Hi Bill, I've fwded your msg to the Tryon List. All members, including Vicki and Dan will see it. If Dan doesn't already have the data, he will likely get back to you, gently place you up against the wall, and brain-drain you for everything you might know about the sources for this tidbit. Be prepared! Don PS: My copy of TMG3 just landed so it may be awhile before I re-surface. As Tim was wont to say, "Merry Xmas everyone!" -- Donald Edric TRYON....Son of Clarence L of Edric M of Clarence E 89 Hillside Rd.......Son of Andrew Jackson of Simeon II of Simeon Albert Bridge, NS...Son of James of Ziba of William of Wethersfield CANADA B0A 1P0...Son of William of Bibury, Gloucestershire, Eng 902-567-2633.....Descendant of William TRIOEN of Wulverghem, Flanders