Germantown, OH; Sue Gauldin of West Carrollton, OH and Leila Denny of Germantown, OH.; sisters, Dorothy Singleton of Ottawa, OH, Mildred Jamison of Peebles, OH, Lois Gilbert of New Carlisle, OH and Doris Gore of Bluffton, IN; brother, Chester Carroll of Dayton, OH; several gran!  dchildren and several great grandchildren. Funeral service will be 11:00 AM December 11, 2010 at Higher Heights Church of God, 8111 U.S. Route 127 South, Camden, OH with Rev. Trevor Bridgeford officiating. Interment will be in Fairmount Cemetery, Camden, OH. Family will receive friends on December 10, 2010 from at 5:00 to 8:00 PM at the church. Arrangements entrusted to Nein - Barnes Funeral Home, 249 North Main Street - Camden, Ohio. Online condolences may be sent to www.barnesfuneralhome.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message West Elkton, OH died December 4, 2010 in Florida. Born on April 11, 1935 in Hardburly, KY she was the daughter of the late Joseph & Essie (York) Carroll. Edith was a member of the American Legion Auxiliary in Bluffton, IN. Preceded in death by her husband of 41 years, Elza L. Vest on April 5, 2008; brothers, Eugene Carroll, SFC Joe Carroll, Jr., Everet Carroll and Carl Carroll; sister, Mary Vanover. Survivors, son & daughter-in-law, Nicholas (Nick) & Joy George II of Fort Worth, TX; daughters, Shelley G. George and Kelley George both of New Port Richey, FL.; Other family: Todd Vest of Hayes, VA; Steve Vest of Peebles, OH; Linda Smith of Germantown, OH; Sue Gauldin of West Carrollton, OH and Leila Denny of Germantown, OH.; sisters, Dorothy Singleton of Ottawa, OH, Mildred Jamison of Peebles, OH, Lois Gilbert of New Carlisle, OH and Doris Gore of Bluffton, IN; brother, Chester Carroll of Dayton, OH; several gran!  dchildren and several great grandchildren. Funeral service will be 11:00 AM December 11, 2010 at Higher Heights Church of God, 8111 U.S. Route 127 South, Camden, OH with Rev. Trevor Bridgeford officiating. Interment will be in Fairmount Cemetery, Camden, OH. Family will receive friends on December 10, 2010 from at 5:00 to 8:00 PM at the church. Arrangements entrusted to Nein - Barnes Funeral Home, 249 North Main Street - Camden, Ohio. Online condolences may be sent to www.barnesfuneralhome.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message KY she was the daughter of the late Joseph & Essie (York) Carroll. Edith was a member of the American Legion Auxiliary in Bluffton, IN. Preceded in death by her husband of 41 years, Elza L. Vest on April 5, 2008; brothers, Eugene Carroll, SFC Joe Carroll, Jr., Everet Carroll and Carl Carroll; sister, Mary Vanover. Survivors, son & daughter-in-law, Nicholas (Nick) & Joy George II of Fort Worth, TX; daughters, Shelley G. George and Kelley George both of New Port Richey, FL.; Other family: Todd Vest of Hayes, VA; Steve Vest of Peebles, OH; Linda Smith of Germantown, OH; Sue Gauldin of West Carrollton, OH and Leila Denny of Germantown, OH.; sisters, Dorothy Singleton of Ottawa, OH, Mildred Jamison of Peebles, OH, Lois Gilbert of New Carlisle, OH and Doris Gore of Bluffton, IN; brother, Chester Carroll of Dayton, OH; several gran!  dchildren and several great grandchildren. Funeral service will be 11:00 AM December 11, 2010 at Higher Heights Church of God, 8111 U.S. Route 127 South, Camden, OH with Rev. Trevor Bridgeford officiating. Interment will be in Fairmount Cemetery, Camden, OH. Family will receive friends on December 10, 2010 from at 5:00 to 8:00 PM at the church. Arrangements entrusted to Nein - Barnes Funeral Home, 249 North Main Street - Camden, Ohio. Online condolences may be sent to www.barnesfuneralhome.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Bluffton, IN. Preceded in death by her husband of 41 years, Elza L. Vest on April 5, 2008; brothers, Eugene Carroll, SFC Joe Carroll, Jr., Everet Carroll and Carl Carroll; sister, Mary Vanover. Survivors, son & daughter-in-law, Nicholas (Nick) & Joy George II of Fort Worth, TX; daughters, Shelley G. George and Kelley George both of New Port Richey, FL.; Other family: Todd Vest of Hayes, VA; Steve Vest of Peebles, OH; Linda Smith of Germantown, OH; Sue Gauldin of West Carrollton, OH and Leila Denny of Germantown, OH.; sisters, Dorothy Singleton of Ottawa, OH, Mildred Jamison of Peebles, OH, Lois Gilbert of New Carlisle, OH and Doris Gore of Bluffton, IN; brother, Chester Carroll of Dayton, OH; several gran!  dchildren and several great grandchildren. Funeral service will be 11:00 AM December 11, 2010 at Higher Heights Church of God, 8111 U.S. Route 127 South, Camden, OH with Rev. Trevor Bridgeford officiating. Interment will be in Fairmount Cemetery, Camden, OH. Family will receive friends on December 10, 2010 from at 5:00 to 8:00 PM at the church. Arrangements entrusted to Nein - Barnes Funeral Home, 249 North Main Street - Camden, Ohio. Online condolences may be sent to www.barnesfuneralhome.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Fort Worth, TX; daughters, Shelley G. George and Kelley George both of New Port Richey, FL.; Other family: Todd Vest of Hayes, VA; Steve Vest of Peebles, OH; Linda Smith of Germantown, OH; Sue Gauldin of West Carrollton, OH and Leila Denny of Germantown, OH.; sisters, Dorothy Singleton of Ottawa, OH, Mildred Jamison of Peebles, OH, Lois Gilbert of New Carlisle, OH and Doris Gore of Bluffton, IN; brother, Chester Carroll of Dayton, OH; several gran!  dchildren and several great grandchildren. Funeral service will be 11:00 AM December 11, 2010 at Higher Heights Church of God, 8111 U.S. Route 127 South, Camden, OH with Rev. Trevor Bridgeford officiating. Interment will be in Fairmount Cemetery, Camden, OH. Family will receive friends on December 10, 2010 from at 5:00 to 8:00 PM at the church. Arrangements entrusted to Nein - Barnes Funeral Home, 249 North Main Street - Camden, Ohio. Online condolences may be sent to www.barnesfuneralhome.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message VA; Steve Vest of Peebles, OH; Linda Smith of Germantown, OH; Sue Gauldin of West Carrollton, OH and Leila Denny of Germantown, OH.; sisters, Dorothy Singleton of Ottawa, OH, Mildred Jamison of Peebles, OH, Lois Gilbert of New Carlisle, OH and Doris Gore of Bluffton, IN; brother, Chester Carroll of Dayton, OH; several gran!  dchildren and several great grandchildren. Funeral service will be 11:00 AM December 11, 2010 at Higher Heights Church of God, 8111 U.S. Route 127 South, Camden, OH with Rev. Trevor Bridgeford officiating. Interment will be in Fairmount Cemetery, Camden, OH. Family will receive friends on December 10, 2010 from at 5:00 to 8:00 PM at the church. Arrangements entrusted to Nein - Barnes Funeral Home, 249 North Main Street - Camden, Ohio. Online condolences may be sent to www.barnesfuneralhome.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message New Carlisle, OH and Doris Gore of Bluffton, IN; brother, Chester Carroll of Dayton, OH; several gran!  dchildren and several great grandchildren. Funeral service will be 11:00 AM December 11, 2010 at Higher Heights Church of God, 8111 U.S. Route 127 South, Camden, OH with Rev. Trevor Bridgeford officiating. Interment will be in Fairmount Cemetery, Camden, OH. Family will receive friends on December 10, 2010 from at 5:00 to 8:00 PM at the church. Arrangements entrusted to Nein - Barnes Funeral Home, 249 North Main Street - Camden, Ohio. Online condolences may be sent to www.barnesfuneralhome.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    10/22/2011 01:40:52
    1. [TTTP] obit ky and ca connections
    2. Sammie jean gregory Fairchild

    3. CAVE CITY - Lynda Faye Hayes, [photo], 61, Cave City, passed away on Monday, Sept. 19, 2011 at Kindred Health Care in Louisville. The Grayson County native was the daughter of the late Elmer and Hallie Mae Thomas McGrew. She was a former employee of the Cave City Dairy Queen and a member of Cave Springs Baptist Church. Survivors include her husband, Ernest Hayes, Cave City; two sons, Eddie Hayes (Lisa), Ft. Myers, FL., Tony Hayes, Cave City; a daughter, Sherri Morris (Larry), Sacramento, CA; one brother, Larry McGrew (Alice) Bowling Green; a sister, Frances McGrew,, Cave City; six grandchildren; three great-grandchildren. She was preceded in death by a brother Charles McGrew. Funeral services will be at 11 am, Thurday, 24 Sept 2011,at Bob Hunt Funeral Chapel, Cave City, with burial in the Cave City Cemetery. Glasgow (KY) Daily Times, Thursday, 22 Sept 2011, p. A3 wwwbobhuntfuneralchapel.com

    10/22/2011 01:29:00
    1. [TTTP] Clues from the past: Museum employee ‘intrigued’ by woman buried near home
    2. Billie Walsh

    3. http://www.craigdailypress.com/news/2011/oct/22/clues-past-museum-employee-intrigued-woman-buried-/ -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb." - Benjamin Franklin - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._

    10/22/2011 07:07:25
    1. Re: [TTTP] Learned something
    2. Gail Kilgore

    3. Yes, very interesting... the Love's were in Love Co. before that time. g On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 12:27 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you Billie. I didn't know about 1893. > > Here is a partial track of the families by the year. > > Before 1906 Beebe came from Oklahoma and Pruitt came from Kentucky and both > families settled in Gainesville. > > Henry Pruitt first married Rosie Beebe, grandma's younger sister. Rosie > died from pneumonia and sometime after that in 1906 Henry married my > grandmother Beebe in Gainesville. > > 1907 they moved to Thackerville where mom was born, moved to Marietta in > 1910, moved to Ardmore before 1917 where Henry was killed when a brick wall > fell on him. > > In 1927 mom was a school teacher in McAllister. Sometime before 1932 the > Beebes and Pruits moved to Springdale (stringtown)Arkansas. > > don > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Billie Walsh" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 5:27:06 AM > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > By 1908 Oklahoma was a state. In 1893 the Chickasaw lands were open to > white settlement. Whether they were "Indian" could hinge on when they > arrived in Thackerville. If it was after 1893 it doesn't mean someone > wasn't just means they might not have been or could be of another > tribe/nation. > > As for the question of who built the towns, most all of them would have > been established by 1893. Some could have been started and built by the > white settlers. > > <quote> > Non-Chickasaw required a permit to reside in Chickasaw Nation, but this > requirement was usually ignored. By 1900 there were 300,000 whites in > the Indian Territory, 150,000 of whom were in the Chickasaw Nation. The > 6,000 Chickasaw had become a minority in their own country. However, the > land was still theirs, but even this came under attack. In 1887 Congress > passed the Dawes Act mandating the breakup of Native American lands into > individual allotments with the excess to be sold to whites. Protected by > their treaties, the Chickasaw and other Civilized Tribes were immune to > the law's provisions, but additional Congressional legislation in 1893 > attempted to include them. This was initially rejected, but with the > passage of the Curtis Act in 1895 dissolving their tribal governments, > the Choctaw and Chickasaw finally agreed in 1897. With allotment in > 1901, the Chickasaw became citizens of the United States and were > allowed to vote. > <unquote> > > On 10/20/2011 10:51 PM, donkelly wrote: > > Velma Gladys Pruitt born 1908 Thackerville, south of Ardmore, Oklahoma > > > -- > > "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. > Liberty is a well-armed lamb." - Benjamin Franklin - > > _ _... ..._ _ > _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Tschüß, Gail "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."

    10/21/2011 02:38:14
    1. Re: [TTTP] Learned something
    2. donkelly

    3. Thank you Billie. I didn't know about 1893. Here is a partial track of the families by the year. Before 1906 Beebe came from Oklahoma and Pruitt came from Kentucky and both families settled in Gainesville. Henry Pruitt first married Rosie Beebe, grandma's younger sister. Rosie died from pneumonia and sometime after that in 1906 Henry married my grandmother Beebe in Gainesville. 1907 they moved to Thackerville where mom was born, moved to Marietta in 1910, moved to Ardmore before 1917 where Henry was killed when a brick wall fell on him. In 1927 mom was a school teacher in McAllister. Sometime before 1932 the Beebes and Pruits moved to Springdale (stringtown)Arkansas. don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billie Walsh" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 5:27:06 AM Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something By 1908 Oklahoma was a state. In 1893 the Chickasaw lands were open to white settlement. Whether they were "Indian" could hinge on when they arrived in Thackerville. If it was after 1893 it doesn't mean someone wasn't just means they might not have been or could be of another tribe/nation. As for the question of who built the towns, most all of them would have been established by 1893. Some could have been started and built by the white settlers. <quote> Non-Chickasaw required a permit to reside in Chickasaw Nation, but this requirement was usually ignored. By 1900 there were 300,000 whites in the Indian Territory, 150,000 of whom were in the Chickasaw Nation. The 6,000 Chickasaw had become a minority in their own country. However, the land was still theirs, but even this came under attack. In 1887 Congress passed the Dawes Act mandating the breakup of Native American lands into individual allotments with the excess to be sold to whites. Protected by their treaties, the Chickasaw and other Civilized Tribes were immune to the law's provisions, but additional Congressional legislation in 1893 attempted to include them. This was initially rejected, but with the passage of the Curtis Act in 1895 dissolving their tribal governments, the Choctaw and Chickasaw finally agreed in 1897. With allotment in 1901, the Chickasaw became citizens of the United States and were allowed to vote. <unquote> On 10/20/2011 10:51 PM, donkelly wrote: > Velma Gladys Pruitt born 1908 Thackerville, south of Ardmore, Oklahoma -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb." - Benjamin Franklin - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    10/21/2011 01:27:03
    1. [TTTP] COLLEEN
    2. Jan Cortez

    3. Colleen, Have you talked to Brenda or heard anymore about her condition? Jan

    10/21/2011 09:03:23
    1. Re: [TTTP] Learned something
    2. Sammie jean gregory Fairchild

    3. My Uncle worked at Oakridge when they built it, Charlie Wheeler Welch.  My cousins husband was a pipe line inspector for 3 years in China Aubry Alexander.   From: donkelly <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 2:36 AM Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something As Bechtel does, so does Brown and Root. They tried to send me to China oil fields once. Good money, but I quickly said no. The equipment might be OK now as China has some money, but back then it was used USSR equipment....just junk. don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:36:38 PM Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something The one that seems to always bust... ;-))  No, they didn't work on the East Main, Granite did but they may have worked on the AZ Central from the river to Tucson.. Bechtel was also on the central canal. Brown & Root could have also been at Climax, the mine, in Colorado. g On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:32 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> wrote: > You mean the canal that busted and spilled a lot of water last year? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 9:56:00 PM > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > Maybe I put them in the same class then as Granite.. or maybe Brown and > Root > were on the canal here??? > > g > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 9:20 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Head Frames? > > > > No, they built dams and oil refineries and pipelines mostly. > > > > don > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 9:11:30 PM > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > My son's great great grandmother was, off the top of my head, Carrie Love > > who was born in Thackerville. > > > > Brown & Root, did they build head frames? > > > > g > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:51 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Velma Gladys Pruitt born 1908 Thackerville, south of Ardmore, Oklahoma > > > > > > Grandpa Pruitt died in Ardmore in 1917 in an accident while building > the > > > new courthouse. > > > > > > After grandpa was killed, grandma married a Love. Her marriages did not > > > last as she married six times. Her last husband was a Root of the huge > > Brown > > > and Root Construction Company. > > > > > > At one time in the 1980s I worked for that company in Alaska. > > > > > > Small world. > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 8:38:25 PM > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > What was your mother's name? > > > g > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:33 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > Floy Mable Beebe born 1877 Belton, MO just south of Kansas City. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 7:38:35 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > > > What was your grandmother's maiden name? > > > > > > > > g > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:03 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Not my grandfather Henry Pruitt apparently as he according to > grandma > > > was > > > > a > > > > > workaholic, but his Pruitt brothers and counsins were a rowdy bunch > > > > around > > > > > Ardmore and locals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 6:34:33 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > > > > > Thackerville is Chickasaw.  The Loves and Stewarts were from > > > > Thackerville. > > > > >  Off the top of my head, but if it is not Garvin Co. it is probably > > > Love > > > > > Co. > > > > > > > > > > g > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Billie Walsh <[email protected] > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > For the most part whites were not allowed to "settle" in Indian > > > > > > Territory by law. They could visit but they weren't allowed to > live > > > > > > there unless they had a tie to the Indians, like married to an > > Indian > > > > > > woman/man. The Chickasaw were one of the "Five Civilized Tribes". > I > > > > > > don't know to much of the Chickasaw history, but I assume it > > > parallels > > > > > > the Cherokee fairly well. Probably by the late 1800's there were > a > > > lot > > > > > > of very well [ college ] educated people in the nation. About the > > > only > > > > > > thing they lacked was a written language of their own. The > Cherokee > > > > were > > > > > > the only ones I know of that did. > > > > > > > > > > > > If she was born in the Chickasaw nation it's very probable she > was > > > > > > Chickasaw. But, there is a chance she could have been Choctaw, > > > Cherokee > > > > > > or any other tribe. There are instances of someone from one > nation > > > > > > living in another. Also many instances of, say, a Choctaw > marrying > > a > > > > > > Chickasaw. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/20/2011 05:52 PM, donkelly wrote: > > > > > > > Also of interest is the 1895 map of the area. There were an > > > > astounding > > > > > > number of labeled towns in the Chickasas Nation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can I assume that most of those towns were built by Indians, OR > > did > > > > the > > > > > > Indians allow white people to come in and build the towns? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "donkelly"<[email protected]> > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 3:37:55 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mom was born outside the nearest fair size town north of Texas. > > > That > > > > > > would be the closest Indian territory to the border with Texas. > Mom > > > > > didn't > > > > > > mention Cherokee, but she did often mention Chickasas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:45:51 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Henry may not have been part Indian. From my reading it's > pretty > > > > > obvious > > > > > > > that by 1900 it was pretty hard to find a lot of full blood > > > > Cherokees. > > > > > I > > > > > > > don't know that much about the other four "civilized tribes" [ > or > > > > other > > > > > > > nations either ], but the Cherokees were mostly mixed blood. I > > > > suspect > > > > > > > it was very common by 1900 to be of mixed blood in most > > > > tribes/nations. > > > > > > > Remember also that during that time it was very unfashionable > to > > be > > > > > > > "Indian". Many that could pass as white preferred not to admit > > > Indian > > > > > > > blood. Vehemently denied it in fact. Large numbers of mixed > > blood, > > > as > > > > > > > well as full blood, people denied their heritage and avoided > the > > > > Dawes > > > > > > > Commission. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/20/2011 03:48 PM, donkelly wrote: > > > > > > >> My mother Velma Gladys Pruitt was born in Oklahoma 1908 just > > after > > > > > > statehood. She always said it was Indian territory, and though > > > grandma > > > > > > Pruitt was part Indian, no evidence has been presented to show > that > > > her > > > > > > husband Henry Pruitt from Kentucky was part Indian. Another > family > > > > > mystery. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> don > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > >> From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > > > > > > >> To: [email protected] > > > > > > >> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:40:24 PM > > > > > > >> Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> December of 1905: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> I recommend that Indian Territory and Oklahoma be admitted as > > one > > > > > state > > > > > > >> and that New Mexico and Arizona be admitted as one state. > There > > is > > > > no > > > > > > >> obligation upon, us to treat territorial subdivisions. of > > > > convenience > > > > > > >> only, as binding us on the question of admission to statehood. > > > > Nothing > > > > > > >> has taken up more time in the congress during the past few > years > > > > than > > > > > > >> the question as to the statehood to be granted to the four > > > > territories > > > > > > >> above mentioned, and after careful consideration of all that > has > > > > been > > > > > > >> developed in the discussion of the question, I recommend that > > they > > > > be > > > > > > >> immediately admitted as two states. There is no justification > > for > > > > > > >> further delay, and the advisability of making the four > > territories > > > > > into > > > > > > >> two states has been clearly established. ---Theodore > Roosevelt. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> On 10/20/2011 10:55 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > > > > > > >>> I never knew that at the time of the debate over admitting > > > Oklahoma > > > > > and > > > > > > >>> Sequoyah as separate states or a single state, there was also > > > talk > > > > of > > > > > > >>> combining Arizona and New Mexico territories as one state. > > Seems > > > > that > > > > > > >>> some of the congress critters of the day thought that was a > > good > > > > > idea. > > > > > > >>> Not a very popular idea back in those two territories. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for > > dinner. > > > > > > Liberty is a well-armed lamb."    - Benjamin Franklin - > > > > > > > > > > > > _ _...  ..._ _ > > > > > > _._  ._  .....  ._..  ...  .._ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > > quotes > > > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Tschüß, > > > > > Gail > > > > > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't > > > matter > > > > > and those who matter don't mind." > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes > > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes > > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Tschüß, > > > > Gail > > > > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't > > matter > > > > and those who matter don't mind." > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Tschüß, > > > Gail > > > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't > matter > > > and those who matter don't mind." > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Tschüß, > > Gail > > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter > > and those who matter don't mind." > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > -- > Tschüß, > Gail > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter > and those who matter don't mind." > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Tschüß, Gail "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    10/21/2011 02:17:47
    1. Re: [TTTP] Learned something
    2. Billie Walsh

    3. By 1908 Oklahoma was a state. In 1893 the Chickasaw lands were open to white settlement. Whether they were "Indian" could hinge on when they arrived in Thackerville. If it was after 1893 it doesn't mean someone wasn't just means they might not have been or could be of another tribe/nation. As for the question of who built the towns, most all of them would have been established by 1893. Some could have been started and built by the white settlers. <quote> Non-Chickasaw required a permit to reside in Chickasaw Nation, but this requirement was usually ignored. By 1900 there were 300,000 whites in the Indian Territory, 150,000 of whom were in the Chickasaw Nation. The 6,000 Chickasaw had become a minority in their own country. However, the land was still theirs, but even this came under attack. In 1887 Congress passed the Dawes Act mandating the breakup of Native American lands into individual allotments with the excess to be sold to whites. Protected by their treaties, the Chickasaw and other Civilized Tribes were immune to the law's provisions, but additional Congressional legislation in 1893 attempted to include them. This was initially rejected, but with the passage of the Curtis Act in 1895 dissolving their tribal governments, the Choctaw and Chickasaw finally agreed in 1897. With allotment in 1901, the Chickasaw became citizens of the United States and were allowed to vote. <unquote> On 10/20/2011 10:51 PM, donkelly wrote: > Velma Gladys Pruitt born 1908 Thackerville, south of Ardmore, Oklahoma -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb." - Benjamin Franklin - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._

    10/21/2011 01:27:06
    1. Re: [TTTP] Learned something
    2. donkelly

    3. As Bechtel does, so does Brown and Root. They tried to send me to China oil fields once. Good money, but I quickly said no. The equipment might be OK now as China has some money, but back then it was used USSR equipment....just junk. don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:36:38 PM Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something The one that seems to always bust... ;-)) No, they didn't work on the East Main, Granite did but they may have worked on the AZ Central from the river to Tucson.. Bechtel was also on the central canal. Brown & Root could have also been at Climax, the mine, in Colorado. g On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:32 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> wrote: > You mean the canal that busted and spilled a lot of water last year? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 9:56:00 PM > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > Maybe I put them in the same class then as Granite.. or maybe Brown and > Root > were on the canal here??? > > g > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 9:20 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Head Frames? > > > > No, they built dams and oil refineries and pipelines mostly. > > > > don > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 9:11:30 PM > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > My son's great great grandmother was, off the top of my head, Carrie Love > > who was born in Thackerville. > > > > Brown & Root, did they build head frames? > > > > g > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:51 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Velma Gladys Pruitt born 1908 Thackerville, south of Ardmore, Oklahoma > > > > > > Grandpa Pruitt died in Ardmore in 1917 in an accident while building > the > > > new courthouse. > > > > > > After grandpa was killed, grandma married a Love. Her marriages did not > > > last as she married six times. Her last husband was a Root of the huge > > Brown > > > and Root Construction Company. > > > > > > At one time in the 1980s I worked for that company in Alaska. > > > > > > Small world. > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 8:38:25 PM > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > What was your mother's name? > > > g > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:33 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > Floy Mable Beebe born 1877 Belton, MO just south of Kansas City. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 7:38:35 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > > > What was your grandmother's maiden name? > > > > > > > > g > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:03 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Not my grandfather Henry Pruitt apparently as he according to > grandma > > > was > > > > a > > > > > workaholic, but his Pruitt brothers and counsins were a rowdy bunch > > > > around > > > > > Ardmore and locals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 6:34:33 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > > > > > Thackerville is Chickasaw. The Loves and Stewarts were from > > > > Thackerville. > > > > > Off the top of my head, but if it is not Garvin Co. it is probably > > > Love > > > > > Co. > > > > > > > > > > g > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Billie Walsh <[email protected] > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > For the most part whites were not allowed to "settle" in Indian > > > > > > Territory by law. They could visit but they weren't allowed to > live > > > > > > there unless they had a tie to the Indians, like married to an > > Indian > > > > > > woman/man. The Chickasaw were one of the "Five Civilized Tribes". > I > > > > > > don't know to much of the Chickasaw history, but I assume it > > > parallels > > > > > > the Cherokee fairly well. Probably by the late 1800's there were > a > > > lot > > > > > > of very well [ college ] educated people in the nation. About the > > > only > > > > > > thing they lacked was a written language of their own. The > Cherokee > > > > were > > > > > > the only ones I know of that did. > > > > > > > > > > > > If she was born in the Chickasaw nation it's very probable she > was > > > > > > Chickasaw. But, there is a chance she could have been Choctaw, > > > Cherokee > > > > > > or any other tribe. There are instances of someone from one > nation > > > > > > living in another. Also many instances of, say, a Choctaw > marrying > > a > > > > > > Chickasaw. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/20/2011 05:52 PM, donkelly wrote: > > > > > > > Also of interest is the 1895 map of the area. There were an > > > > astounding > > > > > > number of labeled towns in the Chickasas Nation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can I assume that most of those towns were built by Indians, OR > > did > > > > the > > > > > > Indians allow white people to come in and build the towns? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "donkelly"<[email protected]> > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 3:37:55 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mom was born outside the nearest fair size town north of Texas. > > > That > > > > > > would be the closest Indian territory to the border with Texas. > Mom > > > > > didn't > > > > > > mention Cherokee, but she did often mention Chickasas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:45:51 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Henry may not have been part Indian. From my reading it's > pretty > > > > > obvious > > > > > > > that by 1900 it was pretty hard to find a lot of full blood > > > > Cherokees. > > > > > I > > > > > > > don't know that much about the other four "civilized tribes" [ > or > > > > other > > > > > > > nations either ], but the Cherokees were mostly mixed blood. I > > > > suspect > > > > > > > it was very common by 1900 to be of mixed blood in most > > > > tribes/nations. > > > > > > > Remember also that during that time it was very unfashionable > to > > be > > > > > > > "Indian". Many that could pass as white preferred not to admit > > > Indian > > > > > > > blood. Vehemently denied it in fact. Large numbers of mixed > > blood, > > > as > > > > > > > well as full blood, people denied their heritage and avoided > the > > > > Dawes > > > > > > > Commission. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/20/2011 03:48 PM, donkelly wrote: > > > > > > >> My mother Velma Gladys Pruitt was born in Oklahoma 1908 just > > after > > > > > > statehood. She always said it was Indian territory, and though > > > grandma > > > > > > Pruitt was part Indian, no evidence has been presented to show > that > > > her > > > > > > husband Henry Pruitt from Kentucky was part Indian. Another > family > > > > > mystery. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> don > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > >> From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > > > > > > >> To: [email protected] > > > > > > >> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:40:24 PM > > > > > > >> Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> December of 1905: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> I recommend that Indian Territory and Oklahoma be admitted as > > one > > > > > state > > > > > > >> and that New Mexico and Arizona be admitted as one state. > There > > is > > > > no > > > > > > >> obligation upon, us to treat territorial subdivisions. of > > > > convenience > > > > > > >> only, as binding us on the question of admission to statehood. > > > > Nothing > > > > > > >> has taken up more time in the congress during the past few > years > > > > than > > > > > > >> the question as to the statehood to be granted to the four > > > > territories > > > > > > >> above mentioned, and after careful consideration of all that > has > > > > been > > > > > > >> developed in the discussion of the question, I recommend that > > they > > > > be > > > > > > >> immediately admitted as two states. There is no justification > > for > > > > > > >> further delay, and the advisability of making the four > > territories > > > > > into > > > > > > >> two states has been clearly established. ---Theodore > Roosevelt. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> On 10/20/2011 10:55 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > > > > > > >>> I never knew that at the time of the debate over admitting > > > Oklahoma > > > > > and > > > > > > >>> Sequoyah as separate states or a single state, there was also > > > talk > > > > of > > > > > > >>> combining Arizona and New Mexico territories as one state. > > Seems > > > > that > > > > > > >>> some of the congress critters of the day thought that was a > > good > > > > > idea. > > > > > > >>> Not a very popular idea back in those two territories. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for > > dinner. > > > > > > Liberty is a well-armed lamb." - Benjamin Franklin - > > > > > > > > > > > > _ _... ..._ _ > > > > > > _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > > quotes > > > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Tschüß, > > > > > Gail > > > > > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't > > > matter > > > > > and those who matter don't mind." > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes > > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes > > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Tschüß, > > > > Gail > > > > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't > > matter > > > > and those who matter don't mind." > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Tschüß, > > > Gail > > > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't > matter > > > and those who matter don't mind." > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Tschüß, > > Gail > > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter > > and those who matter don't mind." > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > -- > Tschüß, > Gail > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter > and those who matter don't mind." > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Tschüß, Gail "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    10/21/2011 12:36:09
    1. Re: [TTTP] Learned something
    2. donkelly

    3. Hundrds of years ago worked for Bechtel too.(: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:36:38 PM Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something The one that seems to always bust... ;-)) No, they didn't work on the East Main, Granite did but they may have worked on the AZ Central from the river to Tucson.. Bechtel was also on the central canal. Brown & Root could have also been at Climax, the mine, in Colorado. g On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:32 PM, donkelly <ocol[email protected]> wrote: > You mean the canal that busted and spilled a lot of water last year? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 9:56:00 PM > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > Maybe I put them in the same class then as Granite.. or maybe Brown and > Root > were on the canal here??? > > g > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 9:20 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Head Frames? > > > > No, they built dams and oil refineries and pipelines mostly. > > > > don > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 9:11:30 PM > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > My son's great great grandmother was, off the top of my head, Carrie Love > > who was born in Thackerville. > > > > Brown & Root, did they build head frames? > > > > g > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:51 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Velma Gladys Pruitt born 1908 Thackerville, south of Ardmore, Oklahoma > > > > > > Grandpa Pruitt died in Ardmore in 1917 in an accident while building > the > > > new courthouse. > > > > > > After grandpa was killed, grandma married a Love. Her marriages did not > > > last as she married six times. Her last husband was a Root of the huge > > Brown > > > and Root Construction Company. > > > > > > At one time in the 1980s I worked for that company in Alaska. > > > > > > Small world. > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 8:38:25 PM > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > What was your mother's name? > > > g > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:33 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > Floy Mable Beebe born 1877 Belton, MO just south of Kansas City. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 7:38:35 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > > > What was your grandmother's maiden name? > > > > > > > > g > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:03 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Not my grandfather Henry Pruitt apparently as he according to > grandma > > > was > > > > a > > > > > workaholic, but his Pruitt brothers and counsins were a rowdy bunch > > > > around > > > > > Ardmore and locals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 6:34:33 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > > > > > Thackerville is Chickasaw. The Loves and Stewarts were from > > > > Thackerville. > > > > > Off the top of my head, but if it is not Garvin Co. it is probably > > > Love > > > > > Co. > > > > > > > > > > g > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Billie Walsh <[email protected]l.net > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > For the most part whites were not allowed to "settle" in Indian > > > > > > Territory by law. They could visit but they weren't allowed to > live > > > > > > there unless they had a tie to the Indians, like married to an > > Indian > > > > > > woman/man. The Chickasaw were one of the "Five Civilized Tribes". > I > > > > > > don't know to much of the Chickasaw history, but I assume it > > > parallels > > > > > > the Cherokee fairly well. Probably by the late 1800's there were > a > > > lot > > > > > > of very well [ college ] educated people in the nation. About the > > > only > > > > > > thing they lacked was a written language of their own. The > Cherokee > > > > were > > > > > > the only ones I know of that did. > > > > > > > > > > > > If she was born in the Chickasaw nation it's very probable she > was > > > > > > Chickasaw. But, there is a chance she could have been Choctaw, > > > Cherokee > > > > > > or any other tribe. There are instances of someone from one > nation > > > > > > living in another. Also many instances of, say, a Choctaw > marrying > > a > > > > > > Chickasaw. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/20/2011 05:52 PM, donkelly wrote: > > > > > > > Also of interest is the 1895 map of the area. There were an > > > > astounding > > > > > > number of labeled towns in the Chickasas Nation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can I assume that most of those towns were built by Indians, OR > > did > > > > the > > > > > > Indians allow white people to come in and build the towns? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "donkelly"<[email protected]> > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 3:37:55 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mom was born outside the nearest fair size town north of Texas. > > > That > > > > > > would be the closest Indian territory to the border with Texas. > Mom > > > > > didn't > > > > > > mention Cherokee, but she did often mention Chickasas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:45:51 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Henry may not have been part Indian. From my reading it's > pretty > > > > > obvious > > > > > > > that by 1900 it was pretty hard to find a lot of full blood > > > > Cherokees. > > > > > I > > > > > > > don't know that much about the other four "civilized tribes" [ > or > > > > other > > > > > > > nations either ], but the Cherokees were mostly mixed blood. I > > > > suspect > > > > > > > it was very common by 1900 to be of mixed blood in most > > > > tribes/nations. > > > > > > > Remember also that during that time it was very unfashionable > to > > be > > > > > > > "Indian". Many that could pass as white preferred not to admit > > > Indian > > > > > > > blood. Vehemently denied it in fact. Large numbers of mixed > > blood, > > > as > > > > > > > well as full blood, people denied their heritage and avoided > the > > > > Dawes > > > > > > > Commission. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/20/2011 03:48 PM, donkelly wrote: > > > > > > >> My mother Velma Gladys Pruitt was born in Oklahoma 1908 just > > after > > > > > > statehood. She always said it was Indian territory, and though > > > grandma > > > > > > Pruitt was part Indian, no evidence has been presented to show > that > > > her > > > > > > husband Henry Pruitt from Kentucky was part Indian. Another > family > > > > > mystery. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> don > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > >> From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > > > > > > >> To: [email protected] > > > > > > >> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:40:24 PM > > > > > > >> Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> December of 1905: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> I recommend that Indian Territory and Oklahoma be admitted as > > one > > > > > state > > > > > > >> and that New Mexico and Arizona be admitted as one state. > There > > is > > > > no > > > > > > >> obligation upon, us to treat territorial subdivisions. of > > > > convenience > > > > > > >> only, as binding us on the question of admission to statehood. > > > > Nothing > > > > > > >> has taken up more time in the congress during the past few > years > > > > than > > > > > > >> the question as to the statehood to be granted to the four > > > > territories > > > > > > >> above mentioned, and after careful consideration of all that > has > > > > been > > > > > > >> developed in the discussion of the question, I recommend that > > they > > > > be > > > > > > >> immediately admitted as two states. There is no justification > > for > > > > > > >> further delay, and the advisability of making the four > > territories > > > > > into > > > > > > >> two states has been clearly established. ---Theodore > Roosevelt. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> On 10/20/2011 10:55 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > > > > > > >>> I never knew that at the time of the debate over admitting > > > Oklahoma > > > > > and > > > > > > >>> Sequoyah as separate states or a single state, there was also > > > talk > > > > of > > > > > > >>> combining Arizona and New Mexico territories as one state. > > Seems > > > > that > > > > > > >>> some of the congress critters of the day thought that was a > > good > > > > > idea. > > > > > > >>> Not a very popular idea back in those two territories. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for > > dinner. > > > > > > Liberty is a well-armed lamb." - Benjamin Franklin - > > > > > > > > > > > > _ _... ..._ _ > > > > > > _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > > quotes > > > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Tschüß, > > > > > Gail > > > > > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't > > > matter > > > > > and those who matter don't mind." > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes > > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes > > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Tschüß, > > > > Gail > > > > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't > > matter > > > > and those who matter don't mind." > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Tschüß, > > > Gail > > > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't > matter > > > and those who matter don't mind." > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Tschüß, > > Gail > > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter > > and those who matter don't mind." > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > -- > Tschüß, > Gail > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter > and those who matter don't mind." > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Tschüß, Gail "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    10/21/2011 12:26:45
    1. Re: [TTTP] Learned something
    2. donkelly

    3. You mean the canal that busted and spilled a lot of water last year? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 9:56:00 PM Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something Maybe I put them in the same class then as Granite.. or maybe Brown and Root were on the canal here??? g On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 9:20 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> wrote: > Head Frames? > > No, they built dams and oil refineries and pipelines mostly. > > don > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 9:11:30 PM > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > My son's great great grandmother was, off the top of my head, Carrie Love > who was born in Thackerville. > > Brown & Root, did they build head frames? > > g > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:51 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Velma Gladys Pruitt born 1908 Thackerville, south of Ardmore, Oklahoma > > > > Grandpa Pruitt died in Ardmore in 1917 in an accident while building the > > new courthouse. > > > > After grandpa was killed, grandma married a Love. Her marriages did not > > last as she married six times. Her last husband was a Root of the huge > Brown > > and Root Construction Company. > > > > At one time in the 1980s I worked for that company in Alaska. > > > > Small world. > > > > don > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 8:38:25 PM > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > What was your mother's name? > > g > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:33 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Floy Mable Beebe born 1877 Belton, MO just south of Kansas City. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 7:38:35 PM > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > What was your grandmother's maiden name? > > > > > > g > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:03 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > Not my grandfather Henry Pruitt apparently as he according to grandma > > was > > > a > > > > workaholic, but his Pruitt brothers and counsins were a rowdy bunch > > > around > > > > Ardmore and locals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 6:34:33 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > > > Thackerville is Chickasaw. The Loves and Stewarts were from > > > Thackerville. > > > > Off the top of my head, but if it is not Garvin Co. it is probably > > Love > > > > Co. > > > > > > > > g > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Billie Walsh <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > For the most part whites were not allowed to "settle" in Indian > > > > > Territory by law. They could visit but they weren't allowed to live > > > > > there unless they had a tie to the Indians, like married to an > Indian > > > > > woman/man. The Chickasaw were one of the "Five Civilized Tribes". I > > > > > don't know to much of the Chickasaw history, but I assume it > > parallels > > > > > the Cherokee fairly well. Probably by the late 1800's there were a > > lot > > > > > of very well [ college ] educated people in the nation. About the > > only > > > > > thing they lacked was a written language of their own. The Cherokee > > > were > > > > > the only ones I know of that did. > > > > > > > > > > If she was born in the Chickasaw nation it's very probable she was > > > > > Chickasaw. But, there is a chance she could have been Choctaw, > > Cherokee > > > > > or any other tribe. There are instances of someone from one nation > > > > > living in another. Also many instances of, say, a Choctaw marrying > a > > > > > Chickasaw. > > > > > > > > > > On 10/20/2011 05:52 PM, donkelly wrote: > > > > > > Also of interest is the 1895 map of the area. There were an > > > astounding > > > > > number of labeled towns in the Chickasas Nation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Can I assume that most of those towns were built by Indians, OR > did > > > the > > > > > Indians allow white people to come in and build the towns? > > > > > > > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "donkelly"<[email protected]> > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 3:37:55 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > > > > > > > Mom was born outside the nearest fair size town north of Texas. > > That > > > > > would be the closest Indian territory to the border with Texas. Mom > > > > didn't > > > > > mention Cherokee, but she did often mention Chickasas. > > > > > > > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:45:51 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > > > > > > > Henry may not have been part Indian. From my reading it's pretty > > > > obvious > > > > > > that by 1900 it was pretty hard to find a lot of full blood > > > Cherokees. > > > > I > > > > > > don't know that much about the other four "civilized tribes" [ or > > > other > > > > > > nations either ], but the Cherokees were mostly mixed blood. I > > > suspect > > > > > > it was very common by 1900 to be of mixed blood in most > > > tribes/nations. > > > > > > Remember also that during that time it was very unfashionable to > be > > > > > > "Indian". Many that could pass as white preferred not to admit > > Indian > > > > > > blood. Vehemently denied it in fact. Large numbers of mixed > blood, > > as > > > > > > well as full blood, people denied their heritage and avoided the > > > Dawes > > > > > > Commission. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/20/2011 03:48 PM, donkelly wrote: > > > > > >> My mother Velma Gladys Pruitt was born in Oklahoma 1908 just > after > > > > > statehood. She always said it was Indian territory, and though > > grandma > > > > > Pruitt was part Indian, no evidence has been presented to show that > > her > > > > > husband Henry Pruitt from Kentucky was part Indian. Another family > > > > mystery. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> don > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >> From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > > > > > >> To: [email protected] > > > > > >> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:40:24 PM > > > > > >> Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > >> > > > > > >> December of 1905: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I recommend that Indian Territory and Oklahoma be admitted as > one > > > > state > > > > > >> and that New Mexico and Arizona be admitted as one state. There > is > > > no > > > > > >> obligation upon, us to treat territorial subdivisions. of > > > convenience > > > > > >> only, as binding us on the question of admission to statehood. > > > Nothing > > > > > >> has taken up more time in the congress during the past few years > > > than > > > > > >> the question as to the statehood to be granted to the four > > > territories > > > > > >> above mentioned, and after careful consideration of all that has > > > been > > > > > >> developed in the discussion of the question, I recommend that > they > > > be > > > > > >> immediately admitted as two states. There is no justification > for > > > > > >> further delay, and the advisability of making the four > territories > > > > into > > > > > >> two states has been clearly established. ---Theodore Roosevelt. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On 10/20/2011 10:55 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > > > > > >>> I never knew that at the time of the debate over admitting > > Oklahoma > > > > and > > > > > >>> Sequoyah as separate states or a single state, there was also > > talk > > > of > > > > > >>> combining Arizona and New Mexico territories as one state. > Seems > > > that > > > > > >>> some of the congress critters of the day thought that was a > good > > > > idea. > > > > > >>> Not a very popular idea back in those two territories. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for > dinner. > > > > > Liberty is a well-armed lamb." - Benjamin Franklin - > > > > > > > > > > _ _... ..._ _ > > > > > _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes > > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Tschüß, > > > > Gail > > > > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't > > matter > > > > and those who matter don't mind." > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Tschüß, > > > Gail > > > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't > matter > > > and those who matter don't mind." > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Tschüß, > > Gail > > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter > > and those who matter don't mind." > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Tschüß, > Gail > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter > and those who matter don't mind." > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -- Tschüß, Gail "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    10/20/2011 11:32:23
    1. Re: [TTTP] Learned something
    2. donkelly

    3. Head Frames? No, they built dams and oil refineries and pipelines mostly. don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 9:11:30 PM Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something My son's great great grandmother was, off the top of my head, Carrie Love who was born in Thackerville. Brown & Root, did they build head frames? g On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:51 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> wrote: > Velma Gladys Pruitt born 1908 Thackerville, south of Ardmore, Oklahoma > > Grandpa Pruitt died in Ardmore in 1917 in an accident while building the > new courthouse. > > After grandpa was killed, grandma married a Love. Her marriages did not > last as she married six times. Her last husband was a Root of the huge Brown > and Root Construction Company. > > At one time in the 1980s I worked for that company in Alaska. > > Small world. > > don > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 8:38:25 PM > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > What was your mother's name? > g > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:33 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Floy Mable Beebe born 1877 Belton, MO just south of Kansas City. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 7:38:35 PM > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > What was your grandmother's maiden name? > > > > g > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:03 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Not my grandfather Henry Pruitt apparently as he according to grandma > was > > a > > > workaholic, but his Pruitt brothers and counsins were a rowdy bunch > > around > > > Ardmore and locals. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 6:34:33 PM > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > Thackerville is Chickasaw. The Loves and Stewarts were from > > Thackerville. > > > Off the top of my head, but if it is not Garvin Co. it is probably > Love > > > Co. > > > > > > g > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Billie Walsh <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > For the most part whites were not allowed to "settle" in Indian > > > > Territory by law. They could visit but they weren't allowed to live > > > > there unless they had a tie to the Indians, like married to an Indian > > > > woman/man. The Chickasaw were one of the "Five Civilized Tribes". I > > > > don't know to much of the Chickasaw history, but I assume it > parallels > > > > the Cherokee fairly well. Probably by the late 1800's there were a > lot > > > > of very well [ college ] educated people in the nation. About the > only > > > > thing they lacked was a written language of their own. The Cherokee > > were > > > > the only ones I know of that did. > > > > > > > > If she was born in the Chickasaw nation it's very probable she was > > > > Chickasaw. But, there is a chance she could have been Choctaw, > Cherokee > > > > or any other tribe. There are instances of someone from one nation > > > > living in another. Also many instances of, say, a Choctaw marrying a > > > > Chickasaw. > > > > > > > > On 10/20/2011 05:52 PM, donkelly wrote: > > > > > Also of interest is the 1895 map of the area. There were an > > astounding > > > > number of labeled towns in the Chickasas Nation. > > > > > > > > > > Can I assume that most of those towns were built by Indians, OR did > > the > > > > Indians allow white people to come in and build the towns? > > > > > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "donkelly"<[email protected]> > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 3:37:55 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > > > > > Mom was born outside the nearest fair size town north of Texas. > That > > > > would be the closest Indian territory to the border with Texas. Mom > > > didn't > > > > mention Cherokee, but she did often mention Chickasas. > > > > > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:45:51 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > > > > > Henry may not have been part Indian. From my reading it's pretty > > > obvious > > > > > that by 1900 it was pretty hard to find a lot of full blood > > Cherokees. > > > I > > > > > don't know that much about the other four "civilized tribes" [ or > > other > > > > > nations either ], but the Cherokees were mostly mixed blood. I > > suspect > > > > > it was very common by 1900 to be of mixed blood in most > > tribes/nations. > > > > > Remember also that during that time it was very unfashionable to be > > > > > "Indian". Many that could pass as white preferred not to admit > Indian > > > > > blood. Vehemently denied it in fact. Large numbers of mixed blood, > as > > > > > well as full blood, people denied their heritage and avoided the > > Dawes > > > > > Commission. > > > > > > > > > > On 10/20/2011 03:48 PM, donkelly wrote: > > > > >> My mother Velma Gladys Pruitt was born in Oklahoma 1908 just after > > > > statehood. She always said it was Indian territory, and though > grandma > > > > Pruitt was part Indian, no evidence has been presented to show that > her > > > > husband Henry Pruitt from Kentucky was part Indian. Another family > > > mystery. > > > > >> > > > > >> don > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > > > > >> To: [email protected] > > > > >> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:40:24 PM > > > > >> Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > >> > > > > >> December of 1905: > > > > >> > > > > >> I recommend that Indian Territory and Oklahoma be admitted as one > > > state > > > > >> and that New Mexico and Arizona be admitted as one state. There is > > no > > > > >> obligation upon, us to treat territorial subdivisions. of > > convenience > > > > >> only, as binding us on the question of admission to statehood. > > Nothing > > > > >> has taken up more time in the congress during the past few years > > than > > > > >> the question as to the statehood to be granted to the four > > territories > > > > >> above mentioned, and after careful consideration of all that has > > been > > > > >> developed in the discussion of the question, I recommend that they > > be > > > > >> immediately admitted as two states. There is no justification for > > > > >> further delay, and the advisability of making the four territories > > > into > > > > >> two states has been clearly established. ---Theodore Roosevelt. > > > > >> > > > > >> On 10/20/2011 10:55 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > > > > >>> I never knew that at the time of the debate over admitting > Oklahoma > > > and > > > > >>> Sequoyah as separate states or a single state, there was also > talk > > of > > > > >>> combining Arizona and New Mexico territories as one state. Seems > > that > > > > >>> some of the congress critters of the day thought that was a good > > > idea. > > > > >>> Not a very popular idea back in those two territories. > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. > > > > Liberty is a well-armed lamb." - Benjamin Franklin - > > > > > > > > _ _... ..._ _ > > > > _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Tschüß, > > > Gail > > > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't > matter > > > and those who matter don't mind." > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Tschüß, > > Gail > > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter > > and those who matter don't mind." > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Tschüß, > Gail > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter > and those who matter don't mind." > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Tschüß, Gail "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    10/20/2011 10:20:47
    1. Re: [TTTP] Learned something
    2. donkelly

    3. Velma Gladys Pruitt born 1908 Thackerville, south of Ardmore, Oklahoma Grandpa Pruitt died in Ardmore in 1917 in an accident while building the new courthouse. After grandpa was killed, grandma married a Love. Her marriages did not last as she married six times. Her last husband was a Root of the huge Brown and Root Construction Company. At one time in the 1980s I worked for that company in Alaska. Small world. don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 8:38:25 PM Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something What was your mother's name? g On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:33 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> wrote: > Floy Mable Beebe born 1877 Belton, MO just south of Kansas City. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 7:38:35 PM > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > What was your grandmother's maiden name? > > g > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:03 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Not my grandfather Henry Pruitt apparently as he according to grandma was > a > > workaholic, but his Pruitt brothers and counsins were a rowdy bunch > around > > Ardmore and locals. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 6:34:33 PM > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > Thackerville is Chickasaw. The Loves and Stewarts were from > Thackerville. > > Off the top of my head, but if it is not Garvin Co. it is probably Love > > Co. > > > > g > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Billie Walsh <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > For the most part whites were not allowed to "settle" in Indian > > > Territory by law. They could visit but they weren't allowed to live > > > there unless they had a tie to the Indians, like married to an Indian > > > woman/man. The Chickasaw were one of the "Five Civilized Tribes". I > > > don't know to much of the Chickasaw history, but I assume it parallels > > > the Cherokee fairly well. Probably by the late 1800's there were a lot > > > of very well [ college ] educated people in the nation. About the only > > > thing they lacked was a written language of their own. The Cherokee > were > > > the only ones I know of that did. > > > > > > If she was born in the Chickasaw nation it's very probable she was > > > Chickasaw. But, there is a chance she could have been Choctaw, Cherokee > > > or any other tribe. There are instances of someone from one nation > > > living in another. Also many instances of, say, a Choctaw marrying a > > > Chickasaw. > > > > > > On 10/20/2011 05:52 PM, donkelly wrote: > > > > Also of interest is the 1895 map of the area. There were an > astounding > > > number of labeled towns in the Chickasas Nation. > > > > > > > > Can I assume that most of those towns were built by Indians, OR did > the > > > Indians allow white people to come in and build the towns? > > > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "donkelly"<[email protected]> > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 3:37:55 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > > > Mom was born outside the nearest fair size town north of Texas. That > > > would be the closest Indian territory to the border with Texas. Mom > > didn't > > > mention Cherokee, but she did often mention Chickasas. > > > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:45:51 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > > > Henry may not have been part Indian. From my reading it's pretty > > obvious > > > > that by 1900 it was pretty hard to find a lot of full blood > Cherokees. > > I > > > > don't know that much about the other four "civilized tribes" [ or > other > > > > nations either ], but the Cherokees were mostly mixed blood. I > suspect > > > > it was very common by 1900 to be of mixed blood in most > tribes/nations. > > > > Remember also that during that time it was very unfashionable to be > > > > "Indian". Many that could pass as white preferred not to admit Indian > > > > blood. Vehemently denied it in fact. Large numbers of mixed blood, as > > > > well as full blood, people denied their heritage and avoided the > Dawes > > > > Commission. > > > > > > > > On 10/20/2011 03:48 PM, donkelly wrote: > > > >> My mother Velma Gladys Pruitt was born in Oklahoma 1908 just after > > > statehood. She always said it was Indian territory, and though grandma > > > Pruitt was part Indian, no evidence has been presented to show that her > > > husband Henry Pruitt from Kentucky was part Indian. Another family > > mystery. > > > >> > > > >> don > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > > > >> To: [email protected] > > > >> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:40:24 PM > > > >> Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > >> > > > >> December of 1905: > > > >> > > > >> I recommend that Indian Territory and Oklahoma be admitted as one > > state > > > >> and that New Mexico and Arizona be admitted as one state. There is > no > > > >> obligation upon, us to treat territorial subdivisions. of > convenience > > > >> only, as binding us on the question of admission to statehood. > Nothing > > > >> has taken up more time in the congress during the past few years > than > > > >> the question as to the statehood to be granted to the four > territories > > > >> above mentioned, and after careful consideration of all that has > been > > > >> developed in the discussion of the question, I recommend that they > be > > > >> immediately admitted as two states. There is no justification for > > > >> further delay, and the advisability of making the four territories > > into > > > >> two states has been clearly established. ---Theodore Roosevelt. > > > >> > > > >> On 10/20/2011 10:55 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > > > >>> I never knew that at the time of the debate over admitting Oklahoma > > and > > > >>> Sequoyah as separate states or a single state, there was also talk > of > > > >>> combining Arizona and New Mexico territories as one state. Seems > that > > > >>> some of the congress critters of the day thought that was a good > > idea. > > > >>> Not a very popular idea back in those two territories. > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. > > > Liberty is a well-armed lamb." - Benjamin Franklin - > > > > > > _ _... ..._ _ > > > _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Tschüß, > > Gail > > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter > > and those who matter don't mind." > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Tschüß, > Gail > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter > and those who matter don't mind." > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Tschüß, Gail "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    10/20/2011 09:51:51
    1. Re: [TTTP] Learned something
    2. donkelly

    3. Floy Mable Beebe born 1877 Belton, MO just south of Kansas City. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 7:38:35 PM Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something What was your grandmother's maiden name? g On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:03 PM, donkelly <[email protected]> wrote: > Not my grandfather Henry Pruitt apparently as he according to grandma was a > workaholic, but his Pruitt brothers and counsins were a rowdy bunch around > Ardmore and locals. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 6:34:33 PM > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > Thackerville is Chickasaw. The Loves and Stewarts were from Thackerville. > Off the top of my head, but if it is not Garvin Co. it is probably Love > Co. > > g > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Billie Walsh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > For the most part whites were not allowed to "settle" in Indian > > Territory by law. They could visit but they weren't allowed to live > > there unless they had a tie to the Indians, like married to an Indian > > woman/man. The Chickasaw were one of the "Five Civilized Tribes". I > > don't know to much of the Chickasaw history, but I assume it parallels > > the Cherokee fairly well. Probably by the late 1800's there were a lot > > of very well [ college ] educated people in the nation. About the only > > thing they lacked was a written language of their own. The Cherokee were > > the only ones I know of that did. > > > > If she was born in the Chickasaw nation it's very probable she was > > Chickasaw. But, there is a chance she could have been Choctaw, Cherokee > > or any other tribe. There are instances of someone from one nation > > living in another. Also many instances of, say, a Choctaw marrying a > > Chickasaw. > > > > On 10/20/2011 05:52 PM, donkelly wrote: > > > Also of interest is the 1895 map of the area. There were an astounding > > number of labeled towns in the Chickasas Nation. > > > > > > Can I assume that most of those towns were built by Indians, OR did the > > Indians allow white people to come in and build the towns? > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "donkelly"<[email protected]> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 3:37:55 PM > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > Mom was born outside the nearest fair size town north of Texas. That > > would be the closest Indian territory to the border with Texas. Mom > didn't > > mention Cherokee, but she did often mention Chickasas. > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:45:51 PM > > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > > > Henry may not have been part Indian. From my reading it's pretty > obvious > > > that by 1900 it was pretty hard to find a lot of full blood Cherokees. > I > > > don't know that much about the other four "civilized tribes" [ or other > > > nations either ], but the Cherokees were mostly mixed blood. I suspect > > > it was very common by 1900 to be of mixed blood in most tribes/nations. > > > Remember also that during that time it was very unfashionable to be > > > "Indian". Many that could pass as white preferred not to admit Indian > > > blood. Vehemently denied it in fact. Large numbers of mixed blood, as > > > well as full blood, people denied their heritage and avoided the Dawes > > > Commission. > > > > > > On 10/20/2011 03:48 PM, donkelly wrote: > > >> My mother Velma Gladys Pruitt was born in Oklahoma 1908 just after > > statehood. She always said it was Indian territory, and though grandma > > Pruitt was part Indian, no evidence has been presented to show that her > > husband Henry Pruitt from Kentucky was part Indian. Another family > mystery. > > >> > > >> don > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > > >> To: [email protected] > > >> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:40:24 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > >> > > >> December of 1905: > > >> > > >> I recommend that Indian Territory and Oklahoma be admitted as one > state > > >> and that New Mexico and Arizona be admitted as one state. There is no > > >> obligation upon, us to treat territorial subdivisions. of convenience > > >> only, as binding us on the question of admission to statehood. Nothing > > >> has taken up more time in the congress during the past few years than > > >> the question as to the statehood to be granted to the four territories > > >> above mentioned, and after careful consideration of all that has been > > >> developed in the discussion of the question, I recommend that they be > > >> immediately admitted as two states. There is no justification for > > >> further delay, and the advisability of making the four territories > into > > >> two states has been clearly established. ---Theodore Roosevelt. > > >> > > >> On 10/20/2011 10:55 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > > >>> I never knew that at the time of the debate over admitting Oklahoma > and > > >>> Sequoyah as separate states or a single state, there was also talk of > > >>> combining Arizona and New Mexico territories as one state. Seems that > > >>> some of the congress critters of the day thought that was a good > idea. > > >>> Not a very popular idea back in those two territories. > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. > > Liberty is a well-armed lamb." - Benjamin Franklin - > > > > _ _... ..._ _ > > _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Tschüß, > Gail > "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter > and those who matter don't mind." > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Tschüß, Gail "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    10/20/2011 09:33:17
    1. Re: [TTTP] Learned something
    2. donkelly

    3. Not my grandfather Henry Pruitt apparently as he according to grandma was a workaholic, but his Pruitt brothers and counsins were a rowdy bunch around Ardmore and locals. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 6:34:33 PM Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something Thackerville is Chickasaw. The Loves and Stewarts were from Thackerville. Off the top of my head, but if it is not Garvin Co. it is probably Love Co. g On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Billie Walsh <[email protected]> wrote: > For the most part whites were not allowed to "settle" in Indian > Territory by law. They could visit but they weren't allowed to live > there unless they had a tie to the Indians, like married to an Indian > woman/man. The Chickasaw were one of the "Five Civilized Tribes". I > don't know to much of the Chickasaw history, but I assume it parallels > the Cherokee fairly well. Probably by the late 1800's there were a lot > of very well [ college ] educated people in the nation. About the only > thing they lacked was a written language of their own. The Cherokee were > the only ones I know of that did. > > If she was born in the Chickasaw nation it's very probable she was > Chickasaw. But, there is a chance she could have been Choctaw, Cherokee > or any other tribe. There are instances of someone from one nation > living in another. Also many instances of, say, a Choctaw marrying a > Chickasaw. > > On 10/20/2011 05:52 PM, donkelly wrote: > > Also of interest is the 1895 map of the area. There were an astounding > number of labeled towns in the Chickasas Nation. > > > > Can I assume that most of those towns were built by Indians, OR did the > Indians allow white people to come in and build the towns? > > > > don > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "donkelly"<[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 3:37:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > Mom was born outside the nearest fair size town north of Texas. That > would be the closest Indian territory to the border with Texas. Mom didn't > mention Cherokee, but she did often mention Chickasas. > > > > don > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:45:51 PM > > Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > > > > Henry may not have been part Indian. From my reading it's pretty obvious > > that by 1900 it was pretty hard to find a lot of full blood Cherokees. I > > don't know that much about the other four "civilized tribes" [ or other > > nations either ], but the Cherokees were mostly mixed blood. I suspect > > it was very common by 1900 to be of mixed blood in most tribes/nations. > > Remember also that during that time it was very unfashionable to be > > "Indian". Many that could pass as white preferred not to admit Indian > > blood. Vehemently denied it in fact. Large numbers of mixed blood, as > > well as full blood, people denied their heritage and avoided the Dawes > > Commission. > > > > On 10/20/2011 03:48 PM, donkelly wrote: > >> My mother Velma Gladys Pruitt was born in Oklahoma 1908 just after > statehood. She always said it was Indian territory, and though grandma > Pruitt was part Indian, no evidence has been presented to show that her > husband Henry Pruitt from Kentucky was part Indian. Another family mystery. > >> > >> don > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Billie Walsh"<[email protected]> > >> To: [email protected] > >> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:40:24 PM > >> Subject: Re: [TTTP] Learned something > >> > >> December of 1905: > >> > >> I recommend that Indian Territory and Oklahoma be admitted as one state > >> and that New Mexico and Arizona be admitted as one state. There is no > >> obligation upon, us to treat territorial subdivisions. of convenience > >> only, as binding us on the question of admission to statehood. Nothing > >> has taken up more time in the congress during the past few years than > >> the question as to the statehood to be granted to the four territories > >> above mentioned, and after careful consideration of all that has been > >> developed in the discussion of the question, I recommend that they be > >> immediately admitted as two states. There is no justification for > >> further delay, and the advisability of making the four territories into > >> two states has been clearly established. ---Theodore Roosevelt. > >> > >> On 10/20/2011 10:55 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > >>> I never knew that at the time of the debate over admitting Oklahoma and > >>> Sequoyah as separate states or a single state, there was also talk of > >>> combining Arizona and New Mexico territories as one state. Seems that > >>> some of the congress critters of the day thought that was a good idea. > >>> Not a very popular idea back in those two territories. > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > > -- > > "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. > Liberty is a well-armed lamb." - Benjamin Franklin - > > _ _... ..._ _ > _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Tschüß, Gail "Be who you are and say what you want because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    10/20/2011 08:03:25